Baby Shiloh meets Baby Kingston!!!!

2nd?

awwww Little Shiloh has a playmate!!!

Burdened with an over-abundance today, aren’t we?

I think that’s just adorable.

why did they meet? any1 know?

Jen could’ve had more fame and adoration just by having a kid! It coulnot have been a better time with all of these hollywood moms. All of them look great and are glowing-Too bad she didn’t realize it-

It looks like Brad, got custody of Gavin/Gwen’s friendship, when he and Jen got divorced.I would have love to been a fly on the wall in Brad/Angie’s home this past weekend! This is where they had Maddox’s fourth Bday party at.KEEP ON ROCKIN BAMZS!

#12 You know I’ve thought the same thing…but then again it doesn’t matter if a baby was or came along it they were going seperate ways then no baby can fix it. Yes, I think she would have gotten the Fame/Focus that she wants but in the end it would have ended up like her parents b/c she needs to heal herself first and Brad needs to heal himself…whatever problem he has or had. All of that happiness would have been surface happiness. Someone said months ago (or even quoted brad to say)about how it was more than just the baby thing but it was multiple things. Can you image having a mother with the insecurities, doubts, etc that’s been said she has…it would have been another AYates deal. I think she did the right thing, if she wasn’t ready for kids don’t force it b/c the end would have only lead to destruction…don’t you think?JMO…of course i could be reading too much into it.

Love both couples !!!, I´m glad that they are friends..but I want to see better photos of Angie and Brad …

That’s Brad’s house in Santa Barbara. Brad has a bunch of homes. I know Gavin and Brad have been friends for years but I don’t think Aniston is friends with Stefani. I think it was more like boyfriend/husband were friends therefore you know each other by default.I’ve never, ever seen pics of Stefani with Aniston and her tribe and Aniston didn’t go to any of Gwen’s babyshowers

Thanks Jared. :D

YES! That is Brad’s house in Santa Barbara. He owns a home in Malibu, a compound of homes in Los Feliz and this place in Santa Barbara

# 20 | Boston Babe — Are you kidding? If you notice, Jennifer’s friends are all plain looking and virtual nobodies. Gwen is too cute and too famous. For those of you who have kids, you know what I am talking about. Things change between girlfriends once one gets married and the other one does not. The same happens between friends when a child comes into the picture. Your priorities and concerns change. Even if Gwen had been Jen’s friend, which I doubt, now the focus of her attention is her child and that is what she will be wanting to talk about . Only another mother will be as interested in the subject. Someone who has no kids will be clueless and bored. Notice that though there are so called reports of Jen and Courtney getting together, there are never any photos to document it.

#26Do you think that Brad has any friends who are nobody’s? Or does he only associate with people in the business? Somehow I like the idea that JA has friends who are nobody’s. It shows that she keeps old friends even if she is famous.

Brad has friends. I think non famous ones. But its easier to have people that know what the business is :) AJ has her group of friends. People seem to think if she is not photgraphed with her own little group like that ex wife of Brad’s she must be lonely. I’ve seen her with female friends. Her BFF’s , so she has her group for sure. They are less "girlly girl" as Brad’s exwife.. As for JA. My response… JA who? :P

^^^^^^^ sorry for the spelling errors.

BAMZS fan should not venture to the darkside(JA thread) Stay on this thread where you are among friends and where those Female First girls won’t find you. May the force be with you.

# 26 & #30Do you think then that doctor’s should only hang with doctors, and famous people only with famous, and nobody’s with nobody’s as it’s easier if they in the same class?I think the idea of them getting together is fine. However I resent anyone’s friends being called nobody’s. In North America we should live life with the attitude that every life is precious and every person is important. There should be not such thing as a nobody!

man…now i know where all the bamzsers are….lol…thanks jared for the pics and news…i hope we can get pics of their 4th of july party …lol…just wishing…happy 4th of july to all fellow bamzsers!! have a great day!!

#37AJ can run circles around you. If you equate 5 females who are all up in your business something to brag about, then go ahead. Sort of high school to talk about how many bestest girl friends you got. I bet JA whould trade all those girlfriends in a new york minute to have BP back. Good loving verus 5 catty friends - hmm let me think.

# 37 | Yeah right aaawww….another jealous shithead… hey miserable fug…take off your smelly panty from your fat ass tie it to your face and hang yourself in front of your door to show the end of your miserable life….pathetic loser!!

Well I see Bamzs is well.First the trolls complain Brad and Angelina don’t have friends,now they want to complain that the friend’s are in the "BUSINESS."How petty!!!!Stop being stuck in the past,move forward.

Hey you guys.. i made a new video.. this one is not brad or angelina related but it is about their causes.tell me what you thinkhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbJfOhyq3_Q

#47 Jeannified,that was a tabloid story.

how cute! i wonder if there’s any matchmaking going on?

These pictures just go to show you that Brad and Angie are just living their lives and being a family. Like the Newsweek article implied, Brad isn’t letting the paps get him down, and like Angie told Ann Curry, they just live their lives and be in the moment with each other. AJ is getting to know Brad’s friends, and they are both adapting gracefully, it would appear. I really think they have what it takes to last a very long time together. Even in these tiny little pictures, they just seem content.

# 52 | dragonfly ——————yep ur right . Even in these tiny little pictures, they just seem contentangie 4 llife!!

Hey Jenn, thanks for posting that! That’s so good to now there are those who get what AJ/BP are trying to do.

Jenn thanks for the article.. I know Brad and Angie are way ahead of the pack in my mind.. Tom and Katie number 2? Hmmm, I’m not so sure about that..

okay suzie you are not a fan of either of them so stop coming on this thread.this is brad & aj thread ok?X enjoying having sex with vince vaugh?u must be kidding,he is the biggest slob in HW.well they are match anyway,they both in looks,not very talented,not internationally famous and both are boring.brad is way way way hotter than vince!i know aniston is just trying to be happy around vince bec. i havent heard any famous men wanted to date her bec she is VERY FUGLY!

# 20 | Boston Babe –I should have added that I agreed with you. # 36 | suzie - By my reference to "nobodies" I was alluding to Jennifer’s reputation as being manipulative , ambitious and extremely insecure. She does not foster any relationships with anyone who has more talent, fame or looks. Look at Selma Hayek and Penelope Cruz. Neither is intimidated by the beauty or talent of the other. Take note of the "friends" that Jennifer is photographed with at any time. She is always the prettiest. You can’t count Courtney. There are enough accounts by former "friends" out there that do not paint a pretty picture about Jennifer’s friendship skills or how giving she is to her friends. She is more the use and discard type of friend. Since she is so into the fame and power aspect of being a celebrity, then it stands to reason that she will attract those kind of people. After all that is part of the game in Hollywood networking.

I think thats super cool, Angelina Jolie and Gwen Stefani are just one of the most beautiful women in Hollywood w/ probably the most gorgeous children. They should become the new celebrity friends. They both seem to have great a personality and strong character, but most importantly they seem real fun to hang out with.

Sorry #59 have to agree with Suzie. Aniston would never take Brad back now. I also don’t think that she ever was that crazy about him. She said that he wasn’t the love of her life so why would she want him back now? I think honestly that most of the posters on this board are more in love with Pitt than she was. I can never undersand why the posters on this board think that Aniston is so sad for losing Pitt? She didn’t want him!!! She easily could have kept Brad right until she filed for divorce by just having a baby. Don’t forget she filed he didn’t. She was the one who didn’t want the marriage anymore and did something about it. Just enjoy your couple and don’t worry about Aniston and how in you sad little minds you think she is pinning the huge loss that is Brad. She’s got everything she ever wanted.

Glad to see new threads for Brad & Angelina! I think Gwen & Gavin still friends with Brad so that does not mean they have to snub Brad too even if he divorced with the X. A lot of people who met Angelina said she is very approachable & personable. I think being honest & upfront sometimes can misinterpret your private llife. Well do you hear the X saying things about her private life. No way! And people assumed JA is an angel. PUHLEASE!

# 28 | suzie++++++++++++Pfffft. Puh-leeze. She keeps her "nobody" friends around because it makes her feel important! That chick has all the self-esteem of a dead gnat. She’ll do anything she can to make herself look more important and more famous. That’s why I found her role in FWM to be so freaking hilarious. She played the poor friend of a bunch of rich ******* and in real life she’s the rich ***** who keeps her poor friends around to make herself look and feel important. I’m sure the irony was lost on her, too.

#71 / FrenchyLol…from your mouth…keyboard to God’s ears. Is it weird that we are matchmaking babies and toddlers?

Ahhh…It was so peaceful for a few days. I guess I was being naive to think it would last. Oh well…let’s duke it out *******. That maniston looks like a grandma in her thread. HA! Looks like a grandma and yet that dried up hag has no kids. lmao.

Play dates!!! yahhhhh, looks like TomKat has missed out on this one, oh may-be next week he will get invited to Brads play date centre, I wounder if I could get invited?

Did you all read this? It’s amazing. Maybe there’s hope for X’s brain to do the same. Congrats to this guy’s family though and of course him. Hope he recovers fully. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++AP NewsUpdated: 38 minutes agoDoctors have their first proof that a man who was barely conscious for nearly 20 years regained speech and movement because his brain spontaneously rewired itself by growing tiny new nerve connections to replace the ones sheared apart in a car crash.

What I find funny about this whole thing is the fact that people are commenting on this situation as if they actually know anything about what’s going on. All we (the public) know about these people is what they (and the tabloids) let us see. None of you presumably know these people, so you don’t actually know what cause the split etc. I for one like AJ and JA - they’re both amazing, talented, beautiful women. Let it go people! I think it’s naturally that Rossdale-Stefani’s and the Jolie-Pitt’s would get together for a "play date" - their children are the same age and the parents (presumably) move in the same circles.

i made a new video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FtCEONccfnwangie 4 life!

Honestly Aniston fans and Pitt/Jolie fans are all of the same ink. # 55 | suzie++++++++++++Uh…hopefully you meant "ilk" and not "ink" because I think X fans are more like pink ink and BAMZS fans are more like blue and black ink. You know…pink ink…you don’t see/use it everyday nor would you want to. Blue or black ink? Not only do you use it every day, but you can’t really live without it.

AJ and Gwen had their babies one day apart and they both had C-section. Nice thing they got together to compare notes. Good for their men too.

So sweet to see such pretty pictures of BAMZS.Sigh…now I can go away knowing they are A FINE.Was worrried a wee bit. LOLLong live BAMZS.p.s. Jenniaston fans - please don’t post here. Enough of your idol -the epitome of insecure women.

# 66 | A Jen fan You’re right - X didn’t want Brad. She wanted his name and his cache and the entree being his wife gave her. ***** is selfish and insecure and talentless. You’re deluding yourself that she could’ve kept BP right up until the end by having a baby, too. The man wasn’t having sex with her. You do understand that that’s a key component to having babies, don’t you?

aw, they can swap surgery stories!

It’s kinda nice to know that right about the same time last year, Brad and Gavin were handling business very WELL. Ma Men!!!! both men have similarites, they love their women, kids, are very independent - do their own thing, have strong creative hot women. It’s cool that they are family oriented, they are hollywood A-listers but they put family first. They will continue to just be, with or without the razzi’s

#90Passing Through were you in the hotel room with them on their last vacation? Has either one said when they stopped having sex? Please stop making such stupid comments! Like you know either one of them and when they had sex. The posters here believe that Brad didn’t cheat and worked very hard to keep his marriage together. Thus, Aniston was the one who decided to end the marriage. Right?And posters agree that if Aniston would have had a baby they would still be together. Right? Because Brad would never leave the mother of his child. Why do you think that Jolie had a child so quick. Brad was obviously very important to her. Jen didn’t want Brad. Get that through your head! She divorced him not the other way around. Once the separation was filed Brad took the next best thing he could find. Obviously they were not connected before the separtion (as BAMZ fans like to point out) so Brad went into a rebound relationship. #91 BAMZ stick to facts. Since when. If you are going by real interviews Brad said kids were not an issue between him and Jen. Obviously a fact you ignore. Angie also said marriage was not for you. Another fact some fans tend to ignore as they think they are secretly married. The BAMZ fans posting here make stuff up in their heads some of the stuff posted by them makes me think they are using a computer in a mental ward somewhere. Really they live in a fansty world most of the time.

# 95 |Well said. Bravo!

#71Maddox is the coolest. His smile can melt a heart of stone. My sister always says that Angie stole Brad (I know…I’m still trying to work on her) but she always thought that Maddox was the cutest thing she had every seen when it was just Angie and him. I think John Travolta’s daughter is beautiful but I wouldn’t want my little guy getting anywhere near that Scientology nonsense ;)It just came to me today that Brad was the voice of Sinbad (the Disney movie)…I wonder if Mad has seen it? He must really be in heaven with his wonderful dad…soon all of the kids will be old enough to watch Sinbad and Shark Tale and be so amazed that their parents are animated…Also, I think Brad doing that movie shows that he really has had such a heart for children for years and years…and FINALLY its happened!

All u Angie haters have 2 back off why would y’all come here if u knew that this isnt a haters site. you need 2 go to your own website then complain about her there -Oops! i forgot that y’all didnt have no website of your own 2 complain on. then i guess u guys just need 2 shut yo mouths and get over it.

#96 A Jen Fan,Why don’t you go to the Jen thread?You claim Jen didn’t want Brad so why are you still here bitching?I don’t agree with your assessment because if that was the case why did Miss JenJen spend the past year complaining to every magazine that would listen?That would make her oh what a liar or a media *****,so which one is it?Jen cried in her VF article that she didn’t understand what went wrong and that she loved Brad and didn’t want the seperation,so is she lying then?

I think this is so cute, cause Kingston and Shiloh are a day apart, and now they are meeting for playdate

I would love to see some pics of recent hollybabes all togeather by Ann Geddes..

FUN FACT …… BLAST FROM THE PAST.October 7, 2002 - Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have been voted the celebrities with the sexiest lips by the Chester Cosmetic Dental Centre. Who wouldve thought…..

Yes I loved that tee-shirt, well the more babes the better,

# 110 | Moi Jade | - I know right, and the people with the sexiest lips are not kissing each other every day

Truely kristine it is what most women want a family , heart can grow so much more around children , I wonder if Jen can her her uterus screaming yet!! ( let me do what I am made for please!!) its good for woman to have at lest one,

# 111 | kristine - well said. money does not gaurantee happiness. It’s an age old saying but unfortuanately some still believe that money is the ends to all means.

# 115 | AlexanderinaI read it over at dlisted. Some one claims to have some insider info on the demise of the golden couple. At one point he/she said Brad & Angie spent the weekend in Vegas over Oscar 2005 weekend. Now I realize anybody and their uncle can claim to have insider info but I like save these so-called insider accounts to see if any of them pan out later on. Everything he/she says is pretty generic and could be created by reading the tabs but the Vegas piece caught my eye. Its just one rumor I haven’t heard of. I’ll go get it and bring it over here. BRB

# 115 | AlexanderinaOkay. This is the story. heh. My college roommate worked at ABC wardrobe and specifically on the tv show Alias. She left to go work at NBC and the last two seasons of Friends.When Brad went to film Troy in 2003 the marriage was already having problems/issues. She never saw him, wouldn’t go to see him, they had constant arguments over the house in Beverly Hills and other areas. She promised him that she wouldn’t do a 9th season of Friends and that they would concentrate on starting a family. Then she signed siting that she owed the others. He was upset. The writers wrote in the Ross and Rachel baby storyline specifically for her. Aniston then signed for the final season of Friends without telling him. She put the nail in her own coffin.Pitt blew his achilles and asked Aniston for a seperation. It just was not working. She agreed but asked him to hold off until Friends was over. She couldn’t deal with the end of the show and her marriage. She couldn’t afford the publicity overshadowing the final season. He agreed. They were living like roommates. But Pitt continued to discuss he want of family which pissed Aniston off because she was being portrayed in the tabloids as not wanting children (even though, this is really true. she wanted career) . Aniston felt Pitt was not supportive of her in this respect because he continued to discuss it. January 2004 rolls around he meets Angelina.Cannes happens and he has PR for Troy so they can’t afford the seperation announcement then either. It was all a facade to keep it together until Troy is released.Aniston went to London to film Derailed. Pitt wanted to announce the seperation. Aniston pulls a last minute I’ll have your baby b.s. (fight in hotel) too little, too late. They’re going to announce then her therapist dies unexpectedly. It’s postponed again because she can’t deal-AGAIN. Now it’s the holiday’sand they decide to announce after Christmas. The holiday with CC and DA is planned to iron out agreements about money, property, how to announce, etc. They announce in Jan-05. She asks to be the one who files as he’s the one who wanted out.He honors his commitment to throwing her a b/d party but that’s about it. He starts dating Angelina in Feb-05 They go to Las Vegas together Oscar weekend. Then Kenya happens and Aniston is beyond pissed because while she knew how he felt about Angelina her ego and bitterness gets in the way.

(((((FIC ALERT)))))on the BAMZ Family Photo thread. click on my name to get there.this one’s for you COLD HARD MATH!

#102 just so you know,brad n jenn were set up by their managers on a blind date. that is how they met. stop making up bullshit to make jennifer bad. she really doesn’t need help with that. yes, i am a bramz fan. just hate when ppl use made up stories as the truth.

He starts dating Angelina in Feb-05 They go to Las Vegas together Oscar weekend. # 122 | Maniston================Not true.The Oscars that year were on February 27th. Brad was with Jennifer at 2 Oscar parties one on Friday the 25th & one on Saturday the 26th. And Angelina was in Paris, France at her Vanity Fair photo shoot on Oscar night, the 27th.I don’t think Brad & Angelina started dating until mid-March when they got back together to reshoot the end of M&MS.

# 122 | Maniston | - Thanks Maniston, wow the marriage was over for a while and even though he wasn’t happy and wanted he still stayed in that relationship to help her out, what a good man. He is really a good person and a good man

Hello people, the Vegas thing isn’t true! read #128

# 132 | Fact CheckerThanks fact checker. I’ll post the other insider story and you can check this one too. BRB

# 132 | Fact Checker | - Thanks

# 122 Maniston–I believe every word of what you posted; it has the absolute ring of truth to it. I’ve read that the Rachel baby storyline was written specifically for her. And I firmly believe the baby issue was a huge component to their problems and that Brad was too much of a gentleman to nail her on it publicly. Something else you mentioned….I always thought it was hilarious that they filmed Derailed in London because it is supposed to take place on a Chicago commuter train. Now, I have been on the London trains and they bear to resemblance WHATSOEVER to the Chicago Metra commuter trains. Any other Chicago commuters here? I commuted for years–my husband still does, every day–and the idea of a sexy mysterious commuter romance on Metra is just too hysterical for words. More likely people are using nail clippers, screaming on their cell phones or snoring while the automated conductor blares "Cicero next stop, CICERO." Not conducive to any hot nookie. Too funny!

TESTING

man what a hot pair of parents and an adorable set of kids enjoying a lovely day on the beach. santa barbara beaches are usually pretty nice. i know most of us can’t help looking at their pictures, but i wouldn’t mind just a simple report of the event instead of being hounded like that.Gavin is a somebody, and it’d be cool if Bush put out another album. if not, maybe he’ll try to do some more acting.anyone know how Brad and Gavin became friends in the first place? or maybe it was just the whole run in the same circles thing.

#139 Maniston,I believe what Marisa said to be true.I also believe that X used the divorce to pimp her movie career.#142 jjoy,I for one really don’t like to talk about X,but every once in a while I slip(shame on me)I think we should ignore the trolls was well.

Moi Jade, I have a question for you, since you are a midwife. Could it be that they found out they were pregnant just before they had that bike outing in Calgary (Sept 27 2005)? I have a feeling they did by the way BP looked at AJ in one of the pictures. So tender. I keep thinking they found out, then BP said: "let’s go out and have a photo shoot with the paps for souvenir". LOL

# 147 | malaya Do tell more. Do you remember where you read the piece about Angie and Maddox in Vegas?

Found it! February 14, 2005 - The Las Vegas Review Journal reports Angelina Jolie, with son Maddox, was spotted spending a lot of quality time in the Luxor’s Games of the Gods arcade area over the weekend. Interesting! Where was Brad around this time?

#150 Maniston———-I remember that now. I read she and Madd were in Vegas but not Brad, I recall something about getting away from the paps. that were bothering her. So she took a plane to Vegas, flew on her own , not sure. :)

#146 I don’t think Brad and Angie go out looking for paps. They are just living their lives and paps are the ones looking for them to make money. I don’t think she would have known she was pregnant by Sept. 27 either.

I just realized something. J. Maniston’s birthday is February 11th. When did Brad throw her the birthday party?

Found it! February 14, 2005 - The Las Vegas Review Journal reports Angelina Jolie, with son Maddox, was spotted spending a lot of quality time in the Luxor’s Games of the Gods arcade area over the weekend. Interesting! Where was Brad around this time? # 150 | Maniston=================Brad was at Jennifer’s birthday party that weekend in California.

I agree with some of you…and although I said before that I don´t like and I don´t want to talk about the X I found this on perezhilton and I think is funny:the X i also known as:ManistonChinniferTranistonCan’t Keep A ManistonVennifer LostChinnifer TranistonChinnifer Maniston Can’t Keep A ManistonFaker McfakersonLeather Skin Having FriendCrows Feet DivaTan Maniston FuglistonAdam’s AppleBengay JennayCheap TanWrinkleston Magee

#155 Maniston,I can’t help you with Feb 11,but I really feel this story is crap.The media was following this couple around like crazy.I truly believe they did not hook up untill April.

Thanks JJ for the pictures.X eat your cold heart out the Pitts have company and they enjoying their baby Shiloh and Kingston’s first play date.Now who said ANGIE never dresses little Z in pink? shame on you sour grapes people.

Regarding where Brad was the weekend of Feb 11, 2005.Isnèt that when Brad got to meet Angie father at the Oscar Party. The VFair party which Brad and Jen attended. I think People posted this story on their site.That Brad threw Jen a birthday party the weekend before and that they both showed up at this Oscar party

Alright, lets forget about the weekend of February 11th for now. How about Marisa’s story? Anyone find any inconsitency?

Tabloids can tell all the lies in the world to sell their tabloids and haters can hate but the truth is that Brad and Angie did not get together until they were spotted in Africa. Angie was on humanitarian tour when Brad and Jen announced their separation. She said she learnt about the separation in the news when she came back form the trip. Brad moving on from his marriage was what Jen could not deal with and the whole Angie stole her man story is not true.

# 164 | MedullaHey fellow New Yorker, how are you? Have been too busy…Happy July 4th to you–we will probably stroll to the river tomorrow evening :)

I wonder who called Who after the separation, brad or angie.i say brad, i bet angie made him wait for few days.what do you guys think?

I just read an article in the Travel section of the LA Times, about Josephine Baker, the Black jazz age diva. They were talking about the chateau she used to live in the Dordogne, France, with her "rainbow family" of 12 kids from all around the world. "The nursery had a row of diminutive beds, and the children were raised speaking the languages and worshiping in the religions of the countries from which they came". And they said she was born on June 3rd (year?). Isn’t that spooky?

BTW wasn’t there a rumor early on Stefani was "giving advice" to JenJen? Did she switch camps? When I read it first I didn’t even know who she was!http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/46862004.htm

# 126 | sweet pea Actually it was Jennifer who initiated it through Huvane. I do not buy the Las Vegas scenario … I can’t see either of them choosing Las Vegas as a destination. That is more Jen And Vince or Britney and Fed. Look, Brad did everything he could to honor his marriage commitment even after meeting Angie. Did Jen want to end it ? Of course not , but only on her terms. Jennifer as her fans know her, is a product of media manipulation. She is someone who learned from her father’s experience how to use the Hollywood mechanics to her benefit. We all have seen that it is not the most talented that always gets the contract or the part. People think it was Angelina that made Brad draw the line in the sand but in reality it definitely was Mad. I truly think B. fell in love with Maddox before he fell in love with Angie. We are used to talk about the biological clock for women. But men also have something similar. I have not kept up with how old most of you are but there are certain stages or passages that we all go through psychologically as well a biologically. . It is called maturity . Men do go through a change of life" like women do. Specially when they get to their 40’s. They start thinking outside themselves. They want substance in their life. They want home, wife, kids. It is a part of growing up. It is also a part of falling in love and marriage. As I have shared before, I was a Brad fan before most of you had ever heard of him. It chaps my ass to observe a decent individual be crucified bgy members of the media with their own agenda just to gain numbers in readership.

# 174 I don’t think they had to call each other. Work brought them together again. They had to do the reshoot for MAMS.

# 174 | somalianYes absolutely. Brad became a free man after separation.

Somalian: I agree with you:Brad called her first.Maniston: really?, she met him? OMG…I think Brad and Angie began their relationship around late march….but who knows…the important thing is that they are together!!! # 177 | Andrómeda Andromeda, wouldn’t it be funny, when brad called and anjie picked up, and she woud be like"you had me at Hello"awwwwwwwwww

# 183 | malayasomebody did not follow the script they both signed off to. And we know who. My question is why the change of heart? Did she suddenly got the bright (short sighted) idea she could use the Pity Party to market her movie and Brad let her have it?Or being *replaced* so quickly and realizing her A-list status on red carpet was only through Brad, she suddenly was burned by her hurt ego…

HEY GUYS…SORRY FOR THE SHOUTING…LOL…PAGING ESTELLE….FANFIC ALERT FROM GITANE AND COLD HARD MATH AT BP’S HOUSE!!!

#175 Maniston,Yes I remember,her ex husband is friends with the Pitt’s.She gave some juicey little tidbits.

Somalian: yes…can you picture the begining of the relationship?…Brad calling Angie…to tell her that he is alone !!!Another thing Somalia: sorry I didn´t uderstand what you told me in post 179….if is it about a mistake in the address of the link: Sorry…

Anyone know where his fine ass was that weekend? # 155 | Maniston |————————————————–Hey Maniston, his fine ass was with me lol, yeah I wish lol

# 160 | Andrómeda | - LMAO

Somalian: sorry, I just saw that pic about the cat…is very funny….

SORRY….GITANE’S FICS ARE IN BAMZS FAMILY PHOTO…

Pix of Brad and Mad herehttp://photo.wenn.com/index.php?ref=pitt%20040706&session_id=c78ae087c274afcaa2265c4da95c5606 # 191 | ntt *****A BIG thanks to ntt for the link****

Not that he’s a good man he’s a good business man. He knew the split/divorce from "AS" as they call her would ruin the Troy film, now that really would have sucked. You know how much it cost to get that film made? And if he would have done it around friend and when her doctor died he really would have been seen in the wrong light. Like Lainey says nothing in HW happens accidentially.Of course for a BP fan and someone who never understood why he marrried X in the first place…it wouldn’t matter to me. Can you imagine the pity party if he would have done it then?

Maddox is so cute on his own ATV! Wasn’t it about the same time last year when Brad was seen with Maddox on a dirt bike in England?

# 205 | Maniston | - lol, yeah I am so dreaming, maybe in my other life huh lol

Isn’t it strange that we remain so interested in the details of how and when they became attracted, knew it, fought it, had secret crushes, started dating, etc. Even though I know in my heart Angelina was absolutely telling the truth when she said she would not sleep with a married man, and even though I believe Brad Pitt is so honorable he, too, would not stoop to that kind of behavior, I can’t let the intrigue and "what if?" angles alone. I am as fixated now as I was a year ago. If EVER Brad and Angelina want to collaborate on a huge, huge fund-raiser for charity, all they need to do is write a little book(pictures would be a big plus but not necessary)titled "Brangelina–Our Story." What do you guys think? Would we buy it? They could mark it up to $100.00 and I know I would, in a heartbeat. # 203 | AddictedtoBAMZs ***Me to, short of my life savings.lol****

sweetpea you were right! i googled brad and jennifer and this is what i found out at marriage.about.com brad and jennifer met on a blind date set up by their agents in1998. does it even matter. why are we talking about brad and jenn’s relationship anyways?

# 211 | ANISTON THE HAG! | - Thank you and Happy 4th of July to all my fellow Americans on this board as well

well i’m going to bed to get my groove on. Happy 4th july to American BAMZS.Pease,love,respect…..is it wrong of me to wish to **be** brad’s underwear?hmmmmmmmm

AddictedtoBAAMZS #20- I would definitely buy the book & I hope the proceed will go to charity. If they will do it they should annouce it way ahead so we can save our hard earned $$ so we can all buy it. I will do my best to support Brad & Angelina. I’ve never done this much to any celebrities before. I am so so in love with this family. And supporting/buying their movies,DVDs, charities are some of the ways to show my admiration. I do not know what the other fans feel but this is how I fell towards them.

I want to be Brad’s ATV. He can ride me all day and all night long. What? TMI # 205 | ManistonRotflmao….How do you come up with these oneliners? You kill me!

#221 Yes, I counted at least 4 people: 2 adult and 2 children. I do not think the children are Mad and Z because Z is too young to ride ATV alone.So it seems there is another family.

# 188 | Be sane | July 4, 2006 12:50 AMJMHO - I think JA thought that the feelings Brad had for AJ is fleeting and she thought its something that wouldn’t last. With all her insecurities, she’d rather be viewed as the one who dumped Brad Pitt but I think Brad told her that she’d better file the papers and if she doesn’t he will. I think she was negotiating for a delay in the filing and waited after the Oscars. then Kenya happened and she said she shocked and I think not because Brad & AJ were seen together but I think it was because Maddox was in the picture too and she knew it was something serious since a child is involved. So yeah, I can sort of understand why she said she was shocked. She was stunned because what Brad told her in earnest she didn’t take too seriously. With a child in the picture people will now begin to entertain uncomfortble questions that might put her in a bad light - the sort that put credence to the talks that had been around for years that children is a major issue on their marital woes.

# 226 | Andrómeda | - Who do you think the other people are?

Then again…I WASN’T ******* MARRIED TO BRAD PITT! For him…I’d have made an exception. They were together almost 7 years…she should’ve been preggers 6 of those. X is just a big fat idiot. End of story. # 230 | Passing Through |————————————————–lmao, but ITA

Do you all think Matt Damon & wife with their kids Isabella will be the next playmate for Shiloh? I know Brad will see Matt mid-July for the Ocean 13 production. I can’t wait to see Angelina & the kids visiting the set. Also, Casey Affleck got a baby too & he’ll be at the Ocean 13 too, right? I bet George Clooney is contemplating to get a baby for himself too. LOL # 232 | ANISTON THE HAG! | ————————————————–I don’t know, but I think Ben and Jennifer Garner’s baby Violet would definitely be a play date for Matt and Luciana’s baby Isabella

# 122 | Maniston Maniston - I think some of that account rings true, but they could’ve easily gotten it from tab sources. Plus, Lainey had a lot of that info on her site. The only thing that doesn’t jibe is putting B/A together in Feb ‘05. From all the stories and rumors I’ve seen they didn’t see each other from the end of M&MS shoot in Oct 2004 until the reshoots in March 2005….Unless you count that long-distance bootie-phone-sex call that X overheard. Sorry…couldn’t help myself…

#203…I’ve been saying that one for the longest…like a photo album of their travels, family photos, homes, kids rooms etc…I would buy it in a heartbeat.Whatever happened to the W Mag second edition thing we were talking about where Mr. Klein would have all the photos of the shoot…is that cancelled or what?

Yay! 2 new threads for BAMZS! Thanks Jared, you really are very nice to us BAMZS fans. We are really grateful. Hope we will see more of this playtime with the kids. Surely Gwen & Angelina’s maternal instinct really in their blood now. Angie got more experience…she’s been a mother to Maddox for over 4 years now. The POWER COUPLE is the best!

Alright guys, after reading the fics i am beat and calling it a day!Good night everyone and Happy 4th! :) :) :)Love Krista

Its interesting that Gwen Stefani actually auditioned for the part of Jane smith in MMS when Nicole backed out. In her interview she said she wanted the part so much and was disappointed she didnt get it. So, Brad did not actually backed her. Good thing, otherwise he wouldnt have gotten Angie.

# 236 | COLD HARD MATH | - Great job, love it. Keep them coming, I can’t wait for the next one :)

# 174 | somalian Maybe it’s just me, but I always thought the one thing people DO agree on is that Brad did the chasing after he shook off X’s manacles. Angie was running in the other direction so that Maddox didn’t hit by the blowback of the **** hitting the fan. Brad ran her to ground eventually. Okay…actually I think it was her LUST for Brad’s body that ran her to ground…but still…he chased, she ran, he caught her.

#244 andromeda, yeah i read in Gwen’s mag interviews, she auditioned for the Jane smith part. I just cant remember what mag was that.

LOL at the supposed "inside" knowledge of when Brad and Jen split. That story has more holes than a slice of swiss cheese. a repoter for in 2004 (AFTER Friends ended) interviewed Brad and said that Jen and Brad were baby proofing their house and that Jen was nervous about Brad’s pointy furniture. They did NOT separate in 2004 like you claim. get your facts straight. I don’t hate Jolie but the truth is that something did happen between Brangelina while he was still married. For your "inside" story there are about a dozen more from people who work at 20th century fox AND those who know ange that say that they DID have something going on while Jen was clueless back at home. Stop making **** up. it’s pathetic.

LOL at the supposed "inside" knowledge of when Brad and Jen split. That story has more holes than a slice of swiss cheese. a repoter for in 2004 (AFTER Friends ended) interviewed Brad and said that Jen and Brad were baby proofing their house and that Jen was nervous about Brad’s pointy furniture. They did NOT separate in 2004 like you claim. get your facts straight. I don’t hate Jolie but the truth is that something did happen between Brangelina while he was still married. For your "inside" story there are about a dozen more from people who work at 20th century fox AND those who know ange that say that they DID have something going on while Jen was clueless back at home. Stop making **** up. it’s pathetic.

BTW wasn’t there a rumor early on Stefani was "giving advice" to JenJen? Did she switch camps? When I read it first I didn’t even know who she was!http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/celebrity/46862004.htm # 178 | Be sane ++++++++++++++++Be Sane - First of all…it came from Female First. Secondly, Gwen Stefani was in no position to give advice on getting revenge on your hubby. Her own husband has a teenaged daughter that he told her was his "god daughter". Well, come to find out, she’s actually his daughter daughter! Gavin Rossdale didn’t know for sure that the girl was his kid until after her married Stefani, but he had been telling her all along that there was no way the kid was his…and he lied. And she’s still with his ass and had a kid with him. People in glass houses should not give advice to ugly women too stupid to have Brad Pitt’s babies!

Good Night to my fellow BAMZS Fans, talk to you all manana and once again Happy 4th of July

Why are you "hey liar" posting three times? Odd.

well since all is going to bed I guess I’ll go to EA and try to catch up on the fanfics there. I still have 3 pages…so much sex I have to take breaks to cool off.have a good 4th.

JUST SHUT THE F*CK UP WIL YAH> GO TO FEMAILE FIRST & THEY WILL APPRECIATE YOUR FICTIONAL STORY> SCHIZO!

I AM SO SURE " HEY LIAR" is posting 3 times because he/she is trembling with anger with all those bashing on her/his beloved HAGiston & clicked 3 multiple times. Let this idiot die with anger I do not care. I am sick & tired of these SKANiston fans. I hope they all disappear…just like in the Bermuda Triangle. *****!

hey liar= SATAN!

LMAO! you’re such a nut. Seriously, how many times do you post? before you accuse me of being someone else, this is my first time posting on this thread. but evidently, not yours. i echo the sentiments of many when i say please stop obsessing over a couple that you will never meet and that doesn’t give a rat’s ass about you.

#235 There were no such phone calls. Angie denied that. X would have also talked about it in the VF interview, if that had happened.# 240 | thetruth++++++++++++++++DUH! I know that! It was a joke. That’s why I said, "Sorry…couldn’t help myself…" at the end of the post! WE ALL KNOW the phone sex call is a lie and everybody else knows I was joking.

# 251 | hey liar You’re the one that needs to get your facts straight. Maniston said she got the post on DLISTED’s blog and she copied it over here to see if anyone could debunk what the person was saying. Don’t you X fans ever get tired of having your asses handed to you on a platter on the BAMZS blog? Now buzz off.

# 269 | YolandaPlease stop obsessing over Brangelina fans. People who you will ever meet and don’t give a rat’s ass about you.

# 28 | suzie /Do you think that Brad has any friends who are nobody’s? ***Brad once said that he had a handful of friends that have nothing to do with Hollywood. They were old college friends and new guys he has met through motorcycles. Brad prefers to be one of the guys so hegoes places where paps would not expect him to be. I think if Brad had his way you will never know who his good friends are. Brad isprotective of those he cares for and I don’t think he would use them to make himself look better.Great that BAMZS are having fun.

Good Morning and happy 4th of July! I just got back from La Niguel (1-2 hrs away from San Diego) visiting some relatives. I am glad that I have the comfort of my own things—my comp lol. So many to catch on here? any news from access, et, etc. regarding bamzs?

Brad and Angelina rated #1 power couple!!! see http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27266813.shtml

yeah jen is the one with the sad life. She could be spending time on blog sites speculating about people who don’t give a *** about her.

well i think most people are very bitchy so i think you are all jealous

Maniston, thank you… you are very articulate.

#239: I think Doug Liman only spoke to AJ for the part in Mr. and Mrs. Smith, see below (part of an interview with D. Liman regarding the film).On Angelina Jolie Filling the Role of “Mrs Smith:” "Mr and Mrs Smith" went through a couple of casting phases before Angelina Jolie signed on to the project. At the very beginning of the process, "Mr and Mrs Smith" was a Nicole Kidman/Brad Pitt film. Then it was just Brad Pitt for a split second. And then Angelina Jolie signed on to play Mrs Smith. According to Liman, Jolie was the only actress – other than Kidman – he ever had a conversation with about the film.“The thing is, that really for like, sort of a Hollywood action movie, there are not usually female roles that are this strong. Where, you know, as Brad was saying, she really had to be his equal, if not just slightly better. …And then too this really was a great script, and to star opposite Brad Pitt, there was a lot of interest in the film. But from our side, the only person we ever actually had a conversation with other than Nicole was Angie,” explained Liman.

wowwww…… angelina next prey…. gavin?????howeva, gwen is one tough cookie. she can kick ass!!… and gavin is sooooooo cool…

#292 galadriel This troll is the SAME A-Hole on the Maniston thread saying that Angelina will be after Gavin next. What an idiot! Typical Aniston stupid fans. I am so sure these haters are the ones spreading all these rumors about Brad & Angie since the start of this saga. They said the same thing about Matt Damon when Angie did The Good Sheperd. Nothing happened & the rumor died.

I think Gwen and Angie could be the BFF, they are both so cool and with great mother instinct.

Because AJ is soo gorgous, people/her co-stars tend to fall for her, but she was not interested in them (just too bad for them) and was kind of not obtainable until BP came along. People/tabloid who do not know Aj always said about her stealing other guys, but she did not even try it, they just fell for her as we as fan fell for her. There is something in her that attract people. As GP said AJ is just so captivating.

# 296 |Mangy Fangy|-1."Mr and Mrs Smith" has made 438 million dollars.The "Break up" is not even close.2.The last time i checked box office the "Break up" was at number 8.3.If you read cearfuly the 4th paragraf you will see the exact reasons why the the movie did well.For example:"Was it Jennifer Aniston’s role in the Brangelina saga as the scored ex-wife?Possibly.""she also has an unlikely,and still unacknowleged relationship with co-star Vince Vaughn"Were the hell is her talent?? Let me answer.She dosen’t have any!4.Angelinas movie "Tomb raider" and her role as lara Croft was way more succesful than "the Break up".It made more than 200 million dollars.5.JA dosen’t have to give birth to Namibia or any other place because we all know she choose her career over a family.And when she will pass away all the amount of her fortune will be donated to Hair Salons.And to the A.I.T.C(Addicted in tanning company).Even if she ever manage to have a succesful career it will eventualy faid away as the time goes by.Only true love and commitment such as family can fight the time.And i wish she will find it someway.Otherwise she is completly lost.

Corrections:* in Namibia. *can fight time.

From Fox News? those people have **** for brains..From Fox News>>>>LOL>>>>>give me a break

# 302 |nice property LOL|-Nice try!

why are you people looking at grainy pictures and assuming these are really brangelina or Gwen & Gavin. As far as a playdate…month old babies barely recognize their own mothers. Get a grip folks. You are being embarrasingly ridiculous in your adoration of the mangy pair of cheaters. # 302 | nice property LOL———————–HA! ITA.If these people are really who Jared says they are then BAMZ-fans are truly delusional to call this a playdate if they know the first thing about month or so old babes.Are you just a bunch of fawning idiots or what?

# 307 |playdate|-You must be very proud agreeing with your self.BTW-look at the new thread posted in the mean page moron!

#296the fox comments didn’t impres me at allthis site is very negative over BA news for a while now…..the site did bad reviews about MMS DVD and else what disturbed me first, because i thought MMS is a FOX movie?but then the movie is produced by REGENCY;so ,all blablabla;jerkk.

# 296 | Mangy Fangy **These people so want to make JA look like a winner that they only write half the truth.The media called her a A list movie star before she have proven anything. She got more PR than anyone this and last year but still could not make a hit out of those movies.Yes the Break Up is a hit but there is no information to show that it was because of JA. If it were JA than she would have had a hit with one of those other movies. JA goal was to have success in films different than before. However JA only hits have been like this one as a sidekick to a rising funny actor. Can we say J Carrey, B Stiller or V Vaughn. This type of role will not last long since JA is coming to films at an older age. Lets see what type of scripts JA gets in the future that are not produced by Plan B. My guess most will be indies but I am certain some in the media will spin it that this is what JA wanted all the time but we will know the truth.

Who gives a damn. I’m so sick of these people. Nothing like parading slapping it in everyone’s face that you’ve had an affair and an kid out of wedlock. Yeah, something to be real proud of. NOT.

They need to go on back to Africa and stay there. I can’t stand either one of those two

#302 & #307What? Those might not be AJ & BP? Oh why will Jared do that to us…..I mean I know he’s not the only one who has the pictures on his site claiming it is AJ and BP. Forget the fact that the image site where the pix comes from identifies the people as AJ & BP, No, No this is all about Jared’s own claims. Why would he claim it was them if it isn’t? This is unforgivable!What? You mean month old babies can’t have playdates? Now this takes the cake….why would anyone suggests that? Of course they could be joking, not realizing there are people who take everything literally and think others are has stupid as they are and would actually believe the babies are having a playdate. Oh, I feel so manipulated by all the lies and deception on this BLOG. Thank goodness you two are here to clear things up. Hey I was on another site and they said "Routh Flies to first at the box office" Can you tell me if it’s possible for a man to fly? I tell ya, these things got me all confused. I’ll be waiting for you response.

Get a grip my dear. # 316 | think positive!———————–if you think those two barely month old babies actually played together…you’re the one who needs to get a grip. Not to mention a little life’s experience. LMAO at you!!!Could you stop acting like two babies who didn’t play with each other is the biggest thing that happened to you this week. I’m gone. It’s a holiday. I have a life.

# 321 |u peeps R CRACK|-I was making fun of it you full.You were the one who thought that there was a playdate and questioning about it in the first place.Go smell some fresh air and chill out.

Think PositiveHey girl, you need to ignore the idiot. She already shown her ignorance by thinking people will really believe the babies are having a playdate. Sometimes you read a comment and wonder how some people function in real life. Look how happy she is stating the obvious and thinking she is the smartest person for getting that babies can’t have playdates. What will she tell us next….the sky is blue, water is wet, heat mean hot….wow the possiblities of her brilliance her endless and I can’t wait for the next insight from this wise one.

http://usuarios.lycos.es/bestjana/hpbimg/Brad%20Pitt%20Nude.jpghappy 4th.: ) nsfw

# 325 |African Girl|-Yes i know i sould.And that is what i will do.God bless their heart for bringing their wisdom to enlight us.LOLBTW-Your posts are cracking me up.You’re very funny.

WHHHAAAT???? the haters are picking on the words "PLAY DATE"….LOL LOL….LMAO!!!!Can yo people get more ridiculous???? Is pretty damn OBVIOUS that 2 month old babies can’t play with eachother…nowadays whenever a mom and her kid goes and meets another mom and her kid…is called a play date!!!!Besides, it was JJ who wrote is a such no AJ/BP or GS/GR….JEBUS PEOPLE!!! How stupid are you haters to take is so LITERALLY????LOL, LMAO!!!

328MicheleYour rebuttal was on target.May I also add that a very vigorous pr campaign , alternate tv. appearances for both stars, seem like their faces were on tv/mags. daily before the movie ’s opening . Hopped on jets to other country’s premiere’s while the movie is still showing in the US. In contrary Jolie-Pitts went to Tokyo Dec.2005 for the MAMS premiere, about 6 months after the release of MAMS in US.VV should be applauded for his efforts and I thinkhis selection of the movie’s cast contributed to it’s boxoffice hit. Just to mention;Judy Davis -Australia/New Zealand.Justin Bateman-wife-Anka girl- fr. CanadaJon Favreau- directorV. Onofrio—- Law and Order-tv star.Of course- Aniston- her lost love, present love. and survival stories made front covers. VV made sure all corners of the world was covered. Did I mention Ann Margret-families fromMinnesota and Sweden. What’s a few buck to see the movie of your relative . friends and just plain countryman. It worked for VV…….

It seems that Jen does indeed have her own fan base. Try to contain your disappointment.ET’S ALL-AMERICAN STARS #1: Jennifer Aniston: The golden girl of Hollywood’s still got it it! Friendly Jennifer was far and away your top choice, as many ET viewers feel the natural beauty has overcome some difficult personal hurdles and has triumphed at the box office with her summer hit, ‘The Break-Up.’ #2: REESE WITHERSPOON: For many, the "Legally Blonde" celeb is a picture-perfect example of a true star who juggles being a mom, wife and great actress with real Southern charm! #3: TOM CRUISE: Cruise is tops amongst Hollywood’s male stars for his lengthy and impressive film career (which spans more than twenty years) and for his enthusiasm and interaction with fans. For many viewers who wrote in, Tom is as all-American as it gets! #4: JOHNNY DEPP: From his early days as TV hunk on "21 Jump Street" to big-screen "Pirate," over the years Johnny has captured America’s hearts with his originality and many colorful characters — especially his latest, Captain Jack Sparrow. #5: CLAY AIKEN: The former "American Idol" runner-up has many devoted fans who adore his voice and personality — viewers say Clay is authentic and the real deal! #6: GEORGE CLOONEY: With an undeniable charm, the Oscar-winning actor and fave bachelor is considered by viewers a talented class act that stands out in Hollywood. #7: JENNIFER GARNER: Gorgeous Garner graces the list because of her endearing girl-next-door qualities and her gutsy "Alias" character. #8: ANGELINA JOLIE: Angelina ranks not only because of her classic beauty, acting talents and her new role as mother, but for her dedication to humanitarian efforts as well. #9: JULIA ROBERTS: The Hollywood staple is still considered by many as America’s sweetheart, one of the most down-to-earth celebs and audience’s fave ‘Pretty Woman’ forever! #10: A Tie! BRAD PITT and KEANU REEVES: Both gorgeous guys have the obvious sex appeal, but for many, Brad is hands-down the ultimate, cool movie star and now part of a Hollywood "super couple" with Angelina Jolie. Keanu, meanwhile, keeps cranking out memorable performances in popular movies like ‘Speed,’ ‘The Matrix’ and most recently ‘The Lake House,’ while maintaining a certain mysterious persona. http://et.tv.yahoo.com/celebrities

#337 Are we just a little bitter?So sad that pictures of a happy family seems to set off certain nut cases.

# 331 | *me* - yeah, well get off your high horse and read some of the excited bamzie comments raving about a playdate. then STFU ‘kayLove Gwen but hanging out with Jolie could make me rethink that.

1."Mr and Mrs Smith" has made 438 million dollars.# 298 | think positive!+++++++++++++++++++++++Actually it was $468MIL, but who’s counting…

i wonder if brad ever thinks of jen? i don’t think this relationship of brad and angelina is going to last long. they’ll break up soon.brad u’ll regret leaving jen for the rest of your life.

#344 kriti chanana,Stop living in nevernever land.Brad and Jen are over,let it go.You Jen fan’s can’t stand the fact the man is happy.Jen seems ok so what’s the problem?They won’t last,you have been singing that song for a year now,change the damm record please,it’s broke!

# 342 |Passing Through|-Oops! Sorry about that.I tiped 3 instead of 6.lol

HELP!!!!!!I can’t post in the new (boys and their ATV’s) for some reason Jared! I sent you an e about it. Something is seriously weird……..HELP!!!jpf

kriti chanana *****…Break up soon?? That’s according to you STUPID ANISTON FREAKY ******* FANS! Well you all thought your Golden Couple is the real deal well what happened? Divorce…not even friendship…& no babies….This moronic fans just can’t stand that their Ugly Aniston is left by her hubby. Hey…your Aniston got separated with her ex-boyfriends & those ex-boyfriend doesn’t stay friends with her, I wonder why??

just STFU!

C2 long post, so skip over if either bothers you. It’s also an old thread. # 277 | malaya Don’t mean to pry but I read something about it in one of the threads.Hi there, Malaya. Know this, of all the BAMZS fans/supporters, you are the one I go back the longest with. I consider you my longest standing friend in BAMZS land. And your cyber friendship is the one I’d like to take with me, but I am that gypsy so I’m basically unreliable. Well, maybe not that unreliable as I am still friends with a few people I’ve met on the Internet for over 6 years and counting. Lately, I’m not that reliable with newer cyber friends. If I weren’t, you’d be at the top of that list! Should I continue to mention how many "real" friends I have, as if I were counting the number of autographs in my yearbooks as one school friend did? (Yeah, even then, I thought that was pathetic, as is X’s constant wrapping herself around her friends. So much for her separate identity.)Plus, you and I were comrades-in-arm at that Wench First site, so there is a special bond with us. We’ve earned our stripes, didn’t we? (Boy, it was once fun messing with them, too.) So, please never feel you are prying into anything appearing to be a private conversation. Mi convo, su convo. But I will admit that often I don’t like that conversations are so open that everybody can eavesdrop. By everybody, I have in mind mainly the haters and my own hater-fans (the ones proclaiming to hate me but can’t help follow me and hang on my every words just as AG, PT and Cliniqua have their own hater-fans as well). Worst, they occasionally take the words I’ve used for their twisted hatred. To hell with them, right? Thank you (and Original Curious, Zaiyana, Moi Jade, Malibumom and PT from awhile back which I failed to acknowledge then) for the good wishes and thoughts. We’re in a holding pattern and we haven’t learned anything more. It’s all counterintuitive to me, but what do I know? It’s not my idea of medical science. If I could condense all the years of medical education, internship and residency within a few days as with Matrix downloading, I’d be on that to take over the damn job myself. Actually, I wouldn’t as we need the experts.In the meantime, I’m going to go with this C2-lite operation. Truth be told, I just don’t have much to contribute anyway. I’m tapped out, and I’m all talked out of the B/A/J saga. BUT, I never tire of ridiculing X, as she is my proverbial pinata that I can easily hit blindfolded. So, it’s a convergence of events. But while I still have a flicker in me, I’d like to follow up on your comments into unchartered territory of the emasculation of Asian male. Beep, beep, make way…or San Francisco Chinatown method, bump, bump, get out of the way! Comments are also for Joy, who replied to me in message #606 in a thread I’ve lost track of. Generally speaking, I’m in agreement with you on Vince’s crack as he is small potatoes - actually a beanstalk with a gut, but little fingerlings nonetheless. He isn’t a policy maker. He isn’t influential. Hell, I’ve yet to be convinced he’s even a bigtime player in Hollywood other than riding on bigger stars’ coattails and milking a relationship that is as interesting as track homes in Dullsville. What is interesting, in context of the background of MAMS in terms of both Brad and Angie as parents of an Asian boy and Simon Kinberg’s love of Hong Kong films (I knew he borrowed a lot of John Woo tricks, which he oddly didn’t mention in his audio commentary), is how that crack got passed by without any apparent scrutiny. Where was the sensitivity for Asian sensibilities? Or did they think that because the insult was targeted just about Filipinos, the rest of the Asians wouldn’t mind - as latent bigots often think one offense doesn’t transfer to the other? Well, we wouldn’t know if questions were ever raised or not. Regardless, that Asian crack at the expense of Asian guys is an ingrained cheapshot that is belittling. As I’ve noted before, it’s a real sore spot for Asian guys on radical Asian sites, as many feel Asian males are subjected to emasculation in American culture. *Gags* Sixteen Candles? Nerds. Losers. Ineffectual, asexual weak Asian man, even losing Asian women to the White man. Or worst, the persona non-grata in American society nowhere to be seen, even in professions where Asians are prevalent, such as health care and law. Here’s an interesting aside of a recent survey I saw on TV of the premium women would require to date certain men. Asian men had the highest premium for a woman to be interested in him. Sorry, the rest of the details are lost in the netherworlds of useless information overload. As far as media and mainstream go, Asian men are so misrepresented I barely even recognize them as Asian men outside of their physical appearances, if they exist at all in that public realm. Bruce Lee is too far ago to keep mining as a role model. And no, importing of Asian "stars" doesn’t count either. Where are the homegrown Asian-American male figures? (I do like that "Lost" has a major Asian couple in the story lines, with a strong Asian male.) You minus well be an owl with the burning question: Who? Who? Who?As I’ve lived all my life in predominantly Asian communities, I was insulated by those types of racial insults of putdowns of Asian males (it was more of the trite and cliched general Asian slurs). The Asian guys I’ve known and are in my real life don’t have those insecurities, whether they are short or not. The Chinese guys are secure in their masculinity to cook for the family, help with the dishes and other household chores. My brothers, alone, defer the leadership role to me with family matters, even though I’m at the bottom of the birth rank. But of course, living in a community with a majority of Asians (over 40%) doesn’t mean I’ve been spared of any racial epithets even in a city that’s known to be overly civil and polite (but that kind of environment hides a lot of closeted racists and bigots behind the cloak of liberalism and progressiveness). As slurs typically go, they are entirely unoriginal, dull, impotent and predictably dated. It’s more eye-opening where the racist digs come from. From what Angie has said in interviews, I know she is conscious of the adoption background impacting on the self-esteem of her children in terms of their sense of love and identity in the family. Perhaps that is a legitimate concern. But what I see having far more prominence with Maddox (for sake of this argument, I’m singling him out) is not his identity within the family, but the identity of his ethnicity. I am confident that there will be no issues of his genuine place in the family, no matter how many biological children Brad and Angie eventually have. Their family is a blended one with adopted and biological children, with the lines blurred by the love of both parents for their children and Angie’s embracing a global perspective. It may be more muddled of Maddox’s Asianness in a sea of mostly non-Asians in the community he will be growing up in. In Malibu, Asians comprise only 2.5% of its population, with Whites making up 91.9% (by 2000 census) - not exactly diversity. Hollywood Hills may not be any better. Maddox will grow up like many other Asian-Americans feeling different because he looks different from the crowd. And as Angie’s childhood experiences have shown, being a celebrity child doesn’t necessarily spare a kid of the isolation and alienation.I was lucky in being immunized from that Asian identity issue, but many Asian children growing up in predominantly Caucasian communities can’t help feeling conflicted of their ethnic background. And it boils down to the tendency for individuals in social groups wanting to fit in and not stick out as a sore thumb. The Japanese have an adage that speaks of this conformity in that the nail that sticks up gets hammered. It happened with Lucy Liu, among other famous and not famous Asian-Americans. And the personal stories of growing pains by Asian-Americans I’ve heard actually came from people in Asian families. It says a lot about Lucy, as she is a Chinese-American, to have insecurities of her Chineseness. Normally, the Chinese are a proud people. But maybe that is more reinforced by overseas Chinese, where our culture couldn’t be dominated even by foreign invaders and rulers. Not by the Mongols. Not by the Manchus. Nor briefly by the Japanese. And not even by the Brits. None of them held dominion over the Chinese heart and mind. So there is none of that colonial mentality of inferiority that often prevails over citizens of former Western colonies. And frankly, Brad and Angie can’t rely on the media or mainstream for Asian representation as a model for Maddox. (Actually, I wouldn’t recommend anybody use the media as a standard for raising children or consciousness - whether of fiction or non-fiction.) We are the most under-represented, along with Native Americans as a presence in the media (except for local newscasts which inexplicably attract a lot of Asian-American females and that can’t be blamed on the Connie Chung phenomenon, who’s been thankfully kicked to the curb with her inane interviewing and singing skills). For Asian guys, forget about it. Poor Maddox will be hard-pressed to find any role models of prominent stature or in public. No, Norm Mineta doesn’t cut it as Secretary of Transportation, a figurehead in a filler cabinet position. In fact, he will be bombarded by images and "jokes" reinforcing the stereotypes of the hapless Asian male. If that story about Angie hearing someone remark about her distaste for dating an Asian guy, then Angie already has an inkling of what perceptions Asian males have to fight against. Believe me, those will be more sources of angst for a young Asian male than his adoption origins in Hollywood, which is increasingly embracing adoption. Having said all of that, I do trust Angie has a good strategy in mind, beginning with educating Maddox of his background, roots and genuinely loving Maddox’s Cambodian culture to impart onto him. But more important, her recognition and realization that Maddox will face racism based on his ethnicity. As such, I’m certain she will go to all lengths to provide Maddox with strong, positive Asian male images and role models for him to be proud of not only his background, but his identity as an Asian male. Dr. Haing S. Ngor, the Oscar-winning actor in "The Killing Fields" and community activist, would have been a great mentor for Maddox. He was a survivor in the truest sense, persevering the torture, repression, and persecution exacted by the Khmer Rouge. Unfortunately, though he escaped the mass genocide in Cambodia, he didn’t survive the mean streets of Los Angeles. Not many people think about the ramifications of insipid remarks or jokes, especially off-the-cuff ones, that on the surface mean nothing because they just don’t know or think about the context of those cutting words. What’s the harm, right? They’re only words. Here’s the kicker offenders usually rationalize: It’s just a joke, get a sense of humor. I’ll get a sense of humor when they think of a new joke that hasn’t been in the public domain for eons. Mind you, I’m not the overly PC type that demands sanitized dialogue in films without any racist slurs. If the character is a racist, of course, I expect to hear racist speech or else the character wouldn’t be genuine. Or the context reflects the times, as with Vietnam war, then by all means, they better speak the racist words of the times. I don’t want any whitewashed dialogue. I didn’t even hold John McCain’s racist insult against him as it came from the pain and wounds he suffered as a tortured POW. But of course, McCain shouldn’t brush a wide broadstroke of all Vietnamese as g***s. I’m not Filipino so I wasn’t sure how Filipinos took the crack. For me, as an Asian, it was awkward and it wasn’t funny. I’m just going to dismiss it as Vince sheltered in his homogenous Caucasian world where diversity doesn’t include Asians. So he just may not know better…and he’s just not funny. I hope that is the case and I’m not unwittingly enabling another philistine. Thank you Joy and Malaya for your comments. Further, Malaya, I was going to post the following reply to you couple of weeks back before a turn of events set me back. # 501 | malayainsults or offensive remarks that anyone throws at me or my people is trivial compared to the atrocities that these women and children has suffered.Malaya, I’m squarely with you on that. In life, there is a spectrum of setbacks, challenges, trials and tribulations that give one pause as to what is important in life. To be sure, I don’t want racist jokes, slurs or other personal offenses to be equated to the basic necessities of life or human decency when life may be hanging in the balance. Compared with that, it’s utterly pointless to engage in the negative energies of haters, as much as their lives are a pointless existence. In science, there’s a law of conservation of energy, where energy is neither created nor destroyed. But it gets transformed from one state to another. Though I never take any of the negativity to heart (even from the wenches), I’m wasting my energy on the negative that could have been productive and beneficial on the positive. In economics, it’s called opportunity cost. As such, I’m re-evaluating the time and energy I’m wasting with the haters. So, no, in the grand scheme of life, I wouldn’t get hanged up on whatever Vince shoots off with his mouth. I still enjoy MAMS purely from the interplay with Brad and Angie. Vince could well be a fire hydrant for a dog to piss on, for all I care. Frankly, I’ve been subjected to direct racist slur by a so-called friend to not be shocked. So, I have grown a thick skin about it. But I was curious as to how Filipinos, themselves, reacted to the DOA joke. But more than anything else these amazing men and women should serve as our inspiration to make this world a better place for all of us - to be aware and sensitive to our fellow men. Just to acknowledge that someone exist and has a right to exist in this planet is a start.If the world existed under that tenet, imagine what a better universe it would be and how much more humans can accomplish with the energies saved away from conflicts and clashes. I’ve been conscious from an early age to be sensitive of others and the inequities that divide. In junior high school, I was into Crazy Horse, among others, and my heart just broke of the historical injustices suffered by Native Americans and their current plight. And I would befriend outcasts even when my supposed friends would discourage me. There is an upside to treating everybody with the respect he or she matters. They will in turn treat you right, as well. Here is where I will piggyback off a comment made by Guli in the Refugee thread (again something I had drafted awhile back but didn’t post up). # 625 | guli "sometimes I don’t have the cash, they’ll go don’t worry you’ll pay the next time when I come by. Can you ever imagine that happening in US?"Sure can. It happens where I live. My dry cleaner is like that. He takes only cash, which is something I normally avoid. I’m all about plastic. I get bennies with my credit cards. Nothing with cash, but knowing where the cash has been. Anyway, he will let me take my clothes even if I haven’t paid in full for it. He tells me to pay him back later with no time table in mind. Another incident I can recall is when I tried to buy sand. (No Estelle, I wasn’t preparing for hurricane weather.) I went assuming that the owner would take credit cards. Wrong. As I don’t carry anything else (I would be a mugger’s waste of time), I couldn’t pay him. But like my dry cleaner, he allowed me to leave with the load of sand. I promised I would send him a check, and he trusted me. In writing this reply up, I remember my own Oprah-Hermes incident - though I didn’t push my weight around (granted Oprah is about two of me). I arrived late for an arranged pickup of materials because I got lost from wrong Yahoo directions. The manager had told me that they had a strict cutoff time by policy, and I came onto the scene nearly half an hour late. Lucky for me, the manager was out front taking his smoking break. But unlike Oprah, I didn’t demand the service time be extended. Nope, instead, when the manager asked if I could come the next business day, I hemmed and hawwed. "Ummmm, aaaah, uuuuhh…" Solely on his own (okay with a little subtle cajoling on my part), he agreed to let me go ahead in picking up the materials. Actually, he had someone load the materials into my car instead. To be sure, I didn’t make anyone stay late as their actual working hours were several hours longer than the cutoff time for loading. Of recent, because by habit of my greeting strangers I make eye contact with, I had established a kindly connection with a security guard manning a parking lot that limited to 30 minutes for loading and unloading. I asked him about a nearby garage validating and he told me not to worry about parking longer in the front parking lot. I ended up parking there for over 7 hours. That was a Saturday. I had to park there again during the week several times more. And again, I ran it by the security guards (the same one for one day and a different guard on another day) about extended parking in the front lot. Both were cool about it. The first one, who suggested I go ahead in parking in the lot, approved the second time with a "No problem, darling," while he placed his hand on my shoulder. I get those little breaks and unsolicited assistance here and there. Maybe it’s the city I live in. Or maybe it’s just me. O:) To me, by simply being polite and nice to people - whether strangers or business acquaintances, you just might get the same treatment back. Though, I must stress, I don’t go out being nice to get some favor. It’s just a more pleasant way to get through the day by making it pleasant for others, as my day is nicer when others are pleasant as well.