Mon, 31 July 2006 at 12:00 am
Mel Gibson Mug Shot
Scope out actor-director Mel Gibson’s mug shot released by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. This booking photo was taken early Friday after being arrested on drunken driving charges, making anti-Semitic remarks, and threatening a deputy law enforcement official. EKKS! Poor Mel!








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God, I don’t even want to be first.
# 1 | CLINIQUA | - sorry C. you are :)
"Poor Mel" is a ******* ass. Oof.
I’ve see worst mug shots (James Brown, Nick Nolte) - but he’s the worst person to be sure.
See = seen. Sorry!!
He looks like a creepy old man….staring the clothes right off me!!! Yuck
This man has many demons. I think his career is really over after this meltdown.
|#7 Frenchy | ITA!Thanks Jared for finally posting this. This story has been blowing up blogs, all weekend.
Poor Mel? You’ve gotta be kidding? The man is a ******* bigot…. it was only a matter of time before he revealed his true colors..
NOw, if only Lady O could get drunk and tell us how she realy feels about people who are NOT RICH.were are the family? thier father is going Nuts and they aren’t helping him?some times i wonder whats the point of havinga family?
================== Mel’s career over? I don’t think so! Everybody wants to crucify him now! Hollywood (mostly Jews) is just jealous because "Passion of the christ" made so much money, and he Didn’t need any help from them to do it! Nobody in Hollywood backed him up, but he did it on his own! So he made a mistake? He is human, and he has apologized! Just another day in the craziness that is Hollywood.
The fact that he is an alcholic and is trying to get better can be forgiven, but the remarks he made about Jews is not something that should be disguised as "another day in hollywood". Mel has been rumored to have anti-semetic views for a long time and now we can see them for ourselves. Unless he changes the hate he holds inside of him, people should not dismiss this any old day in hollywierd. I won’t write his career off, but I do think the man has some serious issues that he needs to deal with, and I’m not talking just about the alcoholism.
Hey Cliniqua - Did you see JJ’s bit on the cover where the Star has MG’s rep saying he’s entered rehab? What a shock! Lay low so he doesn’t have to do any explanatory interviews and hope it all blows over! NOT!
Yeah I saw that PT…Mel’s idea of rehab, is a few visits to his own Catholic sanctuary where he re-baptizes himself in holy water. Dude is NOT going to Hazelten or Betty Ford…he’ll be right in his own wacky compound with his 127 spawn placing cool cloths on his forehead and bathing his feet. 2-3 days at the most, then his "rehab," is over. Heh.
He apologized - he was drunk - he lost control - he apologized — forgive - 70 times 7 — he who is without sin cast the first stone — CLINIQUA thinks its her — ha ha ha ha - and she is serious — when you are blind you really are blind.
Breaking NewsMel Gibson In Rehab for AlcoholismMONDAY JULY 31, 2006 05:25PM ESTBy Michael Fleeman and Ken LeeMel GibsonPhoto by: Peter Kramer / STAR MAX Mel Gibson has sought treatment for alcoholism, his rep, Alan Nierob, tells PEOPLE. "He definitely entered a program," said Nierob, who wouldn’t identify or describe the program or say how long Gibson planned to be there. Gibson was arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence in Malibu early Friday morning. On Saturday, he issued a statement apologizing for his behavior after the arrest. The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department turned its case over to the district attorney Monday. The DA’s office is now reviewing the information to determine whether to press charges. Controversy erupted this weekend over allegations that the Sheriff’s Department sanitized an arrest report containing anti-Semitic and sexist remarks that Gibson allegedly made while in custody. DA spokesperson Jane Robison tells PEOPLE, "We believe we received a complete report, but can’t comment on the details of it." An arraignment is set for Sept. 28. Meanwhile, a spokesperson for Disney said Monday that the studio plans to release Gibson’s latest film, Apocalypto, as scheduled on Dec. 8. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~I wonder if he is at PROMISES. I think it’s in Malibu.That’s where Ben Affleck and Charlie Sheen did their rehab at.
how is it********* jews**Anti-semi?If he said>i hate all jews people and i would like to kill them>that would be a Anti-semi>******* jews..is not a Anti-semiFucking muslims..Not anti-islamFucking christians>not anti-christains.I hate Jews>>IS- anti-semi**I hate Muslims>IS- anti-islam**I hate christians>IS-anti-christians*
That is a really styling mugshot ! It looks like a professional photographer ! Mel looks super cool !!
#18Put the crack pipe down. Saying "******* Jews" is pretty much saying I hate them. Even if you change the tone and emphasize differently, its still fucked up.Anyone who backs this man is really showing their true colors. Let his career burn!And G’nite
HAHAH.I love how every Jewish person on the planet is all over the supposed hearsay of anti-semetic remarks. You realize that first Hollywood tried to rake him over the coals because he made his movie outside their boundaries and had factually based (as factual as religion can be) harsh potrayals of Jewish people thousands of years ago. Now…this much time passes and BAM! They take their shot again at slandering him.Give up the agenda guys. It’s really ******* old and does more harm than good. It’s not backwards to dismiss rumous or something that might have been said. Whatever. The guy kicks ass and is richer than Mexico.Looking forward to Apocalytpo!
Mel saying "******* Jews" … BADJews killing innocent Lebanese children … WORSER than WORST!
Mark, you got it all wrong. Only the media is bashing Mr. Gibson right now. As long as he can bring in the big bucks at the box office, his career is fine. But I suspect that when camera stops rolling, he is going to be pretty lonely. No one is going to invite him to parties, lunches, etc., because they don’t know what he will do next. And if he talks that way about Jews, what does he say about Hispanics, Afro-Americans, and Asians when no one is looking?!!!! No, it’s too risky. Perhaps rehab will help him. That would be great.
Get over it ppl… saying something against Christianity or Islam is not being anti-anything, but the second something is said about Jews, its anti-Semetic… seriously referring to his comments that "Jews are the one’s starting wars all over the world" is what everyone has been thinking but has kept quiet about… Christians are pawns of Jews… its all leading up to the coming of Jesus… Israel can be an aggressor, kill, kidnap, raid, rape Palestinians on a daily basis, and its never reported in the jewish US media. But the second a jew dies or is kidnapped, all hell breaks loose…
He probably freaked out when the new war in the Middle East started, got in a deep depression and then started to drink again. There are a lot of "end times" people out there who are saying that everything that’s happening now is written in Revelations. As a strict Catholic Mel probably noticed this as well and went off. Yeah his career, as we know it is over. He may do other things later on but he will always be a sad & pathetic figure.
#18Put the crack pipe down. Saying "******* Jews" is pretty much saying I hate them. Even if you change the tone and emphasize differently, its still fucked up.Anyone who backs this man is really showing their true colors. Let his career burn!And G’nite # 20 | JINX^^^You need to put the crack pipe down^^^Last time checked******** did not EqualTO hate**Is calling a jew stupid an anti-sami?**************************************Hey pagebetty, you fucktard, I am sick to death of you backwards ass wingnut conservative ‘christian’ ******* who wouldn’t know what being ‘christlike’ was if jesus himself tutored you personally.# 12 | CLINIQUA ** guess she is An Anti-christain.
His career is not over, people will forget all about this, it’s not a big deal. Apocalypto is gonna be great; also can’t wait for the movie "Borat"……."throw the jews down the well, throw the jews down the well, grab them by the horns….."
"throw the jews down the well, throw the jews down the well, grab them by the horns….." # 27 | bandicoot ^^please that’s IS A ANTI-sami^^^"Any life that is lost in war is a human life be it that of an muslim/Arab or an christian/Israeli. A wife who becomes a widow is a human being entitled to a happy family life, whether she be a muslim/Arab or a chirstian/Israeli. Innocent children who are deprived of the care and compassion of their parents are ours. They are ours, be they living on muslim/Arab or christian/Israeli land. They command our full responsibility to afford them a comfortable life today and tomorrow."
^^^^ oh please, get a grip. i’m not an "anti-sami" or an anti-semi. have you ever seen "Da Ali G Show" it’s a sketch from TV
Let’s play a game…Cliniqua is…an anti-christian: : you fucktard, I am sick to death of you backwards ass wingnut conservative ‘christian’ bitchesWho believes Jesus tortures people: if jesus himself tutored you personally. According to her definition, she is evil too: HATING PEOPLE AND SLURRING THEM IS EVIL & WRONGWho prefers her men cut: you bigoted racist ******* can go suck Mel’s uncircumcised peanut dickThinks Christians = KKK?:Shaddup you dumb *****, and go strangle yourself on your white sheetAnd has gentital warts on her mind: He’s a walking talking genital wart.Oh my, you are the overall package, aren’t you sweetie?
according to Extra, Mel said during his arrest:"the jews are responsible for all the wars in the world—******* jews"i see nothing anti-semitic about that; it’s an accurate observaton and a personal remark
according to Extra, Mel said during his arrest:"the jews are responsible for all the wars in the world—******* jews"i see nothing anti-semitic about that; it’s an accurate observaton and a personal remark # 31 | bandicoot |^^i’m glad we agree on that^^
This justjared blog is a microcosm of the world at large — just read the hate and blindness on the various threads - put a gun in the hands of people like Cliniqua and her minions and we would all see Anti-Christ in action - her anger and pain is palpable - wonder who hurt her. Instead of encouraging her on this despicable path true supporters would redirect her talent as a writer into more wholesome endeavours - and she does have a talent - I for one would love to see her rise to a higher plane and bring her glassy eyed followers with her.
#30 Disc — I agree with the content of your post. I do want to make one small observation though and for a reason — if you will notice you mentioned that the writer believed Jesus tortured people when she actually said that some wouldn’t recognise christ-likeness if Jesus tutored them himself (paraphrase) — I mention this only because if she comes back with a response she will no doubt fixate on the one error in your post totally disregarding the truth of the rest of of what you wrote. She is pretty predictable and as irrational as are those who defend and idolize her. The saddest thing is that she has an imature, selective knowledge of Christianity and I wonder if she sees herself as putting forth a Christ-like persona. That being said, she can on occasion make intelligent observations and remarks about varied subjects and she has a talent for writing even though her thoughts and words take her into the gutter.
What if he didn’t say it? I mean maybe he did but there’s no proof, the sherriffs dept have emphatically denied that they sanitised the arrest report - I mean when did the media become so trustworthy and squeaky clean - when did we start going ok some hack somewhere, says its so, so it is?? Really half these posts read like the modern equivalent of a lynch mob, guilty till proven innocent on the say so of a news media that will make anything up to sell paper or score a rating - dats just plain scary ****.
Israel just murdered 60 people in Lebanon. 36 of them were children. Are you saying that the press in US didn´t write about that? People in europe are furious to say the least. And to be frank, every one are wondering why US is so cautious about their comments. Israel are slaugthering people out there and that´s a fact. Mel´s career is hardly over. He has his own points of views and a that makes his movies very unique. That´s always interesting. I hope he´ll battle his alcoholism and continue making great movies. Can´t wait to see Apocalypto.
#35 Anna — I seem to recall reading that he was video taped and actually saw himself in action on the tapes when sober - he was also on audio tape. However, he was really drunk and out of control - he does have a problem with alcohol and admits it — I do not believe that a sober rational Mel Gibson wouldsay and do what he is accused of. I think he is mortified and this woke him up enough to put him back in rehab and apologize — the apology should be accepted I believe it was sincere.
There’s a saying how drunk people and kids always speak the truth so he apparently hates Jews. I also read an interview that his father denies the holocaust and that Mel Gibson believes everything his father says. So … hmmm, not being a Jew myself but a citizen of the world makes me believe that the Gibsons aren’t nice people.
^^^^I’m not advocating hate, but so what if he hates jews? it’s not like he hates puppies. israel is murdering innocent children in Lebanon and if the U.S. wasn’t so far up their ass, then we would condemn their attacks and even perhaps take military action (but wait, they don’t have any oil wells do they?) so bush won’t speak out against them, and when this whole debacle started weeks ago, bush had a chance to denounce their actions but he wouldn’t (while practically every other leader at the G8 summit in Russia did). Bush and his America have no shame.
lurpac - now here is someone who has some sense.. how nice to read something right on this hate-filled site. Cliniqua is one screwed up, hate-filled bigot. Just like a lot of other people I could mention on here. Try sucking it up and thinking nice thoughts for a change folks.
MEL YOUR WERE THE BEST AND YOU STILL NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY
I totaly agree with you bandicoot you’re absolutely right, and mel just said the truth, it’s actually what is hapening in the world.
This is the thread more interesting that jj has published since 1 year, i hope that jj continue on this route. Now for the topic Mel has wronged and is right that he went in rehab. He has wronged to drive booze because he can kill someone and hurt oneself. as well as his comments are out line
I lost respect for Mel Gibson along time ago when I found out he was a racist. I’m glad he got a good shot of humble pie to go along with his mug shot.It took being arrested on drunken driving charges, making anti-Semitic remarks, and threatening a deputy law enforcement official. Its a shame that his behavior just now catching up with him. He disgrace himself, family, friends, co-workers and fans, now I feel only pity for this man. He has a problem with alcohol and it clouds his better judgement, I wish him well on his road to recovery and maybe someday Mel can put his millions to good use for humanity instead of spewing hate.I guess Mel won’t be looking at any jail time theres always a different set of laws for the rich and famous.
Wow, such forgiveness, for someone who wouldn’t hesitate to slur entire groups of people, and harbors bigotry against anyone who id’s as a jew, or a woman (OR, I guess most of you character-LESS wingnuts think it’s perfectly okay for your daughters, sisters, mothers, and wives to be called "sugar tits" on the job - yet another wack sick statement that came out of this piece of ***** mouth) - look, the jig is up….your holy Mel Gibson who made that WWF version of Jesus, has revealed himself to be the black-hearted waste of space that he is. t’s okay he’s still got 750 million dollars and 127 kids, he can go buy a small isalnd somewhere and make himself King of the drunk religious epithet spewing male chauvinst swines. Hypocrites.
45 | CLINIQUA I really liked your posts even back in BPC and the other brangelina boards but reading your personal opinion, although you´re entitled to it, all I can say it´s that I feel a bit disapointed by your extreme comments about MG. Yes he made mistakes, but who is entitled to throw the first stone? He said things he shouldn´t have said under the influention of alchool, he recognized he had a problem and he apologized. i´m sorry, but that of cruxifiction seems a bit hatefull for me. I guess, unfortunnatelly he gave his haters a reason to start attacking him for something his movie somehow touched a hidden spot. Otherwise that movie wouldn´t have so many haters.JIMHO.Give him a break. Like you have neven commited any mistakes!
jews are killers, they killed children women in paletine and lebanon, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE, CHILDREN ARE KILLED BY JEWS IN LEBANON,
CLININCA, I AM SORRY BUT ……. **** YOU ! AND ONE MORE THING jesus WAS NOT A JEW !!!
#45 Cliniquayour holy Mel Gibson who made that WWF version of JesusJus my last one about this as I overlooked it on my post above:With this comment Cliniqua, you do seem to hate someone or something and it´s not Mel Gibson. You´re just using an excuse to ven your hate. I hope you do come back to your usual rational standpoints. It´s very disapointing to see a comment like this one about that movie. In case you didn´t get it, you´re now supporting the most stupid thing which is a religious war.Have a nice day.
He looks like Osama Bin Laden in those last pictures. This guy has some serious issues. Feel bad for his kids……
#46, Lina - we throw stones every day — and for a LOT LESS than what Gibson has revealed himself for. You know, once upon a time a man named Rodney King was high and got pulled over -and I sure didn’t see millions of non-black people wondering why a simple DUI turned into an excuse to nearly kill a man. But somehow Gibson’s DUI not only is immediately dismissed (nevermind the fact that he could have killed innocent people), but also his racist and sexist comments are overlooked and forgiven. Since when did having one too many tequilas become the equivalent of ‘temporary insanity?’ Uh, excuse me - but Andrea Yates is insane, Mel is not. Last time I looked, if you got high before you committed a crime, that doesn’t EXCUSE or EXPLAIN the criminal behavior - likewise, the statements uttered while committing it. Most rapists have a few drinks too before they commit their acts of violence against a women, and I’m sure they say some sick and disgusting things - however a defense attorney won’t use a 6-pack as a rationale for a lesser sentence. What is wrong with you people? I’ve almost gotten a sense that some of Mel’s more holier fans, think the arresting officer was in the wrong. Now that’s REALLY special, a hard working man doing his job, scraping by on less than 30K, bears the brunt of their wrath for writing a report that exposes the racist, sexist, anti-semite almost billionaire. ….and people wonder why our society is so fucked up and full of inequity. This is a prime example. That’s right keep turning a blind’s eye to the working class and rolling out the red carpet and the throne to the Mel Gibson’s of the world - it’s one reason, why you’ve got a barely literate former drunk oil and gas baron and his buddies running the govt and ignoring foreign policy RIGHT NOW. If Jesus stepped off the cross today, and needed health care in George Bush’s so-called ‘Christian’ America, he’d just be **** out of luck with the rest of the non-millionaires and non-Gibsons. But sure…forgive Mel of his sins….and I expect you to do the same for the next creep who does something vile after a few beers.
With all this nonsense about Mad Mel he should have been born a Jew. Since Mad Mel checked himself into rehab his punishment should be to be locked in the TV room and watch Clean and Sober for the rest of his rehab visit.
Israel just murdered 60 people in Lebanon. 36 of them were children. Are you saying that the press in US didn´t write about that? People in europe are furious to say the least. And to be frank, every one are wondering why US is so cautious about their comments. Israel are slaugthering people out there and that´s a fact. Mel´s career is hardly over. He has his own points of views and a that makes his movies very unique. That´s always interesting. I hope he´ll battle his alcoholism and continue making great movies. Can´t wait to see Apocalypto. # 36 | curly****************Hey curly - why are you equating Israel, to all ‘Jews?’ In case you didn’t know, Jews have been around LONGER than Christians, and Mel slurred them ALL, not just the 21st century Israeli govt (a country that’s only been in existence for about 4o years as I understand it)…in other words, your comparison, is kind of like someone who goes around slurring ALL black people calling them the n-word, and justifies it by saying ‘well, blacks are responsible for most of the crime in the U.S.’ Is that okay with you too?? How about if I went around and slurred ALL white men, and called them ‘evil perverts,’ because the profile of most child molesters are white males? According to the same logic you’re using for Mel, all of those statements work and make sense - right?? If Mel had went off on a government, or even Israelis that would have been totally different than what he did - which was SLUR, and CONDEMN everyone from Jesus, to Einstein, to Natalie Portman. It’s also just one more reason how you can explain the death of 6 million people in the 20th century, and how it happened so easily. Give yourselves a hand, for creating an atmosphere and attitude where it could happen again - and not just to whatever your concept of ‘jew,’ is — but to anyone who doesn’t look like you and espouse your beliefs.
CLINIQUA, it’s not the same logic here, all jews are supporting Israel. And you know what they are so dam racist, that’s why they kill muslims people in lebanon and palestine.
When you guys talk about other people in such a low life manner like calling names it is sooo very disappointing, no matter how well spoken ,written,educated you are proves nothing !it is in the way you carry your self off to others, I like Jared sense of humor putting pic up of mel that look like Saddam, My friend who is a united church minister told me that when Mel was young he was beaten to a pulp and his face dismembered, live in a hospital for a year, his face being completly disfigured he no one would hire him, he was like this for over two years, homeless walked into a catholic church and started to recieve counselling from the priest, the priest told Mels story to a friend that attened his church, Australia’s top plastic surgen, The good doc agreed to help Mel for freeI do not know if this story is true or not,
sorry for my typos
Cliniqua, I gotta say you a "charming " individual ,I have seen this sid eof you befor eon threads realting to B Pitt, A jolie and , when your at your worst J Aniston. you ar ea bully, and while very articulate and possibly passionate I think you may need to just go look and your precious AJ in her aeroplane for a while!!!
# 51 | CLINIQUA FYI Cliniqua, no I do not think Mel´s arrest was wrong, so stop with the sarcasm please.And by comparing Mer´s behaviour to more dangerous ones does not validate your arguments, actually you do post a lot of hate in your message. For someone who is so concerned with racism, xenophobe messages, you´re definitelly showing the oposite.
# 51 | CLINIQUA And FYI, I´m not American. So many things you talk do not used them indirectly against me. I couldn´t care less of what´s happening in your country. But I do care that innocent people is dying no matter whose the fault is.
Comedy Central needs to re-air South Park’s episode The Passion of the Jew. Seems Trey & Matt had Mel pegged ages ago.And to the person who said Jesus wasn’t a Jew, you need to go back to Sunday School. Yes, dahlin’ he was.
# 36 | curlyITA with you curly! Finally someone who posted something rational around here and sticking only to the facts.
Lurpac - if that is the case then fair enough, but I didn’t think any of that was public domain, the coverage i saw suggested that this had all come from reporters saying that was the case, I mean if their was audio and video evidence in circulation - I’m surprised we haven’t seen it, the net being pretty good at getting this stuff out fast. He was drunk, he has problems, he clearly needs to work on that stuff and he has apologised etc etc and checked himself into rehab - but I still don’t believe there is evidence other than what a few journalists are claiming and accusing the sheriffs dept of not releasing, with regards to the anti-semitism - and I don’t believe the news media any more - they’ve made too much stuff up to many times, sorry. That’s not specific to Gibson, I take all celebrity coverage with a pinch of …. I have no problem with accepting his apology I’m just questioning the accuracy of all that is alleged because I know how the media exaggerates and twists everything these day. They can say or do pretty much what they want, I mean who are the media accountable to? and everyone believes it - likes it’s 100% gospel.
In a world where the president can get blow jobs from some bimbo in the white house and still be hailed as a great president - where a socialite can become even more famous for making a porno movie with her boyfriend - where drugged out movie stars can make glorious comebacks and two-bit actresses can get in car wrecks and run wild - Mel will be just fine. He’s got bazillions of dollars and even if he never makes another movie again, he’ll be just fine. He doesn’t need Hollywood to do his things, but they sure need him, so he’ll be fine.
Mel opened up his mouth and his brains fell out. That’s life!! People get drunk and say ’stupid’ things. My uncle use to get drunk and tell my aunt he hated her guts, yet he loved her to death. When she died, he was never the same. He never hit her, but when he got drunk, everyone left the room, let him sober up and that was that. Mel has a problem he needs to address. As far as this war with Lebanon is concerned, why does the US continue to send arms to Israel? The President tells Iran to stop sending arms to Lebanon, but we continue to send arms to Israel? WHY? Everytime a gun is found by a captured or killed Israeli, the gun says, "Made in the USA". WE, the American people pay, because all the Muslim Fanatics think we support the killing. WE PAY!! This war started over two captured soldiers, and innocent young people in Lebanon are being killed? WHY? I guess Mel woke up saw the news, got a bit drunk and it’s the first thing that came out of his mouth. I’m not making excuses for him, but he’s not the first person who opened his mouth and got knocked for it. Is Mel’s career over, NO!! He can produce and distribute his own films. Rumour in Hollywood was that Steven Spielberg wasn’t given an Academy Award until he made Scendler’s (spelling) list because he was Jewish. They tried not to give him one for a long time, but could not not give it to him for SL. Hollywood is about money. As long as Mel brings in the money, people will forget. That’s just the way it is. Mel needs to get a driver!!!
Mel does he not have a rather large family? how many children? I wonder if they look like him
# 33 | lurpac You know lurpac, unfortunatelly today I realized you are right about Cliniqua. I guess I didn´t want to see that someone who actually makes very valid points on another matter, can literally blows everything with so full-hated comments about another issue. I for one, will definitelly see her with other eyes everytimes she posts on B&A. Who would say someone can disapoint you this way? Geeez, i´t seems a commond trend lately amidst someBAMZS fans. Some, because not everyone is so full of hate and pain who comes here to spill it like she did. Have a nice day everyone! Now I´m definitelly going. I need more positive things far from all this hate for someone whom unfortunatelly relapsed.
Yes just jared fan mel has 5 or 6 children and he is married with same woman long time i believe almost 25 years old
Well war with Jews have been going on for a long time look at Hitler killing all those people beacause he was a very sick man Yes, another reason Hitler said jews killed there own king, In the passion Mel shows the Jewish high priest having a hand in jesus death, my dear friend liily who is jewish said she did not find the passion anti-semi
#67 Thank-you
#68. Several of my friends who happen to be Jewish went to see "Passion" and they didn’t think it was anti-semi either. One of the actresses in the movie is Jewish herself and said she would not have been part of the movie if she felt it was. We must all remember something as well, Jewish is not a ‘Nationality’, it’s a religion. Why is it that some Jewish people say, "I’m Jewish", but never "I’m American, Canadian, English", etc? Not all Jews in American support Israel. They don’t like the way the Israelis have treated the Palestians and they also are not looked at by the Israelis as "real" Jews. I don’t get it, but this is what my Jewish friends tell me. SAD, VERY SAD.
# 51 | CLINIQUAShut the **** up just because you got words to say doesnt mean you got the right to put people down. Your behind a computer saying whatever you want to say but i bet you wouldnt say anything in real life out there cos you would get backlash right away. But typing away whatever you want to say, it wont change mel g’s fans minds - nice try but seriously shut up! You got your say but helloooooo shuuutttt up its pretty annoying thinking your right all the time. FYI your not!
#71. I agree with you. I’m sure if she had to look someone in the face and say all the nasty things she said on this site, she’d run away and put her head and her ‘trash’ mouth in a hole and hide. You can get your point across without such naughty language. They’re a saying, "People who use naughty language use it because their brains can’t think of anything intelligent to say".
Anna, I know it’s difficult to believe that people you like can do bad things, but this is NOT the media saying it. The police refused to release it BECAUSE he said those things and then the media accused them of favoritism and they released it. It’s the POLICE, if you actually read something besides celeb sites and learn the difference between journalism and gossip. Being drunk is no excuse — it shows what’s really on your mind. And it’s been known in Hollywood for a long, long time about mel’s bigotry. Cliniqua is being attacked here by people who don’t like her on other threads, and have shown how loony they are elsewhere. Cliniqua is passionate, but ALWAYS speaks the truth, backs her facts up, and if you don’t like her facts, like Anna doesn’t like hearing that Mel actually said those things, then you don’t like Cliniqua. Tough — she’s dead-on right.Cliniqua has not shown herself to be anti-Christian, but very pro-Christian. She is pointing out the hypocrites who will act like bigoted, judgemental, Golden Rule-breaking jerks and then say they are Christian, they couldn’t possibly be bad people, like having said that jesus is your personal saviour gives you a free pass. No it doesn’t and Mel is EVIL, Christian or not. His supporters who use being Christian as an excuse for all bigotry are also EVIL, and worse, they are subverting a religion to justify their black hearts.The war in Lebanon has nothing to do with whether or not Mel Gibson is a bigot. Even he realized that he should have kept those thoughts to himself because while he believes them, they are NOT ACCEPTABLE. When sober, he shuts up, except when saying he won’t disagree with his father who said the Jews made the Holocaust up and it never happened. THAT is why people know that he meant every subtext of how Passion made jews look so bad. As a director and writer, you can make any scene look a thousand different ways even with the same actions and words. He chose to pain the Jews in the worst light possible, and spoke badly about Jews before the release, He has spoken in misogynistic terms for years, saying a woman should stay home and spit out babies and obey her husband. Tom Cruise seems to dominate Katie Holmes and people make fun of it, but no one said anything about Mel Cruise because for the most part, he kept his thoughts off the radar screen. Drunk, he lets it all out
To Lina, and lurpac - I’m convinced you’re at home right now watching the 700 Club…and yeah, I’d say the same damn things to your face maria - just be thankful you won’t ever have to find out - and I’ll be thankful I won’t ever have to see your face.
Cliniqua-I usually support what you write but this time you took it too far. You have every right to express your opinion but atleast don’t do it in such a deragtory and offensive way. You don’t have to like Mel, hell you can hate him for all I care, but next time when you want to express your opinion, try be less offensive. If had said what you wanted to say without offending everyone, your opinions would have sounded more reasonable.
Thanks rdt #73 - your pov is very much appreciated - you summed my position up on all this, and also clearly got to the heart of the matter - Mel Gibson himself knows what he said was ugly and despicable. Those of you on this list who don’t AGREE W/ HIM - will have to look in the mirror and ask yourselves why.
I completely echo what Remember da truth said. Cliniqua is very passionate and people are attacking her becasue she is so blunt and they don’t like her from other threads. When you throw in race and religion, things get rather spicy, especially on a message board when much is lost in tone and inflection. People go off on all kinds of tangents that don’t have anything to with the subject at hand. Everyone just needs to step back and take a deep breath.
Thank jj this thread become every minute more interesting than other. After thread about Brad, Angelina, Lindsay, Paris and other celebrities, finally a thread where the discussion is high. Mel has wronged, drive booze is stupid,can kill someone and hurt oneself. For his comments the alcohol can make you tell what that you neither think. This isn’t justify Mel, how i have said he has wonged and his comments are hateful, but the crucifix seem me too much
Mel Gibson is being criticized because he supposedly said "******* Jews". I agree that he made a mistake and this should not be taken lightly?However, I cannot understnad why no single Jew (e.g. Natalie Portman) has come out and condemn the murderous behavior of their Israeli brothers who are now on a rampage killing innocent children in Lebanon?Why is the ADL condemning Mel for a racist comment and yet ignoring the evil acts and atrocities committed by Jews of Israel in Lebanon?just asking….
# 47 | jen Whoever said Jesus was not a Jew is also drunk. Where did you get your Theological degree, The Disney Institute? Mel has seven children.
Just asking, I read that he said more than that, even asked the arresting cop if he was Jewish. Alcohol only amplifies who you really are.
Thanks #79 i don’t remember exactly the number of the children.
mell is all over the news, I have know idea whats in his mind but his movies are epic, and I loved Brave heart, The Passion was intense for me I fast forward all the bloody parts, the end of the movie when Mary says to jesus (my flesh of flesh, my heart of hearts let me die with you!) broke me down and I cried like a baby
# 80 | dragonfly Alcohol only amplifies who you really are.I don’t think this, alcohol make tell you anything and time you don’t think neither the half of what you say.
I think Mel Gibson staged his own arrest by the LA police. He made sure that the incident will become a BIG news … and he succeeded. Now everybody knows that he has a forth coming movie the "ACALYPTO".
Well anonimo, I say that because you tend to drop your inhibitions and you don’t edit yourself when you are drunk. Not everyone is that way, but alot of people are. I guess I should have qualified my statement by saying "most people". Now money, always, always, amplifies who you really are. Just look at all the jerks running around who have won alot of money in the lottery. So, maybe the alcohol is only part of it. Maybe it is that he is a rich drunk, so he really doesn’t keep himself in check.
Cliniqua. If you can tell me to my face, then I respect that. I see how passionate you are about things, but the ‘naughty’ language is what turns me off. We have a President in the US right now, put there by ‘Christian’ groups because he used the ’scare’ tactics and look what’s happened to what once was a ‘respected’ country. So, I promise to read all your comments, but hope that you won’t use such ’strong, naughty’ language next time.
Maybe you have right dragon, i don’t know mel, i am not a fan and how i said before he has wronged in everything, from drive booze at the comments inapropriate on Jews (bigoty). Now he went in rehab and i hope that this work on. For his bigoty or prejudice if he isn’t changed since now he will change never. But i don’t think that hate him will make you better. Thank jj for this thread.
I don’t get some people’s point of view on Christianity. I guess we can only go by what WE ourselves hold true in our hearts. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought that if you claim to be a christian, that doesn’t mean that you are claiming that your perfect. It means your saying that you need GOD in your life because you are far from perfect. I claim to be a christian, -not because I’M PERFECT, but because I NEED ALL THE HELP I CAN GET in life. I mess up all the time. I’ve delt with alcohalism and everything else you can think of. It’s a hard thing, but I got through it. Thank GOD I didn’t have every Joe in america passing judgment on me.
# 84 | conspiracy theory | August 1, 2006 11:07 AMHe almost risked killing someone & even himself, for publicity?
Yeah, I don’t agree that this was for publicity. I mean he’s the richest guy in Hollywood, what does he need to prove?
Here two article that talk about the comments express from mel. They are both from People, in the first is the officer of the police of Los Angeles that talk of the arrest:Officer Didn’t Want to ‘Ruin’ Mel’s CareerTUESDAY AUGUST 01, 2006 09:15AM ESTBy Stephen M. SilvermanAs controversy rages over whether police tried to cover up anti-Semitic remarks Mel Gibson allegedly made after his Friday arrest, the officer who detained him says he didn’t want to harm Gibson’s career. "I don’t take pride in hurting Mr. Gibson," Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy James Mee told the Associated Press Monday. "What I had hoped out of this is that he would think twice before he gets behind the wheel of a car and was drinking. That would be my hope that this would accomplish that. I don’t want to ruin his career. I don’t want to defame him in any way or hurt him." In a report posted on the Web site TMZ.com, Gibson is quoted as saying, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asking the arresting officer, "Are you a Jew?" Mee, a 17-year Sheriff’s Department veteran who is Jewish, told the Associated Press, "That stuff is booze talking. … If you are high-strung person, it’s going to amplify that and all the bad things are going to come out." On Saturday after his arrest, Gibson issued a statement apologizing for his behavior, and on Monday, Gibson’s rep announced that the actor had sought treatment for alcoholism. The impact on Gibson’s career may have already begun. On Monday, ABC announced it had canceled plans for a miniseries about the Holocaust that Gibson’s Icon Productions had been developing. "Given that it has been nearly two years and we have yet to see the first draft of a script, we have decided to no longer pursue this project with Icon," the network said in a statement. And on Sunday, talent agent Ari Emanuel, of the influential Endeavor agency, called for a boycott against Gibson in a posting on the Huffington Post blog. "People in the entertainment community, whether Jew or gentile, need to demonstrate how much is at stake in this by professionally shunning Mel Gibson and refusing to work with him."
Here the 2nd wit the apologize of Mel at the community jewish:Mel: ‘I Am Not An Anti-Semite’TUESDAY AUGUST 01, 2006 11:00AM ESTMel GibsonPhoto by: Peter Kramer / STAR MAX Mel Gibson, who was arrested Friday for driving under the influence, has issued a new statement apologizing for making anti-Semitic comments to a police officer. In a report posted on the Web site TMZ.com, Gibson is quoted as having said to the Malibu officer: "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asking the arresting officer, "Are you a Jew?" Gibson’s full statement is below:There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of Anti-Semitic remark. I want to apologize specifically to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I said to a law enforcement officer the night I was arrested on a DUI charge. I am a public person, and when I say something, either articulated and thought out, or blurted out in a moment of insanity, my words carry weight in the public arena. As a result, I must assume personal responsibility for my words and apologize directly to those who have been hurt and offended by those words. The tenets of what I profess to believe necessitate that I exercise charity and tolerance as a way of life. Every human being is God’s child, and if I wish to honor my God I have to honor his children. But please know from my heart that I am not an anti-Semite. I am not a bigot. Hatred of any kind goes against my faith. I’m not just asking for forgiveness. I would like to take it one step further, and meet with leaders in the Jewish community, with whom I can have a one on one discussion to discern the appropriate path for healing. I have begun an ongoing program of recovery and what I am now realizing is that I cannot do it alone. I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display, and I am asking the Jewish community, whom I have personally offended, to help me on my journey through recovery. Again, I am reaching out to the Jewish community for its help. I know there will be many in that community who will want nothing to do with me, and that would be understandable. But I pray that that door is not forever closed. This is not about a film. Nor is it about artistic license. This is about real life and recognizing the consequences hurtful words can have. It’s about existing in harmony in a world that seems to have gone mad.
#91. Thanks for the post, but isn’t the real important thing that Mel was driving drunk and could have killed himself or someone else? What he said is not so important — HE WAS DRUNK!!! What’s important is a life — or lives — could have been destroyed because he was driving drunk. Boycott — GIVE ME A BREAK!!! This is going to make Mel more monies than he has now. Why aren’t we Boycotting Israeli goods, etc., for what they’re doing in Lebanon? Gosh, if we’re goint to Boycott everyone who says something when they’re drunk, we migth as all stay home and watch the 700 Club!!!
#88. You are so SPOT ON!!! Thanks!! Continue keeping yourself happy and out of the dark side.
The Fall of a Hollywood Hate Mongerhttp://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=4cc1894c-0c46-49e3-9576-ddf2006f664bRead it, learn something.
I think Cliniqua, what people are objecting to is not the logic or rationale of your arguments but the tone of your "voice". In this matter, I too find the tone somewhat abrasive.I think if Mel Gibson actually said that "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" he has clearly made a RACIST statement - why? Because it is clearly untrue. There are many wars having been fought and are still being fought throughout world history that have nothing to do with Jews. To name just a few conflicts which have nothing to do with Jews - Pakistan and India over kashmir. Tutsis and Hutus in Rwanda, Vietnam war, South Korean War. If Mel gibson did make that statement it would be akin to him saying - "Blacks are responsible for all the crime in America". No one here would have any trouble calling him a Racist. This is the point that cliniqua makes and I do agree with her RATIONALE though not quite the way she puts it. I’m deliberately choosing not to use the words "anti semitic" or "anti black" "anti muslim" etc in this post because to me, discrimination based on skin colour, gender, sexual orientation between consenting adults, religion, blurs the real issue. The real issue is discrimination based on something invalid. So I’m using the word "racist" as a short hand to encompass these sorts of prejudices. To me, being a racist is one of the worst crimes because it is a crime against humanity. Whatever our race, our sexual orientation, our religion, we deserve to be judged for our contribution to society, by our kindness to those less fortunate then us, by our being good friends and good neighbours, by our honesty. To me these are the qualities that really matters in a person. Not the colour of his skin, his sexual orientation (as long as it is between consenting adults), his religion or his gender. I don’t want to go back into history to explore whether Israel should exist or not. The essential truth is that today, Israel does exist and it will not disappear. For those who argue that Israel has killed inocent civilians including 36 people in Lebanon and that is an atrocity, I agree. For those who argue that it is also an atrocity that Hezbollah can launch and has launched rocket attacks into Israel, killing innocent civilians, and hidden arms amongst civilian neighbourhoods, in schools etc, I agree. Both sides have a valid self interest that they are fighting for. IMHO, Muslims need to see that destroying Israel would involve genocide and the World - quite rightly, should never agree to that. IMHO, Israel needs to see that Muslims living in Gaza and elsewhere need a state too and that Jerusalem belongs to more then the Jews. (And yes, I know official Isreali arguments about Jerusalem but I don’t agree and I know neither do some Australian and Israeli Jews I’ve met who think it would be a good thing to make Jerusalem a UN territory governed by some council of the 3 judaic based faiths).I also think syria, Iran and other muslim countries continue to derive political mileage in supporting this conflict with Israel to the detriment of its own people. Israel is a rallying point and a distraction, preventing Syrians etc from focussing on issues such as corruption and nepotism, unemployment in their own nations.I don’t have any answers because the situation is so complex. I do know that NO PEACE is going to occur without both sides making concessions which presently, neither side can or are willing to make.
Cliniqua. Couldn’t get on site you sent? Who’s the Hate Monger? If you’re taking about Mel, he’ll pick himself up and keep on going. Hollywood is ‘Money’. As long as his pictures — and he’ll continue to make them — make money, he’ll be just fine. This will pass. Do you honestly think Hollywood cares? The rags sure don’t care, as they’ll be selling rags for months. Gee, what’s poor Jennifer Aniston going to do now that Mel will be taking her spotlight away?
Maria and Chrissy, I am not dismissing your pointof view about Christianity, but here’s the thing that puts people off of Christians sometimes… It’s the assumption by members of that faith that if you aren’t Christian then you don’t have a relationship with God, that anything that falls outside your religion is outside od God. There are plenty of people who don’t identify with Christianity but have very strong relationships with God. There are many paths to God, yet there is a tendency by Christians to assume they have the market cornered on God, and they don’t. God is everywhere and in everything. Maria, your remark about the "dark side" is a good example. You are saying anything non-Christian is bad. Can you see how that comes off sounding? I am not attacking you, I am just point out that many (not all) Christians do this without realizing it. Strict adherance to any relgion causes a certain amount of narrow-mindedness, IMO, no matter which one it is. There are many philosphers who beleive that organized relgion is one of the worst plagues ever perpetuated on mankind because it killed free thinking and ideas. Now, I don’t know if I would go that far myself, but I will say that religion is all about beleifs vs. ideas. Beliefs tend to be unyeilding and unchanging and are for people who think small, while ideas are more fluid and open and associated with deeper thinking. Give me ideas vs. beliefs anyday. People will fight and die for beliefs, and far too many ideas have been squashed out of organized religion. Maybe we would have less war and hate if we all tried to be a bit more fluid in our thinking.
Booze and BigotryMel Gibson: It Wasn’t Just the Tequila TalkingBy Eugene RobinsonTuesday, August 1, 2006; Page A17Let’s not cut Mel Gibson even the tiniest bit of slack over the ugly tirade he inflicted on the sheriff’s deputy who pulled him over in his Lexus as he roared drunkenly down the Pacific Coast Highway at nearly twice the speed limit.If anyone missed the story over the weekend, although I don’t know how that would be possible, Gibson was obnoxious, belligerent and self-important when the arresting officer pulled him over. In other words, just your average traffic stop in Malibu — until Gibson proceeded to blame the ills and injustices of the world, presumably including his own immediate predicament, on the Jews."[Expletive] Jews," Gibson said, according to a copy of the arrest report posted on the entertainment news Web site TMZ.com and later confirmed by the Los Angeles Times. "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." To the officer, he demanded: "Are you a Jew?"Gibson’s defense is one of diminished capacity. He admitted in a statement released Saturday that he had been drinking that evening and shouldn’t have been driving. He "profoundly" regrets his "horrific relapse" into the "disease of alcoholism," Gibson said. "I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable."Well, I’m sorry about his relapse, too, but I just don’t buy the idea that a little tequila, or even a lot of tequila, can somehow turn an unbiased person into a raging anti-Semite — or a racist, or a homophobe or a bigot of any kind, for that matter. Alcohol removes inhibitions, allowing all kinds of opinions to escape uncensored. But you can’t blame alcohol for forming and nurturing those opinions in the first place.Gibson’s rant sounds to me like classic anti-Semitism that goes beyond the country club, "not our sort of people" brand of casual bigotry. He seems well on the way toward some sort of full-blown "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" conspiracy theory of Jewish world domination. If you were in Gibson’s situation, no matter how inebriated or embarrassed, I doubt your first question would be whether the cop who pulled you over was a Jew. I hope not, at least.You will recall that when Gibson’s epic film "The Passion of the Christ" was criticized by some viewers for portraying Jews as scheming, hook-nosed stereotypes, Gibson replied that he was only seeking historical accuracy. You’ll also recall that when asked about his father’s claim that the Holocaust was mostly "fiction," Gibson acknowledged that some Jews did die in concentration camps but stopped short of directly repudiating dear old Dad.He did flatly deny being anti-Semitic, however, telling Diane Sawyer in a 2004 interview that "to be anti-Semitic is to be un-Christian, and I’m not." Now the only question is whether his lack of self-awareness is truly pathological or whether he was just lying. I don’t think anyone could describe his performance the other night as particularly Christian, or particularly civilized.It was timely, though.The Web site that broke the story alleges that higher-ups in the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department wanted to sanitize the report of Gibson’s arrest because his anti-Semitic remarks would be "inflammatory" given the war in the Middle East. Officials of the department deny any thought was given to a coverup and say they will conduct an investigation.The Gibson episode comes as the state of Israel continues an assault on southern Lebanon that I am convinced is brutal, disproportionate and counterproductive. The Bush administration was wrong to give Israel the green light to launch such a massive military campaign and is wrong to let Israel stall before agreeing to a proper cease-fire. More than 500 Lebanese civilians already have been killed.Like everything that happens in the Middle East, Israel’s war on Hezbollah has provoked strong feelings. After the tragic mistaken attack on Qana in which 57 civilians died, most of them children, I believe more strongly than ever that this war is a disaster for all concerned. It’s madness, and it must stop.But we shouldn’t forget that Israel exists for a reason. The Mel Gibson episode is a useful reminder that pure anti-Semitism is not a thing of the past — that there are still people who believe Jews are evil or all-powerful or whatever, and for whom Jewishness itself is an unforgivable sin. That’s amazing in this day and age but, then again, there are still people who believe that the color of a person’s skin tells them everything they need to know.******************
Mel Gibson is suicidal08.01.2006:13:02 The LA Weekly blog quotes a very reliable source this morning that claims Mel Gibson wasn’t merely intoxicated early Friday morning when he was arrested for DUI, but was also suffering from severe depression and on the verge of suicide, "because he felt he was helpless to alcohol and didn’t know what to do about it." Their source says: "That’s why he was driving around 90 miles an hour. This was a death wish. If that cop hadn’t stopped him, this guy was going to be wrapped around a pole. This is such a bigger issue than ‘Will he work again?’ This is about his not wanting to live anymore. I’ve seen what he’s gone through and what he’s going through. You have to understand the disease of alcoholism. He was back in it. There’s no doubt in my mind he was trying to kill himself that night." I read this at WWTDD.Looks like Mel has some serious demons…..
Mel Gibson’s statement in full Gibson was arrested for drink-driving in California on Friday Actor and director Mel Gibson has apologised for the anti-Semitic words he used during his arrest for drink-driving. Here is his full statement: There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of anti-Semitic remark. I want to apologise specifically to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I said to a law enforcement officer the night I was arrested on a DUI (driving under the influence) charge. I am a public person, and when I say something, either articulated and thought out, or blurted out in a moment of insanity, my words carry weight in the public arena. As a result, I must assume personal responsibility for my words and apologise directly to those who have been hurt and offended by those words. I know there will be many in that community who will want nothing to do with me, and that would be understandable The tenets of what I profess to believe necessitate that I exercise charity and tolerance as a way of life. Every human being is God’s child, and if I wish to honour my God I have to honour his children. But please know from my heart that I am not an anti-Semite. I am not a bigot. Hatred of any kind goes against my faith. I’m not just asking for forgiveness. I would like to take it one step further, and meet with leaders in the Jewish community, with whom I can have a one-on-one discussion to discern the appropriate path for healing. I have begun an ongoing programme of recovery and what I am now realising is that I cannot do it alone. This is not about a film - this is about real life and recognising the consequences hurtful words can have I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display, and I am asking the Jewish community, whom I have personally offended, to help me on my journey through recovery.Again, I am reaching out to the Jewish community for its help. I know there will be many in that community who will want nothing to do with me, and that would be understandable. But I pray that that door is not forever closed. This is not about a film. Nor is it about artistic licence. This is about real life and recognising the consequences hurtful words can have. It’s about existing in harmony in a world that seems to have gone mad. ******************Okay, just to show you - how objective I can be - and also how I, even moreso than some who proclaim to ‘practicing,’ religious folk - I have read Mel Gibson’s statement and want to say this.THERE IS HOPE FOR HIM.If he had NOT included what he had bolded I would have written him off TOTALLY, as he, even now, says he wouldn’t be surprised by.But we agree on a few points - that he needs to know where his hate comes from, and that he needs help in finding out..and also that yes, the world has gone Mad.If he does this right he could one day in the distant future, set an example about forgiveness and coming to terms with ingrained bigotry and hate taught to us by others. Basically, he needs to rat out his rat Dad. That’s where it started. So he needs to come clean right there…and oh yeah…when he finds the time…and if he thinks it’s IMPORTANT enough, address his sexist slurs as well….women are part of humanity too Mel.That is all the charity I’m will to extend to Gibson today. We’ll see if he’s serious in the coming days.
Typo - I have bolded that section of Gibson’s statement above. Not him.
Hi Dragonfly. Thanks so much for you thoughts. I never meant for anyone to think that anyone not Christian was bad, please let me make that clear right now. You’re points are well taken, and I thank you for them. I studied Islamic Law and History, so I appreciate all religions. I have visited many mosques and synagoes and have appreciated them all in their beauty and beliefs. I was raised Catholic and continue to practice, but I would NEVER think to say that my religion is better than anyone elses’, as I can go back to my religious history — The Crusades (and current) to not be so silly to say something like that. Gosh, sometimes I think it would be better to go back to the ‘gods’ way of thinking — Apollo, Zeus, Athina………..wasn’t that a better time? So much hate when ‘religion’ is concerned. Mohammed must be turning over in his grave to think the religion he started with such love people have turned into excuses to hate. I wanted so much to visit Iraq and see the museums they had on Islamic art, but then this jerk president of ours starts this war and all those beautiful things are lost. I’ve visited Turkey, Morraco, Egypt and have seen the wonders of those countries. NO, I would NEVER venture to say that non Christian beliefs are ‘dark side’, and if it came across that way, then please accept my apology. I love your statement ‘fluid in our thinking’. I so agree with that. Again, thanks!
Even Mel Gibson understands there’s no defense for what he did. At this point, that’s all that matters to me. I have always avoided religion and politics on blogs because frankly, it is one of the issues that people will never agree on.
For the first time i and african girl are agreed, religion and politics are thing that people will never agree on. For Mel i am agreed with Maria the real important thing was the drive drunken not the comments "racist"
AnonimoLol….for the first time? Oh c’mon….we must have more in common than this. So does this mean you’re not a BAMZS fan?
Maria, thank you so much for your thoughtful response! I really agree with you about the lost art and architecture in Iraq. Baghdad was once a cultural center since the ancient times and now it is a barren wasteland. It makes me very sad, especially since America had such a heavy hand in destroying it.I, too, feel that it would be wonderful to go back and reclaim some of the ideas of the Greeks. Their society was based on the idea of individualism and live and let live, vs. the Romans who were more about the team concept of divide and conquer….individual ideas did not matter.I think it is wonderful that you have studied other religions besides your own. My own mind really opened up once I started to do that. I think the fact that most Americans don’t take the time to do that is what keeps us all ignorant, hating, and afraid of each other. There are alot of people who feel that if they study another religion it will somehow weaken their faith, and there are even some clergy who discourage reading any "secular" literature. I feel that only good can come of expanded study, because either A) it will strengthen your existing faith, or B) it will possibly show you another path to God, and what’s wrong with that? Again, thank you!
Great photo of Mel on BuzzFoto. I think mel is a total ass for his comments and no amount of apology should ever help him.
YEAH! PARIS HILTON (ON VIDEO!!!!!!!!) CALLED TWO GUYS N****R.NO ONE SAID ANYTHING. NO PROTESTS. PEOPLE STILL INVITE HER TO THEIR PARTIES.MEL GIBSON SAYS ANTI-JEWISH WORDS AND THE WHOLE WORLD IS UPSIDE DOWN.INTERESTING HUH? PEOPLE ARE SUCH HYPOCRITES!
Here is a link that should give you pause re the Qana bombing:http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,,19955774-5007220,00.htmlHow come in all the things happening in Lebanon, nobody ever blames Hezbollah? Why is it always Israel’s fault when they fight back against its aggressors? Mel just echoed what most people here are thinking. But there’s something everybody should remember: The Jews are God’s chosen people. They’ve been on this earth even before the Christians, Budhists and Muslims were ever born. You just can’t wish them away or push them out to sea without incurring God’s wrath. Israel is their promised land. The Palis were never mentioned.
If an anti-Muslim comment was made - no one would bat an eye.There is an unfair way that racism towards Jews is given more attention than racism against other people like Blacks and Muslims.I agree with the poster above, I don’t see Hollywood up in arms and boycotting Paris Hilton for saying an anti-Black comment.She is a bigger star now than ever before. Hollywood is run by A rich Jewish community and they protect their interests at all cost.Racism of any kind is horrible but how hypocritical of Hollywood to be so angry at anti-Semitic comments a drunk dumb Hollywood actor makes but not be up in arms that innocent children and women were bombed and murdered by Israel this past Sunday (60 people so far! in one day).Shame on all of us.
And for all those bleeding hearts who think that Israelis are such monsters, read this:http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3284514,00.htmlWho are the monsters now?
# 104 | African Girl # 111 | Humans are Awful….ITA….to both of you# 110 | the real tita …no offense…but where it was say that the jews are the only children of God and israel is their land??? who wrote this story???are we, the non-jews, not children of God??i know he made a mistake by uttering those not-politically correct words and of him being drunk but you guys are comparing him to the hezbollahs??? if we think about what’s going on in the midddle east….who are at fault….is it only the hezbollahs?? not israel because they are the children of God???anyways…before this comes into a big argument…and i am not going to defend MG coz i know that what he did is wrong but making him a poster boy for anti-semitism is a bit much….imo
REAL TITA I AM JEWISH AND I AM APPALLED APPALLED BY YOU COMMENT THAT JEWSIH PEOPLE ARE "CHOSEN" PEOPLE"…CHOSEN BY WHOM? AND IF WE ARE CHOSEN, WHAT ABOUT OTHER RELIGIONS AND THE REST OF THE WORLD???? ARE OTHER PEOPLE NOT CHOSEN?THIS IS THE KIND OF MENTALITY THAT CREATES DIVISION, WAR, HATRED, INTOLERANCE - WHEN ONE PEOPLE ARE CLAIMED TO BE SUPERIOR THAN OTHERS BY SOME DIVINE ORDER.HERE ARE TRULY CHOSEN PEOPLE:MOHATMA GHANDI (NOT JEWISH)MOTHER THERESA (NOT JEWISH)NELSON MANDELA (NOT JEWISH)JESUS (JEWISH)THE WHITE CIVIL RIGHTS PROTESTERS (MANY JEWISH)MARTIN LUTHER KING (NOT JEWISH)BUDDHA (NOT JEWISH)PEOPLE ARE NOT CHOSEN BY GOD - PEOPLE CHOOSE GOOD. AND WHEN YOU CHOOSE GOD YOU FIGHT FOR HUMANITY, YOU CARE FOR HUMANITY, YOU STEP UP TO THE PLATE, YOU EMBRACE ALL KINDS. THAT IS A "CHOSEN" PERSON. IT CAN HAPPEN TO ANYONE - WE ALL HAVE THE POWER IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THE WORLD.ALSO, JEWISH PEOPLE WERE NOT THE FIRST PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH AS YOU CLAIM. BLACKK SOUTH AFRICANS WERE - IF YOU CHECK HISTORY YOU WILL FIND THIS AS FACT. AND THESE AFRICANS WERE PRACTICING RELIGIONS LONG BEFORE KNOWN RELIGIONS EXISTED.WE NEED TO OVERCOME THIS COCKY CLAIM THAT GOD ONLY SEES SOME OF US. ISLAM, JUDAISM, BUDDHISM, AFRICAN RELIGIONS, HINDUISM, CHRISTIANITY , NATIVE AMERICAN RELIGIONS - ALL OF THEM ARE VALID WAYS OF CONVERSING WITH GOD. HOW DO SOME HUMANS CLAIM TO CATEGORICALLY KNOW HOW TO GET TO GOD? NONE OF US KNOW. UNTIL THEN, STAY ON THE PATH OF GOOD AND NON-JUDGMENT AND WE WILL NOT FALTER.COMMENTS LIKE YOURS ARE AT THE BASE OF WARS AND HATRED. WARS START WITH SOMETHING THAT SMALL, YOU KNOW.NONE OF US ARE CHOSEN. WE ARE ALL GOD’S CREATION. AND MEL GIBSON’S COMMENT IS WRONG BUT SO IS IGNORING 60 INNOCENT CHILDREN AND WOMEN KILLED BY ISRAEL.THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL KNOWS WHAT IT IS LIKE TO LOSE CHILDREN TO THE THIRD REICH DURING WWII, HOW COULD WE DO IT TO OTHER PEOPLE’S CHILDREN?TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE A RIGHT.LISTEN TO AIR AMERICA RADIO ON THE AM DIAL. THEY AHVE GREAT PROGRESSIVE THINKING JEWISH FOLKS ON THERE WHO DO NOT SUPPORT THE KILLING OF INNOCENT LEBONESE IN THE NAME OF GOD.GOD NEVER KILLS HATEFUL HUMANS DO.
I am a Christian, and even though I don’t not agree with what Mel said at all I still forgive him for his actions and his awful behavior towards Jews. This is because he has asked for forgiveness. Unless any of you are able to walk on water, you should not be judging him. Look at your own lives and see if you have done something to deeply offend a religion, or race. I am pretty sure some of you have, maybe not to the extent that he has done. It might not have been directly towards the person of that religion or race but still people are affected. I am not condoning his behavior in the least, because I think that is awful what he did. As a Christian it is very disheartening that some people might think that all Christians have the tendency to act like Mel did, which a lot of them aren’t. He is human and does make mistakes. Mel has asked for forgiveness and I believe that those that do believe what he believes should forgive him. This does not mean forget. As for Hollywood, that is a whole different story. People in this business take controversy and keep hold of it until that person, in this case Mel, is crucified, which I think is incredible wrong. People are human and to expect them not to screw up is unrealistic as far as I am concerned. Think what you want but also keep in mind this. What if you, for whatever reason, did something to offend a religion, race, or whatever? Would you want people to crucify you or would you want forgiveness, if you asked for it. I am not trying to sound preachy but I am just saying what I truly believe.
Dragonfly. Thanks back at ya! When I was young I dreamed of seeing the pyrmids and visiting the Temple of Abu Simbel in Egypt. I told my priest that I wanted to visit Egypt. He told me to work hard, save my money and that one day my dream would come true. Well he was right. When I finally visited and stood in front of Abu Simbel, the tour director came and asked why I was crying. Well, I hadn’t noticed that I was crying. To see something that was built thousands of years ago, by people who worshipped ‘gods’ and not one god, was amazing. To be American is to understand that we come from all places — none of us are 100% American, as our families are all from somewhere else. Americans need to understand — as other countries that we must, and I say MUST try and understand those that are not like us. Religion, to me, at least, is something personal that should make us happy and fill our lives with wonder. We shouldn’t get on a horse and burn down buildings and kill children because we think ‘our’ religion is better — again, look at the Crusades. The Romans killed thousands of Muslims in the name of God. They killed children by slamming their heads against walls. IN THE NAME OF RELIGION!!! I’m Catholic, I love being Catholic, but I’m also not going to turn a blind eye to those in my religion who have done hateful things. This is why I think we all should go back to worshipping the ‘gods’. Apollo (for music), Diana (for the hunt), Athina (wisdom), Venus (love). HA! HA! You take care and let’s light a candle to ‘the gods’ to help us all understand those different than us better and love them the same. Isn’t that what religion teaches us?
114 | TO REAL TITAyour words i have touched my heart. They are very true and very well said. For african girl i am not bamzs fan but this here isn’t the point. This thread is for the arrest of Mel Gibson and his comments racist on the jews. Other celebrities are out from this thread. And jjoy you are right Mel isn’t hezbollah, he has wronged but he not use home civils how base to lunch missile in Israel, and however the war between Israel and the Hezbollah isn’t joined with this fact.
#113: jjoy, no offense taken. I’m a Catholic but I don’t think that you have to be Christian to be saved or be a child of God. However, I’ve always heard that thing about being the chosen by God and Israel as being the promised land. Not a big bible reader but I’m guessing it’s from the Old Testament. Maybe someone here on this thread is a Jew or knows history so they can explain it better.
This thread better post after post, i believe that is the first time from when i visit jj that in a thread i read every post without fell me bad. Thanks everyone for this.
# 117 | anonimo …i know…his situation is not related to what’s going on in that part of the world….his opinion is….he has his bias opinion/beliefs as all of us….but because he was in a limelight….some of us keep pummeling him until he hurts no more….except of course rachel green…i can pummel her till she’s gone in holly weird scene….i am not defending MG at all….we all make mistakes and he accepted that he made a mistake and he was blindly drunk….what can you expect from a drunk person???…lucidity??? that he is in his right mind??? cmon….anyways…i still like him….MG…be strong man….you still have me as your fan…so be it!!
#114: HEY, DON’T SHOUT AT ME! i AM NOT DEAF!If you’re a Jew, how come you are not appalled at what’s being said about your people? Did you just convert or are you for real the descendant of Jews? Geez, why don’t you feel for your country being targeted by every Muslim for extinction? What about the people and the children that have been killed in Israel? I think Mel is just echoing what a lot of people are thinking and he’s just being his father’s son who is a known Jew hater so I’m not going to defend him. But you are despicable than anybody here. You’re a Jew and yet you think it’s okay for Muslims to say death to you everywhere you go? Why don’t you just strap on a bomb like the suicide bombers and go detonate it at a marketplace in Israel. I’m sure your people will thank you for your sacrifice. *******!
# 118 | the real tita …thanks…we are cool then…i have no patience about politics and religion coz imo….both are the causes of war so this is my last comment about MG….still like him despite his bad/bias beliefs/opinions….i’m going to go to my fav thread….my chickie babe/bamzs…see you there!!!
I TYPE IN CAPS BECAUSE IT IS QUICKER FOR ME, IT IS NOT A SHOUT."#114: HEY, DON’T SHOUT AT ME! i AM NOT DEAF!If you’re a Jew, how come you are not appalled at what’s being said about your people? "———————–YOU CLEARLY ARE NOT PAYING ATTENTION TO THE MOST FAMOUS AND MOST FOLLOWED JEW IN THE WORLD.JESUS SAID : TURN THE OTHER CHEEK.HE SAID LOVE THY NEIGHBOR, LOVE YOUR ENEMY.YES, JEWS HAVE BEEN OVER TIME PERSECUTED. I HOPE OUR PERSECUTION DOES NOT BLIND US FROM UNDERSTANDING WHEN WE ARE WRONG.I SAW A GREAT BUMPER STICKER RECENTLY: "WHY DO WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILL TO TEACH THEM THAT KILLING IS WRONG"BECAUSE I AM PROUD OF MY JEWISH HERITAGE, I EXPECT MORE FROM IT. I EXPECT ISRAEL TO ACT IN A MANNER OF PEACE AS MANY HAVE ACTED UPON US WHEN IT WAS TIME TO HELP US.I BELIEVE IN PEACE ALWAYS. JUST BECAUSE WE ARE BOMBED DOES NOT JUSTIFY US BOMBING.AMERICA WAS ATTACKED ON 911 (AWFUL) BUT I AND THOUSANDS OF OTHERS DO NOT CONDONE OUR KILLING OF INNOCENT IRAQUIS.MARTIN LUTHER KING AND GHANDI BELIEVED IN NON-VIOLENCE.I AM OFFENDED THAT YOU WOULD THINK BECAUSE I AM JEWISH AND A VICTIM OF HSTORICAL VIOLENCE THAT I CANNOT COMPREHEND THE BEAUTY AND GOODNESS OF NOT ATTACKING PEOPLE BACK.I BELIEVE IN PEACE AND NO WAR- AND ULTIMATELY THAT IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PART OF BEING JEWISH - THAT DESPITE IT ALL, I CAN STILL HAVE PEACE IN MY HEART.MY GRANDMOTHER WHO LOST HER FAMILY IN THE HOLOCAUST DOES NOT SUPPORT ISRAEL IN THIS EITHER. IF WE BECOME EXACTLY LIKE OUR ENEMY, THEN WE HAVE TRULY LOST.BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG.SO, DON’T YOU DARE!
CLINIQUA, I wasn´t equating anything here, that would be the most stuppid thing to do. People are different. The fact that you believe in the same god or belief doesn´t mean that you agree with everything.I was just wondering since someone said that the press in US is hiding important infomation about the situation in Israel. However I think it´s pretty insignificant who started the war. The situation is unbearable in both Lebanon and Israel. No one should underestimate their pain. Something has to be done, it´s been going on far too long.But I still think that Mel is a great artist and he has a point there…his last movie was a beautiful descripiton about Jesus and it sure made it clear how much he cares and loves each and every one of us. A simple piece of humanity.
You know when you read about this man’s background it’s pretty amazing he’s been this successful - considering his Dad and the actions he took with his family showed no character. I think that’s what drives Gibson to do a lot of what he does - he wants real meaning in his life - and he’s trying to obtain it by being very religious, being patriotic (to America), being very macho with the war movies (The Patriot, Unknown Soldier, etc. ) and the homophobia…but in reality his very existence is the exact opposite, his father packed up his family and left his own country - a very cowardly, squirrely and unpatriotic thing to do — Mel was a man essentially without a home, neither American really, nor Australian, plus the shame of skipping out when your country is at war - all of that drives him to be the ‘BIG MAN’ he wants to be, but never has been. I think religion is his refuge, as is being a prolific father - but at the end of the day, you are your experiences, and his unfortunately, involved his family running like scaredy cat little UNpatriotic jackrabbits so as to not get drafted. Can you imagine - what if everyone did that? LOL That shows a true lack of integrity and character - it’s not Mel’s fault - but it’s what he was brought up, running from - the shame of that. It scarred him, I’m sure. I think more than anything he ACTS OUT and AGAINST this stigma. That’s what his whole life has been about. If he could somehow tell HIS story and how that has damaged him and shaped him - how one man’s lack of integrity and hate has ruined his own child…it might be a worthwhile endeavor.
#123: So what you are saying is that Israel shouldn’t do anything to defend itself? Did they start all this violence against them, do you think? Will appeasement work now when it hadn’t for decades? If you truly believe that Muslims want peace with Israel, then you are more deluded than I thought. What do you do with people who wants you gone just because you’re you? Why are you even on this freakin’ thread if what you want in life is peace and harmony? You saw this post and wanted to show how much you hate your fellow Jews for bombing Lebanon. Do you feel better now? Not even a teeny weeny anger in your heart for the Hezbollahs who started all this and who uses children and women as human shields? You do know that they position their mortars where the civilians are for greater impact in their propaganda, don’t you? It’s said they used invalid children as pawns and it’s been noted that they used the same kid to parade around in for hours so they could get more pictures out to the world.Air America indeed. That’s all I need to know about you, you self hating Jew!
Regarding the present conflict, regardless of "who did what first", or "how long who is doing what", this war is surely creating a brand-new generation of suicide bombers and America-Israel haters. This is fantastic for Al-Qaeda. I just came back from Europe and the resentment towards Israel among ordinary people was very strong, and people weren’t shy to voice it. It made me doubt our safety living in NYC all over again since 9-11, as people would tell me things like, "Is your husband Jewish? No? Good then you are safe" etc.
Why is what Mel Gibson said so important to some people? There are children dying because of bombs, sickness and starvation, we are here discussing if Mel Gibson is anti-semitist or not. It really should not be a matter which religion the dying child has. The matter is that the dying child will never smile, run, play, go to school or have a chance to experience what we have had in the life.I like Mel Gibson and I will still. I believe that his time is not over yet. He has strong belief, and whatever he believes is his responsibility.Do we have a power to stop the war and starvation on this earth? Are we going to choose the same poeple to govern us who believe in war and don’t care about poor nation?The power is in our hand but what we do here is to discuss Mel Gibson!By the way, Jesus was a Jew!And as someoneelse also asked before me, but I would like repeat the same question, why does Jew say that he is a Jew before his nationality? Not in my country but the rest they prefer to say so.I am not aJew and I studied at Jew school in my country and most of my friends are Jew. That’s why do not start with me, OK?
Attention #23 and 30;I don’t spend all my time reading up on Hollywood sickos and I couldn’t read past #30. I just want to make a suggestion; do yourself a favor and turn your radio to AM instead of FM for a change, listen to trustowrthy sources Like Michael Savage and you’ll see that you are talking nonsense. Not only that but you sound like an idiot! If you’re so convinced that you’re right then I cahllenge you to argue with Michael Savage about the Jews controling ANYTHING at all.
Real Tita!! YOU GO GIRL!!! You put them in their place!!! Peace is such a simple word to say, but so very hard for people to do. I think both sides are hateful, just hateful. When I see children’s faces on both sides, it breaks my heart!
REAL TITA. IT MUST BE SUCH A BURDEN BEING THIS ANGRY. YOU CALL ME A SELF-HATING JEW. A CLEAR EXAMPLE THAT SOME PEOPLE WHO CLAIM THEY SIDE WITH THE JEWISH PEOPLE, HATE THEM, THE MINUTE THE JEWISH PEOPLE DO NOT MEET THEIR AGENDAS.MY GRANDMOTHER RAN & HID ESCAPING A CAMP IN EUROPE. HER FAMILY IS ALL GONE. YET SOMEHOW YOU THINK SHE STILL WOULD HAVE TO BE HATEFUL BECAUSE OF WHAT SHE WENT THROUGH?YOU KNOW WHAT, INSTEAD SHE TAUGHT MY DAD TO BE KIND. AND MY DAD MARCHED IN THE SOUTH TO FIGHT FOR CIVILL RIGHTS. THEY CALLED HIM AN N**** LOVER BUT HE DID NOT CARE, HE WAS FIGHTING FOR WHAT IS RIGHT. MY PARENTS AND FAMILY TAUGHT ME TO ALWAYS FIGHT FOR WHAT IS RIGHT EVEN IF IT IS YOUR OWN KIND.WHEN WE WERE WRONG - NO MATTER HOW MUCH OUR PARENTS LOVED US - THEY LET US KNOW.NOW ON ISRAEL: DO YOU KNOW HOW THIS BOMBING STARTED? A YOUNG 10 YEAR OLD LEBANESE GIRL WAS PICNICKING WITH HER FAMILY WAS BOMBED BY ISRAEL. AFTER HER BOMBING, HEZBOLLAH KIDNAPPED 2 ISRAELI SOLDIERS. THAT IS WHAT STARTED IT ALL.LEBANON IS A YOUNG REPUBLIC RECOVERING FROM CIVIL WAR AND THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN A CENTER OF MUCH TERRORISM - NOT LIKE AFGHANISTAN. THERE ARE LEBANESE CHRISTIANS, JEWS, AND ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. ALSO, HERE IS WHERE A LOT OF NON-JEWISH PEOPLE ARE CONFUSED: THERE ARE A LOT OF JEWISH PEOPLE WHO DO NOT SUPPORT ISRAEL’S TACTICS.THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT DOES NOT REPRESENT TRUE JUDAISM FOR ME. ISRAEL IS A MILITARY STATE WITH A LARGE ARMY WHO HAS DONE MANY WRONG THINGS. THEIR GUNS GET FUNDED BY THE US.NUMBER ONE INTERNATIONALL AID FROM THE US GOES TO ISRAEL. WHY?NOT DARFUR, NOT ETHIOPIA, NOT SOUTH AMERICA BUT ISRAEL. HAVE YOU BEEN TO ISRAEL? I HAVE. I HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS AND FRIENDS WHO LIVE THERE. ISRAEL FOR THE MOST PART IF FULL OF PROFESSIONALS AND MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE. ISRAEL IS NOT ECONOMICALLY SUFFERING THE WAY LET’S SAY EHTIOPIA IS. BUT YET IT RECEIVESTHE MOST AID FROM THE US. WHY? TO BUY BOMBS.I UNDERSTAND ISRAEL HAS BEEN ATTACKED MANY TIMES AND I REJECT THE ATTACKS ON ISRAEL. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEACE PROCESS? WHY IS ISRAEL NOT CONSIDERING THE UN? WHY DID THEY ATTACK WITHOUT THE APPROVAL OF THE UN?ALSO, I DON’T BELIEVE THAT THE LAND OF ISRAEL IS FOR ALL PEOPLE. WE CANNOT JUST CLAIM DESPITE THE ARABS WHO WERE THERE. AMERICA DID IT TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS AND IT WAS WRONG. JUST BECAUSE I AM JEWISH, I CAN’T BE FOR PEACE?
Secong question, why so far noone had cared that Mel Gibson was drunk and driving? He could have killed someone or injured. This is much more important than what he said.To people who mention that Jews are chosen by God, excuse me but this is not written like this in other sacred books which also sent by same GOD.If you chose to believe what you say, unfortunately there won’t be any peace on this earth, and unfortunately this is because the people like you exist still!!!
#127: Be sane, Europe has always been anti-Jew, not necessarily anti-Semitic which includes all Semites. It’s nothing new under the sun. If America abandons them now, (which seems to be the current feeling) how can anyone here ever live with themselvesafterwards? What is the greatest fear here…that there be more suicide bombers in the making or that they come to American shores?Sometimes you just have to take a stand because your children’s and grandchildren’s fate depend upon it. It’s not going to just go away so there’s no use trying to bury your head in the sand. It’s taken centuries of rage to come to this boiling point. So you can either defend yourself or bow to the extremists’ will, if what you want is peace. This world is doomed.
ummm I have yet to see this posted….Mel Gibson asks for help from Jewish communityFeedback from Jewish leadersGibson’s new statement was welcomed by some Jewish leaders."We are glad that Mel Gibson has finally owned up to the fact that he made anti-Semitic remarks, and his apology sounds sincere. We welcome his efforts to repair the damage he has caused," Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said in a statement. "Once he completes his rehabilitation for alcohol abuse, we will be ready and willing to help him with his second rehabilitation to combat this disease of prejudice.""I welcome his words. And I hope and pray that they are sincere and heartfelt," but Gibson needs to show "tangible actions" of repentance, said Rabbi Mark S. Diamond of the 280-member Board of Rabbis of Southern California."I don’t want to minimize for a moment the hurt and anger, the anguish, his words have created in our community," he said.
# 117 | anonimo | Jeez, I wasn’t bringing other celebrity into it. I was merely commenting on your use of "for the first Time I agree with African Girl" and since the only thread I post on is the BP and AJ thread, I figured maybe you weren’t a fan, Simple Curiosity.I totally agree that we should stick to the topic at hand.
How can Israel tell the Palestinians to get out of their land when the Palestinians were there already? Israel was created after the Holocaust. That’s great. But what about the Palestinians who were there already?That is what started all of this. Israel has to fess up to this. Israel started this in the 30’s and 40’s. Before that, the fighting between the two sides was not like this. I guess people have a hard time facing that fact cause if they do then Christians think they are going against Jesus - if they criticize Israel. Israel is no Saint.
#131: don’t you have a name of your own that I can address? I am not angry. Just disgusted with people like you who think that saying they want peace and hate wars will make everything all right. Saying both sides are wrong when one wishes the destruction of the other who do not have a choice but to defend themselves is the thing that is wrong. Did you ever try to find out why the other side hates you so? Wouldn’t you like to know before they kill you? You know they will, no matter what you do. Why do they want to wipe you off the face of the earth? Maybe you should try to find that out before you offer appeasement at all cost.
# 136 | Anon Re: Palestine/Israel, I tend to think that historically the imperial attitudes of the British drawing somewhat random lines in the sand creating artificial borders (also in Pakistan/Afganistan) has messed up a lot of people.
He’s an arrogant *******. He’ll never get off the sauce.
#138 Be SaneI agree. That whole mess was started by the British, who also carved up India, and several Arab states, and did not recognize that there is a difference between a Persian and an Arab, and that Shiites and Sunnis and Sikhs are all different, too. But, don’t forget that at the time, the Palestinians had a chance to have a homeland, too, and rejected it in favor of no Israel at all, which wasn’t a choice.But that’s the past, and now we must deal with the present and look to the future. And *** for tat and pointing fingers at who started it isn’t getting anyone anywhere. All parties involved must realize they are all there, going to stay there, and they have to learn how to coexist. They don’t have to be best friends — many nations in the Middle East are not friendly with each other — but they have to learn how to coexist peacefully.But that’s for another blog. This is about Mel Gibson, and I must say I’m very glad about his latest statement, if he meant it and it wasn’t what a publicist told him to say.
THE REAL TITA: I AM OFF BUT I LEAVE YOU WITH MY FAVORITE BUMPER STICKER RIGHT NOW:"WHY DO WE KILL PEOPLE WHO KILL TO TEACH THEM THAT KILLING IS WRONG?"PEACE,ANNE
All I am going to say is this:Let say today 3 people died. One is Jew. Another is Catholic. And a third is Muslim. We can all agree with that TODAY was their day. Their last day on this earth. And that whomever chose this particular day is the one and only God/Allah.If God had a "chosen" one by all means he could add a couple of days to the life of that special one.Bottom line is, regardless of our religion, WE ALL GOING TO DIE ONE DAY. We have THAT MUCH IN COMMON with each other regardless of whether or not we are Catholic, Christians, Jew or Muslim. So WHY THE FREAKIN KILLING each other undercover of religion and this "us"vs"them" mentility - I am Christian and he/she is the other. In the end we shall all die…meaning God doesn’t give a hoot whose who. Otherwise, he would be selective in keeping some living forever and ever.It is times like this I think it is best to be an Atheist. And I am Jew!
#100 Cold Hard Math — thanks for the article. What is wwtdd? Very sad for Mel - but spiritually speaking a very good place — he may be ready to get his prayers answered. How is your fanfic coming along? Anything new - haven’t checked since last night "telling the kids"
Mel is simply an idiot with a drinking problem, people who are drunk tend to have major foot-in-mouth disease which is obviously what happened here.As for the Israel/Jews vs Lebanon. I wouldn’t put it on the Jews for this. Just because a few Jews are involved in a conflict doesn’t mean they’re wholly at fault. If you want to get technical, the Lebanese started it. Hezbollah are viscious f#cks and Israel had enough. So they fought back. Obviously they’ve gone overboard but they’d had enough after years of torture. I wouldn’t put it againt the Jew population simply because a country is standing up for themselves.
Oh CLINIQUA #52, you crack me up. Stick to the BAMZS threads. Israel was created at the end of WW2, it was called the Partition of Palestine, which is why the Pali’s and their brethren Muslims are so f’ing pissed — and that was closer to 60 years ago girl — have you had your world history yet in high school? (I won’t even touch college with ya, cuz not sure about that edu)#104 African Girl LMAO again, that’s why you stay away from the reli/poli threads, cuz no one will agree? Then why do you and your bff’s jump down the friggin throat of everyone who presents a calm yet differing post about B/A? No logic there.Stick to your double-digit IQ idols with whom you have in common a sub-level of learning and irony when you speak.
Stick to your double-digit IQ idols with whom you have in common a sub-level of learning and irony when you speak. # 145 | voiceofedu ==================i guess you have a 1-digit IQ.
#146 — Woooowwww, what a stinging put down. Yeah, I can hardly type right now with my IQ of 7, but I’m trryyiingg!
I normally do not comment. I just read them, this time I believe it is pertinent that I interject. Mel Gibson is very much an anti-semite as well as offensive. I am a Yahudee which is a JEW. Not all Israelites are JEWs. Not all JEWs in Hollywood are true JEWs. The "Passion of Christ" was definitely an outsider’s interpretation of YAHSHUA. There were way too many inconsistencies in the movie. The movie was embellished for pure entertainment. That is offensive to a true JEW. YAHSHUA was definitely a JEW, he was a descendant of David, who came down the line of YAHUDAH (Judah). YAHSHUA is the LION OF YAHUDAH. That direct line makes YAHSHUA a YAHUDEE which is a JEW (english). In life, people reap what they sow. Mel Gibson is reaping and he is going to keep on reaping no matter what is discussed on this website. People ought to be very careful when they are painting the wrong picture of YAHSHUA and getting paid for it. And for the record I happen to think Cliniqua is right on. Mel Gibson is a bigot and he was extremely impolite to the female officer. He needs to do jail time for insubordination.
To #148, I think Mel Gibson is a pompous, myopic, hypocritical ass. I also think that Israel was created in the 40’s. I also think that some BAMZSers need to hold up a mirror sometimes. And I also think some issues are incredibly complex and need level-headed, shades-of-grey thinking.
# 148 | Aleezah =============Isn’t Israel a Jewish state?
Hey ‘voice of k-fed u’, are you really that brain damaged, or having just run over to Wikipedia and furiously jacked off in all the excitement of discovering your chronological timeline for the Israeli govt., that you felt you just had to share? I see…you were feeling so proud of your basic search skills, you thought you’d present them with a flourish to an amazed and stunned crowd. Poor fucktard, you forgot one thing — CONTEXT. You have none. Get with the program dear, the rest of us are having a conversation and your contribution is irrelevant. Congrats genius. Let me know when you might actually want to join in on the conversation the rest of us were having, and in the meantime you might want to work on your comprehension skills, which right now, have been assessed at zip, nada, nil. One more time…and I’ll talk S-L-O-W…..The point is that slandering a people that have existed for thousands of years has **** to do with a government that has existed only since the mid 20th century. Can you grasp that concept now, or are you still flush from your Wiki victory?? Context and comprehension dear, you can’t get out of 9th grade without mastering both. Try to follow along next time.
To #149Israel became a state in the "40s". Yisraelites are the descendants of Yisrael, as in the 12 tribes of Yisrael. You are correct this is a complex situation which requires level headedness in addition to major studying of The Holy Scriptures and/or Tanakh.
# 72 | remember da truth FYI You´re making a sad immage of yourself and you couldn´t be more wrong! I used to like comments in BPC but now I´m just seeing her true side. Who in hell can be so hateful and mean and speak the truth about things that I enjoy as B&A? She lost all the credibility to me, so spare mew your moral lessons! And you CLINIQUA! Face it! You´re showing your damn nature! At least I´m risking all your fanfictions and putting you on ignore mode on EA! THANK GOD! One less evil in the world!
# 76 | dragonfly Same goes to you. Stop making assumptions.
Oh and DO forgive me the typos, CLINIQUA. as I said before I´m not american so I don´t know what 700 is, nor I´m interested to know. So as you see it lacks me the language skills as English is not my main you know? Just breathe. Maybe will help you to get that hate off of your chest.
Hi Jared! OK, enough of Mel Gibson — where’s my dose of Brad and Angie!!!
You gotta love all these BAMZS fans who support Brangelina for their humanity then come here and spit out hatred.Yeah, very BAMZS like.Angelina: Your fans like your looks and your talent but don’t be confused : some of them have no clue of what is humanity as is clear on this thread.They really need to stick to discussions and threads about what Shiloh’s hair color is going to be,The hatred they spit out here is awful.
If 60 Jews or Israelis are bombed, America is ready to fight back, go to war, supply bombs, and get really upset.If 60 Muslims die, America thinks they deserve it.What hypocrisy. Even te media sides with Israel.Wake-up people!
To #148The Majority of people in israel are jews, but there are also many muslims and christians living in it.about the current situation with Lebanon:I think Israel has every right to defend her citizens from the attacks of the terror organization Hizbulla!you say israel is reponsible for killing many inoccent lebanese people?ok.well then what about all those MANY inoccent Israeli people who gets killed? are you forgetting them?Israel is NOT against muslims! (there were muslims people killed in "Natzrat" from the hizbulla attacks!) Israel is against TERRORIt’s a terrible war, but unfortunately during war inoccent people get killed on BOTH sides.
I think that people are being too hard on Mel Gibson for his mistakes. Have they never made one themselves?
Well lets see if mel is human……lets cut him, will he bleed? Sorry no degree in theology, But people so condesending give me a break, the man may-be many things ….he is just a man after all. who happend to make 600 hundred million on a flick, we all need to show love a little more towards each other and some should show more class and not be such a potty mouth
Poor mel..lay off him..he made a mistake…the jewson cnn forgive him…
Mel Gibson made it hard on himself. No one on this board, forced him to get drunk and make a complete fool of himself. He did it to himself. The "good news" he did not hit anyone while driving drunk. He insulted the police officers who were making an attempt to save his live and the lives of other drivers. It is difficult not to comment about him and his unacceptable behavior. When you "give him a break" chances are he will be inclined to repeat the behavior.
**********FOR THOSE WHO SAID THAT MUSLIMS HATE JEWS PEOPLE, YOUR SOOO WRONG*****AND I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU TO THINK LIKE THAT****For a Muslim, Allah is One, Eternal and Universal. He is the Creator of all mankind, the Provider for all human beings, and the Judge of all people. To Him, social status, national supermanship, and racial origin are insignificant. Before Him, all people are equal and brothers of one another.The Muslim believes in the unity of mankind with regard to the source of creation, the original parentage, and the final destiny. The source of creation is Allah Himself. The original common parentage is that of Adam and Eve. To this first parentage, every human being belongs and of it he partakes. As for the final destiny, there is no doubt in the Muslim’s mind that it will be to Allah, the Creator, to Whom all people shall return.The Muslim believes in the unity of Allah’s religion. This means that Allah does not confine His religion or favors to any particular nation, race, or age. It further means that there can be no contradiction or fundamental differences in the Religion of Allah. When all this is interpreted properly, it will leave no ground for pretended supremacy or presumptuous exclusivity. And when it is imparted into the human mind, it will provide man with a clear concept and a solid basis of human brotherhood. Because the Muslim believes in the Oneness of Allah, the unity of mankind, and the unity of religion, he believes in all the Messengers and Revelations of Allah without discrimination.A man’s struggle to fulfill his unnecessary wishes and desires are turning his life into hell. That is, man has become a slave of his personal desires. Material benefits have become his identity, wealth has become his race, social status has become his color and love of money has become his creed. In short, we can say that materialism has become the faith of a man.Social status built on materialistic basis have become very popular and will soon demolish all the positive and moral human values from the society. Materialistic people forget the values of the family system. Their pride in their caste makes them so selfish that they feel no need for permanent friends either, and continuously change friends on behalf of their benefits.The foremost requirement of the individuals is the provision of a basis for collective unity which links all the individuals into a single entity.Different concepts shape the collective unity in different communities. For example:a) Concept of Racial Unity: Individuals are unified because they belong to a particular race or tribe, and consider themselves distinct from other individuals and communities on account of this common binding factor.b) Concept of Linguistic Unity: Individuals are woven into a unity because they speak a common language and carve out a distinct identity for themselves on the basis of linguistic loyalty and affinity.c) Concept of Geographic Unity: Individuals are forged into a unity because they live in a particular area and crave for a separate status on the basis of this geographical affiliation.d) Concept of Economic Unity: Individuals are linked into a unity on account of common economic conditions and regard themselves as an independent group on the basis of their economic conjugation.e) Concept of Intellectual, Ideological Unity: Individuals are galvanized into a unity on account of their intellectual and ideological convictions, and on the basis of these views regard themselves as a separate ideological group. Their particular convictions distinguish them from other groups and confer on them a special identity of their own.Islam rejects all constricted concepts of unity. It patronizes only the intellectual and ideological concepts of unity and transforms its followers into a unity on the basis of their adherence to this concept. All other concepts do provide some basis for stringing individuals into a unity. This initial provision is the beginning of transforming a collection of individuals into a nation. Individuals cannot own guise of national life unless they are electrified by a unifying concept. Therefore, their allegiance to a particular concept of unity is essential for threading them into a well-knit community.
"for people who think small, while ideas are more fluid and open and associated with deeper thinking"since there are so called many paths & youre so tolerant why dont you allow Mel his "beliefs"???youre so open your brains fell out.AND FYI this isnt the first time Hezbollah has killed & kidnapped soldiers. this time they killed 8 soldiers & kidnapped 2.you might try getting your info straight- your bigotry is showing.why doesnt the media show the deaths of Isaelis? Anti-semitism? you bet.Anti-semitism was alive & well in the media long before Mel got drunk
First of all-I apologize for any grammar errors or the proper wording-English isn’t my native language.I know I shouldn’t respond but people people keep pushing! So:To all you "experts" on the Israeli-Hezbollah altercation-Claiming Israel "slaughter" Innocent people-SHUT UP! why do I get to tell you to? BECAUSE I’M IN THIS ALTERCATION and because if things escalate and Hezbollah go through on their threat and will not only launch approximately 100 rockets per day on the north of Israel (Like they do now-they just made a record btw-250) but also on it’s center-I COULD DIE.Sorry for venting but while I’m here-I am sick and tired of people feeling SO sorry for Lebanon the "young republic recovering from civil war" (That’s right i’m talking to you!) Just because people now like to go there on vacation to get a tan doesn’t make it a developed country or even developing-Because if said country’s prime minister is spineless and bows down to a terror group (thanks their leader for HIS sacrifice)-which basically means the Terror group runs the country (no one says anything when they enter a civilian home,leave weapons and rocket launchers on the roof and split,knowing that the Israeli air force will see it and mark the house as a threat). Now what’s your name? the jewish one who says that there are a lot of American jews with progressive thinking? This probably means yo don’t live here… so what were you saying again? I couldn’t understand-I was too busy asking myself how is it any of your business! And the other one who said that this whole thing started because a little girl?!?! THIS SHOWS HOW MUCH OF AND IDIOT YOU ARE! DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT Hezbollah WOULD DO ALL THIS BECAUSE OF A LITTLE GIRL???!!!?? THEY HAVE BEEN PLANNING THAT KIDNAPPING OPERATION FOR MONTHS YOU MORON!! what do you think they are SUPERMEN?!!?? that they could easily have access to so many IRANIAN ROCKETS??!!?? FOR THE LAST 6 YEARS THEY WERE BUSY REGROUPING AND SMUGGLING SAID WEAPONS AND GAINING SUPPORT FROM SYRIA AND IRAN. I’m still referring to you Jackass so don’t go away-Why is there such a large military??? well my humble opinion is that Syria and Lebanon still want us dead-isn’t that a shocker?!!?? maybe it’s because terrorists keep blowing themselves up in in buses and restaurants?!? but that’s just how I feel…GOD THAT FELT GOOD! THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING SO DAMN STUPID!!!BTW-I’m joining the IDF in two years-wish me luck ****** :)Now regarding the actual issue on the table-About Hollywood being hypocritical when Anti-Semitic remarks are made-I agree.That is all.
Mel’s mugshot Is one of the best I’ve seen, the worst for me was Nick Nolte and Wynonna.
first things first - fight fire with fire!! Do you really believe sitting around singing songs and holding hands will stop terrorism?? HELL NO! THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SLEEPING WITH TERRORISTS AND RECEIVED MONEY FOR THEIR B.S. GOVT. FROM THE HEZBOLLAH FOR A LONG TIME. NOW THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR STUPIDITY. IM NOT CONDEMNING THE CHILDREN OBVIOUSLY BUT WHAT WACKED OUT MORON PUTS THEIR CHILDREN RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE THE HEZBOLLAH ARE BOMBING FROM?? THIS WAS DONE FOR A REASON - TO PARADE THEM BEFORE THE WORLD AS TOTAL VICTIMS. ALL YOU SEE IS THE DAMAGE ISRAEL HAS DONE NOT WHAT THE HEZBOLLAH HAS DONE. DONT BE SUCKERS AND FALL FOR IT. THESE PEOPLE HAVE HARBORED TERRORISTS AND NOW THEY WILL GET WHAT THEY HAVE COMING. THEY ARE NOT THE POOR VICTIMS THEY APPEAR TO BE. THEY HAVE ALLOWED HATE TO FESTER AND COME TO A HEAD IN THERE OWN LAND. "IF YOU SLEEP WITH DOGS DONT BE SHOCKED WHEN YOU WAKE UP WITH FLEAS". THEY MADE THE DECISSION TO HELP THE HEZBOLLAH CAUSE TERROR IF ONLY BY ALLOWING THEM IN THEIR BEDS AND LETS NOT FORGET THEIR GOVERNMENT. NOW THEY HAVE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR STUPIDITY. ITS A SHAME THEY HAD TO BE SUCKERS BUT THEY SOLD OUT FOR MONEY FROM THE HEZBOLLAH. IF YOU HARBOR TERRORISTS YOU ARE JUST THE SAME AS THEM. IT NEVER CEASES TO AMAZE ME THAT PEOPLE FIND PITY FOR THE ONE WHOS GETTING THEIR ASS KICKED WHEN THEY WERE IN COMPLETE CONTROL OF WHAT THEY DID TO FACILITATE GETTING THEIR ASS KICKED IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND LETS NOT FORGET TO BLAME THE U.S. FOR THIS - IF WERE BREATHING - WERE GUILTY. THOSE PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS SITUATION IF THEY ACTED MORE WISELY. THE PRICE FOR FREEDOM IS NOT CHEAP!
Okay, now I do believe Mel Gibson is an anti-semite, and I am againstall forms of bigotry and will never support him again. But I alsobelieve it was the alcohol talking. Alot of us have gotten intoreally embarassing, sad, awful situations while being inebriated. Just yesterday, I did something really, really foolish at a storeafter downing two bottles of wine. It was such a coincedence thishappened because it was after I had criticized Mel Gibson for hisbehavior. It was as if my inebriated state & the ridiculous thing Idid yesterday, was a lesson. I am sorry that Mel went on his tiradeand I blame it on the alcohol. Hopefully, this incident will teachhim never to touch alcohol again and to help support Jewish people invarious ways. I am sure he feels completely humiliated and completelyregrets everything. Mel is an idiot for thinking what he does aboutJewish people and faith. But at the same time, I have toagree it was the alcohol. Despite the fact that alcohol is somewhatof a truth serum, you have to feel bad for the guy, if you’ve everbeen in or witnessed this same time of situation with alcohol. There’s only one lesson to be taught here. And that’s to never touchalcohol. Because one day, it can totally mess up your life. Iforgive Mel for his tirade, but at the same time I have lost supportfor the guy.
There’s nothing discriminatory about Mel Gibson’s remarks. He was merely expressing himself - honestly. Incidentally, there is no peace in Israel, Israel receives free American aid for their violent activities, and too many Jews are overly sensitive. Jews blame other people incessantly for even breathing the word “Jew.” This is ridiculous - chill out! Mel Gibson is a good actor and director.
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