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Mel Gibson Mug Shot
Scope out actor-director Mel Gibson’s mug shot released by the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department. This booking photo was taken early Friday after being arrested on drunken driving charges, making anti-Semitic remarks, and threatening a deputy law enforcement official. EKKS! Poor Mel!
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I completely echo what Remember da truth said. Cliniqua is very passionate and people are attacking her becasue she is so blunt and they don’t like her from other threads. When you throw in race and religion, things get rather spicy, especially on a message board when much is lost in tone and inflection. People go off on all kinds of tangents that don’t have anything to with the subject at hand. Everyone just needs to step back and take a deep breath.
Thank jj this thread become every minute more interesting than other. After thread about Brad, Angelina, Lindsay, Paris and other celebrities, finally a thread where the discussion is high. Mel has wronged, drive booze is stupid,can kill someone and hurt oneself. For his comments the alcohol can make you tell what that you neither think. This isn’t justify Mel, how i have said he has wonged and his comments are hateful, but the crucifix seem me too much
Mel Gibson is being criticized because he supposedly said "******* Jews". I agree that he made a mistake and this should not be taken lightly?However, I cannot understnad why no single Jew (e.g. Natalie Portman) has come out and condemn the murderous behavior of their Israeli brothers who are now on a rampage killing innocent children in Lebanon?Why is the ADL condemning Mel for a racist comment and yet ignoring the evil acts and atrocities committed by Jews of Israel in Lebanon?just asking….
# 47 | jen Whoever said Jesus was not a Jew is also drunk. Where did you get your Theological degree, The Disney Institute? Mel has seven children.
Just asking, I read that he said more than that, even asked the arresting cop if he was Jewish. Alcohol only amplifies who you really are.
Thanks #79 i don’t remember exactly the number of the children.
mell is all over the news, I have know idea whats in his mind but his movies are epic, and I loved Brave heart, The Passion was intense for me I fast forward all the bloody parts, the end of the movie when Mary says to jesus (my flesh of flesh, my heart of hearts let me die with you!) broke me down and I cried like a baby
# 80 | dragonfly Alcohol only amplifies who you really are.I don’t think this, alcohol make tell you anything and time you don’t think neither the half of what you say.
I think Mel Gibson staged his own arrest by the LA police. He made sure that the incident will become a BIG news … and he succeeded. Now everybody knows that he has a forth coming movie the "ACALYPTO".
Well anonimo, I say that because you tend to drop your inhibitions and you don’t edit yourself when you are drunk. Not everyone is that way, but alot of people are. I guess I should have qualified my statement by saying "most people". Now money, always, always, amplifies who you really are. Just look at all the jerks running around who have won alot of money in the lottery. So, maybe the alcohol is only part of it. Maybe it is that he is a rich drunk, so he really doesn’t keep himself in check.
Cliniqua. If you can tell me to my face, then I respect that. I see how passionate you are about things, but the ‘naughty’ language is what turns me off. We have a President in the US right now, put there by ‘Christian’ groups because he used the ’scare’ tactics and look what’s happened to what once was a ‘respected’ country. So, I promise to read all your comments, but hope that you won’t use such ’strong, naughty’ language next time.
Maybe you have right dragon, i don’t know mel, i am not a fan and how i said before he has wronged in everything, from drive booze at the comments inapropriate on Jews (bigoty). Now he went in rehab and i hope that this work on. For his bigoty or prejudice if he isn’t changed since now he will change never. But i don’t think that hate him will make you better. Thank jj for this thread.
I don’t get some people’s point of view on Christianity. I guess we can only go by what WE ourselves hold true in our hearts. Correct me if I’m wrong, but I always thought that if you claim to be a christian, that doesn’t mean that you are claiming that your perfect. It means your saying that you need GOD in your life because you are far from perfect. I claim to be a christian, -not because I’M PERFECT, but because I NEED ALL THE HELP I CAN GET in life. I mess up all the time. I’ve delt with alcohalism and everything else you can think of. It’s a hard thing, but I got through it. Thank GOD I didn’t have every Joe in america passing judgment on me.
# 84 | conspiracy theory | August 1, 2006 11:07 AMHe almost risked killing someone & even himself, for publicity?
Yeah, I don’t agree that this was for publicity. I mean he’s the richest guy in Hollywood, what does he need to prove?
Here two article that talk about the comments express from mel. They are both from People, in the first is the officer of the police of Los Angeles that talk of the arrest:Officer Didn’t Want to ‘Ruin’ Mel’s CareerTUESDAY AUGUST 01, 2006 09:15AM ESTBy Stephen M. SilvermanAs controversy rages over whether police tried to cover up anti-Semitic remarks Mel Gibson allegedly made after his Friday arrest, the officer who detained him says he didn’t want to harm Gibson’s career. "I don’t take pride in hurting Mr. Gibson," Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Deputy James Mee told the Associated Press Monday. "What I had hoped out of this is that he would think twice before he gets behind the wheel of a car and was drinking. That would be my hope that this would accomplish that. I don’t want to ruin his career. I don’t want to defame him in any way or hurt him." In a report posted on the Web site TMZ.com, Gibson is quoted as saying, "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asking the arresting officer, "Are you a Jew?" Mee, a 17-year Sheriff’s Department veteran who is Jewish, told the Associated Press, "That stuff is booze talking. … If you are high-strung person, it’s going to amplify that and all the bad things are going to come out." On Saturday after his arrest, Gibson issued a statement apologizing for his behavior, and on Monday, Gibson’s rep announced that the actor had sought treatment for alcoholism. The impact on Gibson’s career may have already begun. On Monday, ABC announced it had canceled plans for a miniseries about the Holocaust that Gibson’s Icon Productions had been developing. "Given that it has been nearly two years and we have yet to see the first draft of a script, we have decided to no longer pursue this project with Icon," the network said in a statement. And on Sunday, talent agent Ari Emanuel, of the influential Endeavor agency, called for a boycott against Gibson in a posting on the Huffington Post blog. "People in the entertainment community, whether Jew or gentile, need to demonstrate how much is at stake in this by professionally shunning Mel Gibson and refusing to work with him."
Here the 2nd wit the apologize of Mel at the community jewish:Mel: ‘I Am Not An Anti-Semite’TUESDAY AUGUST 01, 2006 11:00AM ESTMel GibsonPhoto by: Peter Kramer / STAR MAX Mel Gibson, who was arrested Friday for driving under the influence, has issued a new statement apologizing for making anti-Semitic comments to a police officer. In a report posted on the Web site TMZ.com, Gibson is quoted as having said to the Malibu officer: "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world," and asking the arresting officer, "Are you a Jew?" Gibson’s full statement is below:There is no excuse, nor should there be any tolerance, for anyone who thinks or expresses any kind of Anti-Semitic remark. I want to apologize specifically to everyone in the Jewish community for the vitriolic and harmful words that I said to a law enforcement officer the night I was arrested on a DUI charge. I am a public person, and when I say something, either articulated and thought out, or blurted out in a moment of insanity, my words carry weight in the public arena. As a result, I must assume personal responsibility for my words and apologize directly to those who have been hurt and offended by those words. The tenets of what I profess to believe necessitate that I exercise charity and tolerance as a way of life. Every human being is God’s child, and if I wish to honor my God I have to honor his children. But please know from my heart that I am not an anti-Semite. I am not a bigot. Hatred of any kind goes against my faith. I’m not just asking for forgiveness. I would like to take it one step further, and meet with leaders in the Jewish community, with whom I can have a one on one discussion to discern the appropriate path for healing. I have begun an ongoing program of recovery and what I am now realizing is that I cannot do it alone. I am in the process of understanding where those vicious words came from during that drunken display, and I am asking the Jewish community, whom I have personally offended, to help me on my journey through recovery. Again, I am reaching out to the Jewish community for its help. I know there will be many in that community who will want nothing to do with me, and that would be understandable. But I pray that that door is not forever closed. This is not about a film. Nor is it about artistic license. This is about real life and recognizing the consequences hurtful words can have. It’s about existing in harmony in a world that seems to have gone mad.
#91. Thanks for the post, but isn’t the real important thing that Mel was driving drunk and could have killed himself or someone else? What he said is not so important — HE WAS DRUNK!!! What’s important is a life — or lives — could have been destroyed because he was driving drunk. Boycott — GIVE ME A BREAK!!! This is going to make Mel more monies than he has now. Why aren’t we Boycotting Israeli goods, etc., for what they’re doing in Lebanon? Gosh, if we’re goint to Boycott everyone who says something when they’re drunk, we migth as all stay home and watch the 700 Club!!!
#88. You are so SPOT ON!!! Thanks!! Continue keeping yourself happy and out of the dark side.
The Fall of a Hollywood Hate Mongerhttp://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=4cc1894c-0c46-49e3-9576-ddf2006f664bRead it, learn something.
I think Cliniqua, what people are objecting to is not the logic or rationale of your arguments but the tone of your "voice". In this matter, I too find the tone somewhat abrasive.I think if Mel Gibson actually said that "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world" he has clearly made a RACIST statement - why? Because it is clearly untrue. There are many wars having been fought and are still being fought throughout world history that have nothing to do with Jews. To name just a few conflicts which have nothing to do with Jews - Pakistan and India over kashmir. Tutsis and Hutus in Rwanda, Vietnam war, South Korean War. If Mel gibson did make that statement it would be akin to him saying - "Blacks are responsible for all the crime in America". No one here would have any trouble calling him a Racist. This is the point that cliniqua makes and I do agree with her RATIONALE though not quite the way she puts it. I’m deliberately choosing not to use the words "anti semitic" or "anti black" "anti muslim" etc in this post because to me, discrimination based on skin colour, gender, sexual orientation between consenting adults, religion, blurs the real issue. The real issue is discrimination based on something invalid. So I’m using the word "racist" as a short hand to encompass these sorts of prejudices. To me, being a racist is one of the worst crimes because it is a crime against humanity. Whatever our race, our sexual orientation, our religion, we deserve to be judged for our contribution to society, by our kindness to those less fortunate then us, by our being good friends and good neighbours, by our honesty. To me these are the qualities that really matters in a person. Not the colour of his skin, his sexual orientation (as long as it is between consenting adults), his religion or his gender. I don’t want to go back into history to explore whether Israel should exist or not. The essential truth is that today, Israel does exist and it will not disappear. For those who argue that Israel has killed inocent civilians including 36 people in Lebanon and that is an atrocity, I agree. For those who argue that it is also an atrocity that Hezbollah can launch and has launched rocket attacks into Israel, killing innocent civilians, and hidden arms amongst civilian neighbourhoods, in schools etc, I agree. Both sides have a valid self interest that they are fighting for. IMHO, Muslims need to see that destroying Israel would involve genocide and the World - quite rightly, should never agree to that. IMHO, Israel needs to see that Muslims living in Gaza and elsewhere need a state too and that Jerusalem belongs to more then the Jews. (And yes, I know official Isreali arguments about Jerusalem but I don’t agree and I know neither do some Australian and Israeli Jews I’ve met who think it would be a good thing to make Jerusalem a UN territory governed by some council of the 3 judaic based faiths).I also think syria, Iran and other muslim countries continue to derive political mileage in supporting this conflict with Israel to the detriment of its own people. Israel is a rallying point and a distraction, preventing Syrians etc from focussing on issues such as corruption and nepotism, unemployment in their own nations.I don’t have any answers because the situation is so complex. I do know that NO PEACE is going to occur without both sides making concessions which presently, neither side can or are willing to make.
Cliniqua. Couldn’t get on site you sent? Who’s the Hate Monger? If you’re taking about Mel, he’ll pick himself up and keep on going. Hollywood is ‘Money’. As long as his pictures — and he’ll continue to make them — make money, he’ll be just fine. This will pass. Do you honestly think Hollywood cares? The rags sure don’t care, as they’ll be selling rags for months. Gee, what’s poor Jennifer Aniston going to do now that Mel will be taking her spotlight away?
Maria and Chrissy, I am not dismissing your pointof view about Christianity, but here’s the thing that puts people off of Christians sometimes… It’s the assumption by members of that faith that if you aren’t Christian then you don’t have a relationship with God, that anything that falls outside your religion is outside od God. There are plenty of people who don’t identify with Christianity but have very strong relationships with God. There are many paths to God, yet there is a tendency by Christians to assume they have the market cornered on God, and they don’t. God is everywhere and in everything. Maria, your remark about the "dark side" is a good example. You are saying anything non-Christian is bad. Can you see how that comes off sounding? I am not attacking you, I am just point out that many (not all) Christians do this without realizing it. Strict adherance to any relgion causes a certain amount of narrow-mindedness, IMO, no matter which one it is. There are many philosphers who beleive that organized relgion is one of the worst plagues ever perpetuated on mankind because it killed free thinking and ideas. Now, I don’t know if I would go that far myself, but I will say that religion is all about beleifs vs. ideas. Beliefs tend to be unyeilding and unchanging and are for people who think small, while ideas are more fluid and open and associated with deeper thinking. Give me ideas vs. beliefs anyday. People will fight and die for beliefs, and far too many ideas have been squashed out of organized religion. Maybe we would have less war and hate if we all tried to be a bit more fluid in our thinking.
Booze and BigotryMel Gibson: It Wasn’t Just the Tequila TalkingBy Eugene RobinsonTuesday, August 1, 2006; Page A17Let’s not cut Mel Gibson even the tiniest bit of slack over the ugly tirade he inflicted on the sheriff’s deputy who pulled him over in his Lexus as he roared drunkenly down the Pacific Coast Highway at nearly twice the speed limit.If anyone missed the story over the weekend, although I don’t know how that would be possible, Gibson was obnoxious, belligerent and self-important when the arresting officer pulled him over. In other words, just your average traffic stop in Malibu — until Gibson proceeded to blame the ills and injustices of the world, presumably including his own immediate predicament, on the Jews."[Expletive] Jews," Gibson said, according to a copy of the arrest report posted on the entertainment news Web site TMZ.com and later confirmed by the Los Angeles Times. "The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." To the officer, he demanded: "Are you a Jew?"Gibson’s defense is one of diminished capacity. He admitted in a statement released Saturday that he had been drinking that evening and shouldn’t have been driving. He "profoundly" regrets his "horrific relapse" into the "disease of alcoholism," Gibson said. "I acted like a person completely out of control when I was arrested, and said things that I do not believe to be true and which are despicable."Well, I’m sorry about his relapse, too, but I just don’t buy the idea that a little tequila, or even a lot of tequila, can somehow turn an unbiased person into a raging anti-Semite — or a racist, or a homophobe or a bigot of any kind, for that matter. Alcohol removes inhibitions, allowing all kinds of opinions to escape uncensored. But you can’t blame alcohol for forming and nurturing those opinions in the first place.Gibson’s rant sounds to me like classic anti-Semitism that goes beyond the country club, "not our sort of people" brand of casual bigotry. He seems well on the way toward some sort of full-blown "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" conspiracy theory of Jewish world domination. If you were in Gibson’s situation, no matter how inebriated or embarrassed, I doubt your first question would be whether the cop who pulled you over was a Jew. I hope not, at least.You will recall that when Gibson’s epic film "The Passion of the Christ" was criticized by some viewers for portraying Jews as scheming, hook-nosed stereotypes, Gibson replied that he was only seeking historical accuracy. You’ll also recall that when asked about his father’s claim that the Holocaust was mostly "fiction," Gibson acknowledged that some Jews did die in concentration camps but stopped short of directly repudiating dear old Dad.He did flatly deny being anti-Semitic, however, telling Diane Sawyer in a 2004 interview that "to be anti-Semitic is to be un-Christian, and I’m not." Now the only question is whether his lack of self-awareness is truly pathological or whether he was just lying. I don’t think anyone could describe his performance the other night as particularly Christian, or particularly civilized.It was timely, though.The Web site that broke the story alleges that higher-ups in the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department wanted to sanitize the report of Gibson’s arrest because his anti-Semitic remarks would be "inflammatory" given the war in the Middle East. Officials of the department deny any thought was given to a coverup and say they will conduct an investigation.The Gibson episode comes as the state of Israel continues an assault on southern Lebanon that I am convinced is brutal, disproportionate and counterproductive. The Bush administration was wrong to give Israel the green light to launch such a massive military campaign and is wrong to let Israel stall before agreeing to a proper cease-fire. More than 500 Lebanese civilians already have been killed.Like everything that happens in the Middle East, Israel’s war on Hezbollah has provoked strong feelings. After the tragic mistaken attack on Qana in which 57 civilians died, most of them children, I believe more strongly than ever that this war is a disaster for all concerned. It’s madness, and it must stop.But we shouldn’t forget that Israel exists for a reason. The Mel Gibson episode is a useful reminder that pure anti-Semitism is not a thing of the past — that there are still people who believe Jews are evil or all-powerful or whatever, and for whom Jewishness itself is an unforgivable sin. That’s amazing in this day and age but, then again, there are still people who believe that the color of a person’s skin tells them everything they need to know.******************
Mel Gibson is suicidal08.01.2006:13:02 The LA Weekly blog quotes a very reliable source this morning that claims Mel Gibson wasn’t merely intoxicated early Friday morning when he was arrested for DUI, but was also suffering from severe depression and on the verge of suicide, "because he felt he was helpless to alcohol and didn’t know what to do about it." Their source says: "That’s why he was driving around 90 miles an hour. This was a death wish. If that cop hadn’t stopped him, this guy was going to be wrapped around a pole. This is such a bigger issue than ‘Will he work again?’ This is about his not wanting to live anymore. I’ve seen what he’s gone through and what he’s going through. You have to understand the disease of alcoholism. He was back in it. There’s no doubt in my mind he was trying to kill himself that night." I read this at WWTDD.Looks like Mel has some serious demons…..
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