Jon Voight Loves Shakira

AJ maked a hard decision in her life to shun a TOXIC PARENT like JV. It’s her choice to protect her inner being and her family, spritually, emontionally, mentally and physically. Toxic parents are the controllers:they use guilt, manipulaltion and over helpfulness to direct control their children’s lives. the alcoholics:live in denial and they have chaotic mood swings, their addiction leaves little time or energy for the demands of parenthood. the verbal abusers: overtly abusive or subtily sarcastic they demoralize their children with constant put downs and they rob them of their self confidence. and the worst of all the physical and sexual abusers. My guess JV is an controlling alcoholic who verbal abuse people. AJ is a strong woman and she is standing up for herself and protecting her young family. If you haven’t read the book TOXIC PARENTS by Dr. Susan Forward I highly recommed it before you make any judgements on AJ.

Now Jon Voight is an alcoholic! Anything to excuse Jolie’s unforgiving nature. He is no alcoholic, however I’ve read that Jolie drinks plenty and Pitt’s mother , Jane, is mighty upset over her nursing, er, ummm, I guess you’d call her… "nursing son’s baby momma" drinking so much. Like father, like daughter perhaps?

# 242 | lylian #248 | Human Good Post ! ITA

fr. news-leader.comDespite what the current issue of Star Magazine says, Brad Pitt is not building a house in his family’s neighborhood — or anywhere else in Springfield, says his brother, Doug Pitt. The house they picture as Brad’s is not even owned by the family."I’m upset, no question," says Doug Pitt. "It’s absolutely garbage. There is not one bit of truth to this one.""And all this animosity stuff is crap," says Doug Pitt, referring to the story’s report that his family isn’t happy with Angelina Jolie, mother of Brad’s baby, Shiloh, and the couple’s adopted children

# 253 | noni |**Great Post. Only Angelina knows how her father has hurt her .Pics and interviews of JV does not tell how he treated Angelina.

Why pick on Angie ? there’s lot of celebrity who have animosity with one their parents. Brad X was one of it. Kate Hudson, Lyndsay Lohan, Tom Cruise never talk to his dad after he left them.

Sharon Stone just adopted another child. SS (48 years old) now has 3 kids ages 6, 16 months and I think a newborn although the article did not say. Why the double standard when it comes to Angelina . Angelina was criticized when she got pregnant with Shiloh because some thought it was too soon after adopting Zahara. However nothing is being said about SS adoptions. Also if it is ok for SS to make the decision to adopt all blond/blue eye boys why can’t Angelina make the decision what the next child she adopts looks like. Just another example of how some treat Angelina different than others.Bless BAMZS

# 242 | lylian | Great Post, lylian. I’m thinking that the ‘good daughters’ argument is pretty skewed. They seem to think that just because JV goes in front of cameras and ‘plead’ his case, that he is being genuine. They think that the fact that he is willing to make a fool of himself is a sign of effort. But the cameras are trained on him for, what, like 30 seconds once every few weeks? What is he doing the rest of the time? Time, investment, and effort is what matters. If he was making inroads in his relationship with AJ, without the press and an audience present, then I would be a little more sympathetic. These good daughter ******* probably think that a certain person’s half million dollar ring to a certain X is a better gift than a certain man taking the time to create a unique design for his mistake bride. But then again, I question why the public was privy to the cost and genesis of either rings; maybe it was an attempt to prove how ’special’ a certain X was, in the eyes of these men, but I digress. Huge gestures mean nothing if there isn’t any feeling behind them. piper, with a low

# 268 | Jen vs Mom |Apparently, they made up after X’s breakup with BP, sometime between the release of Derailed and RHI. Based on tab reports, which aren’t that reliable, X bailed on a visit with her mother during the holidays and instead, went off with VV. I have no idea what is the status of their relationship, but I am sure X will keep us abreast, when it’s convenient for her. Wow, X and JV have a lot in common.I vaguely remember that the reason for the estrangement was because Mom talked about X on a talk show. People said that she say nasty stuff about her, but I haven’t found anything specific that would warrant X’s actions. And haters, if you’re going to produce evidence, I want actual, tangible articles and transcripts, not your heresay.piper, with a low

244 Juliana Truedle: I DID not say that men who leave their wives are NOT GOOD FATHERS and if I have given that impression and hurt a dad going through a divorce, I TRULY apologise. I said:"When I look at my husband, or other fathers and see how much love and care they give to their children, I truly believe it takes a special sort of A**hole for a father to abandon his children. "I’ve met plenty of husbands who have split up from their wives. They can’t stand their wives. But they love their children. Almost all of them do their utmost to have JOINT custody over their children. They have the children over at their homes half the week or very other week end or what ever arrangement they can come up with. That does not to me constitute abandonment. Merely a new arrangement to ensure the wellbeing of the children as best as they can, given that the marriage, the foundation of the family is no more. it is a wellknown fact that JV was an absentee father. JV has by his own admission said he wasn’t much present as a father. JV was not like most men I have met who make a real effort to stay connected in a substantial way to their children.That’s what makes him an *******, not that he left his wife. As for the photos, Yeah, there were lots of photos but we see the same 3 or 4 photos over and over again. Angelina with her dad at the oscars in frills or acting with him in a movie. Good photo opportunities but really, any others??? # 253 | noni | puts it so well, some parents are toxic. Toxic parents are the controllers:they use guilt, manipulaltion and over helpfulness to direct control their children’s lives. the alcoholics:live in denial and they have chaotic mood swings, their addiction leaves little time or energy for the demands of parenthood. the verbal abusers: overtly abusive or subtily sarcastic they demoralize their children with constant put downs and they rob them of their self confidence. and the worst of all the physical and sexual abusers.Toxic parents do happen. It is for this reason I have NEVER criticised Jennifer Aniston for breaking off relations with her mother. I honestly believe that it is one of the saddest thing a child can do - to feel that he or she has no option but to ‘divorce" a parent. We all long for that parent child relationship where we can believe that we are unconditionally loved by our parent. We all long for that warm, intimate relationship. I envy my friends who have this with their mothers. In my relationship with my mother, who was rather controlling and manipulative and used emotional blackmail, I had to decide whether I wanted to keep relations with her. I chose to do so and with the help of a counsellor, learnt to put boundaries with my mother, learnt to let her hurtful comments slide off me. It took me more than 5 years of conscious effort. Time and time again, I asked myself during those years, is this worth it, should I keep trying? Time and time again, I decided it was worth trying to learn how to set up boundaries to protect myself because I wanted to stay in touch with her. Because at the end of the day, my mother WAS there for me as a child and at the depths of my soul, I truly believe that she loves me. Had I chosen to "divorce" my mother, I would not have made it out of anger but rather, out of a need to protect myself and with great sadness.Similarly, I believe that when Angelina chose to cut off ties with JV, it was a very sad decision for her to make. I for one would be happy for Angelina if she does find a way to live with her DAd in her life. But it is her decision. And so far, it appears to be a healthy decision because look at her since she "divorced" her father. She doing well at work, she is not cutting, not taking drugs, not smoking, not doing anything overtly destructive. She’s pursuing her interests, has a family and BRAD PITT.

# 265 | alero Who pushes their kids out into the public eye everytime they can? Who uses their adopted kids as a commodity? I did not even know SS had adopted another kid. Good for her, she’s not using them as PR like jolie does.

JV is the one who should get help for his "mental problems."!!!

don’t think the lives of the Jolie-Pitt family will lose anything much without Jon Voight. I remember that well-known psychologist with the TV program-he’s dead now-telling one of his callers "If your parent is the source of your pain, why don’t you get yourself away from it?".Many people live with "should" and "must" ruling their lives, and consider child-parent estrangement something to be avoided at all costs. The cold hard truth is though that many parents and many children are just people too-and very hurtful. In these cases the healthy thing to do is get away from the source of hurt.Many people prefer to live with a problem and complain about it . Other people prefer to eliminate the problem-it seems to me that’s the sane thing to do.