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Cate Blanchett on Brad Pitt
“It was great to have Brad there, to have that buoyancy. Brad’s open and funny, and he makes me laugh. He makes me think about the style of a film in a way I hadn’t thought about it before. He asks questions about the script that I wouldn’t even conceive of asking. He’s a very aesthetic being, and I’m probably quite an emotional being. So for me, selfishly, he brings that out in me.” — Cate Blanchett on working with Brad Pitt on their film Babel
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I say bs to what this Tutula wrote. SJ is full of Angie fans who would like to see her tortured and lost like in her wild days. I can’t understand such ‘fans’, because obviously they are not happy, that Angie has evolved. They wish bad for her, they wish the old, self-destructing life for her. They are stuck in the past just like Fanistons.
I don’t feel selfish at all reminiscing about being single and child free-College was a wonderful time and I tell my kid now to have a great time-it’s something special about going away to school and finding friends from all over the world then living wherever they pay you the most money-I loved the post -Tulula should publish that article-I think many women relate to Angie because she is such a for real person! Just a punk kid in some tattoos! I love it!
To me the unfortunate thing is that young women find their identity in guys too soon. Actually they try to define themselves in terms of a relationship before defining themselves as individuals and it leads to mistakes, broken hearts and sometimes unhappy little kids who had no choice in who their parents are (hint hint Britney)-But overall, I have to say I love this board and the BAMZS because here we find intelligent well educated, experienced people who can hold their own with anything and anyone and it ROCKS!!!
kiki Says: December 5th, 2006 at 10:19 am - ITA….
Great writing from ‘Tulula,” but there’s only one thing wrong, the story she’s written isn’t Angelina’s.
The notion that she puts forth, that ‘Angelina’ “on her own,” has ceased to exist and is regarded only in relation to Pitt, is in reality, not only a lie, but a condescending slur. I personally, haven’t seen such a relationship of equals in the public eye, EVER. Maybe John Lennon and Yoko Ono - from what I hear anyway, they were before my time. lol
Back to Tulula….man, a therapist would have a field day with her.
I don’t know what rock Tulula was under, but Angie was married twice before. Did she cease to exist when she was with JLM? With BBT? Of course not. So why does she feel that will happen with Brad Pitt? Is it because Tulula is so wrapped up in ‘golden boy’ stereotypes, celebrity/gossip press, and pop culture, that she can’t see William Bradley Pitt behind ‘Brad Pitt,’ or is it that she’s too condescending and patronizing in her half baked theories to care?
As long as we’re sticking to sterotypes — I guess she figures JLM was *different* - due to the fact that he was some unknown brit, cockney actor - punk as Angie was, making movies about heroin. Likewise, BBT was another eccentric character and weird as Angie - freaky and old goatish. So, despite Angelina having *traditionally* married the both of them, setting up house and home, and talking about ‘forever,’ –like a LOT of “ordinary” mainstream people do, it appears that Tulula easily dismisses what Angelina wanted with those two….bizarrely enough. Somehow this is not a case of Angelina losing her personhood, only Brad Pitt has done that to Angelina, so Tulula states.
Tulula apparently sees JLM, and BBT as only a ‘means to a wild child end’ a ‘bump in the road,’ to the hard-core personhood of Angie - why if you squint real hard and shake our head around, they were not coventional ‘husbands’ with which she took ‘vows’ like every little girl dreams of (heh) at all….why they were just dudes who gave Angelina a b**tchin’ edge, eh?!! LOL
WRONG.
Angelina was prepared to live the rest of her life with them, they were her ‘husbands.’ She did it at 19, and again at 23-24. She did it more than MOST young girls her age. It was indeed the conventional thing to do - no different than some small town girl in small town anywhere, USA. So why is Tulula so quick to embrace THAT Angelina, the one who was obviously searching and lost and predictably hoping to find someone to traverse life with….yet she disses the adult who having grown up, is fortunate to have found something real and beautiful? I don’t get Tulula.
Why must THAT lost, misguided kid Angelina who married another kid (JLM), and who subsequently married a man 25 years her senior (BBT) who never really valued who and what she was at the time…WHY must THAT be the hard-core Angie that you admire…..
……..and yet this grown-up powerful woman, who is now, very obviously in a relationship of equals, with a man who not only and very obviously values her power, but is proud to say he emulates it and admires it - why is THAT, not the REAL hard-core Angelina for Tulula?
Why can’t Tulula maintain her admiration of Angelina as Pitt’s partner?
What am I missing here?
Tulula thought Angie rocked, when she let BBT paw her ass, and grab her sh*t in public, but less so, when she rides motorcycles in Alberta with Brad Pitt? Or visits Indian orphanages with him? Or has children, or creates a foundation that will fuel philanthropy named for them both, and donates a million dollars to ‘Doctors w/o Borders?’
How does the former Mrs. Thornton somehow appear just sooooo self-posessed and b**tchin’ to Tulula, while the latter Angelina Jolie, partnered with Pitt, is ‘Betty Crocker?’
Angelina has told you from the start who she was/is. I think it’s evident in the simple quote pre-Brad Pitt, (paraphrasing) “I’m sure I will live a life of great adventure, the only thing I am not sure of, is if I will do it alone.” She goes on to speak of the bittersweetness of experiencing the beauty, joy and pain of life and all that it entails and possibly not sharing that with anyone. Then says, “but if I *only* get one great love in my life, that being my son, I’ll take him.”
So in closing, I’d like to tell Tulula — look hon, she’s sharing her hopes and a perhaps a little bit of a dream with you in that quote, pre-Brad…and it’s something not so unique (the idea that we won’t traverse life alone, but share it with someone who loves us….) but she’s also telling you in the same breath, she’s not willing at this stage in the game to compromise herself (or her son) - she’s saying essentially, if it isn’t right, and it isn’t worthy - she ain’t having it…she’ll be a single mom.
My question for Tulula then becomes, why the disrespect and the vaguely demeaning outlook on Angelina’s current life, just because her love is in the package that happens to be ‘Brad Pitt?’
It’s an insult to her, and an insult to him. I see now why Brad wanted to make the film ‘Chad Schmidt’ - “Brad Pitt” is so much of an icon, of ‘Hollywood golden boy-ness’ that he constantly gets sh** for it….no one really sees him, or even CARES to see who he really is…it really is a kind of reverse ‘ism’ and discrimination in my opinion.
I know the lesbian fans of Angie initially were hard on her, for her ‘choice’ because as stated previously, a Brit punk, or wacky eccentric old goat they could deal with it — the envy factor wasn’t there. But a pretty blonde boy from Missouri, who’s become the epitomy of Hollywood masculinity and beauty over the years…the ‘Robert Redford’ of his day?! I’m sure they were thinking….’Oh hell noooooo, not our Angie…she wouldn’t dare be so…so…OBVIOUSLY het in her choice would she?? LOLOL
I think the phenomenon that surrounds Angie with some, is that they see her as this creative hard-core eccentric rebel of a woman, the equivalent of ‘a rock star’ and they see Brad as the stereotypical ’super model’ hook-up. lol They are/were disappointed in AJ’s choice….and while many have come around, and are freeing their minds, opening them up to Brad…
….there are still a few out there, theorizing, and waxing poetic about ‘the old Angie,’ and smirking at Brad….like Tulula.
To some, Tulula included: Angelina is Mick Jagger and Brad is Jerry Hall. Or even worse, Angelina is Elvis and Brad is Ginger Thompson. LOL
Look, if Brad Pitt had only 50 cents to his name Angie would still be with him. If he became transgendered tomorrow, Angelina would make it work. If his 6 pack abs turn into a keg (borrowing from Brad), she’d love him more than ever. If his face was torn off in a freak accident, Angelina would show him how beautiful he still was every minute of the day for the rest of their lives.
She’d do all of this, because he’s not only worthy of her….I think Angelina believes she might one day be worthy of him.
That last sentence, you can ruminate on.
Here Tulula and those like her, let me help you out…
Angie said the person that she would be with would have to make her a better person.
IF you admire and love her so much, what she stands for and who she is, what she was yesterday, today and what she will become tomorrow….if you believe she’s intelligent, honest and true — then why won’t you believe what she’s telling you?
Brad is that person.
…and for Brad to be that person FOR ANGELINA, he’s got to be a helluva human being.
But I knew that already.
Tulula my dear, you need to do your homework.
I think that any person, who had a happy and fulfilled single life (and may be, even if single life wasn’t that happy or fulfilled), will look back at his/her single days, from the security of a relationship, with some sense of nostalgia. I certainly do - especially when negotiating a new colour scheme for the living room with my husband or working out which side of the family we should spend christmas and chinese new year with each year:-) I remember the days when I could furnish my home, exactly as I like it. Being single means you had control over many aspects of your life. You could explore relationships in what ever way you wanted. I know several women who have chosen to remain single because they didn’t want to give up this freedom to do exactly what they want. Good for them.
For me though, being married has been liberating in many ways too. First, there’s having a supportive husband who encourages me to try doing different things. I’m the careful one of the two. But because of his encouragement, I’ve tried doing things I would never try as a single person. I also have a measure of financial freedom. We share the financial responsbility and live off one income. Either one of us may walk out on a job, but only, not at the same time. This is very freeing.
I have never looked to my husband to provide me with meaning in my life. I believe you must define that for yourself. But there is no doubt, that being a wife and being a mother, somehow, adds meaning to my life. Perhaps it because I know that I am part of something larger then me and myself. Perhaps its knowing that to my husband and my daughter, I absolutely matter to their happiness and to our sense of what our family is. And this makes the loss of individuality and control that a single person enjoys, all the work negotiating over the colour of our new curtains, worthwhile to me.
Again,
Thanks Daisy-I get it. I loved Tulula’s post-
Maniston Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 9:42 am
daisy Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 8:37 am
Thank you daisy for bringing that over. I think what Oldie wrote is fantastic but since I’m about to run out the door I don’t have time to explain why. LOL
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I meant to write, “I think what Tulula wrote is fantastic.” This part especially reminds me of a quote by Andrea Dworkin.
Tulula
If it’s true, the story is a nice retort to all the Pitt fans who have pigeonholed Jolie in a million ways, always in relation to their hero. She is a mistress; she is the wild child. She is the “right wife,” taking the place of the “wrong wife.” The “bad girl” usurping the place of the “good girl.” And what gets lost in the fray, at least from where we sit, gazing in awe and adoration and envy at our computer screen, our television screens, the big screen and all the thousands upon thousands of magazines, is the person she was before she started to mean so much.
Andrea Dworkin:
Woman is not born: she is made. In the making, her humanity is destroyed. She becomes symbol of this, symbol of that: mother of the earth, **** of the universe; but she never becomes herself because it is forbidden for her to do so.
Me
I don’t know how Tulula feels about Brad, she could be indifferent towards him or hate him, but I see some positives in what she wrote. One of the main points, at least imo is the notion of identity. She speaks of how many, to some degree, have put Angie in this neat little box, tied so tightly that when she dares to try to break free or expand we try to shove her back in to make her fit what we believe her to be. To some she is w hore; to others she is s aint; to some she is thief; to some she is savior. To some she was better without Brad; to others she is better with him. My interpretation of what Tulala is trying to remind people is that Angelina Jolie is Angie. She is an entity unto herself. She has an identity, neither good nor bad, with Brad or without him. And on the flip side, I can take everything Tulula wrote, replace Angie’s name with Brad’s, change a few words here and there and the same would apply. He is Brad Pitt first; Angie’s husband second. She is Angelina Jolie first; Brad’s wife second. And these simple truths are oftentimes forgotten both by the media (Brangelina ring a bell) and by the fans.
Great Post Lylian-It’s like having had and still possessing the best of bost worlds.
JMO…..I really wish this topic had stayed at SJ and not brought here…
There is NO old Angie or NEW Angie, there is just Angie….no one stays the same forever, u change, i change and so does Angie…..
And i really wish “we” could get to the stage where “we” STOP projecting our ideals on others…..
I meant to write, “I think what Tulula wrote is fantastic.” This part especially reminds me of a quote by Andrea Dworkin.
Tulula
If it’s true, the story is a nice retort to all the Pitt fans who have pigeonholed Jolie in a million ways, always in relation to their hero. She is a mistress; she is the wild child. She is the “right wife,” taking the place of the “wrong wife.” The “bad girl” usurping the place of the “good girl.”
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Huh? So Pitt fans pigeonhold Angelina but Angie fans don’t? That is so far from the truth. And I might add, Brad fans are far more accepting and respectful to Angie than Angie fans are to Brad.
AMAYA
Ohmygod, ohmygod, ohmygod!!!! You are absolutely brilliant!!! I love it….I love it. No wonder he won’t talk about love today, we…he already declared it when we were teengers. Although….I’d have been like 9yrs old but it’s still cool. You’re very good writer…funny too. Thanks for mention.
I am sending you my November, December and January Check!!!
huh? Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 11:15 am
I meant to write, “I think what Tulula wrote is fantastic.” This part especially reminds me of a quote by Andrea Dworkin.
Tulula
If it’s true, the story is a nice retort to all the Pitt fans who have pigeonholed Jolie in a million ways, always in relation to their hero. She is a mistress; she is the wild child. She is the “right wife,” taking the place of the “wrong wife.” The “bad girl” usurping the place of the “good girl.”
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Huh? So Pitt fans pigeonhold Angelina but Angie fans don’t? That is so far from the truth. And I might add, Brad fans are far more accepting and respectful to Angie than Angie fans are to Brad.
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Did you not read my entire post? Let me help you out. Go to the last paragraph and then get back to me.
And on the flip side, I can take everything Tulula wrote, replace Angie’s name with Brad’s, change a few words here and there and the same would apply.
Daisy, I for one am glad you brought it over here. I think its an interesting read that can lead to good discussion.
Cliniqua that was a well thought analysis of Tulula’s prose. Instead of “missing the old Angie,” admiring the Angie of now is more inspiring. She is only 31 years old who overcome her own demons and channel her passions to do good for others. She has been quoted in her upcoming Vogue cover that she is committed to life and committed to the future. In her Namibian interview with Ann Curry, she said that she has so many things to be happy for, most likely due to the family she has created with Brad. To begrudge someone happiness and a more fulfilling life is a poor reflection of one’s maturity and openness to change.
cycloneblondie Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 9:26 am
Just scrolling up and you could have hit me with a feather when I saw your name. Where in the world have you been (and don’t say Australia…lol) How are you? You disappared after the big blackout of 2006. Missed your posts….and don’t you ever leave without notice. I mean it….you don’t want to be the on the receiving end of an African Girl’s ire…especially one on welfare.
I think some Angie’s fans don’t like the way Brad’s divorce affected Angie image. They don’t think he did enough to clean her name. that’s why they don’t think he is worthy.
hotsop Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 11:33 am
I think some Angie’s fans don’t like the way Brad’s divorce affected Angie image. They don’t think he did enough to clean her name. that’s why they don’t think he is worthy.
Angie had a perfect image before Brad?
Tijen Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 3:32 am
I hope everything works out well with you and yours. Remain blessed and don’t forget your cyber friends here on JJ. Goodbye and Good luck.
African Girl Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 11:19 am
AMAYA
Ohmygod, ohmygod, ohmygod!!!! You are absolutely brilliant!!! I love it….I love it. No wonder he won’t talk about love today, we…he already declared it when we were teengers. Although….I’d have been like 9yrs old but it’s still cool. You’re very good writer…funny too. Thanks for mention.
I am sending you my November, December and January Check!!!
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Hehehe, you’re welcome hun! Well, this story takes place “in the present” they’re just all in high school. So, there’s no weird lolita situation between you and GC lol I’m glad you liked it. :)
daisy Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 8:37 am
I hope it’s okay to copy some posts from other sites here. I’ve just had the chance to go around the internet rooting for BAMZS related sites and topics today and I’m constantly amazed by the little things I’ve unearthed about Angelina. She was despised by some pretty vocal section of the american population but she was universally loved and adored. I have come across this post from SoulieJolie.com, my heartfelt apology if everyone have already read this but I find this uncommonly touching:
Tulula (from SoulieJolie.com - on missing the “OLD ANGIE”)
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Methinks Tulula has spent just a wee bit too much time fixating on Angie’s life. The operative phrase here is “ANGIE’S LIFE”. Not hers. Angie is a grown woman who seems to have found in Brad Pitt something she’s been searching for her whole life - something and someone to make her feel and a man who won’t let her down.
Tulula’s overly long literary poseur essay on the “old Angie” could have been summed up more easily in 6 words - “Angelina grew up. Get over it.”
QQQQ,ITA!I wish this topic would have stayed on SJ.Hotsop and Ashley no need to bring up the triangle,this subject is 2 years old and quite frankley I’m sick of talking about it!
CLINIQUA Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 10:55 am
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Great writing from ‘Tulula,” but there’s only one thing wrong, the story she’s written isn’t Angelina’s.
The notion that she puts forth, that ‘Angelina’ “on her own,” has ceased to exist and is regarded only in relation to Pitt, is in reality, not only a lie, but a condescending slur. I personally, haven’t seen such a relationship of equals in the public eye, EVER. Maybe John Lennon and Yoko Ono - from what I hear anyway, they were before my time
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Very well written .. I agree. Angie is definitely now her own person… and the notion that Pitt fans “pigeon hole” her is unfair. As someone mentioned, we have been far more accepting of her than many Jolie fans have of Brad.
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QQQQ Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 11:15 am
There is NO old Angie or NEW Angie, there is just Angie….no one stays the same forever, u change, i change and so does Angie…..
And i really wish “we” could get to the stage where “we” STOP projecting our ideals on others…..
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ITA!
Morning to all my fellow BAMZS Fans, hope you guys are all having a wonderful Tuesday so far.
Hiya CB, how are you lady? It has been a long time, hope everything is well with you
Okay back to work for me
Passing Through Says:
December 5th, 2006 at 11:39 am
Tulula’s overly long literary poseur essay on the “old Angie” could have been summed up more easily in 6 words - “Angelina grew up. Get over it
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Short and to the point… and so true. :lol:
ashley. Come on, do you think if Angie was single those losers on FF would spend their days talking trash about her. No, they don’t hate Angie because her wild days. because nothing Angie ever did was so wrong. They Hate her because she is with Brad Pitt.
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