Mr & Mrs Smith Hits Small Screen
A one-hour pilot of Mr. & Mrs. Smith was just given the green light, which is being described as ” ‘Married … With Children’ with guns.” SERIOUSLY?
Here’s what The Hollywood Reporter is saying:
The film’s writer, Simon Kinberg, penned the pilot script, about John and Jane Smith, a married couple who both work as assassins.
The film’s director, Doug Liman, is on board to helm the pilot and executive produce with Kinberg and Dave Bartis.
The pilot takes place about six months after the events in the 2005 feature starring Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie, which grossed more than $186 million in North America. The Smiths have bought a new house in a new suburb and have re-established their businesses, but the attraction and sexual spark they had found at movie’s end has dwindled, and they are back dealing with marital issues.
“In a way, the show is all about the marriage,” Kinberg said. “It is a show about any married couple trying to balance professional and home life.”
More Mr. & Mrs. Smith movie stills after the jump!

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1st!
Thanks Jared. Happy New year.
Who will play Mr and Mrs Smith?
Happy 2007 BAMZS fans.
Happy 2007 BAMZS fans.
Finally a new thread.
OMG THEY LOOK SO HOT
OMG THEY LOOK SO HOT but what is this is this a MR.AND.MRS.SMITH 2?
i dont get it can someone tell me please?
‘Married … With Children’ with guns.” SERIOUSLY?
^^^
LOL.
I’m wondering who will be the actors who play MAMS too.
Thanks Just Jared for the New thread. Happy New Year.
Thanks Jared for this new thread!
To CHANEL
That’s too long Chanel. I will save the links with the Jolie-Pitts pics ONLY FOR YOU!
Lucky you if you see them in London. Maybe they are headed to New Orleans or to Los Angeles. I’m sure by tomorrow will know where they at.
Well, have a safe travelling.
Happy New Year!!!
I have been reading in the other thread that some posters’ new year’s resolutions include educating themselves in issues concerning the work of ACNUR, charities etc,.
Great resolution!!! I’m in!!!!
I thought this a good time to remember why Brad and Angie went to Costa Rica.
Micro loans are a wonderful way of helping the Colombian refugees and so is educating the children who would otherwise have no access to a school.
You have been discussing Oprah’s school in South Africa, another celebrity that built a school was Shakira in Colombia.
Here is a link to Shakira’s foundation “Pies Descalzos” -it’s in English. I didn’t know anything about her charity work.
http://www.fundacionpiesdescalzos.com/english/index.php
OMG so then MR.AND.MRS.SMITH 2?
OMG i wish that BRAD AND ANGIE
could make this move again
the producers sure milk the title name to the last drop !!!
Sagittarius-Brad & Gemini-Angelina
Both of you are curious individuals, rather restless and on-the-go. You can expect your lives together to be very active, with lots of changes, probably frequent moves, adjustments, surprises, and new challenges. These changes will bring lots of ups and downs, but overall both of you will be greatly enriched by these diverse activities and interests.
Sagittarius is more philosophical and had grander plans than Gemini, who takes each step as it comes and finds more pleasure in the little things in life. Sagittarius enjoys being on a crusade or mission for some philosophical reason or for personal gain, while Gemini finds Sagittarius’s dreams and schemes entertaining and interesting. You often see things from a different perspective, but usually you can benefit from each other’s viewpoint and you are adaptable and flexible enough to listen to each other and benefit from each other.
Personal freedom is important to both of you and you are likely to find it in this relationship. Even if you are always together you do not cling to, or smother, each other. On the whole you are very compatible.
You have a great rapport, and your emotional needs coincide very well. Personal freedom and mobility mean a lot to both of you, and neither of you wants to possess or be possessed totally. You share an unending curiosity and mental restlessness, a love of books and movies and ideas, an urge to travel, to meet different kinds of people, and to discover new things.
You are both playful and humorous, though Sagittarius is more philosophical, idealistic, and optimistic than Gemini. Gemini’s humour can be rather black at times. Both of you are also rather intellectual and need an intelligent, communicative partner. You are very companionable together and are likely to enjoy a very satisfying friendship in addition to whatever romantic attachment you have.
Wit, intelligence, and an active mind are attributes the two of you share, and in your relationship there will be a focus on communicating, bantering, a lot f verbal give and take. Both of you tend to be the dominant one in any discussion or debate, and you may find yourselves competing with each other in your discussions. This most likely will not be a major problem, but both of you would do well to step back and truly listen to one another.
Intellectual interests and/or hobbies are apt to play a significant role in your relationship.
You will experience the heights and depths, love and hate, attraction and repulsion, agony and ecstasy in this relationship. A powerful, compelling fascination and irresistible sexual attraction draws the two of you together like magnets. You love each other with a depth of feeling that is surprising even to yourselves. The powerful charismatic power that you have over each other can be used to manipulate one another, and dominance, control, or jealousy easily becomes hot issues between you. Whether this is a brief passionate encounter or a lifelong attachment, you will change one another profoundly.
Although sexual magnetism between you is very intense, you both may be somewhat uncomfortable by the overwhelming feelings or obsessive quality that you engender in one another. Even if you are repulsed or disinclined to become close to one another, there seems to be an irresistible attraction bringing you together. Power struggles, emotional or sexual manipulation, and disruptive jealousy may be problems you encounter in this relationship. Whatever develops, this relationship will touch your depths and change you profoundly.
You both have the talent for being farsighted about new directions and experimentation with love making, oral sex may appeal to you, or you may with to make love impulsively at the office, in the car, or anywhere that is convenient. Both of you wish to lead the relationship, which can at times be confusing.
The romantic love and sexual attraction for each other is very compelling and deep. You wield a powerful, charismatic influence on each other and your love affair is a powerful one. This could be one of the most fulfilling, all-consuming relationships of your life!
Enormous benefits, expansion, success, and growth come to both of you through the vehicle of your relationship. You’ll be blessed with unusual good fortune and fulfilment, both materially and in less tangible ways. Most of all, you will feel that you have plenty when you are together. Instead of seeing limitations, you’ll be able to see possibilities for an expanded life, opportunities that you may have missed before. Religion, philosophy, or higher education may become a focus in your relationship, even if neither of you is especially inclined that way.
You increase one another’s optimism and broaden one another’s viewpoints, opening up much more of the world to one another. Long distance travel or making connections to other parts of the world can be a part of this.
Essentially, your relationship is about increasing growth, freedom, and expansion in your lives. Much success and fulfilment are generated when you are together.
https://secure.netspeed.com.au/miltonblack/compatibility/sagittarius/gemini.htm
Missouri Fan Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Thanks Jared for this new thread!
To CHANEL
That’s too long Chanel. I will save the links with the Jolie-Pitts pics ONLY FOR YOU!
Lucky you if you see them in London. Maybe they are headed to New Orleans or to Los Angeles. I’m sure by tomorrow will know where they at.
Well, have a safe travelling
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OMG will you do that? THANK YOU VERRY MUCH it would be great to see all the pics that i will miss of this Gorgouse family and yup we will know tommorow were they are and i wish they could go to London lol so i could see them
I don’t have any desires to see the TV version. I can’t picture anyone else being Mr. and Mrs. Smith. I’d rather not have someone else playing them taint my enjoyment of the movie.
back…
Thanks j@red for this new thread and the pics are still hot. I actually watched MaMS two days ago and yup my eyes still dilate to the max when I see certain scenes..lol jp.
So small screen, eh? I wonder who the actors are going to be. Is the show gonna be that hawt?..probably not.
Missouri Fan Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:01 pm
Thanks Jared for this new thread!
To CHANEL
That’s too long Chanel. I will save the links with the Jolie-Pitts pics ONLY FOR YOU!
Lucky you if you see them in London. Maybe they are headed to New Orleans or to Los Angeles. I’m sure by tomorrow will know where they at.
Well, have a safe travelling.
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OMG will you do that THANK YOU VERY MUCH it would be great to see all the pics that i will miss to see and yup we will know tommorow were are they i wish they could go to London so i could see them lol
Angie 4 life!
make that •Unrated MaMS•;-)
Thanks Jared and Audrey for the new thread and Happy New Year. The TV version of M&MS should be very interesting, I wonder who the producers are going to cast as Mr. & Mrs. Smith. I will probably will watch it, but to me M&MS will always be Brad and Angie
chanel Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:13 pm
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oops sorry i posted it again beacouse i thought that my comment did not post lol
Happy New Year to my fellow BAMZS Fans, wishing you all the best in the New Year. Talk to you all later
Mr & Mrs Smith Hits Small Screen.
ohhhhhhh so its on the small screen oh so i get it right now
im of to bed good night all and HAPPY NEW YEAR to BAMZS and BAMZS Fans wish you the best.we will see were is angie and brad now tommorow
Angie 4 life!
What two actors will be able to have the kind of chemistry Brad and Angie had on screen? I can’t think of any. I’m with tabitha, I rather not see a tv version of the movie and let it taint my mind.
I have to agree with tabitha, that I have no desire to see the small screen version of MAMS. For one thing, who could they get that could equal the hotness that was Brad and Angie? For another thing, movies that have been adapted to become TV series usually bomb, although there were two that come to mind that actually became bigger than the movie itself, such as MASH (I always came to think of Alan Alda as Hawkeye, not Donald Sutherland) and Buffy the Vampire Slayer (ever remember Kristy Swanson, the original Buffy? I think not — to people Sarah Michelle Gellar would always be Buffy).
Unless they can come up with very very good writers, I don’t think this TV MAMS could be as good as the movie. And who will be the new John & Jane Smith? Oh, naughty me, isn’t the Fraudiston looking for a job?
chanel Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:13 pm
I know you will use those pics on youR BAMZS video. Just ask Jared to forward your email to me when you need it .
I will now make a folder with your name “PICS /LINKS FOR CHANEL”
My new Video with beautiful Angelina
http://youtube.com/watch?v=88XnI_Tb2hk
DOES ANYONE HAVE THE LATEST E! THS OF ANGIE?..CAN SOMEONE PLS UPLOAD IT OR GIVE ME THE LINK….PLEASE…PLEASE..PLEASE..THANKS!
For Mrs. Smith I can see Carla Gugino playing her. In 2003, she played the TV version of Karen Sisco. She has the tough but vulnerable. I can’t think of anyone for Mr. Smith.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carla_Gugino
ell Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:34 pm
My new Video with beautiful Angelina
http://youtube.com/watch?v=88XnI_Tb2hk
Excellent video! Thank you ell.
Guli - if you’re lurking out there…I finally uploaded my fic…it’s not a phone convo, though…X has been writing in her diary again…
For anyone else interested in reading the fic - hopefully my swansong! - I’ve uploaded it to the YG Files page.
Hi angelah!
Happy New Year!
briseis Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:24 pm
And who will be the new John & Jane Smith? Oh, naughty me, isn’t the Fraudiston looking for a job?
Thanx so very much jared and audrey, it’s so wonderful to see a new thread on new year’s day.
I agree with the folks who say they won’t be watching the tv version of M&MS.
It will never do the movie justice, and to be honest, I would’ve never seen the movie if it hadn’t been for Brad & Angelina. I’m not much into that genre.
Now, I wished a happy new years day to all this morning on the other thread, so now I wish you all a wonderful 2007, and I specially wish the beginning of the safe return of our heros overseas, along with my prayers and gratitude
Wow!! Great pictures!! I had never seen some of them before!! And as I’m watching them I keep saying that there was no chance in hell that this tow wouldn’t have fall in love with ach other. FATE!! Thank you Jared and happy new year to you and Audrey. Thank you for keeping us going for all this time and the great efforts you have done for BAMZs fans!!
Well as for the T.V adaptation of MAMS that would be interesting indeed. I also think that the chemistry between Brad and Angie is unreachable. But I don’t think that such kind of chemistry and I mean sexual will be required judging from the script. In the movie there was a couple that fell in love from the first sight, flirting and teasing each other, then getting married and have mayor marital problems because of their secret lives and when everything have been uncovered they are reuniting and fight together against and equal enemy and their passion is on fire once again. That requires a lot of hotness if you know what I mean
But in this script will be a married couple for about 5 years, six, well 5-6 years
that are trying to resolve their marriage and their lives witch I find really boring if you ask me. It’s a story line that I have seen many times in T.V series and with people having Brad and Angie in mind and their undeniable and intense chemistry in the movie I don’t think so. Although I think it will eventually come out as something completely different than the movie so there will not be much comparison. Anyway we shall see.
BTW- Is Hollywood Reporter a reliable publication??
BRB. Catching up with the previous thread.
ell Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:34 pm
My new Video with beautiful Angelina
http://youtube.com/watch?v=88XnI_Tb2hk
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Happy New Year Ell. I loved the video, it was beautiful and I loved the song
WOW! Thank you so much jared and audrey!
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO BOTH OF YOU
You guys are the best!!!
you know, seeing that today’s the first day of 2007, and this is the first thread, maybe we could start a cyber-jar for every time week bring up a certain some one. $1 cyber-dollar for each mention, at the end of the year we will use the cyber-money to fund a cyber-trip to Rio for a New Years Eve vacation.
Stranger - thanks for the links. I am saving every one of them for future references because I am seriously thinking of eventually retiring early and working full time in some of these international agencies.
the only two tv people that could come close would be roy dupuis and peta wilson (of la femme nikita) fame…I’d watch them read the phone book…just as I would brad & ange.
that’s not likely to happen however, so I’d say this was a dumb idea….plus…having them backslide into boredom AFTER finding out about each other is dumb, and is really missing the point of the movie…no one wants to watch a couple who’s bored with each other….the having secrets and covering the fact that they are really interesting people ubeknownst to each other, is THE THING….ya know? my real beef is that this TOTALLY ruins anticipation of and those working for a MAMS sequel…with B&A. not that they were gonna do one in the near future…but at some point they might have considered it..plus the payday for both would have been out of this world.
they are so hot !!!
Briseis…. (!) Jennifer Aniston as Mrs. Smith?? I think that is brilliant!! How about Vince as her husband? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA…no, really I think the ONLY way it can ever work is IF they can find two completely, totally unknown actors with no prior credentials, to re-establish themselves with people who are NOT like us, not addicted to the one and only true Mr. and Mrs. Smith, Brad and Angie. If the writing is good enough and the actors are charismatic enough it can work because the premise is a really intriguing one, after all. The movie was probably just OK as an action adventure. I never saw it that way, however. It was fantastic as a metaphor for marriage. Actually, fantastic as such. So, if the same writer does the writing, he may pull it off. ( Ryan Phillipe could be a passable Mr. Smith, but he is not leaving film for TV any time soon….)
Passing Through Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 8:47 pm
Guli - if you’re lurking out there…I finally uploaded my fic…it’s not a phone convo, though…X has been writing in her diary again…
For anyone else interested in reading the fic - hopefully my swansong! - I’ve uploaded it to the YG Files page.
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what’s YG, how do I get there?
Passing Through…how can those of us not involved with the YG thing read it?
love this video, starts off w/ stills then goes into motion, hotness
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3vvTZAtLI&NR
What?
Happy new year everyone.
Want to put my 2 cents worth on Oprah here coz I can’t do it on the old thread coz its closed.
First, this 40m is part of Oprah’s hard earned money. I believe she can spend it anyway she wants, buying art works, shoes, handbags, staying in luxury hotels, giving her dogs and cats a daily manicure and caviar for dinner, what ever.
Second, I absolutely support the fact that Oprah wants to spend the 40 m on education in south Africa. And I do believe Oprah is spending the money to do good.
Third, just because I have reservations about Oprah’s vision for that school and the girls that go there doesn’t mean it is the wrong thing to do. Oprah’s School is elitist in the sense that only the really smart bright girls get to go there. However, what isn’t elitist is that the children who go there are the economically and socially, disadvantaged. In that sense, the school is highly egalitarian.
I think I understand where Oprah is coming from. I think she wants a school that is the best, and she wants the students who go there to expect the best from life, to be the best in life and to give their best to their community and loved ones. This is to me, the ultimate “American Dream”, the capitalist ideal. This is a value which Oprah herself, personifies.
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My reservations are not that Oprah has created a school which caters for that smart poor girl, but rather, on the amount of money that’s lavish into that one single school. I think that it might be better for part of that 40m to go towards creating schools that cater more to the masses. 10m or 20m of the 40m can build may be 10 schools in south africa, which caters to 5000 to 10,000 students.
What I am saying is that there is a point when part of that 40m gives a diminishing marginal return for the $$. On simpler terms, the first 1 million may well be giving a 10,000 decibel bang for a buck. The last 10m of the 40m probably gives a 1 decibel bang for a buck.
Dont get me wrong, I support the building of schools which cater for the super bright amongst us. I think there are super bright children in Australia for example, are done a DISSERVICE by the mass schooling education. Australia tax payers fund special schools for those with learning difficulties - something I absolutely support. However, I’ve yet to know of an Australian school funded by tax payers money which support children with IQs of 150 and above. Personally, I think that the super bright need as much support and nurture, as those with learning difficulties. But they need a different kind of support and we shouldnt be embarrassed to provide it.
However, I do think that education for the masses is also very very important. My views come from my own experiences. My father and mother both went to a small village primary school before WW2, which provided them with sufficient education to go to a high school in the big town and get their O levels. Had they had more family money, both could have made it to University.I went to a school where the minimum class size was never smaller then 45, as did my husband. Yet, we both managed to graduate with honours from an Australian university as lawyer and doctor, (my husband going on to get his phd as well). And trust me, whilst my parents and I and my husband are well within the average range of IQ. We are not in the above IQ150 range for sure.
So, in my view, ensuring that many people in South Africa, not just girls but boys too, get a minimum standard of education at school can go a long long way for many many people. My parents and my husband and I are examples of mass education and its benefits.
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Most of us will live long enough to see how Oprah’s vision pans out. So, I look forward to seeing what Oprahs school will create in its students. I see Oprah’s efforts as a grand experiment and I’ll live long enough to see if the graduates of that school live up to Oprah’s vision that the school will create leaders who bring positive change to the community, or whether she will end up creating a school with a bunch of women who believe it is their right to rule and be elitist.
I agree that trying to capture that B&A chemistry without B&A is futile. I am underwhelmed by the whole prospect, and as Clini said, it ruins the possibility of a MAMS 2 (not that I really think they would or should do it anyway). And yeah, it’s beyond unfathomable that these two characters would ever lose their spark a second time after reconnecting so intensely.
This is yet another example of people trying to stowaway on the Jolie-Pitt train. All nonticketed passengers should be escorted off and hung on the next available mail hook.
As for these pics….ah, the memories! Like Brad said, “There’s alot of love in that movie.”
Happy 2007 to you all
another, like the music
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P3vvTZAtLI&NR
sorry wrong one
I will NOT watch the small screen TV version
NO, NO ! NO !
Great post, lylian. Far beit for me to criticize Oprah for her school, because Goddess knows I certainly don’t like it when people get on Angie’s case about the way in which she chooses to donate her money. I agree with you that overall, this school is a great thing, but I really like the whole Millenium Village concept….helping more people in smaller amounts in more areas. I just think that has a greater impact that the way Oprah has chosen to go about it. Someone on the other thread made an excellent point that helping the girls would be a moot point if all the boys were still “stuck in the mud” and I wholeheartedly echo that sentiment. I am raising two boys, and I feel that part of my job as their mother is to not only enlighten and educate them, but to teach them how to be good partners and how to treat women.
I just hate to see the boys shut out of an opportunity such as this kind of school. To me, it’s kinda sexist, but that’s probably just because I have boys of my own. However, to back that up, there have been studies in this country that have concluded that over the last 20-25 years, as a result of the women’s movement there have been SO many programs designed to help girls with their self-esteem that boys are now languighing behind them with simalar problems that girls had 30 years ago. So the conclusion shows that children of both sexes need to be nurtured in this way, not just girls.
try again
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjQ7BjNbGIs
Guli, if you are around, could you perhaps re paste that comment you found on brangelinafans.com regarding feel good charity and those who do it? It mentioned the type of charity men do and the type women pursue. It used Melinda Gates and Angelina as exceptions to the rule.
deena Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 9:15 pm
you know, seeing that today’s the first day of 2007, and this is the first thread, maybe we could start a cyber-jar for every time week bring up a certain some one. $1 cyber-dollar for each mention, at the end of the year we will use the cyber-money to fund a cyber-trip to Rio for a New Years Eve vacation.
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Good luck trying to collect the money. I’ve already mentioned her once for the purpose of alerting Guli to my fic upload. I’m not paying anybody a buck for mentioning X. As a matter of fact I laughed heartily the other day at the “triangle is over” convo. GMAFB. The triangle will NEVER be over because the rags won’t let it die. And don’t bother with that fans/tabs “it’s a vicious circle” argument because it doesn’t hold water. People who buy and/or subscribe to the tabs are going to buy or subscribe no matter who’s on the cover. People who won’t waste their money on them won’t buy them no matter who’s on the cover. If the tabs stopped printing stories on X it wouldn’t bother me one bit…I’m still not going to like her and I’m still going to make fun of her. If her name comes up, it comes up. Big deal. She will forever be linked to Brad and Angie simply because she was married to him at the time Brad & Angie started falling in love. People who don’t realize that and want to blame the tabs or anyone else for perpetuating the triangle are just ignoring the obvious.
good night all
http://www.vh1.com/movies/movie/267402/news/articles/1548495/feature.jhtml
Never mind, I found it.
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guli Says:
December 30th, 2006 at 11:43 am
Nice post by, http://brangelinafans.blogspot.com/
Thanks for the Xmas well wishes, I had a nice holiday break, and I hope you did too! While all of us were with our families or just chilling out at home watching DVDs, Brad and Angelina were up to their charitable ways again in Costa Rica with some refugees at a shelter. Don’t these folks take a break, even for Christmas? Nope.
As I was reading my ***** magazine, issue #34 ‘Green’, I read an article titled, “Egos Without Borders - Mapping the new celebrity Philanthropy” (page 23 if you want to read it at the book store). And of course I knew they would mention Angelina as an example and they used her in a very positive light too.
Some of us here at BF know the difference between the sincere efforts that Angelina and Brad give into their causes and they have not only donated money and neat material gifts, but they got down and dirty in a few countries and really have walked the walk! The causes they speak on behalf of are not fads for them, they are committed to them for a very long time. However, in this article in ***** magazine, the phrase “feel-good philanthropy” was introduced to me. According to the author, Summer Wood, there is a difference between the do gooders who donate in the short term for a cause and obtain a personal self-satisfaction from it, and there are those who are militant about it and do it as if their life depended on helping those who are less fortunate. Here’s a snipet from the article:
“But in recent years, as more and more public figures enter the philantrhropic fray, it appears that male and female celebrities are going about their good deed in strikingly different and gender-stereotypical ways. Generally speaking, men like Bill Gates, George Clooney, and Bono are using their wealth and influence to advocate for specific policy reforms and U.S. political action on issues such as health, foreign aid, and trade. Meanwhile, female celebrities like Oprah, Drew Barrymore, Meg Ryan, and Lucy Liu (to name just a few recent examples) promote a feel-good, totally apolitical mode of philanthropy, in which women are encouraged to consider the plight of people in the developing world as a way (in part) to feel better about their own lives, and to pursue only small, relatively ineffectual solutions to the world’s problems.
While women like Melinda Gates and Angelina Jolie are notable exceptions to this trend (both speak out regularly, and knowledgeably, on policy issues affecting the health of women in developing nations and have donated large sums of their own money to charitable causes), the brand of philanthropy promoted by many female celebs sends a troubling message to their fans about what the average person can do to help. With feel-good philanthrophy, there’s no need to call your elected representatives, attend a rally, or even spend a few minutes each day reading the international news in order to better understand the issues at hand. Give, but give just a little, and then sit back and reap the emotional rewards.”
Reading this article really laid out the comparison between what celebrity X does and what celebrity W does. The way Angelina goes about her philanthropic interests is more admirable to me than someone going into a hospital ward in South Africa and giving the ill women there some makeup kits, or buying a piece of jewelry designed to act as a fundraiser tool against world hunger and sold for $24.99, but only $5 going to the actual cause. So when cynics say that Angelina is doing all her hard work for PR, I want to tell them to piss off because what she does is not easy. It’s emotionally draining, physically challenging, and it costs money: the more you have, the more you can afford to give w/o straining your own bank account. But in the long run, her kind of help is actually helping people and giving them what they really need: the care and the true attention that their plight needs.
Labels: costa rica, philanthropy
posted by Gossipfan @ 12:53 PM
Why do so many black women hate Oprah? Why do we question everything she does?We don’t question Angies motives like we question Opra. I love Oprah and Angie for the great works they slave at. I think that the hate towards O is a case of FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT.
maja Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 9:34 pm
what’s YG, how do I get there?
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AddictedtoBAMZs Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Passing Through…how can those of us not involved with the YG thing read it?
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Maja - The YG is a private Yahoo Group we started when Jared was having server problems a few months ago.
Addicted and anyone else who doesn’t belong to the YG - if you want to read it send me an e-mail at RealityChick691@yahoo.com and I’ll send it to you as a text file.
Green Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 10:06 pm
http://www.vh1.com/movies/movie/267402/news/articles/1548495/feature.jhtml
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Thanks, I copied the text of the interview. I hope you don’t mind.
Inteview with Angie:
Was it intimidating to be directed by Robert De Niro?
Matt and I both talked about it. We were terrified! In some ways, it’s very comforting, because you know he’s going to help you and you know he’s got great instincts. But you’re very nervous to be with somebody you consider to be the best at what you’re trying to do. He knows if you hit a false note. And he knows when you’re not working hard enough. But he was so supportive.
How did you feel about aging in the film?
In this business people have strong opinions about how people should look, but I love to see my face get old in a movie. There’s something very comforting about portraying yourself as an older women. Playing Clover in The Good Shepherd was a little different. Hopefully I won’t break apart as she did. You may not have noticed it, but I had to age as an alcoholic, so if you look closely at her, there are a lot of broken capillaries. We had these big yellow contacts and yellow teeth I had to wear. So this is what I will look like at 50 if I start drinking! But my mom is aging gracefully, so if I’m anything like my mother …
What do you like most about being a mom?
I just love my kids, but I think any parent is going to say that. My children are so interesting. I love talking to them. Now Madd is at an age where he writes me
letters, and we have the greatest conversations. Zahara, too. She’s just the funniest, craziest little person. Last night we were just sitting there watching her and we were in hysterics! That’s the joy of life. They’re just fun!
How does living a life under a lens affect you as a parent?
I made a point to not change the way I live my life, other than carefully plan my holidays. I want to ensure some kind of quality of life that’s private and nice for everybody. The only time it’s hard is when the kids want to go somewhere. I’ve had so many people offer to take my children to places that I can’t take them, like Disneyland. They don’t understand how upsetting that is. I want to take my kids trick or treating, and do things that they assume I can’t do. So we try to find ways to do all of those things.
When did you last take your kids trick or treating?
This year we were in India, so we had this really odd celebration in the hotel. We had candy and costumes sent up from the States. Brad wore a really big Afro and I had dreadlocks. [Laughs.] We were trying to explain to the Indians what it was, but they just thought we were having fun with dress-up.
Curious Says: January 1st, 2007 at 10:08 pm - is there a LAW that says Black women have to LIKE Okra????? Good for you that u like her…..
Dragonfly-you made a good point about the boys being shut out. We need people like Will Smith, Jay Z ,Denzel,Michael Jordan,Tiger woods to build an Academy for the young young men. They need love to.
Got it can’t wait to read it, many thanks
To do something selfless and wonderful for someone that needs it should never be questioned. You do not have to like or respect Oprah, but the fact that these young girls will benefit from this is the most important thing. The same goes for Angie and Brad. Stop being small minded and look at the big picture. People will benefit greatly from their work, and that’s all that really matters.
Since the vogue interview from Angelina came out, Some people have argued that Angelina lured Brad by talking to him about her values, her beliefs etc. Too intimate.
I’ve been meaning to post my views for a while and here it is. On the one hand, I believe it would be inappropriate for a spouse to talk about his/her relationship to an unmarried person of the opposite sex (usually along the lines of –“She/he doesn’t understand me”). But Angelina was careful to point out in her interview that she didn’t know the workings of brad and Jennifer’s marriage. She and Brad talked about what we both wanted in life and realized that they wanted very, very similar things.
Was Angelina’s and Brad discussions really too intimate?? I think not. We reveal a lot of our true values and belief systems, what we want from life, when we speak about things that matter to us. Many of these topics are perfectly acceptable conversations to have with a colleague at work. Conversations about how we view work, what we think about a particular boss, our interests or passions and our children. For example, lets say a co-worker tells me how she spent her week end with her children, what she had enjoyed doing with them etc. Did she stick them in front of the TV? Did she take them out to the zoo and have a fantastic time with them feeding the elephants and riding on the horse carriage?? Another person tells me about her hobbies, her charities, why they interest her, why she believes in them, what she wants to do in the future - run her own business, what sort of business. These conversations can reveal a lot about you. Even discussions on this board reveals a lot more of our values, what we think and why we think than I would care to actually reveal at times. You can build a complex and accurate picture of a person when you have very non controversial, non intimate conversations so long as both parties are prepared to be honest and open and not too quick to judge.
And if you ever hear how a mother disciplines her children, explains things to her children, you get a lot of information about her values. This is particularly important. One of my good friends told me that she tells her children that she works part time because she loves her work, she enjoys the challenge of work. She told me that she never tells her child that she works because she needs the money because (a) its not entirely true though they are not rich and the extra money helps; and (b) the truth is, she loves her work and sees nothing wrong in spending part of her life away from her children doing something she absolutely works and (c) she wants her children to love their work too. This tells me a lot about my friend and her values. Yet, no part of this conversation is inappropriate between friends, whether it be male or female.
That’s what I believe happened with Angelina and Brad. They talked about her charities, her work, what she thought about the politics in America, the influence of conservative Christians on the political agenda, the direction of the bush administration – all perfectly acceptable topics of discussion with a co worker with whom one is on friendly terms. Most particularly, Brad also saw Angelina interacting with Maddox, saw how she disciplined him, heard how she explained things to him. People have said that Maddox was the reason why Brad went for Angelina. In a way, they are right. Not that Brad wanted Maddox and the only way he could get to Maddox was through Angelina. But rather, in watching Angelina with Maddox, he saw the real Angelina and fell for her.
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The bulk of M&MS was filmed by April 04 so I’m guessing that it might be then when Brad and Angelina realised that may be, they had stronger feelings for each other then they would care to admit, even to themselves. My guess is, when that realisation hit him, Brad told Jen about it – pretty much as soon as he was able to face up to his feelings. That’s why Jen said that she knew her marriage was over around mid June 04, when she was filming RHI. However, according to Courtney, Brad did try to fight his feelings for a while, and that probably why they tried to patch things up by going on their European vacation whilst promoting Troy. However, what ever was wrong with that marriage could not be fixed – at least not from Brad’s perspective.
Was Brad therefore a man who was not committed to his marraige?? From Courtney’s own words, we know Brad didn’t just walk out on Jennifer. Even though he was deeply attracted to another woman he stayed and tried to work it out with Jennifer.
The essential question for some people is, which question did Brad asked himself as he stayed to work out his marriage - was it: “Would I be happier out of this marriage then in it?” or was it: “Would I be happier out of this marriage with Jennifer and in a relationship with Angelina”.
I’m inclined to believe that Brad asked himself the first question ie. Would I be happier out of this marriage then it it? Reason?? Because
(a) both Jennifer (VF Interview) and Brad said there was no 3rd party involved in the decision to break up (never let it be said I think Brad is a liar).
(b) I’m very sure that the marriage was very rocky by 2003 when he went to film Troy in Malta - apart for months and she has to force herself to fly out to meet him?? Come on…. Not from my experience.
(c) Brad didn’t just walk out on Jennifer when he realised that he was attracted to Angelina, he tried to work it out with Jennifer for a period of time.
(d) when Brad left Jennifer, there was no guarantee that anything would work out with Angelina. I don’t believe either Brad or Angelina, with 3 marriages which went on the rocks between them, living in Hollywood, were particularly starry eyed and idealistic about what could go wrong in any relationship in Hollywood.
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So then, here is the other question, should Brad have stayed with Jennifer because Brad married her as she was probably happy to stay Mrs Brad Pitt. Hence all the talk about marriage vows etc.
To me, to stay in an unsatisfactory marriage, a marriage where both parties can spend months apart without yearning for the other, when there are no children involved, where they are both financially independant, is TOTALLY MASOCHISTIC. I wouldn’t do it and I certainly don’t expect other people to. And for those whiners who think he should have stayed in an unsatisfactory marriage where no children were involved because he made a marriage vow, well, I can only say, more then 50% of married couples don’t – many with children. Why should Brad be held on a higher standard? Did their marriage vow even include the “till death do us apart”?? I’m not sure. I do know from interviews that they both gave that they described their marriage as a grand experiment, a merger, that when you come from a home with a broken marriage, its hard to believe in happily ever after.
QQQQ- I did not say that black women have to like Oprah. Just asked a question. Don’t want to argue,leave off with the attitude sometimes, every question is not asked with malice. This the intellectual board,right? This is why I asked the question here.
According to NEWSWEEK the 1/8/2007 issue OPRAH’ s girls school will have a grand opening, in attendance will be Julia Roberts, John Travolta,Stevie Wonder Nelson Mandella and Angelina Jolie.
They can never replicate the chemistry and charisma of Brad and Angie in a weekly TV show. Impossible.
Curious Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 10:08 pm
Why do so many black women hate Oprah? Why do we question everything she does?We don’t question Angies motives like we question Opra. I love Oprah and Angie for the great works they slave at. I think that the hate towards O is a case of FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT.
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I’m not black so my comment might be considred invalid but I’ll say it anyway. I don’t hate Oprah but I do have concerns about the way she approaches her charity work. It’s okay to voice criticism as long as it is considered constructive. What Dragonfly and Lylian said, I consider that constructive criticism and they are voicing their opinion, which is what this blog is about.
I find that Oprah is a bit self centered and believes in her own hype. For proof, look at how she handled the James Frey and Hermes incident. After Oprah’s fans lambasted her on her message boards for supporting James , only then did she go after James Frey. I didn’t think it was necessary for her to go after him on her show the way she did, but she did because she was more worried about what the public thought, rather than going with her convictions. She instantly claimed racism over the Hermes incident because they didn’t her allow into the store after it was closed. The CEO had to come on her show and apologize, all because she is Oprah.
She financed the building of this $40 million school because SHE wanted a school built that was according to HER childhood dreams. She put her own desires before the needs of the kids. It’s her money and she can do what she wants with it, but it grates me that she passes that off as charity she did for the KIDS. The whole point of helping others is to put your worries and desires aside and help OTHERS in need and support them in a way that is in THEIR best interest. It’s not about putting your own fantasies first before doing what could help the people in the greatest way possible with the resources you have. It’s about helping the maximum amount of people with the help you can provide and not being selective with who is eligible to recieve help.
Whenever you set out to help people, I believe it’s necessary to do research about what you are doing. Oprah places her emotions first and foremost before facts and logic. Emotions have their place and if a person’s heart isn’t in the work they are doing, then it’s not worth it. But research and knowledge about issues are also important. For a woman with Oprah’s stature and taking into consideration about the large number of people that follow her lead and rely on her to look for ways they can help, you would think she would be more responsible with the way she chooses to pursue her chariatable contributions. She is Oprah because so many people look up to her. She has been given her wealth and stature by the public that tunes into listen to her for advice, so I certainely would hope she would take the burden placed on her shoulders by her fans more seriously.
Curious Says: January 1st, 2007 at 10:30 pm - u asked a ? and i answered…
me Says: January 1st, 2007 at 10:41 pm - Great Post and ITA…
especially this part
“She financed the building of this $40 million school because SHE wanted a school built that was according to HER childhood dreams. She put her own desires before the needs of the kids. It’s her money and she can do what she wants with it, but it grates me that she passes that off as charity she did for the KIDS.”
test.
annie Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 10:39 pm
According to NEWSWEEK the 1/8/2007 issue OPRAH’ s girls school will have a grand opening, in attendance will be Julia Roberts, John Travolta,Stevie Wonder Nelson Mandella and Angelina Jolie.
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Jan 8th is Zahara’s birthday, brad is accepting an award in Palm Springs Jan 7th, and is due back on the BB set soon. Seeing how this family goes everywhere together I very much doubt angie will be in South Africa. But hey I could be wrong.
She financed the building of this $40 million school because SHE wanted a school built that was according to HER childhood dreams.
She put her own desires before the needs of the kids. It’s her money and she can do what she wants with it, but it grates me that she passes that off as charity she did for the KIDS. The whole point of helping others is to put your worries and desires aside and help OTHERS in need and support them in a way that is in THEIR best interest. It’s NOT about putting your own fantasies first before doing what could help the people in the greatest way possible with the resources you have. It’s about helping the maximum amount of people with the help you can provide and not being selective with who is eligible to recieve help.
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very well said. i love it.
Maybe Angie will bring Zahara with her. It would be appropriate since Z was born in Africa. It is true they are seldom apart, but not unthinkable.
pdawg Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 10:29 pm
To do something selfless and wonderful for someone that needs it should never be questioned. You do not have to like or respect Oprah, but the fact that these young girls will benefit from this is the most important thing. The same goes for Angie and Brad. Stop being small minded and look at the big picture. People will benefit greatly from their work, and that’s all that really matters.
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In case you are addressing me, I just want to clarify, that I absolutely respect and applaud Oprah’s CONTRIBUTION. I look forward to seeing if her CONTRIBUTION will lead to the SUCCESS that she envisions. These are 2 different things.
Oprah is not just trying to give these girls the best in life because she wants them to have the best in life. Oprah is giving these economically disadvantaged girls the best because she wants them to contribute their best in return, as leaders, as members of their community. Believe me, I want her to succeed.
What she is trying to do is experimental. I am merely saying that I don’t know if her experiment will be a success, whether she is going to get the big bang for her bucks - which will only be revealed in the future. Most of us will live to see the returns.
What is NOT experimental is giving education to the masses. The benefit of mass education is WELL DOCUMENTED in every socieity. I do know from the experience of my parents is that, the humble school, with teachers who had a mere 6 years of education, and minimal facilities (chalk board, and a few books), could give people like my parents (who are themselves, the children of illiterates) the chance to succeed - to become teachers and civil servants and professionals and move into the middle class. And I and my husband who went to government schools in a 3rd world country, scrambling an education for ourselves in a class of 50 students, can do as well as those of my friends who went to Eton or Melbourne Grammar. That is simply a fact.
So, whilst I applaud Oprahs contribution, we have yet to see if Oprahs contribution will lead to success beyond what we can expect if she spent 20m less on that school. I believe we will know because this school and its students will be the subject of studies for many years to come. This is good because there is room in the debate about how we educate our young, about the sort of schooling necessary to maximise benefit to every level of society.
I love that movie! Its one of my favorite movies.
Queenbie, The Opening to Oprah’s school is 1/2/2007 and the newsweek magazine featuring Oprah story is on newstand 1/8/2007.
Me-This your opinion and I respect it. It seem to be very thought out and honest.
But ,I must say that everyone has a their way of doing things and I guess we will not be able to satisfy all the people all the time. At least she tries to help for whatever reason. I don’t look at the reasons so much because sometimes you can get people wrong. If it is for emotional reasons,emotions can come from the heart. I look at the benefits the person in need recieve from from the thoughts of another human being. I hope and pray that the girls benefit greatly and become well educated women. Im sure that they will give back to their community,country,world.
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for those of you who have a problem with OPRAH using her own money to invest in people who are in need what is your answer to ending poverty in AFRICA and how and when do you plan to implement it.