Mr & Mrs Smith Hits Small Screen

Got it can’t wait to read it, many thanks

Since the vogue interview from Angelina came out, Some people have argued that Angelina lured Brad by talking to him about her values, her beliefs etc. Too intimate.

I’ve been meaning to post my views for a while and here it is. On the one hand, I believe it would be inappropriate for a spouse to talk about his/her relationship to an unmarried person of the opposite sex (usually along the lines of –“She/he doesn’t understand me”). But Angelina was careful to point out in her interview that she didn’t know the workings of brad and Jennifer’s marriage. She and Brad talked about what we both wanted in life and realized that they wanted very, very similar things.

Was Angelina’s and Brad discussions really too intimate?? I think not. We reveal a lot of our true values and belief systems, what we want from life, when we speak about things that matter to us. Many of these topics are perfectly acceptable conversations to have with a colleague at work. Conversations about how we view work, what we think about a particular boss, our interests or passions and our children. For example, lets say a co-worker tells me how she spent her week end with her children, what she had enjoyed doing with them etc. Did she stick them in front of the TV? Did she take them out to the zoo and have a fantastic time with them feeding the elephants and riding on the horse carriage?? Another person tells me about her hobbies, her charities, why they interest her, why she believes in them, what she wants to do in the future - run her own business, what sort of business. These conversations can reveal a lot about you. Even discussions on this board reveals a lot more of our values, what we think and why we think than I would care to actually reveal at times. You can build a complex and accurate picture of a person when you have very non controversial, non intimate conversations so long as both parties are prepared to be honest and open and not too quick to judge.

And if you ever hear how a mother disciplines her children, explains things to her children, you get a lot of information about her values. This is particularly important. One of my good friends told me that she tells her children that she works part time because she loves her work, she enjoys the challenge of work. She told me that she never tells her child that she works because she needs the money because (a) its not entirely true though they are not rich and the extra money helps; and (b) the truth is, she loves her work and sees nothing wrong in spending part of her life away from her children doing something she absolutely works and (c) she wants her children to love their work too. This tells me a lot about my friend and her values. Yet, no part of this conversation is inappropriate between friends, whether it be male or female.

That’s what I believe happened with Angelina and Brad. They talked about her charities, her work, what she thought about the politics in America, the influence of conservative Christians on the political agenda, the direction of the bush administration – all perfectly acceptable topics of discussion with a co worker with whom one is on friendly terms. Most particularly, Brad also saw Angelina interacting with Maddox, saw how she disciplined him, heard how she explained things to him. People have said that Maddox was the reason why Brad went for Angelina. In a way, they are right. Not that Brad wanted Maddox and the only way he could get to Maddox was through Angelina. But rather, in watching Angelina with Maddox, he saw the real Angelina and fell for her.

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The bulk of M&MS was filmed by April 04 so I’m guessing that it might be then when Brad and Angelina realised that may be, they had stronger feelings for each other then they would care to admit, even to themselves. My guess is, when that realisation hit him, Brad told Jen about it – pretty much as soon as he was able to face up to his feelings. That’s why Jen said that she knew her marriage was over around mid June 04, when she was filming RHI. However, according to Courtney, Brad did try to fight his feelings for a while, and that probably why they tried to patch things up by going on their European vacation whilst promoting Troy. However, what ever was wrong with that marriage could not be fixed – at least not from Brad’s perspective.

Was Brad therefore a man who was not committed to his marraige?? From Courtney’s own words, we know Brad didn’t just walk out on Jennifer. Even though he was deeply attracted to another woman he stayed and tried to work it out with Jennifer.

The essential question for some people is, which question did Brad asked himself as he stayed to work out his marriage - was it: “Would I be happier out of this marriage then in it?” or was it: “Would I be happier out of this marriage with Jennifer and in a relationship with Angelina”.

I’m inclined to believe that Brad asked himself the first question ie. Would I be happier out of this marriage then it it? Reason?? Because

(a) both Jennifer (VF Interview) and Brad said there was no 3rd party involved in the decision to break up (never let it be said I think Brad is a liar).

(b) I’m very sure that the marriage was very rocky by 2003 when he went to film Troy in Malta - apart for months and she has to force herself to fly out to meet him?? Come on…. Not from my experience.

(c) Brad didn’t just walk out on Jennifer when he realised that he was attracted to Angelina, he tried to work it out with Jennifer for a period of time.

(d) when Brad left Jennifer, there was no guarantee that anything would work out with Angelina. I don’t believe either Brad or Angelina, with 3 marriages which went on the rocks between them, living in Hollywood, were particularly starry eyed and idealistic about what could go wrong in any relationship in Hollywood.

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So then, here is the other question, should Brad have stayed with Jennifer because Brad married her as she was probably happy to stay Mrs Brad Pitt. Hence all the talk about marriage vows etc.

To me, to stay in an unsatisfactory marriage, a marriage where both parties can spend months apart without yearning for the other, when there are no children involved, where they are both financially independant, is TOTALLY MASOCHISTIC. I wouldn’t do it and I certainly don’t expect other people to. And for those whiners who think he should have stayed in an unsatisfactory marriage where no children were involved because he made a marriage vow, well, I can only say, more then 50% of married couples don’t – many with children. Why should Brad be held on a higher standard? Did their marriage vow even include the “till death do us apart”?? I’m not sure. I do know from interviews that they both gave that they described their marriage as a grand experiment, a merger, that when you come from a home with a broken marriage, its hard to believe in happily ever after.

According to NEWSWEEK the 1/8/2007 issue OPRAH’ s girls school will have a grand opening, in attendance will be Julia Roberts, John Travolta,Stevie Wonder Nelson Mandella and Angelina Jolie.

Curious Says:

January 1st, 2007 at 10:08 pm

Why do so many black women hate Oprah? Why do we question everything she does?We don’t question Angies motives like we question Opra. I love Oprah and Angie for the great works they slave at. I think that the hate towards O is a case of FAMILIARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT.
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I’m not black so my comment might be considred invalid but I’ll say it anyway. I don’t hate Oprah but I do have concerns about the way she approaches her charity work. It’s okay to voice criticism as long as it is considered constructive. What Dragonfly and Lylian said, I consider that constructive criticism and they are voicing their opinion, which is what this blog is about.

I find that Oprah is a bit self centered and believes in her own hype. For proof, look at how she handled the James Frey and Hermes incident. After Oprah’s fans lambasted her on her message boards for supporting James , only then did she go after James Frey. I didn’t think it was necessary for her to go after him on her show the way she did, but she did because she was more worried about what the public thought, rather than going with her convictions. She instantly claimed racism over the Hermes incident because they didn’t her allow into the store after it was closed. The CEO had to come on her show and apologize, all because she is Oprah.
She financed the building of this $40 million school because SHE wanted a school built that was according to HER childhood dreams. She put her own desires before the needs of the kids. It’s her money and she can do what she wants with it, but it grates me that she passes that off as charity she did for the KIDS. The whole point of helping others is to put your worries and desires aside and help OTHERS in need and support them in a way that is in THEIR best interest. It’s not about putting your own fantasies first before doing what could help the people in the greatest way possible with the resources you have. It’s about helping the maximum amount of people with the help you can provide and not being selective with who is eligible to recieve help.

Whenever you set out to help people, I believe it’s necessary to do research about what you are doing. Oprah places her emotions first and foremost before facts and logic. Emotions have their place and if a person’s heart isn’t in the work they are doing, then it’s not worth it. But research and knowledge about issues are also important. For a woman with Oprah’s stature and taking into consideration about the large number of people that follow her lead and rely on her to look for ways they can help, you would think she would be more responsible with the way she chooses to pursue her chariatable contributions. She is Oprah because so many people look up to her. She has been given her wealth and stature by the public that tunes into listen to her for advice, so I certainely would hope she would take the burden placed on her shoulders by her fans more seriously.

me Says: January 1st, 2007 at 10:41 pm - Great Post and ITA…
especially this part

“She financed the building of this $40 million school because SHE wanted a school built that was according to HER childhood dreams. She put her own desires before the needs of the kids. It’s her money and she can do what she wants with it, but it grates me that she passes that off as charity she did for the KIDS.”

annie Says:
January 1st, 2007 at 10:39 pm
According to NEWSWEEK the 1/8/2007 issue OPRAH’ s girls school will have a grand opening, in attendance will be Julia Roberts, John Travolta,Stevie Wonder Nelson Mandella and Angelina Jolie.
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Jan 8th is Zahara’s birthday, brad is accepting an award in Palm Springs Jan 7th, and is due back on the BB set soon. Seeing how this family goes everywhere together I very much doubt angie will be in South Africa. But hey I could be wrong.

Maybe Angie will bring Zahara with her. It would be appropriate since Z was born in Africa. It is true they are seldom apart, but not unthinkable.

I love that movie! Its one of my favorite movies.

Me-This your opinion and I respect it. It seem to be very thought out and honest.

But ,I must say that everyone has a their way of doing things and I guess we will not be able to satisfy all the people all the time. At least she tries to help for whatever reason. I don’t look at the reasons so much because sometimes you can get people wrong. If it is for emotional reasons,emotions can come from the heart. I look at the benefits the person in need recieve from from the thoughts of another human being. I hope and pray that the girls benefit greatly and become well educated women. Im sure that they will give back to their community,country,world.

for those of you who have a problem with OPRAH using her own money to invest in people who are in need what is your answer to ending poverty in AFRICA and how and when do you plan to implement it.

Hey guys, I hope you all had a great New Year’s

About the MAMS show…I’m skeptical because of the chemistry and also, because of Simon Kinberg. As we all know there were a lot of rewrites and deleted scenes which is fine if you’re filming a movie but I don’t know how that’s going to work out with the breakneck pace of television production.

This is my contribution to helping others. You cannot help everybody, you can only help people you feel like helping. We are not sent to everybody. I personally check out Angie’s charity because I feel connected to her. I applaud other people who do other things I don’t feel a connection to them but I wish them the best.

It is true if you go on newsweek.com it reports info. on Oprah’s story Aand in the story it stated that Angelina jolie will be one f the attedees at the school opening among others like julia roberts and john travolta.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! Espcially the oldtimers. Remember the old black interface that JJ had? How long ago was that? It was so hard to read. LOL!!!

Wishng you and yours a HEALTHY, PROSPEROUS and PEACEFUL NEW YEAR!

JJ & Audrey I wish you continued success in 2007 on this blog.

Early brthday wishes to BAMZS fans who have birthdays coming up this week. Capricorn’s Rock!

That TV version of M&MS is gonna be corny. The focus of the tv show will be the assasinations and the marriage problems being the running gag for the series. I bet you every episode will be like the old Charlie’s Angels show where the principals get their assignments and that assignment is the episode or they can do it like 24 & have the assasination target set up at the beginning of the series and the whole run of the show will be M&MS plotting to get their targets (yawn).

Where are the media getting information that Angelina will be at Oprah’s SA school? I think it’s a media tactic to get eyes on that opening, just like the Mayor of that Italian city used Brad & Angelina’s name to bring publicity to his town with talk of a wedding? Maybe the media are buying into the rumor of a wedding in SA (Hello Larry King) even after Angelina said there was no wedding. Maybe they have this crazy logic that because Oprah is opening a school in Africa that Brad & Angelina MUST OBVIOUSLY be there as well. Like they are the only people with any connection to Africa. What about Leo DiCaprio or Djimon Honsou or Harry Belafonte? How come their names weren’t dragged into this whole Oprah production? By the way Angelina started a school in Cambodia about 2 years ago I think and another vocational sewing school for girls in Kenya. No many know about these becasue she did it “quietly”. Anyway, it’s gonna be an interesting upcoming two week. But isn’t it always with our favorite couple?

14 DAYS UNTIL THE GOLDEN GLOBES.

I´m not sure about the idea of making a show about Mr and Mrs Smith…how is it going to be?
Love the movie, God the chemestry between them was unbelivable!