Kanye West: Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue

Magnus,

“Your argument is first hand experience and exposure enforces an individuals racial bias?”

No, my argument is that a veneer of first-hand experience does not guarantee a broader perspective. So, judging from your responses of, “What if your suspicions are wrong? How would you even know? Well I guess you could ask me,” I’ll assume that you agree with me.

“I don’t think S/I cares about the self important hip hop demo. Their marketing to visible minorities is well taken care of in their coverage of professional sports like basketball etc. The “black” market was sucked into SI a long time ago. Look up! There goes your argument.”

Point taken in that SI’s coverage of sports such as basketball already connect extremely well with the urban demographic. However, it would be presumptive to imply that any increased visibility and further market penetration would be unwelcome by any for-profit entity.

“What is stupid is people like P Diddy and Jay Z showing up to present at the Oscars. They’re not actors. And in those same years awards are handed out for performances that weren’t deserved of recognition of that caliber.”

I’m not so sure what either of them have to do with the Oscars either other than Jay-Z having a couple of small-time, indie-type, low budget productions of his own some time back, and Diddy having a couple of forgettable roles in a movie or two. But again, if there is a face that could increase exposure (or in this case ratings) by connecting with a sub-demographic, then so be it. The masses will consume whatever they’re fed. Blame the competitive nature of capitalism, the self-indulgent nature of entertainment, the sheepish consumer, the greed of corp. shareholders, or the “easy-pickings” of profits from the over saturation of hip hop into mainstream culture for the “stupidity” that you speak of. At the end of the day though, the Oscars will be over and completely milked by the network which will have collected its ad money (or kickbacks, receivables, or unmentionable favors), and every ACME corporation involved will have gained more exposure. The actors, awards, and presenters are simply being used as needed.

“Halle Berry and Jaime Fox has those things bought for them. Wouldn’t you agree whole heartedly with everything I said?”

Money speaks volumes, but people aren’t FORCED to listen.

Magnus,

more hot air………. and a hopeless case. You do know that you are hopeless right?

Your a fricking racist ok? Your entire perception is tainted by evil. Don’t try to recant now. You blew it buster!

We can argue with adamant racists like Magnus all day long and get nowhere. In this case, when a black person is in the gutter, Magnus kicks him down further. He sits with his racist buddies and discusses how blacks are the dregs of society with their drugs, poverty, rap music, baggy clothes, unwanted pregnancies and illiteracy.

When a black person is successful, Magnus become jealous. If a successful black person is around Magnus, they’d better watch their back because they are being examined under a microscope. I have seen racists who are literally obsessed with the black person who epitomizes either success or beauty. Some of the nicest, well-raised, intelligent blacks are targets of racists because the racist does not want to see them succeed above themselves. That’s why you are insecure, Magnus. Blacks in the presence of racists would be better off acting “ghetto” and scary because the racist may be frightened off or to a least a safe distance away. If they are too polite, racists often take that as an opportunity to ensnare them in a trap. When dealing with a racist, a black person is damned under ALL circumstances. This isn’t a good, honest discussion about valid points. Hatred is at the core of it.

Magnus I think you are an evil, unhappy person. It is clear to anyone who can read that you are NOT a fan of ANYTHING black.

lol

Delusional nitwit.

YOU

ARE

THE

RACIST!!!!

Being a proponent of racial segregation and identifying people per race makes you a bigot you GIGANTIC r*tard.

It is clear to anyone with even 2 or 3 brain cells that you can’t digest visually consumed material. It’s a pretty common problem with lower class adults.

Here’s some salt in your wound you insecure little b*tch, you’re not fit to lick my ass let alone claim you’re better looking. lol

You’re not enlightening anyone. You’re just outing yourself as a card carrying moron.

The last thing I would ever be afraid of is a black person. lol

Take your racist, uneducated, and I’m going to assume wide load ass and GTFO.

Look at the typical ass!

Retreating under the guise of moral superiority.

I’m a foreigner now? And I’M the racist?

You’re beyond…I mean just too far gone.

I guess it’s the insecurity that comes out of being told you’re hot sh*t only to find out your the most inconsequential race in America. And Canada. And Europe. And Asia. And Russia. lol

The past, present, and future looks pretty dim for you and your bigoted kind. Assimilate now while you’re still allowed to.

Talk about a second class citizen. You’d be lucky to get hired to pick up my trash. :D

btw: I’m back in Toronto. I’ll be here for a bit. Then to the USA. The maybe elsewhere. Because people like me do that while people like you go into debt to buy 8 thousand dollar rims for a 2 thousand dollar car.

And you still haven’t answered my question. Of course.

You’re boring. I make points, you cry like a little b*tch. Which is exactly the kind of behavior that started me in this thread. Thanks for playing right into it and TOTALLY BACKING UP EVERYTHING I’VE SAID.

magnus,

“I have a very honest question because I don’t know if it’s happened: has a black
person who makes it big as an actor or musician ever gone back to school and gotten a degree or higher degree?”

Hopefully this list isn’t exhaustive, but there are only three that I can think of that have returned to school after gaining notoriety/success, and only one that can be considered a “real” star…

Bill Cosby, comedian/actor - attended Temple Univ, dropped out to pursue comedy career, returned to Temple and completed undergrad, then completed grad. work at Univ. of Mass.
Ice Cube, rapper/actor - Univ of Phoenix online coursework before crossing over from music in to film (not sure if he graduated though)
David Banner, rapper & producer/engineer for T.I, Lil Flip, Nelly - Southern Univ. undergrad, returned for grad degree at Univ. of Maryland on scholarship.

However, there are waaaay more of black entertainers that have dropped-out of college to pursue their “dreams” in entertainment though. A few that I can think of: Lauryn Hill -Columbia Univ., Kanye - Chicago State Univ., Denzel - Fordham Univ…anyway it doesn’t count if you don’t complete your credit req’s though.

A few did have degrees before they entered the industry though: Taye Diggs, actor - Syracuse Univ., Blair Underwood, actor - Carnegie-Mellon Univ., Mario Van Peebles, actor/director - Columbia Univ., Amerie, singer - Georgetown Univ., Spike Lee, director - Morehouse Col. undergrad, Tisch - NYU grad, John Singleton, director - Univ. So. Cal….anyway enough of that.

In general though, in the States it seems like learning takes the backseat to earning. Unfortunately in the black community that mantra is even more prevalent and has been extremely crippling.

“How does one have a veneer of first hand experience?”

I’ve been hearing a lot of good things about Toronto, and I may roll up there in July for Caribana. I don’t doubt that the US and Canada have some distinct nuances in regards to their inter-ethnic relations. For instance, here (DC) a vast number of ethnic groups are represented (and yes I know that TO is ranked as the most culturally diverse city in the world), but only superficial interactions will ever occur between them unless any one particular individual is so inclined to “reach out”. In other words people tend to stick with their “like-kind”, it’s more like a salad bowl than a melting pot. So with that, it’s highly likely that only a veneer/gloss/shallow first-hand experience of any other ethnicity/culture will happen in passing. Maybe Toronto is different though.

In regards to, “Lastly…and I can’t believe I have to point it out again, you’re only 12% of America.”

Well, 12% of the US population works out to about 36 million people. To put that into perspective, the black American population is about 10% larger than the entire population of Canada. But, it would be incongruous to assume that population alone would determine whether or not a business should service or market to a particular demographic. You’ve got to market to the populations that have buying power in order to stay profitable. So since we brought up Canada, the US’s largest export partner, about a fifth of all of our exports end up there. Now imagine how the US would be affected if Canada closed its doors to our goods and services. Well then in the same token, the US would be just as adversely affected by a similar “door closing” by the black American market. Likely even more so, given that the black American GDP is 15% larger than the whole Canadian GDP. In other words, for better or worse, black Americans consume (or invest into the economy) 15% more goods/services than the US’s largest export partner. Disservicing such a market would prove to be a bit more than just a minor business oversight of an insignificant group of people.

Ahite, I’m sleepy.

In general though, in the States it seems like learning takes the backseat to earning. Unfortunately in the black community that mantra is even more prevalent and has been extremely crippling.

“How does one have a veneer of first hand experience?”

I’ve been hearing a lot of good things about Toronto, and I may roll up there in July for Caribana. I don’t doubt that the US and Canada have some distinct nuances in regards to their inter-ethnic relations. For instance, here (DC) a vast number of ethnic groups are represented (and yes I know that TO is ranked as the most culturally diverse city in the world), but only superficial interactions will ever occur between them unless any one particular individual is so inclined to “reach out”. In otherwords people tend to stick to their “like-kind”, it’s less like a melting pot and more like a salad bowl. So with that, it’s highly likely that only a veneer/gloss/shallow first-hand experience of any other ethnicity/culture will happen in passing. Maybe Toronto is different though.

In regards to, “Lastly…and I can’t believe I have to point it out again, you’re only 12% of America.”

Well, 12% of the US population works out to about 36 million people. To put that into perspective, the black American population is about 10% larger than the entire population of Canada. But, it would be incongruous to assume that population alone would determine whether or not a business should service or market to a particular demographic. You’ve got to market to the populations that have buying power in order to stay profitable. So since we brought up Canada, the US’s largest export partner, about a fifth of all of our exports end up there. Now imagine how the US would be affected if Canada closed its doors to our goods and services. Well then in the same token, the US would be just as adversely affected by a similar “door closing” by the black American market. Likely even more so, given that the black American GDP is 15% larger than the whole Canadian GDP. In otherwords, for better or worse, black Americans consume (or invest into the economy) 15% more goods/services than the US’s largest export partner. Disservicing such a market would prove to be a bit more than just a minor business oversight of an insignificant group of people.

Ahite, I’m sleepy.

Good points, but it will make no sense to bigots on this board.

“Well, 12% of the US population works out to about 36 million people. To put that into perspective, the black American population is about 10% larger than the entire population of Canada. But, it would be incongruous to assume that population alone would determine whether or not a business should service or market to a particular demographic. You’ve got to market to the populations that have buying power in order to stay profitable. So since we brought up Canada, the US’s largest export partner, about a fifth of all of our exports end up there. Now imagine how the US would be affected if Canada closed its doors to our goods and services. Well then in the same token, the US would be just as adversely affected by a similar “door closing” by the black American market. Likely even more so, given that the black American GDP is 15% larger than the whole Canadian GDP. In otherwords, for better or worse, black Americans consume (or invest into the economy) 15% more goods/services than the US’s largest export partner. Disservicing such a market would prove to be a bit more than just a minor business oversight of an insignificant group of people.”

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On credit. You forgot that part.

On average minorities in America are heavily in debt to the tune of 75% of their supposed equity.

Aside from that marketing based on race is still racist. So again you should all be pissed off about stuff like this. You’re being duped into the poor house one missed credit card payment at a time.

Per the comments on reaching out: self imposed segregation makes that rather difficult. Hence the split in the US.

Thanks for backing me up.

What an idiot! A lot of people are in debt, not just African Americans. We already know that blacks make up more of the poor here. What is your point? Sounds just like more racist ranting.

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