Jon Voight and Angelina Jolie on the Mends?

39 alittlejen : 10/07/2007 at 10:57 pm
29 juju : 10/07/2007 at 10:45 pm
25 alittlejen : 10/07/2007 at 10:40 pm
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The question is: How many times does she have to forgive him?

Sorry, but i think she has already forgive him to many times.

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I think Jon Voight has issues, like everyone of us do. I just think for the sake of her children she should at least make one more effort. Jon Voight really screwed up, by going public and saying things that should have remained private. I will say this if you followed this riff, at one point they seem to have had a great relationship, then Angelina marries Billy BoB, and we all know the rest of the story. If you look back at videos of Angelina during her Billy Bob phase, something seemed very off. That letter that Angelina has talked about could have been a form of intervention. I think any parent would be concerened if you see your child behaving in a certain way, his mistake was going public. I never felt that Jon Voight hated Angelina, I think he was concerned about her behavior.

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The problem is that the period you’re referring to is one of the few BRIEF periods in her life that Angelina felt connected to her father. She was making an effort to give him the benefit of the doubt after years of having no or minimal contact with him. At the same time she watched her mother struggle to make ends meet because JV wasn’t sending the support checks. Angie basically started modeling to help her mother out because her father was a big cad - and verbally abusive when he was around. Verbal abuse can take many forms - calling your kid stupid, telling them they’re worthless, not pretty, etc. After years of having her father let her down when Angie made LC:TR she thought it would be a good chance to bond with her father again. And just when she thought they were doing okay he gives her an abusive letter just as she’s going off on her first humanitarian trip to Sierra Leone. What happened had nothing whatsoever to do with BBT. It was just JV being his usual ass-hole self. Angie has said in the past that in the letter he told her she wasn’t a good person and needed psychiatric help and a bunch of other shite. What kind of MAN tells his kid that as she’s boarding a plane to one of the biggest war-torn places in all of Africa?

I think what people keep forgetting is that it’s not just Angie that doesn’t want anything to do with JV. James doesn’t speak to him either. Obviously he’s a much better gage of whether or not Angie should bother with the man or not and James doesn’t speak to highly of the man.

39 alittlejen : 10/07/2007 at 10:57 pm
29 juju : 10/07/2007 at 10:45 pm
25 alittlejen : 10/07/2007 at 10:40 pm
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The question is: How many times does she have to forgive him?

Sorry, but i think she has already forgive him to many times.

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I think Jon Voight has issues, like everyone of us do. I just think for the sake of her children she should at least make one more effort.

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Alittlejen, you mean well I’m sure but not every parent deserves to have contact with their children. SOME ISSUES are bigger than other issues.

A father who has sexually abused his child doesn deserve contact with his child. A father who has sexually abused another child, doesn’t deserve contact with his own child. A father or mother who has physically abused his child does not deserve contact with his child. He or she may deserve forgiveness - just because not forgiving is more damaging on the victim then it is on the abuser. But just because the victim forgives his/her parents doesn’t mean he or she should have regular contact or indeed any contact with a sexually or physically abusive parent. Do you agree??

Like all things, the tricky part is mental/emotional abuse of a child.

Mental and emotional abuse of a child can be every bit as harmful as physical and sexual abuse of a child. If you call a child stupid, dumb, useless, hopeless, unloveable. if you throw words at your child which are totally mean and abusive, this can be just as bad as physical abuse for the child. If you “give” love one moment and are cold, dismissive, hurtful, threatening and/or abandoning the next.

I do make a distinction between mentally and emotionally abusing a child and mentally and emotionally abusing an adult. Because a child doesn’t really have any defences. A child CANNOT BE RESPONSIBLE. Unlike an adult who puts up with mental and emotional abuse, who has the power to walk away, a CHILD DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO LEAVE. An adult needs to take the responsibility of WALKING AWAY from an abusive relationship. It seems to me that that is what James, Marcheline and Angelina did when they called ENOUGH on Jon voight. That is an RESPONSIBLE MATURE THING TO DO.

If, Angelina, and perhaps James, feel that they are now ready for the next step along their journey with their father, which is to allow him LIMITED ACCESS, because he is their father, then good for them. I hope they gain more than they lose from this contact. I hope the figure out away not to let their father hurt them with his words. To have no expectations of him behaving better, because truthfully, you cannot expect someone to change, you can only change yourself and your attitudes. But if you have no expectations, if you re-enter this sort of relationship because you wish to be at peace with your “father” as he is, then OK, you wil probably emerge an even better person then you were. But you better have your boundaries in place and well taken care of by yourself and those who love you.

What is Jared talking about with Shiloh and Pax? They aren’t in the photo’s at the helicopter ride.

As far as Voight is concerned he’s a MOFO of the highest order. Highly doubt he was there to see Angelina and the kids especially since she wasn’t there. He’s such a f*cker that whatever meeting he had to go to he chose the Waldorf on purpose because that’s his psychotic style.

44 QQQQ : 10/07/2007 at 11:03 pm
39 alittlejen : 10/07/2007 at 10:57 pm - Did u read what Jamie said???? He mentally abused MB for years and he did the same to the kids. Do you think it was a coincidence the MB left it in her will that he owed her money. And what did he do, instead of letting it go, he had his people tell People mag that he doesn’t know MB is talking about, he didn’t owe any money, thus making it seem as if she is a liar.

So is Jamie gonna suffer for NOT having him in his life or does this only apply to Angie. Don’t u all find it funny that he used the front entrance. PLEASE….

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Amen, 4Q. Everybody acts like Angie’s an only child and she’s just blowing this all out of proportion. She spent her entire childhood alternating between being neglected and trotted out for big occasions like the Oscars so everyone could see JV’s cute kiddies…and then watching as her mother struggled and JV went back to ignoring them or being verbally & mentally abusive. Sometimes enough is enough.

Obviously Angie reached that point and nobody should foist their belief of a reconcilliation onto her. They don’t know what she suffered at the hands of this man, so they need to stop acting like Angie is shutting him out on a whim or over something minor. People keep saying JV deserves a second chance - well, the thing is, he’s had second, third, forth and fifth chances. Angie’s whole life has been a series of “second chances” for JV. At this point it’s probably more like a two-hundredth chance.

What is Phuleasing? Can anyone tell me

No

because J V doesn’t even know Zahara’s name. I think that tells alot about this man and his sincerity.

Jon is walking on the streets of New York, ALONE. I draw no conclusions to this. Jon runs his mouth off and I can see why Angelina has kept him away from her children.

ask fresh, she’s the one who started the phulease as in please?

#72 frenchy I Agree! IT’s inevitable

73 Jan : 10/07/2007 at 11:30 pm

Jon is walking on the streets of New York, ALONE.

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Exactly. But he went to the Waldorf for whatever reasons. He has a card and a piece of paper with a bunch of writing on it. They weren’t even there when he was there and NO WAY is Angelina leaving Shiloh and Pax with Jon Voight. He hasn’t even met any of those kids let alone those two. And he better straighten up and fly right because if he thinks Brad’s going to allow him to upset or embarrass Angelina by using his kids, he’s really insane.

36 Lady G : 10/07/2007 at 10:53 pm
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Well I never knew he said that but I trust that Angie will do the right thing. She has always said her children are her first priority. So I don’t think she’ll let her father back into her life and bond with her kids if he’s only going to treat Shiloh better than her brothers and sister. Time will tell though!

it’s multiplying, oh lordy lord.

We dont know whether JV vistied Angie or not. He could have been at the hotel for a business meeting or meet up with a friend.

Just because it’s Waldorf Astoria doesnt necessarily mean father and daughter meet.

Please look at all the justjared photos. Underneath all those pictures, jared always put the source of his photos. It seems that INF Daily are and have been taking all the JoliePitt pictures daily. They must be the group who is staking out everyday. A check at jared’s archive will tell. INF does take a lot of the JoliePitt pic in NYC.

My question is : Why didnt INF capture this picture of JV. If you look at JV photo credit, its Pacific-coast news, NOT INF.

As is INF’s daily routine, INF must be staking out the hotel, follow Brad/Angie to the helicopter pad, wait and wait until Brad/Angie came back from helicopter. That’s why INF has pic of Brad to and from the heli pad. If that is the case, this JV photo could have been taken during the Brad/Angie’s absence from the hotel.

May be someone can fill me in on this

He is an old man. of course he’s gonna forget names and ish like that.

Nancy Drew
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Yes we do know that they are at the Waldorf Astoria, unless the media has been getting it wrong for a few weeks now.

I don’t think any of the fans here would deny that Angie was a wild child when she was younger - and in fact it makes the person that she is now even more amazing. It’s the fact that JV couldn’t keep his family matters private that caused the problem. On top of everything that happened when Angie and James were growing up etc. I am sure there is plenty that we don’t even know about.

I mean look at Britney’s mom for example - even with everything going on lately she has had the good sense to say very little to the media.

Never mind that JV only seems to want Angie as long as she is the version he expects, and that he revels in the PR that being her father gets him. Just because he is old doesn’t mean he is wise.