Roseanne Barr Hates Oprah

BUT I LOVE OPRAH!!!

oprah THE BEST!

roseanne barr just wants attention. she’s like the wingnut who sits on the front porch with a bottle of whiskey, an old hound and a bottle of voka, bitching about life and saying outlandish ****. and like that old *****, she should just be ignored.

oprah is golden, she’s the real deal, and so is barack obama. if people had any balls, they would vote for barack. the machines that have been running washington have left quite a mess and someone strong needs to go in and clean that **** up. barack is the man.

Harsh! Roseanne’s face looks like a dried apricot. So much dislike for someone. What ashame! I like Oprah!

Politicians are all fake! It is a part of their stratedgy to win.

Ignorance can never be disguised as anything else… need anyone say more?

thats a f*cking funny blog and shes a 100 % right. Oprah is a stupid bandwagon jumping b*tch

obama is a soulless wishywashy f*ck and hilary is f*cking useless with no real policies. only one with any decency is Kucinich. The rest can f*ck off and die as far as i am concerned.

Loathe Oprah. What a self-serving and haughty control freak she is. And the masses of desperate housewives that fawn over everything she tells them is important are just as bad.

Roseanne is a loose cannon. LOL!!!! She gets it wrong more than she gets it right. Fisrt of all, both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are really intelligent. OK? So is John Edwards. They are all really intelligent people. And frankly, I feel like no matter which one of them comes out on top we will ALL win. Bcz there is not one single Republican who can ever again make me think about voting for a Republican. None. Nada. And I think all this arguing among the Dems is wrong. Yes they are campaigning. But they need to focus on the Republicans. People are angry at Bush. Why don’t they go after what is wrong in Washington instead of being negative about each other. Roseanne needs to STFU! If Barack Obama is gaining support, it is bcz his message of hope and believing in yourself and saying “Yes we can!” is something people really need right now. We have been totally smushed by Bush and all the terrible things that have happened in the last eight years. Beginning with the Supreme Court stealing the 2000 election for him. So the people are ready for a change. They are ready to stop being ruled by fear and would rather be ruled by hope. I am all for that. Hillary is a brilliant person. But why didn’t her and her husband criticize Bush all these years? Instead, Bill Clinton is always hanging around them. I don’t trust that. Bush is an evil man. But if Hillary is the one who wins the nomination, I will vote for her. I sure wish Al Gore would have run.

OMG, she’s so right! other people don’t have the guts to say that. harsh but true. Obama is a big talker.

Angelina Jolie is hoping baby No. 5 will be her second biological child with Brad Pitt.

http://www.ok-magazine.com/news/view/3710

Its not like obama is gonna win!!!!!! he wont win, america doesnt want a black president!

I agree w/Rosane in that Oprah is a seller of empty hopes, Oprah plays the race card very well, while in the same time NEVER addressing the true problem of colored women, none to say colored peoples.
Oprah will never stand for anything that is controversial or that will harm her bottom line.
Oprah is a fake.
She only cares about what whiddle upper middles class white women has to say - they are the ones buying her products.
I do not know any and I mean any color woman or men or family that is middle class or lower that can practice any of the things she preaches…
Oprahis another lie that the “main stream” sells, we in the lower end of the spectrum are too busy keeping up with their lies to have any time for important things like:
-Equality among social class, gender, sexual orientation, etc
-Social Justice
-Fair taxes
you name it, Oprah does not have an opinion, she is another entretainer that is there to take our time up, feeding us impossibles and making us desire the vanalities of life instead of substance… instead of a meaningful life.

I know lots of people - including my soon-to-be-can-not-wait-to mother in law and husband - that do not like Hillary.

Among all, she is the one that have so much experience and if you travel abroad, she does have INSTANT credibility and love of the people… electing Hillary will further our goal of repairing our image abroad.

I am not saying that I like EVERYTHING about that person, but I know she learns from her mistakes and she does study and take into consideration the knowledge of people…

I do not think that there is another more fit candidate at this moment, except for Edwards, but his “war to poverty” is not gaining track, Mr K has great ideas, but he will never be elected - he does not look Presidential.
On the Republican side the only open minded person - half way is… oh man! I can not recall… I guess there is no one… however Ron Paul does have very good ideas and implementatio n plans to bring this country back to a Republican way of goverment.

I like him (Ron Paul)

That said, I do not know that he would be able to implement his ideas due to the imperialistic nature of US interest abroad…. too much money, too much grid….

too many Oprahs.

I have been saying for the last 15 years, she is a fake.

Oprah is a fake….

I totally agree with Roseanne. Oprah gave Arnold a free hour of advertising when she had him on her nationally televised show because she is friends with his wife. That is irresponsible! she completely softballed George Bush in 2000 and skewered Al Gore. No she acts differently by going on the campaign trail and thinking it has nothing to do with her show. Obama is too vague and has a very poor record toward working people.

She is right,Oprah is a closet racist.All those white women that worship her do not realize this.But if you listen to the comments she makes about the school she opened in suoth africa “I do not owe anything to the white folks in africa” I have white people serving me” .I do not like her or Obama.VOTE Hillary.

What a dumb *****. She obviously has no idea what she’s talking about, and feels the need to be ‘controversial’ due to the fact that no one cares about ******* Roseanne anymore. Booh to that.

I agree with GBW up there, if Oprah had any brains or were in any way interested in the future of America, she would have used her power and the “Oprah Machine” to educate people that watch her show… she does have the platform and the money to do so, instead she whines about inner city kids that want iPod… what a greedy person…

My kids go to a inner city magnet HS, and they DO use their iPods for homework… I do not know what the kids that do not have one do, but when I read that I felt anger, Oprah is disconected and she simply does not care.

Oprah saying that she does not help American kids because they only want iPods

is the same the

Geoge Bush saying that there where no poor children in Texas….

Welcome to the East Austin, Welcome to Del Valle… welcome to any city in the great USA and you will see hungry crildren.

Mr Bill Gates and in s smaller manner Mr Dell have put some of their money where their mouth are, here and abroad they help High Schoolers… and they give away laptops and so on… they fund special program that the over taxes middle class and the lower economical classes can no longer bear and help out.

Oprah goes and donate in a country where her status will not be challanged… she is cheap.
Just look into her New Orleans “effors” it only consist in lending her face to tell people to donate, along with corporate donors… she does not put any substancial amount of money of that effort but she sure takes credit for it… with her money she could have completelly rebuilt a war….

But noooooo…. she just goes for some foto ops and she goes back to her dogs…

Oprah is not worth it, I not only have not watch her shows, but I do not support anything she does…

She is sneaky and mean.

She is a fake.

Obama will be another GWB - a president with “handlers” because he does not know anything about anything…

We had enough of that

It is time that we put someone who can count and read in the Oval Office.

Someone with guts.

Oprah endorsing Obama actually show how shallow they both are.

Obama ? what’s his Plan ?

Beats the rationale of:

“He is black, he is handsome, he is charismatic”

you can also add several derrogative adjectives to the above…

I do like Obama, but I think he should finish at least one senatorial period before he does anything else… he does not have his own ideas… his ideas are base on books and people telling him what to do… not of experience and negotiation skills….

As I said before, we need some open minded brainy person in the Oval Office..

Go Rosie!!!!!

She hit all the right notes.

i don’t care about Roseanne at all, but she really got a point this time.

Thank you Roseanne! I could not agree more! I am NO fan of Oprah.

i totally agree!
Oprah is a racist of the worst kind
How dare she have a show and get flithy rich off the americans (white and black) and speak about women’s rights for 20 years then support Obama!
If she was not bank rolling him he would be nothing
He is terrible
It is a disgrace that she is not supporting Hillary
Shame on Oprah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Riiigghhtt. And Roseanne is such a great judge of character. And she isn’t exactly the most mentally stable person anyway. We are supposed to take HER opinion seriously. I don’t think so. As a matter of fact, if Rosanne Barr, of all people, is backing Hilary Clinton then you KNOW that is the wrong candidate.

Ouch. I love Roseanne and I hate Oprah…but I really do like Obama.

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AMEN, Roseanne. Hilary has the knowledge and experience that Obama does not. Obama scares the hell out of me.

Sing it, sister!

I’m no Roseanne fan, either, but she’s dead on in what she says about Obama. It’s easy to SAY change, but there’s been nothing in BO’s brief resume to demonstrate his ability to ACHIEVE change. Anything else and you’re just Jimmy Carter redux, an inexperienced outsider who hasn’t got the tools to bring Congress on board with his agenda.

Say what you will about Hillary, but when I look at her, I think, this is a gal who will KNOW how to flex her Presidential power when she’s got it.

Roseanne DUMB BAR and all the rest of the Obama haters can go to hell.

The funny thing is,if the Democrats really want to win the ticket is going to have be Obama/Clinton or Clinton/Obama… so hurling insults at either candidate is useless.

You need to find something about Clinton you like as well as Obama and get over it. We need to rally behind both of them no matter the outcome and hopefully we can get this country back on track.

Edwards has no chance, he already was part of two failed campaign attempts…let it go John let it go.

ALL YOU PEOPLE THAT KEEP TALKING ABOUT OBAMA BEING AN EMPTY SUIT:

REMEMBER, HILARY VOTED FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ WITHOUT LOOKING AT INTEL AND ONLY 5 YEARS LATER DID SHE STOP VOTING TO FUND IT.

HILARY=BUSH

THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT EXPERIENCE, REMEMBER BUSH-CHENEY HAVE ALL THE EXPERIENCE (AS WELL AS HIS ADMIN) AND LOOK WHERE IT HAS GOTTEN US. THIS IS ABOUT TRANSITION.

VOTE HILARY, VOTE FOR OLD FRIENDSHIP, OLD BAGGAGE, OLD COMMITMENTS AND HAVE EVERYONE WORRY ABOUT HER PAST, VOTE OBAMA AND WE LOOK TOWARDS THE FUTURE.

OBAMA-EDWARDS 2008

the first woman as president would be a history too. if i were american..i would vote for h. clinton! and this has nothing to do with black or white i’m just for the “girl” power!

Jade speak truth.

I don’t care if Hillary has a ****** or not. Her and Bush go hand and hand and I’m not crazy.

I certainly don’t like Roseanne BUT I agree with pretty much every point she makes.

I don’t mind Oprah but she does have a huge African-American chip on her shoulder even though White America accepted her a long time ago & made her what she is today. I think her support of Obama is more for her own satisfaction - it’s just about a black guy running america for her.

Go Rosanne! It’s about time someone told it like it is.

I’m well educated and am not a ’stay at home type of woman’, but I do enjoy some of Oprah’s shows - she’s great at inspiring people but of course she’s self-serving - it’s her show!

All that being said, I think Roseanne has some valid points and believe Hilary is the best PERSON for the job. Wish I could vote for her!

Opinions!! are great…… Votes!! are better…..

Hillary is not the best person for the job. She is GWB in sheeps clothing.

Anyone who can’t see that, hasn’t really looked at her policies.

Roseanne just wants some political clout hence her shooting off at the mouth.

You know what I find interesting about Roseanne, is that, she states she’s for the little people and wants to help the working everyday American, and yet doesn’t use this time to support John Edwards, who is fights for the same ideals Roseanne says she supports?

She wants to vote for Hillary because she’s a woman. Forget the fact that Hillary voted for Iraq, something Roseanne is against, forget the fact that the former Clinton signed a lot jobs away with trade agreement, forget all that, vote for Hillary because she has a v*agina and she’ll legalize abortion or whatever . ..

Forget Hillary she’s GWB in sheeps clothing and I’m not buying it.

Well said! And oh so true!

@ # 19 Kathy - Who gives a **** about if Angelina The ***** will have another one of Brad’s The Cheat baby! There are much more important issues in this world that those 2! But I’m forgetting … you’re coming from Lahlah Land…

I forgot ROSEANNE IS A HUGE HAS BEEN.

The sad thing is, I agree with Roseanne. Never been an Oprah fan - she always seemed super fake to me. With that said, I don’t want to vote for Barack OR Hillary. Barack doesn’t have the experience and doesn’t ever seem to answer a question straightforward (enough doubletalk!) and the Clintons are too close to the Bushes nowadays. John Edwards needs a miracle now or I’ll be voting Republican come election time *shudders*.

Oprah is so better than her!

I like Roseanne and she dead right! about Obama. I’m voting for Hillary Clinton not because she is a woman but because she is the most experience person and for those idiots who keep comparing Obama’s resume with Hillary pls check this out some of Hillary’s highlights:

After graduation Wellesley College and Yale Law School, Hillary advised the Children’s Defense Fund in Cambridge and joined the impeachment inquiry staff advising the Judiciary Committee of the House of Representatives. After completing those responsibilities, she “followed her heart to Arkansas,” where Bill had begun his political career.

They married in 1975. She joined the faculty of the University of Arkansas Law School in 1975 and the Rose Law Firm in 1976. In 1978, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of the Legal Services Corporation, and Bill Clinton became governor of Arkansas. Their daughter, Chelsea, was born in 1980.

Hillary served as Arkansas’s First Lady for 12 years, balancing family, law, and public service. She chaired the Arkansas Educational Standards Committee, co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, and served on the boards of the Arkansas Children’s Hospital, Legal Services, and the Children’s Defense Fund.

As the nation’s First Lady, Hillary continued to balance public service with private life. Her active role began in 1993 when the President asked her to chair the Task Force on National Health Care Reform. She continued to be a leading advocate for expanding health insurance coverage, ensuring children are properly immunized, and raising public awareness of health issues. She wrote a weekly newspaper column entitled “Talking It Over,” which focused on her experiences as First Lady and her observations of women, children, and families she has met around the world. Her 1996 book It Takes a Village and Other Lessons Children Teach Us was a best seller, and she received a Grammy Award for her recording of it.

As First Lady, her public involvement with many activities sometimes led to controversy. Undeterred by critics, Hillary won many admirers for her staunch support for women around the world and her commitment to children’s issues.

She was elected United States Senator from New York on November 7, 2000. She is the first First Lady elected to the United States Senate and the first woman elected statewide in New York.
Lived: 1947-

Mrs. William J. Clinton.

Now you’re going to tell me that Obama is going to reform Healthcare, help working families and be able to work with the U.S. Congress after bashing Democratic leaders….Yeah right.

wow, she looks SO scary!!!

she is true Oprah is a republican and is only voting for Barack because he is black there is no problem in that but she is such a fake admit you voted for George Bush funny how she didn’t slam him for Hurricane Katrina

Wow! Not usually a fan of the screaming one, but I really like her points, and totally AGREE!!!!

Oprah is about the worst thing to happen to women this century.

Roseanne still has some fans lol.
she’s going to be happy about this she found some people who are as desperate as her.

GO HILARY CLINTON WILL BE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT IS OBAMA, IT IS GOING TO BE STRONG. FISRT TIME TO HAVE WOMAN PRESIDENT AND IF THE BRAIN OF CLINTON AND OBAMA JOIN, IT WILL GOING TO BE FANTASTIC AND AMERICA WILL BE STRONGEST COUNTRY AGAIN. I WANT HILARY TO WIN, BECAUSE WHEN BILL CLINTON WAS A LEADER, EVERYTIME THEY WILL DO SOMETHING GOOD FOR ALL THE HUMAN RACE AND THE WORLD, SOMEONE ALWAYS F..KING UP THEIR PLAN. HOPEFULLY THIS TIME, IF HILARY WILL WIN, THEY ALREADY KNOW WHAT TO DO. CLINTON HAVE TO FINISH ALL THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE. I AM CANADIAN BUT, I PAYED THAT ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE, LOOK AND LISTEN TO ALL CANDIDATES AND DON’T LOOK ANS LISTEN TO OPRAH. I DON’T WHY OPRAH IS PUTTING ALL HIS STRENGTH TO OBAMA, AND SHE IS TRYING TO TALK TO ALL THE ACTOR AND ACTRESS THAT SHE KNOWS AND BELIEVED AND LOOK AT HER AS ROLE MODEL TO VOTE OBAMA. OF COURSE THEY ALL DEMOCRATIC, BUT OPRAH AT FIRST I KIND OF LIKE YOU AND WATCHING YOUR SHOW. BUT WHEN YOU GO OUT THERE TO HELP OBAMA, I KIND OF LOST MY APPRECIATION TOWARDS YOU. I APPLAUDED THE STAR, THAT NEVER MENTION WHO ARE THEY GOING TO VOTE, BUT LISTEN AND LET THEIR EARS AND EYES WIDE OPEN AND LEARN WHO ARE THE BEST TO BE A LEADER. PEACE LOVE NOT WAR!

I AGREE WITH #24 AND #27. AGAIN, OPRAH WANTS TO BE SUPERIOR BECAUSE SHE THINK, SHE IS SO GOOD, YOU CAN SEE THAT BY USING HER OWN NAME TO THAT SCHOOL IN AFRICA AND MAKE IT LIKE A PRIVATE SCHOOL FOR GIRLS ONLY. I BET YOU ALL THOSE MONEY SHE USED ARE FROM THE DONATION TO HER ANGEL WHATEVER. IF SHE REALLY WANT TO HELP, SHE DOESN’T NEED TO USE HER NAME AND MAKE A SCHOOL FOR BOYS AND GIRLS. GO HILARY, ALL WOMAN OUTHERE, TRY TO BE SMART AND USED YOUR OWN BRAIN. GO HILARY!

READ #66 I TOALLY AGREE;

I certainly don’t like Roseanne BUT I agree with pretty much every point she makes.

I don’t mind Oprah but she does have a huge African-American chip on her shoulder even though White America accepted her a long time ago & made her what she is today. I think her support of Obama is more for her own satisfaction - it’s just about a black guy running america for her.

Oprah IS totaly all about the BLACK people!!! That is a given, she always has been. Backing Obama does her no good. Not because he is black but because he has little experiance. Quit frankly I have a problem with electing anyone with a Muslim name, I could care less if he is black. If he can do the job and do it right that is all that matters. I just don’t think he can, and I do NOT want someone to be president that has the same last name as most the people that want to blow us up!

Oh, Yeah, and Roseanne is just a loud, stupid, liberal, white trash, idiot, that no one cares a crap about!

91 groundcontrol @ 01/10/2008 at 12:32 pm

Ha! I love her - crazy as she can be. She’s right on this.

And do not compare Hillary’s tenure as First Lady with that of those housewives who played hostess. Her work while first lady was much more policy oriented and driven than almost any other’s - she’s much more comparable to Eleanor Roosevelt than the Bushes.

Unfortunately Obama’s run for the presidency is premature. Considering he had the incredible benefit of a door opening Harvard law degree his experience and accomplishments are underwhelming. He needs more experience on the national and international level before he is ready. Three years as some mediocre law firm associate (only second chairing cases) and 7 years as a state legislator just doesn’t cut it at this level. He’s lucky the stronger Republican Senate candidate suffered a campaign ending scandal in the middle of the race and all Obama had to run against was the certifiably insane Alan Keyes or Obama would still be back in Illinois. Obama has great potential and I like a lot about him but this campaign is an exercise in ego and it’s showing.

Maybe you have to be a little nuts to be as open and honest as Roseanne is. You go, girl.
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I agree!

VOTE FOR HUCKABEE!!!!!

102 April @ 01/10/2008 at 1:37 pm Oprah IS totaly all about the BLACK people!!! That is a given, she always has been. Backing Obama does her no good. Not because he is black but because he has little experience. Quite frankly I have a problem with electing anyone with a Muslim name, I could care less if he is black. If he can do the job and do it right that is all that matters. I just don’t think he can, and ,b>I do NOT want someone to be president that has the same last name as most the people that want to blow us up!
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You mean Osama, and that’s his first name. I think it’s Barack Obama’s middle name (Hussein?) that is/sounds Muslim.
Nothing wrong with that (what’s in a name), but I think if he became the candidate, the Republicans will bash him for his Muslim connection and scare the voters. I think the Republicans would love for the Democrats to choose Barack Obama.

I don’t like big mouth Rosanne, but I have to agree with her in this one

91 groundcontrol @ 01/10/2008 at 12:32 pm
91 groundcontrol @ 01/10/2008 at 12:32 pm
“Ha! I love her - crazy as she can be. She’s right on this.
And do not compare Hillary’s tenure as First Lady with that of those housewives who played hostess. Her work while first lady was much more policy oriented and driven than almost any other’s - she’s much more comparable to Eleanor Roosevelt than the Bushes.
Hi groundcontrol,
I also agree with re: your analysis of Hillary’s role during Bill Clinton’s presidency. Although Bill is the Rhodes, the mumblings during his Presidency was that she was the brains…I’m not saying this is true, but she is no dummy and is very policy savvy.

Well, Roseanne is as ignorant as I thought she always was. This from a woman who married TOM ARNOLD???!!!!. Obama has a fresh take on the old school politics. Hillary is a manipulative, out to get em fake. She voted for the Iraq war TWICE! When her numbers were down, she went through a crying fit to show poor women how alike them she is and to get sympathy! I did not believe those shameful tears for a minute! In common with American women? Hillary has nothing in common with most poor or middle class women besides a physical commality of being female. She is a rich conniving political ***** who wants power. And she has always been filthy rich. Yeah, a lot in common! Roseanne needs to check Hillary’s record a bit. So isn’t Hillary playing the Gender card? Gouing after woman and claiming how alike them she is? Obama has not once discussed his race in thi race. Besides, Obama is BOTH black and White. His mother was white so Roseanne you are wrong there too. He only claims Black because that is how America sees him. His mother was White and his step-father was Asian. He is multi-cultural and that is wonderful. Roseanne izx just bitter that she is a has been who America wrote off after her show ended and after her awful singing of the anthem. She is not on the radar. Nobody cares about Rseanne and she is bitter that Oprah is still relevant and successful. And Roseanne, if you are such a feminist, why are you attacking another woman for doing and exercising her American right to support her candidate of choice???? Besides, she is living and working in Illinois. Onama is and was her Senator so she probably knows his work better. The Clintons are old school political machines that people are tired of. Hillary is the xame thing dressed in different costumes. She is fake. And I don’t buy this overnight new more compassionate Hillary. Give me a break. SDo a woman has to be a crying whining cow to be compassionate? Get yourself together Hillary and explain to us why 17 polls were strangely wrong on this outcome. No wonder Kerry just endorsed Obama. I am sick of Hillary and her fake tears. Besides, this is not a monarchy, just as we don’t need more Bushes in the White House, we don’t need another Clinton eventhough Bill did a good job. Time to make way for a fresher and more genuine American president.

FYI: Obama is Christian. His father was Muslim.. People said Kennedy could not win because he was Catholic. America is greast. This is the land of all possibilities.

PULICITY STUNT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SHE JUST WANT PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT HER WHAT SHE REALLY NEED IS TO SHUT HER IGNORANT ANNOYING SELF UP, THIS ISN”T REALLY ABOUT OPRAH ITS ABOUT OBAMA I CAN CARE LESS ABOUT OPRAH BUT WHO THE HELL IS ROSEANNE TO TELL HER WHO SHE SHOULD SUPPORT, SHES JUST MAD BECAUSE OBAMA WAS KICKING HILARYS ASS AND THAT SHE HAD TO ALMOST CRY ON T.V TO GET SOME VOTES, IF ORPAH SUPPORTED HILARY ANOTHER IDIOT WOULD RISE AND SAY “OPRAH”S ONLY SUPPORTING HER BECUASE SHE A WOMAN” JUST LIKE HER UNEDUCATED SELF IS SAYING THAT “OPRAH IS ONLY SURPOTIONG OBAMA BECAUSE HE”S BLACK”…………………INCASE SHE HASN’T NOTICIED, HALF OF HOLIWOOD WHITE, BLACK, YOUNG OR OLD ALL SURPORT OBAMA AND EVEN HILARY TOO. SHE IS SO STUPID

113 first and last post @ 01/10/2008 at 2:09 pm #110 Orchid @ 01/10/2008 at 2:02 pm
“I think if he became the candidate, the Republicans will bash him for his Muslim connection and scare the voters. I think the Republicans would love for the Democrats to choose Barack Obama.”
Hi Orchid,
saw your post as I was upthreading. Interesting comment you made and you may be correct. I have to think more about it because I never thought of that aspect.
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Hi!
I think the Republicans will definitely do that, and if Hillary is the candidate, they will tell voters that Bill will be chasing interns.
You know, I don’t think he will. He will look, but he has no time to chase. He is older now. He has had heart surgery. He has been given a second chance at life. He will do everything to make it up to his wife and the people.
He would improve relations with other countries. WJC is very popular outside the US. He will go on raising money for charity and AIDS victims. He will only look at pretty girls. Nothing wrong with that? My husband looks at pretty girls. I look at cute guys.

96 chris @ 01/10/2008 at 12:49 pm

GO HILARY CLINTON WILL BE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT IS OBAMA,…….
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I call that a dream-ticket, Chris!

Another plus for HRC, imo.
Everybody agrees that it’s very important for the US to improve relations with other countries, after W is out.
Why do you think JPMorgan has given Tony Blair a high-paying parttime position? Because of his connections around the world.
Bill Clinton has that too!

ORCHID: BECAUSE YOU THINK PEOPLE WILL CHANGE THEIR VOTE BECAUSE OF YOUR COMMENTS ON A GOSSIP BLOG.
MMMMMMM ARE YOU MENTALLY RETARDED.?
I WANT THE BEST TO WIN AND I DON’T CARE WHO IT WILL BE.
JUST LET THE PEOPLE CHOOSE.
GO AND VOTE FOR THE BEST AND NO TO WAR.

Orchid @ 01/10/2008 at 2:35 pm
I think what people are forgetting is that Bill Clinton had tremendous international clout, he was liked and respected and so was Hillary. America’s world influence is tattered and needs repair badly.
Also for the poster who claimed that Hillary would not get along with others in the Senate or Congress, not true at all. The press and insiders have been overwhelmingly surprised how she has mended many bad ties with powerful senators and congressmen while as Senator. She is coming into her own right now.
I agree that Bill is older AND wiser. He would not repeat what happened to him as president. He is aware all the world is looking at his behavior if Hillary would be President. He got “lucky” regarding his behavior and as much as the news crucified him, Hillary stood out.

Jared, you should have printed this with all of Roseanne’s grammar erros to show how completely illiterate she is. Besides are women, housewives, forgetting Hillary’s infamous statement years ago that she is not some “Tammy Winnette “Stand by your man woman baking cookies at home?”. Yeah Hillary, there are many women who happen to be housewives who care for their children and bake cookies at home. Are they not worth your vote or are they now that you want the Presidency? What a fake she is. Hmm, most self-respecting women would NOT stand by their men after he cheated on them with the office intern. But you did. Yeah, really feminist and progressive of you Hillary. ANd as for Roseanne, she married Tom Arnold. Case closed. This now “Z” list celeb has been is finished. She is poison. She is a nightmare to work with which is the reason why she has not been able to make a deal for a new show since her show ended. Roseanne, who is the publicity seeking has been now? Get a grip. You don’t have to vote for Hillary just cause she is a woman. You vote for who is real and genuine. Hillary is old school politics. And she needs to explain why she voted for the Iraq war twice.

Roseanne is a UGLY ASS JEALOUS MOOSE.

Eff that has been, Roseanne.

Rose is a rambling old psychotic has been. Who has to say stupid ass sh*t to get people to notice her.

So let me get this straight. Oprah is supporting Obama because he’s black and that is wrong. But Roseanne is supporting Hillary because she is a white woman and that’s okay. Oprah has the right to support any candidate she chooses, as does Roseanne. If this is the type of person that is supporting Hillary, and by that I mean a person who is willing to be divisive and racist, then there is no way that I would support a Hillary Presidency. It would be sad if the Dems became the party of the racists.

130 first and last post @ 01/10/2008 at 2:59 pm Orchid @ 01/10/2008 at 2:35 pm

I think what people are forgetting is that Bill Clinton had tremendous international clout, he was liked and respected and so was Hillary. America’s world influence is tattered and needs repair badly.
Also for the poster who claimed that Hillary would not get along with others in the Senate or Congress, not true at all. The press and insiders have been overwhelmingly surprised how she has mended many bad ties with powerful senators and congressmen while as Senator. She is coming into her own right now.
I agree that Bill is older AND wiser. He would not repeat what happened to him as president. He is aware all the world is looking at his behavior if Hillary would be President. He got “lucky” regarding his behavior and as much as the news crucified him, Hillary stood out.
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Exactly! I found it strange that some people wanted her to divorce him after what happened. Hey, he is her husband. He is her business. She helped him then. Now, if she makes it, he will help her.

It reminds me of people (haters) criticizing Brad for hooking up with Angie, a woman they call all kinds of ugly names. They are so wrong.
It’s his life, his decision. She is his business.
Then Brad said it’s the best thing he has ever done, the best thing that happened to him, and now the haters call him all kinds of ugly names too. :lol: Why do people like to interfere in other people’s private affairs!

One week is long in politics. It’s a few weeks before we know who will be the candidate. Very interesting!

#117

AGREEd @ 01/10/2008 at 2:20 pm

Agreed 100% Bravo.

Rosanne is right. Other public figures are too afraid to call Oprah out.

You would think Oprah’d support a woman with a lot of experience and determination, being one herself and knowng how hard it is to succeed among men in an industry dominated by males.

Instead she chose race as her determining factor. Obama is trully selling a dream without a plan. He is not certain about any issue, exept his stupid sales pitch “Americans are ready for change”. He is clueless.

P.S: H.Clinton has more balls than Obama ever wished he had

For the light of me, I’m at a loss on why people think Hillary Clinton has more experience than Obama. She was NOT the president of the United States, her husband was. The only position she has held outside of the White House is being a senator which is the exact same position Obama was in. She went to law school, but so did Obama so Im loss on how Senator Clinton is now more experienced when you look at hindsight, they are both pretty equal for as education and political position. I’m no offense to Sen. Clinton bc I love her but Im just calling a spade a spade.

I understand where you are coming from, but being a feminist does not automatically mean that you leave your husband because he “cheats” on you…it’s more complicated than that. There are also many women, who are feminists whose husbands have “cheated” on them and for many reasons chose to work through the process than be angry and just leave.
You are spouting “angry” feminist rhetoric and I don’t mean to be critical, but as a long time feminist myself, not strident like many, but politically active, my associates who hold public offices, have fraternized with Bella Abzug and the like would not jump to such conclusions and to criticize another woman’s approach to such a delicate issue…that is what true feminism is about…each woman makes up her own mind and follows through in her own manner. The original premise of Feminism as Steinem Friedan, Chisholm and many others worked towards is the spirit that women have a choice and have equal opportunity…not about being angry, bitchy or the like. Please take another look at feminism from a historical point of view and do not deviate from it’s true intent.
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You are right feminism was created to give women options, respect, credibility and to empower themselves.

Women were treated as second class citizens in America until the feminist movement was created and helped to improve the plight of women. You are also correct there are many women who do not leave their husband because he’s cheated, but you have to be a DAMNED fool to stick with a man who is constantly disrespecting you. It has nothing to do with being angry or bitter. It is about self-respect and Hilary in this situation seems to lack it. It takes more strength to walkaway from a bad situtation, than to stay and take the abuse.

Lewinsky Fowers were just two we know about, I am pretty sure there are more. What type of marriage do you have when you have one partner who cannot keep their vows? Why would you stay with a man who constantly disrespects you? Simple, she knows a divorce would ruin her chances at the Presidency, that is why she stays with him.

neil (a brangelina loonatic) @ 01/10/2008 at 3:20 pm
“The problem with the anti-abortionist is they think those who are pro-choice are those who want abortions. They don’t! They want choice!”
neil,
thank you for stating this. There is no interpretation, pro-choice is pro-choice…why do dissenters want to interpret and have their misinterpretations become “fact” that was never intended nor implied!

# 116 Team Lara Croft @ 01/10/2008 at 2:20 pm
Well, Roseanne is as ignorant as I thought she always was. This

from a woman who married TOM ARNOLD???!!!!. Obama has a fresh

take on the old school politics. Hillary is a manipulative, out to get em

fake. She voted for the Iraq war TWICE! When her numbers were

down, she went through a crying fit to show poor women how alike

them she is and to get sympathy! I did not believe those shameful

tears for a minute! In common with American women? Hillary has

nothing in common with most poor or middle class women besides a

physical commality of being female. She is a rich conniving political

***** who wants power. And she has always been filthy rich. Yeah, a

lot in common! Roseanne needs to check Hillary’s record a bit. So

isn’t Hillary playing the Gender card? Gouing after woman and

claiming how alike them she is? Obama has not once discussed his

race in thi race. Besides, Obama is BOTH black and White. His

mother was white so Roseanne you are wrong there too. He only

claims Black because that is how America sees him. His mother was

White and his step-father was Asian. He is multi-cultural and that is

wonderful. Roseanne izx just bitter that she is a has been who

America wrote off after her show ended and after her awful singing of

the anthem. She is not on the radar. Nobody cares about Rseanne

and she is bitter that Oprah is still relevant and successful. And

Roseanne, if you are such a feminist, why are you attacking another

woman for doing and exercising her American right to support her

candidate of choice???? Besides, she is living and working in Illinois.

Onama is and was her Senator so she probably knows his work

better. The Clintons are old school political machines that people are

tired of. Hillary is the xame thing dressed in different costumes. She

is fake. And I don’t buy this overnight new more compassionate

Hillary. Give me a break. SDo a woman has to be a crying whining

cow to be compassionate? Get yourself together Hillary and explain to

us why 17 polls were strangely wrong on this outcome. No wonder

Kerry just endorsed Obama. I am sick of Hillary and her fake tears

Besides, this is not a monarchy, just as we don’t need more Bushes

in the White House, we don’t need another Clinton eventhough Bill

did a good job. Time to make way for a fresher and more genuine

American president.
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Team LaraCroft, kudos to you!
I just had to repost your post, and space it out so the bigotted, neanderthals on this thread can read it slowly and try to understand what youve said.

Its amazing how entrenched are such ailments as bigotry, racism and sexism in the minds of unevolved humans. These are EXACTLY some of the kinds of things that Obama is talking about when he talks about CHANGE and HOPE and our innate human ability to strive for and achieve something BETTER for ourselves, our family, our country.

Forget that pathetic has-been, roseanne; forget oprah. Look in the mirror and FACE your own fears. Imagine……….more than one person here on this thread have talked about not wanting a president with a name like BARRACK HUSSEIN OBAMA. Well, i think you all better get used to seeing it and saying it.

There is no doubt in my mind that Obama will be President of the United States of America. It is destiny unfolding.

Just think: he’s a symbol of hope for so many people around the world. Do you think its only americans who want peace and an end to the war in iraq? 150,000 iraqis dead. Do you think their life is less valuable than our own?

That america is able to elect a man with such a mixed heritage - a heritage encompassing different races and religions - and one who inspries so many people AROUND THE WORLD to reach for the seemingly impossible dream of UNITY among diverse peoples and HOPE for a better way of BEING and DOING, is sheer DESTINY at work.

The Universe is unfolding as it should. Get on board, if youre smart.

#56 & #57
Lips,tits and OMG the butt. @ 01/10/2008 at 11:09 am

This is an Obama supporter. Why would you even consider voting for him ??

Feminists do not hate men. They are for empowering women and if you do it right, you actually understand men more.

#157 - Hi amber,
It’s her choice and she’s the one who’s got to live with her decision in the end, not me”.
and that’s the premise of taking responsibility for your own choices and as you state “she’s the one who’s got to live with her decision in the end…” It is not our decision to judge or criticize why Hilliary stays married for whatever her reasons. that is why it is referred to as “choice” and that is feminism, in its simplest form.
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ITAWU. I don’t know where people got the idea that feminism meant that all women had to think and act the same way or that they had to be man haters.

Sorry, but her marital woes have everything to do with her political career. Her husband was almost impeached for his philandering and are we really ready for more of Bill Clinton public affairs? Didn’t his near impeachment cause the Republicans to win both the Senate and House during that mid-year elections? Whether you like it or not, it did affect the 2000 Presidential races. Those evangelicals could not seperate Gore from Clinton, no matter how hard he tried. They came out to vote in mass numbers and that is one of the reason why Gore lost. ( iknow Florida, but the race should not have came down to ONE state). They took states that should have been easy Democratic wins. So please don’t hand me that crap what the do in their marriage is their business, because in this case it is not true. What they do in their marriage affects all of us!

As far as her politics and policies are concerned, I would never vote for her because I see her as a weak link who only votes for what is popular. She could have easily made a stand against Iraq,. As many of you stated she was the First Lady with privvy to information that most of us don’t have and she knew damn well that Iraq did not have WMD. So what did she do, she stood and voted for a war that she knew was wrong. Iraq didn’t develop an arsenal that large in the three years since she left the office.She could have been vocal and pointed out the her and her constituents really needed the focus to be on capturing Osama Bin Laden. Her medical plan that she was developing the whole time never took off. There are so many things, but I’ll end it here.

162 TiredofthisCrap @ 01/10/2008 at 5:53 pm

…Those evangelicals could not seperate Gore from Clinton…
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That tells us about those people. I hate to say it, but some people shouldn’t be allowed to vote. They’re too emotional.

re: #158 Alex @ 01/10/2008 at 5:24 pm Feminists do not hate men. They are for empowering women and if you do it right, you actually understand men more.
love your post Alex…say it loud and clear. Thanks

I could not have said it better myself. If i want a revival meeting, i would attend church, thank you very much. To me Barack is like the Democrats’ George Bush, meaning, i remember when the masses were jumping on the Bush bandwagon seven years ago saying that he looked like someone you would want to have a beer with. I am a black woman ( Caribbean) and i would not vote for Barack Obama.

And dont get me started on Oprah. Go Hilary!!

re: #164 Orchid @ 01/10/2008 at 6:14 pm 162 TiredofthisCrap @ 01/10/2008 at 5:53 pm
“That tells us about those people. I hate to say it, but some people shouldn’t be allowed to vote. They’re too emotional.”

Or play in the stock market and screw it up for the logical, analytical ones. Love, love, love your post!
will you be my friend, LOL?

Ouch indeed! Although I strongly agree with some parts of point 4.

You all want a president that cracks under pressure for pete sakes she freakin cried because she was under alot of stress!! Ya, let’s vote for a faker!!!! Hillary your so full of crap like your husband (The one that didn’t inhale and the one that didn’t have sex with “That woman”!!! Rosanne go back to what you have been doing “NOTHING” because your a nobody!!

well put, CHE #23 - what a great post

Roseanne has posted some wacky ass stuff on her blog before, but more often than not, she’s right, she’s very insightful and this is no exception

Roseanne Barr is trash. I can’t stand her. Who’s playing the race card? B…….tch.

Also, I was not saying that a woman who accepts her husband’s cheating can’t be a feminist. I am simply saying her attitude toward Bill’s philandering is at odds with this strong woman and self-respecting woman. I am led to believe she stayed with him for political reasons and not for love and trust. That over-calculating is what turns me off from her. She is sooooooo calculating. She attacked women who stayed home and “baked cookies” but what about her who stood by Bill despite his disrespect of her? I am just saying she is a hypocrite.

obama sucks. we all know it.
rosanne is right- he has no plan. what is this friggin country coming too? do you all wanna c this country go down the tubes, and if you do, don’t worry because obama and /or clinton will do it no matter what.
and i love oprah but rosanne is also right about the race card and gender thing. not trying to be racist, but come on people, if obama wasnt black or arabian or w/e he is, oprah wouldnt even support him. and we ALL know it

ferbritzio @ 01/10/2008 at 8:57 pm
but come on people, if obama wasnt black or arabian or w/e he is, oprah wouldnt even support him. and we ALL know it
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People should make up their mind about Oprah. First they criticize her for being too nice to Whites by hugging her guests, or having White guests or starting the careers of Dr. Phil, Rachel Ray and so many others. But when she chooses the candidate from her home state as her favorite candidate, people claim she is a racist. Make up your minds. Maybe YOU are all seeing race in this. Like I said before, Obama’s mother is WHite. His father was not in his life afte rthe age of 2 or 4 then he lived with a step-father who was Asian. He is mulitcultural - a concept that so many of you who are so attacked to old ways of thinking cannot grasp. Obama has traveled in many worlds. The realityy is when you are running for the Presidency of America, people want you to define yourself so he has no choice but to identify as Black because that is how so many see him but his life experience and his genetics are more complex than that. His mother was White. Oprah has helped many many White people in her life -. But I guess people just skip over this minor fact. And like I said before, Roseanne is known to be a completely imbalanced psycho that no one likes to work with. She had huge problems working in Hollywood which is why she has since not been able to get a deal. She is just an angry cow. Also, with Obama supporters you are seeing something revolutionary - people who are registered Rebublicans find themselves supporting him as are Democrats. There is no “you have to” when choosing a candidate. We, as Americans, have the right to support who we like and who is the former Mrs Tom Arnold to tell us or anyone how to think? Tis from the same woman who claims when she was a newborn, she has recollections of her mother abusing her - she remembers this, she claims, from her days as a newborn. The woman is a mess. And she needs to shut up and get used to being a has been rather that yapping in her illiterate way. Please.

Get your facts right people OBAMA IS NOT MUSLIM. Just because his name sounds to you ignorant fools middle eastern doesn’t mean he is automatically a follower of Islam. Stop telling lies about things you don’t know.

What does Roseanne stand for?? She’s just upset because Oprah is not promoting her candidate of choice–Hillary. Hill and Bill are noted crooks (remember Whitewater) and Roseanne should be trying to get the vote out of others of their ilk rather than criticizing Oprah.

I don’t particularly like Oprah either but she can support whomever she wants, as can the rest of us.

Hilary for president… She is a strong white black asian latino woman!!! Due to the universal understanding that she is a woman and SMARTER than her husband. And she held her family in place even after all that stupid scandal her husband caused… She got that chain around her husband’s neck!! Stay and shut the f*ck up, b|tch!! And he did… Men cannot live without women even if a women is like Hilary Clinton or Monica Lewinsky!!! And if they can live without a women, they are gay…

F.U.C.K U PEOPLE. this woman is an attention W-H-0-R-E.
and u people agree to her nonsence. u ppl are the cause of destruction. because first u wanted bush now u are not giving peace a chance! give chance to ppl that want to make a change. rather than those that cries for votes.
SHEESH

Roseanne is right. Absolutely so. On every point she nailed it. She gets it.

Oprah is either a dimwit or a tool of political and corporate thieves. By pushing for Arnold she pushed for the Energy Giants who are robbing us all. She only protects her own personal interests. Oprah has always struck me as either dumb or a religious freak pushing it as dope to those among female housewives who are brainwashed to bow down to men. She’s the hokiest of them all, I was never fooled or a fan. She tries to sound hip but she always sounds ghetto. She’s never said a thing intelligent. She promotes hack writers with madeup backgrounds. She’s a product spokesman, that’s all.

Obama would make a decent used car salesman. He comes off as an insincere Southern Baptist minister. His voice is grating AND he says nothing. He speaks in generalities that stink of cliches and religious hogwash such as “yes we can” stealing that from the Villaraigoso campaign, a slogan that I started online along with “take back America” which meant all of us Americans taking it back from the oligarchs and bankers, it had nothing to do with ethnicity. Obama Hussain is boring, and appears extremely vain. He might appeal to robots. He’s waiting air time, diluting the issues. He might as well be just chanting “Jesus loves you” as if that means anything. It’s impossible for dead men to love anything or anyone. Even if my late grandmother left me ten million dollars she’d still be incapable of loving anything from six feet under. But I can say with all truthfulness she loved me. Hussain reminds me of that militant radical minister who was killed for preaching violence against whites without even knowing what a white person is. I mean if all whites are alike then all blacks are alike, that’s more truth than the dead black minister would admit, but in his small mindedness that’s what his ignorant ideas suggested. When I walk past the TV set I flick Hussain’s face with my fingers and tell him to shut his stupid mouth. I’d rather watch my billionth Tide commercial. The last thing this country needs right now or ever is an idiot minister/amatueur in the executive positive.

I hate phonies.

Way to go Roseanne!!!
I fully agreee with you on this one.

No. 23, are you from the US? Is colored still used like that. Don’t think so unless you are about 80 yrs old.

186 Debbie @ 01/10/2008 at 9:25 pm

Get your facts right people OBAMA IS NOT MUSLIM. Just because his name sounds to you ignorant fools middle eastern doesn’t mean he is automatically a follower of Islam. Stop telling lies about things you don’t know.
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Debbie, I could be wrong, I mean I just got back in this thread and haven’t reread all the posts when I was here earlier, plus the few new ones, but I don’t think anyone has said Obama is Muslim, so who are you calling ignorant fools?

170 first and last post @ 01/10/2008 at 6:40 pm re: #164 Orchid @ 01/10/2008 at 6:14 pm 162 TiredofthisCrap @ 01/10/2008 at 5:53 pm
“That tells us about those people. I hate to say it, but some people shouldn’t be allowed to vote. They’re too emotional.”

Or play in the stock market and screw it up for the logical, analytical ones. Love, love, love your post! will you be my friend, LOL?
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Hi again, friend!

I couldn’t believe ‘Tiredof thisCrap.’
Why couldn’t the evangelicals separate Gore from Clinton? Gore was running, not Clinton.

That´s actually quite funny.

————–I´m all for Hillary————————————————–YAY!

OPRAH CAN ENDORSE ANYONE SHE WANT AND THE INTELLIGENT PEOPLE OF THE U.S. CAN MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND WHO THEY WANT FOR PRESIDENT.

AND TO THE PERSON WHO SAID OBAMA WANT WIN BECAUSE
AMERICA IS NOT READY FOR A BLACK PRESIDENT.

YOUR SO WRONG THE POLLS ARE PROOF. OBAMA WON IOWA AND WOULD HAVE WON N.H IF HILLARY WOULD NOT HAVE TURNED ON THE WATER WORKS WITH HER SOB STORY BY CRYING. WHAT A WUSS. THE FEMALE VOTER FELT SORRY FOR HER AND GAVE HER THEIR VOTES. (THE CRYING GAME). HER CRY WAS SO FAKE WHATEVER.

OBAMA & OPRAH FOR PRESIDENT

Here’s one of the reasons why the evangelical came out ot vote in 2000: Gay marriage. It was a new issue but important to those who cared.

Gore did not even win his home state that year. They couldn’t separate him because he did not come out to denounce Clinton until the very end, by then it was too late for him. The Evangelicals wanted to know the same BS that went on during the Clinton Admin. wouldn’t go on with him. It was more or less a scare tactic used by the Republicans, vote Democrat and the country would turn to Sodom and Gomarrah(sp).

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/shapiro/2004-11-04-hype_x.htm

Someone asked, how do I know Hilary knew Iraq didn’t have WMD. I’ll address that later.

WAY TO GO ROSEANNE - COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE. OPRAH IS THE MOST SANCTIMONIOUS PERSON - AND DR. PHIL, PLEASE. WITH YOU ON OBAMA. THANKS FOR SPEAKING OUT! KEEP GOING - YOU’RE ACTUALLY, AS ALWAYS THINKING FOR YOURSELF… BUT I LOVE OPRAH THE SHEEP SAY … YUK - DO THEY EVEN KNOW WHY THEY “LOVE” OPRAH????? I KNOW WHY I DON’T LIKE HER AND IT BEGINS WITH WHAT SHE DID TO JAMES FRY - AFTER THAT - I CAN’T EVEN SAY ENOUGH BAD THINGS ABOUT HER - I EVEN WONDERED IF PEOPLE WHO LIKE OBAMA- NOT- WOULD BE DISSUADED BECAUSE OF THE CHEESE FACTOR OF HER AUDIENCE - SHE EXPLOITED HER TV AUDIENCE WHEN SHE TURNED HER AND THEIR ATTENTION ON OBAMA. … WHO WOULD WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH HER AUDIENCE I THOUGHT; THEY’RE A BUNCH OF MIDDLE OF THE ROAD - PRETEND SPIRITUAL SEEKERS, NOT, WHO SIT ON THEIR ASSES AND WATCH OPRAH AT FOUR IN THE AFTERNOON WHILE THEIR CHILDREN OR WHATEVER TAKE NAPS….. I MUST STOP MYSELF, SHE JUST MAKES MY BLOOD BOIL - OBAMA IS INCONSEQUENTIAL, BUT OPRAH COULD BE DANGEROUS.

205 HARRY @ 01/11/2008 at 7:53 am EVERYBODY’S TALKING ABOUT EXPERENCE.

EXPERENCE DOESN’T MAKE YOU BETTER THAN THE LESS EXPERENCE.

LOOK AT GEORGE BUSH, HE HAS ALL THE EXPERENCE IN THE WORLD. AND LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE TODAY.

AT WAR………………………………………………

DON’T TALK TO ME ABOUT EXPERENCE

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT, WE NEED CHANGE.
OPRAH IS NOT A RACIST, WHY CAN’T A BLACK PERSON VOTE FOR ANOTHER BLACK PERSON WITHOUT BEING A RACIST.

OPRAH SAID SHE LIKE HILLARY, BUT SHE WANT CHANGE.
AND OBAMA CAN DELIVER THAT CHANGE.

ROSEANNE IS A LOUD MOUTH TROUBLE MAKER. THAT’S TRYING TO CAUSE A RIFT BETWEEN BLACKS AND WHITES. NOT OPRAH.

NOBODY’S COMPLAINED ABOUT BARBARA STRISAND. CALLING HER OUT BECAUSE SHE SUPPORTS A WHITE WOMAN. GET REAL. IT’S JUST AN ENDORSEMENT PEOPLE.
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No, Harry! The reason we are where we are today is because W is NOT experienced. Btw, it’s experience, not experence,

Whether it’s Hillary or Barack, either one will be a first, a change, for the USA. First woman or first African-American.

I’m not a big fan of Rosanne, but I have to say I agree with her. I haven’t liked Oprah since she did that road trip show with Gayle where some very odd things happened like:

1) The most powerful woman in the world can’t figure out how to check herself into a hotel? I guess Oprah is like the aliens from Signs who can fly their alien asses from some far away galaxy in a spaceship but can’t seem to figure out how to turn a door ****…
2)Oprah’s been best friends with Gayle since they were in their 20’s but never knew that her tone deaf friend likes to sing with the radio

I was okay with Obama till Oprah backed him, now if he wins the democrat nomination instead of Hillary…..I’ll probably vote Republican…let me go barf now.

Re: #212 Orchid @ 01/11/2008 at 9:20 pm response to
#205
Hey there friend,
I saw post #205 yesterday and was tempted to post that GW DOES NOT have experience and I was going to mention that if elected Hillary would be the FIRST women. HARRY totally missed that “change” and that tells you alot about HARRY…gosh we have some psychic action going on here…you beat me to it…can’t believe it…kind of spooky.
PS I was also going to mention that GW spurred his anger and subsequent war with Iraq based on the fact that Hussein had a hit on his Daddy, he even made a statement to that effect.

216 first and last post @ 01/12/2008 at 2:31 pm Re: #212 Orchid @ 01/11/2008 at 9:20 pm response to
#205
Hey there friend,
I saw post #205 yesterday and was tempted to post that GW DOES NOT have experience and I was going to mention that if elected Hillary would be the FIRST women. HARRY totally missed that “change” and that tells you alot about HARRY…gosh we have some psychic action going on here…you beat me to it…can’t believe it…kind of spooky.
PS I was also going to mention that GW spurred his anger and subsequent war with Iraq based on the fact that Hussein had a hit on his Daddy, he even made a statement to that effect.
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Yes, and then he sent other people’s children to fight a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. As Matt Damon said, he should have sent his daughters too.

Obama is a good speaker, but many say that he needs more time. He hasn’t been a senator for very long. He also hasn’t explained what changes he is talking about, what changes he plans to make.
“Yes, we can” what?

Hillary has a very important plan, her health plan. It didn’t work last time, but I hear that changes have been made, and some commentators say it’s now doable.
With 47 (?) million people with no health insurance, something has to be done for them. If it’s true what I heard on TV, apparently the health/pharmaceutical industry has already started courting her, probably expecting her to win in November.
Then Iowa happened……., but then New Hampshire happened…….
It’s many months till November! If the Democrats aren’t careful, the opponents will probably win the WH again!

re: 218 Orchid @ 01/12/2008 at 4:43 pm
“Hillary has a very important plan, her health plan. It didn’t work last time,…”

and the major hitch is no one individual in Washington (or any state government for that matter) at a level of power who can make “change” can do it alone. The check and balance system does work but manipulaters in this government have made it into “The Art of Politics, Lesson 101”.

Orchid,
re: 219
I meant Obama gives them false hope that he can “make everything right” and on the other side of that the Republicans will use Obama to not only “scare the masses” as you put it but subsequently to “give false hope of what they can do in turn.”

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first and last post @ 01/12/2008 at 5:31 pm Orchid,
re: 219
I meant Obama gives them false hope that he can “make everything right” and on the other side of that the Republicans will use Obama to not only “scare the masses” as you put it but subsequently to “give false hope of what they can do in turn.”
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It’s great to be able to say and what you want when campaigning, and make promises you might not be able to keep. Once you’re sitting in that chair in the Oval Office, there are other things to consider.

224 Orchid @ 01/12/2008 at 10:14 pm 222
first and last post @ 01/12/2008 at 5:31 pm Orchid,
re: 219
I meant Obama gives them false hope that he can “make everything right” and on the other side of that the Republicans will use Obama to not only “scare the masses” as you put it but subsequently to “give false hope of what they can do in turn.”
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Candidates say so much when campaigning, and make promises they might not be able to keep. Once you’re sitting in that chair in the Oval Office, there are other things to consider.

I don’t believe the winner, whether Rep or Dem, would be able to pull out the troops immediately, which is what I’m guessing the majority of the people want. Do you know that the US maintains over 700 bases around the world? (heard it on CNN, I think).
Also, “better to fight them there than having to fight them here,” which I find rather arrogant. Apparently, people from other countries don’t matter!

227 first and last post @ 01/13/2008 at 1:26 am Orchid
“better to fight them there than having to fight them here,”
who said this?
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Can’t remember who said it first, but I’ve heard that SO MANY times. It must be government policy. Maybe W himself said it too, but I don’t know.
Invading a country that didn’t do 9/11, causing the death of thousands of innocent people, maiming thousands and causing thousands to flee, creating refugees/displaced people (the people that Angie visited), destroying property, infrastructure…
Iraq is an old, historic country. It’s ruined now. I hope rebuilding it doesn’t mean putting McDonalds and burger places and Starbucks everywhere.

Now they’re thinking of doing the same to Iran (???). Have you been to Iran? I have. It’s a beautiful country, but I’m not crazy about the food. They like lamb and I don’t eat lamb!
Are they really planning to drop bombs on Iran? It would be worse than Iraq. Iran is not another Iraq. I guess, as long as the battlefield is far from mainland USA…….
Sorry, this is OT. We’re supposed to discuss Roseanne criticizing Oprah (Okra :lol:).

I’ve been posting in democraticunderground for a few years now. My screenname there will remain a secret.

OPRAH IS NOT SUPPORTING OBAMA BECAUSE HE IS HALF BLACK.
THAT”S STUPIDITY TALK. OPRAH IS A GOOD FRIEND OF OBAMA SHE HAS KNOWN HIM FOR YEARS. THEY BOTH LIVE IN CHICAGO ILL. WHERE OBAMA IS A SENATOR. OPRAH SAID ON LARRY KING THAT SHE WOULD SUPPORT OBAMA IF HE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT.
BEFORE OBAMA EVEN ANNOUNCED THAT HE WAS GOING TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT (HE WAS UNDECIDED). SO RACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER ENDORSING HIM.

I CAN’T BELIEVE HOW MANY PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG THINKS THAT OPRAH IS A RACIST JUST BECAUSE SHE MADE A CHOICE TO ENDORSE OBAMA. AFTER EVERYTHING OPRAH HAVE GIVEN WHITE/BLACKS/LATINO ETC……. NOT TO MENTION ALL THE CHARITY AND DONATIONS SHE HAVE GIVEN AROUND THE WORLD.

HAVE YOU ASKED WHY ROSEANNE BARR & BARBARA STRISAND SUPPORTS HILLARY, DID YOU CALL THEM A FEMINIST.

I THINK THAT ALL YOU THAT HATE OPRAH & THINK THAT SHE’S A RACIST, MAY NEED TO LOOK DEEP INSIDE YOURSELVES YOU MAY FIND OUT THAT IT’S YOU NOT OPRAH THAT’S THE RACIST.

i don’t think people here are saying that only well off or well connected people have the right to run for president. no way. you’ve just disproven your point in that bill clinton did not have a background of being “well off” anymore than obama. also obama clearly is “well connected” with oprah and many other celebrities endorsing him…he’s brought in the most millions in campaign financing.

also, i don’t see what the clintons have to do with “war”. if it were to turn out to be a bush-clinton-bush-clinton string of presidents, there are only two of the four who have brought us into war and they don’t start with a “c”.

^^Siritz, is Arnold Schwarznegger half black too? You make no sense.

Hillary’s health care plan terrifies me. It will put undo burden of care on poor people who couldn’t much afford, and give too much power to the health insurance industry. I’m not voting for her because I don’t agree with her plans and I clearly see her for what she is, a Bush in sheeps clothing.

check it out:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×2261609

Hillary is a member of the Bush crime family - Bill and Hill gained entry when he, as governor of Arkansas, allowed Iran-Contra drugs to be smuggled in and out of his airport in Mena, Arkansas - under Poppy’s direction.
IF they do not believe they can get away with cancelling elections (they have put in place all the legal means to do so) they will only allow the crown to rest on the head of someone they completely control. Enter Hill - perfect choice. Member of the clan, first woman Prez, a “Democrat” - and she will love being a “dictator” dancing to Poppy’s tune.
Of course Rover is laying the groundwork to put her in place - IF they decide they need her. It is part of the grand plan.
It keeps the dog and pony show of Dems and Repubs going - behind the curtains they are one and the same. No “leading” Dem has a program different than the one now in place.
The only ones who propose meaningful change - like restoring the Constitution - can’t get a voice in the MSM - Mike Gravel, Dennis Kucinich and Ron Paul. All the “leading” “candidates” are part of the charade.
Important fact to remember when considering Hill - she knew when she voted to go into Iraq that there were no “WMD”. She knew they had been destroyed by 1995. She knew and Bill knew and Gore knew and all of the top crew under Clinton knew.
On August 7, 1995 Gen. Hussein Kamel, Saddam’s son-in-law and former director of Iraq’s Military Industrialization Corporation, in charge of Iraq’s weapons programme, defected to Joran and into the arms of the UN inspectors and the CIA. He brought crates of documents on past weapons programs. His testimony (http://www.casi.org.uk/info/unscom950822.pdf) that all WMD had been destroyed was corroborated but kept secret. He was lured back to Iraq and killed for his treason.
Newsweek broke the story February 24, 2003 but no one paid much attention to its significance. It is the proof that all at the top knew that all WMD had been destroyed due to the pressure from the presence of UN inspectors - the inspections worked and everyone at the top knew it.
So, not only did Powell, Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld, et al, know -BUT HILLARY, BILL, GORE et al KNEW TOO - yet they said not a word and she voted to bomb a country she knew was no threat to anyone.
Of course, they want her in if they feel forced to allow “elections” - she is already programmed to sit on the throne - there are great rewards for keeping your mouth shut.

229sirtriz @ 01/13/2008 at 8:59 am
“Obama strikes me as one of those motivational speakers who wow people’s ears but have very few practical tools that people can use to get real and lasting results.”
I agree sirtriz with your statement. I never found Obama that substantive, motivational…yes, but empty without follow through…his speeches just kind of hang there.

233sirtriz @ 01/13/2008 at 1:57 pm
“i think too many people are influenced by charisma and not enough by objectivity.”
that’s the emotional aspect Orchid #164 was referring to.

237 Orchid @ 01/13/2008 at 7:42 pm
“You can’t force the masses to think about the issues. You can’t force the masses to think, period. Give them glitz and stirring speeches.”
you are so funny and I agree. If you haven’t already you really should read the “The Grand Inquisitor”. You could have written it, LOL.
PS I have never been to the Middle East but would love to. Under what circumstances did you visit?

238 first and last post @ 01/13/2008 at 10:06 pm

237 Orchid @ 01/13/2008 at 7:42 pm
“You can’t force the masses to think about the issues. You can’t force the masses to think, period. Give them glitz and stirring speeches.”
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you are so funny and I agree. If you haven’t already you really should read the “The Grand Inquisitor”. You could have written it, LOL.
PS I have never been to the Middle East but would love to. Under what circumstances did you visit?
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Didn’t somebody famous in French history say to “give the people
bread and games? and “Give them cake!’ :lol:

I lived in the Middle East. Oil business (my husband). Went to Arabic classes, and belly dancing too (great exercise). Can’t shimmy very well, but I have a nice collection of belly dancing scarves!

# 241 Orchid @ 01/14/2008 at 2:14 am
In my opinion, she carried herself very well and handled Tim Russert well which is important because he is tough. He presented great discrepancies and she clarified with firmness and would not let him get away with a certain amount of bullying. I’ll let you decide…you can read the transcript from the one hour show and see it too if you have high speed. I elminated http because of the awaiting moderation. Hope it goes through.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22634967/

Orchid,
it worked. Here is another…one of my favorites. I like Matalin and Carville.
Roundtable Meet the Press with Mary Matalin/James Carville/Don Schrum and Mike Murphy Nov 25, 2007.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/21737725#22345008
Hope you have time to view these. Post back here and let me know your thoughts. I removed the http again.

re: 246 Orchid @ 01/14/2008 at 5:48 pm
“Re Matalin and Carville, I’m guessing the discussions (friendly arguments) at their home must be very interesting.”

I remember when they first got married and no one thought it would last… well fourteen years and still going strong. I assume you know this since you are a Democratic aficionado that it was Carville in 1992 who actually coined “It’s the economy stupid”…and it still has legs, pundits forever repeating it. Matalin and Carville are two of the most interesting and knowledgeable people around in the political arena and as a couple, they are awesome.
I love their sparring…they do remind me of another couple you and I both enjoy.

I thought it was Clinton too but either read about it or heard that it was Carville, then I researched to confirm and sure enough it was him.
I think it’s human nature for race and gender to have entered the arena. I’m pretty sure it wasn’t Hilliary, she would have no reason to. I thought I heard that it was someone in Obama’s camp, not Obama himself, who started it and it got out of hand. Clinton has already said in her interview with Russert that it should not be apart of the issues. However by the very nature of Obama touting his legal specialty being a civil rights attorney and by comparing himself to MLK, it probably was bound to happen.
I don’t think people are confused at least not yet…but definitely emotional. This democratic primary will be one of the most emotional and you might say, they are somewhat one in the same (LOL) and I wouldn’t disagree that one feeds off the other.

I have lived in Singapore too, but I must say, after a while you want to go to other places.
We used to drive to Malaysia, to the coolness of Genting Highlands, where American Jim Thompson (ex CIA?), who made the Thai silk industry a huge success, disappeared. I vaguely remember reading he was walking/hiking in the woods, and probably fell in a ravine. His body was never found.

You should visit Jim Thompson silk store in Bangkok, and his house by the klong is open to the public. I have had clothes made to order in the store named after him, and his house is full of gorgeous antiques.

Singapore is very comfortable, you have everything you want there, except space. They have reclaimed a lot of land, and have to be careful that they don’t wander into Indonesia’s territory! Never mind, they’re good friends. Indonesia’s ex dictator is very sick in hospital, and Singapore’s ex leader, Lee Kuan Yew, who made Singapore the big success it is today, was in Jakarta to visit his old friend.

Back to the campaign. It’s unfortunate that the press likes to take things out of context. It’s not nice, cherry-picking a speech and then pouncing on the speaker. Hillary was right, and her husband was right too!

I agree with you. As I posted in #220 “no one individual in Washington (or any state government for that matter) at a level of power who can make “change” can do it alone.”
This is where the emotions take over. MLK successfully brought about national awareness and started the whole momentum which led to the people in power to legislate the changes on paper that followed.. I did not read into the whole news hoopla that either Bill or Hillary was denying MLK deserved recognition and credit for the civil rights movement and I thought in the Meet the Press interview Hilliary Clinton clarified Bill and her comments clearly, but people choose to hear what they want to hear.
I also do not understand why people are upset, but it seems to be associated with misplaced indignation as a result of a major misunderstanding. People who don’t like her anyway took that fiasco and ran with negative comments about her into the ground. I think the people who like her anyway did not interpret what the people who don’t like her read into both Bill and her statements. You choose to hear what you want to hear and little will change peoples minds. Emotions will do that. The more logical reasonable individual is receptive to well…logic and reason.

Is anyone going to seriously take Roseanne serious? She is loud, white trash and a former prostitute. For Roseanne to state that Oprah is the worse thing that has happened to America is obnoxious! Oprah has done more for the suffering then Roseanne can do in her next life time. It’s easy to judge someone who Roseanne knows will not degrade herself to the same garbage. I advise Roseanne to keep talking b/c the only thing she will ALWAYS be rememebered by is her fat mouth!

Sen. Obama was the only State Senator to vote ‘present’ on a bill that sought to protect the privacy of sex-abuse victims, and the only state senator to not support the bill. [HB854, Passed 58-0-1, Also please go to http://www.youtube.com and look at tony rezko or just read about it on google, cnn and abc last week showed footage about obama and a chicago crook tied together on many issues including real estate fraud well at the moment rezko is in prison and the hearing will be in feb, please look at what Obama is doing and what he has not done!

255 first and last post @ 01/17/2008 at 4:31 pm Hi Orchid,
if you return to this site, here is a good link of Clinton interview with Brian Williams on January 16, 2008…very insightful and personable, a more likeable Hillary.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22707089#22690079
here is the transcript
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22688801/
enjoy. If you get this, please respond here and let me know what you think. I’ll return periodicdally.
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Read it!
I’ve always liked Hillary. Amazing that Barack Obama went to visit her to ask how to be an effective senator, and now they’re rivals. I do think a Clinton-Obama ticket would be great.

253 first and last post @ 01/16/2008 at 5:39 pm Orchid,
re: the keith Obermann show.
listen to this video analysis on what we were discussing. Hope you can view it.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22673948#2267246
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No, couldn’t view it, so I googled Keith Obermann, but found Keith Olbermann.
She told him, “Someone like my husband would be a tremendous ambassador for our country.” I think she is right!
Is this the interview you’re referring to?

256 Christy @ 01/18/2008 at 2:09 am Sen. Obama was the only State Senator to vote ‘present’ on a bill that sought to protect the privacy of sex-abuse victims, and the only state senator to not support the bill. [HB854, Passed 58-0-1, Also please go to http://www.youtube.com and look at tony rezko or just read about it on google, cnn and abc last week showed footage about obama and a chicago crook tied together on many issues including real estate fraud well at the moment rezko is in prison and the hearing will be in feb, please look at what Obama is doing and what he has not done!
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Just did. Very interesting! Quite a few videos to watch, and adding comments has been disabled for several of them.

262 Orchid @ 01/20/2008 at 10:35 am
re: 256 Christy @ 01/18/2008 at 2:09 am
did this website that #256 referred to change your opinion that Clinton/Obama would be a good ticket? Haven’t had the chance to check it out yet but now might reconsider this combination if Christy is correct.
I will check it out later.

Orchid,
I tried to track down the Obermann interview and the link didn’t work for me either, they must have taken it down on msnbc. I think the one you pulled is the one I’m referring to and I DO agree, he would make a great ambassador. I was listening to another political roundtable (I listen to so many, I can’t find it to give you the link). One of the panelist said Bill Clinton’s recent confrontations with press re: the Nevada fiascal were indicative that he is “out of practice” e.g. his temper easily flaring when dealing with the politics that go on in Hilliary’’s compaign even though while he was running and while in office, he was one of the most skillful and patient. A member of the panel said that Bill Clinton is convinced the press/news is deliberately unfair to Hillary because they don’t like her.

264 first and last post @ 01/20/2008 at 1:39 pm 262 Orchid @ 01/20/2008 at 10:35 am
re: 256 Christy @ 01/18/2008 at 2:09 am
did this website that #256 referred to change your opinion that Clinton/Obama would be a good ticket? Haven’t had the chance to check it out yet but now might reconsider this combination if Christy is correct.
I will check it out later.
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Hmmm! Well, I was just thinking how to get the votes. :lol:

So he made stupid mistakes. Where do you find a perfect candidate?
One who is also willing to run?
Right now the imperfect Barack is running. Also the imperfect Hillary. In November, people who are ALL imperfect will cast their votes.
You look at all that’s going on (on TV) and it makes you wonder why anyone wants to go through this!

Britain has had a woman leader. Germany has a woman leader now.
In France, a woman almost defeated Sarkozy (I don’t like him very much, do you? I don’t think he is very presidential!). Other countries have had female leaders.

257 rhonda shaw @ 01/19/2008 at 10:00 am

The only thing I have to say about Roseanne’s remarks are
“she’s jealous.” It’s easy to be jealous of someone like Oprah who is doing so well. Most baby boomers would love to be that successful. What’s Roseanne doing? My guess is “nothing.” So she’s jealous. Green with envy.
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I think you’re right.
Roseanne and every other celeb with a TV show (doesn’t Roseanne have her own show?) would love Oprah’s success, but wouldn’t you agree that Oprah should have stayed neutral? She doesn’t have to vote for Hillary, but a woman in her position should, imo, remain neutral.

Re: 267 Orchid @ 01/20/2008 at 7:03 pm
“What was she thinking!”
I think Oprah has obtained such unconditional accolades and an economic status the average American could never achieve that she has reached a point where she is not able to step back and see her persona clearly and therefore her actions and judgments are faulty (same for Dr. Phil and the B Spears situation)…i.e. she feels powerful and influential such that she truly thought she could pull this off. I think she had good intentions but it backfired on her television target audience which is NOT the same target audience that Obama attracts…it seems obvious to me but I don’t think she really thought her actions through. IMO she figured because her audience tends to support her unequivocally, they would support her enthusiasm for Obama…it was a blind action. Plus you probably have heard the rumblings that Oprah had romantic interest in him despite him being married…don’t really think this is true BTW…LOL.
One of the commentaries indicated that at least in Nevada, the coalition statistics were as follows: Clinton received 51% versus Obama 38% women, Clinton 64% Latinos versus Obama 26% and Obama received 83% Black versus Clinton 14%.
Now if this in indicative of general stats across the country (more or less) Oprah may have believed she could have swayed her women audience whose support he desperately needs. What’s interesting is that Oprah underestimated the non-robotic, “SUV” mentality that many have tagged her audience to be. Perhaps her audience should be given more credit for independent political thinking.

“They hate Hillary because of what her husband did. These posters are like those who hate Angie. They all live in the past.”
This is not unexpected. Politics and personal lives certainly do not correlate. Hilliary is no Angelina Jolie. After all AJ is Grinhilda as in Beowulf and her aura represents a personal threat to Oprah’s base i.e. the femme fatale who will steal your husband away, force you back to work full time and destroy your family. Hilliary is not young beautiful and sexy with a great body but more the JA type, plain, nice. Moreover Hilliary has been through the experiences perhaps some of these women have been through or have fears of going through i.e. husbands straying with affairs but comes home. IMO Hilliary is the epitome of what educated women, who make up a good portion of Oprah’s base, respect. Moreover these women also feel they could be her match intellectually…it is much more difficult to compete with AJ’s body, sexiness, allure, lips, etc…that requires major plastic surgery. I don’t think Oprah’s audience is stupid but they do have their basic insecurities…Hilliary enhances them, AJ scares them.

269 Orchid @ 01/20/2008 at 7:34 pm
A week ago another commentary panel member said Bill Clinton often during his campaign and Presidency would fly off the handle behind the lpublic eye and it unnerved his staff whereas Hillary Clinton is a “slow burn.” Clinton and BP are such different personalities..,.apples and oranges.
Bill Clinton in an interview talked about his surgery and said since the surgery his view on everything has changed and he believes now there are many situations where it’s not worth the fight.

Orchid,
Play these two video re: covers in part race versus gender, people don’t want to vote for an African candidate? Maybe.

“What Happened at the Polls” Hardball with Chris Matthews. Pat Buchanan, NBC political analysis argues with Prof Michael Dyson Georgetown University (Obama supporter), Dede Myers former White House Press Sec for Bill Clinton (Hilliary supporter)
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22755792#22577476
I eliminated the http.

January 21, 2008 Tim Russert Meet the Press entitled “Is Race too Prominent in the Campaign?” with Tom Brokaw, Peggy Noonan- Wall Street Journal, Doris Kearns Goodwin-political historian, Michelle Norris-from NPR addresses Obama dividing the country ie “ignited debate on support the viable candidate or believe in the hope.” Also discusses Republican candidates.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22755792#22755792
I eliminated the http.
This is going to be one of the most interesting primaries ever.
I’m also following the Republican primaries because that is also very “iffy” plus Huckabee scares me with his changing of the constitution to fit god’s idea.

268 Orchid @ 01/20/2008 at 7:26 pm
“Hmmm! Well, I was just thinking how to get the votes.”

my last post was in reference to whether or not a Clinton/Obama ticket would be a “winnable” combination. Both of the videos are insightful. I also read somewhere that some Democrats have stated if Obama was the nominee, they would vote Republican.

PS I’m headed to bed…goodnight if you’re still up.

PS
Interesting event on the other thread. I think some guy is trying to pick up cook who won’t have anything to do with him. cook just stopped posting and left the guy Paul hanging.

272 first and last post @ 01/20/2008 at 11:00 pm

Re: 267 Orchid @ 01/20/2008 at 7:03 pm
“They hate Hillary because of what her husband did. These posters are like those who hate Angie. They all live in the past.”

This is not unexpected. Politics and personal lives certainly do not correlate. Hillary is no Angelina Jolie. After all AJ is Grinhilda as in Beowulf and her aura represents a personal threat to Oprah’s base i.e. the femme fatale who will steal your husband away, force you back to work full time and destroy your family. Hillary is not young beautiful and sexy with a great body but more the JA type, plain, nice. Moreover Hillary has been through the experiences perhaps some of these women have been through or have fears of going through i.e. husbands straying with affairs but comes home. IMO Hillary is the epitome of what educated women, who make up a good portion of Oprah’s base, respect. Moreover these women also feel they could be her match intellectually…it is much more difficult to compete with AJ’s body, sexiness, allure, lips, etc…that requires major plastic surgery. I don’t think Oprah’s audience is stupid but they do have their basic insecurities…Hillary enhances them, AJ scares them.
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I know what you’re saying, and I agree. I’m not comparing the two women. I was saying that people can’t separate the now from what’s in the past and can’t be undone.
There are women who can’t forget what Hillary’s husband, who is not running for office, has done, and also can’t forget that Brad Pitt left a marriage and hooked up with AJ, and now they want to punish both Hillary and AJ.

274 first and last post @ 01/20/2008 at 11:19 pm 269 Orchid @ 01/20/2008 at 7:34 pm
A week ago another commentary panel member said Bill Clinton often during his campaign and Presidency would fly off the handle behind the public eye and it unnerved his staff whereas Hillary Clinton is a “slow burn.” Clinton and BP are such different personalities..,.apples and oranges.
Bill Clinton in an interview talked about his surgery and said since the surgery his view on everything has changed and he believes now there are many situations where it’s not worth the fight.
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I believe it! So, they’re opposites. Well, opposites attract.

Do you have any links for an Obama interview, in which he explains his plans? Or is he just all talk? Maybe he wants on the job training.
Look what happened with W!

Can you believe W thinks in his last year in office he expects to create a Palestinian state, happily co-existing with Israel? Maybe he has a magic wand! We’ll see.

interesting article for you. goes along with race/gender
Why Black Women Prefer Clinton To Obama
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/02/politics/printable3562837.shtml
NEW YORK, Dec. 3, 2007
(CBS) By CBSNews.com’s Michelle Peltier

One of the intriguing stories of Campaign ‘08 is the popularity of Hillary Clinton with black women who might be expected to support Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, the first African-American to emerge as a serious contender for a major party presidential nomination.

A series of CBS News polls show the New York senator has a 15-point lead over Obama among black women. Other polls have confirmed Clinton’s popularity with African-American women.

Overwhelmingly, the most frequently stated reasons women give for favoring Hillary Clinton are that they have positive feelings about her husband and his administration and they think she’s got the best shot of any of the Democrats to win against the Republicans.

“Most Black women simply believe Clinton can win,” said former Gore campaign manager and Democratic strategist Donna Brazile. “They loved her husband Bill and would like to see ‘a woman elected first’”

Obama hopes to find the antidote to Clinton’s less-than-secret weapon - husband Bill - with a boost from talk-show queen Oprah Winfrey, who is campaigning for Obama in three early primary states: Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina.

But beating back Bill won’t be easy.

As much as African Americans may instinctively roll their eyes in exasperation when they hear Bill Clinton referred to as the “first black president”, it is undeniable he made an emotional connection with black America in a way that no other president has.

Sheryl McCarthy is a columnist for USA Today and Newsday who often explores issues of politics and race. “Black people have always felt with Bill Clinton that he is sort of one of them, “that he cares about them, that he can relate to them,” she said.

“And after he left the White House”, McCarthy observed, “he put his office in Harlem. So black people have a real connection with Bill Clinton and may think there’s sort of a continuum with Hillary Clinton or similar sensibility with Hillary.”

Mark Sawyer is director of UCLA’s Center for the Study of Race, Ethnicity and Politics. He pointed out Hillary also enjoys a halo effect from the fact that black Americans felt more confident economically during the 1990’s.

“Relative to other years, other presidencies, African Americans did very well under the Clinton administration, though there’s substantial evidence that they perceive themselves to be doing a lot better than they actually were,” he said.

Hillary Clinton’s White House years also gave her a forum from which she was able to raise her own visibility. Dr. Suzan Johnson Cook is an influential African American Baptist pastor who served as a member of Bill Clinton’s Domestic Policy Council and is now active in Hillary’s presidential campaign.

“I got to know her as the first lady,” Johnson Cook said, “and I got to see her work with health reform. She took on some issues, which was very courageous and the first time a first lady really dealt with policy.”

That time in the White House also put Clinton in the public eye as the long-suffering wife of a man with a roving eye.

“It took a lot to hold up under that,” Johnson Cook said. “I don’t know how many women could have done that, but she did, so I give her three thumbs up.”

Success begets success, and the simple fact that Hillary Clinton is the leader of the Democratic pack in most national polls carries a lot of weight in the minds of black women.

“She looks like she has a much stronger chance of getting the nomination and getting elected than Obama. You want to go with the winner, and if that’s a woman as opposed to someone black, then you want to go with them,” said Newsday columnist McCarthy.

The Rev. Johnson Cook points out that the kinds of issues Hillary has tackled in her political service also make her especially attractive to black women.

“Many of us are mothers and wives and family women, however you qualify us, and we know the track record of Senator Clinton with children, particularly poor children, and city children. When we look at someone who has a track record of voting that way and representing us and fighting for us and advocating, then she wins on the experience and the track record, hands down, no question, undeniably,” she said.

Race weighs heavily on the minds of black women, though not always in ways that have generated support for Obama.

In a series of interviews in South Carolina, New York Times reporter Katharine Q. Seelye noted that black women often brought up a sense of fear for Barack Obama’s safety if he was elected, describing it as “an almost maternal concern”.

“I don’t feel the country is ready for an African American,” one woman told her, “He would be killed.”

“Do you have any links for an Obama interview, in which he explains his plans? ”
No interview but here is an article.
here you go. link at the bottom.
Obama proposes $75 billion stimulus plan
Proposal includes tax credit for workers, help for at-risk homeowners
Reuters
updated 4:45 p.m. ET Jan. 13, 2008
LAS VEGAS - Amid growing worries about a worsening of the U.S. economy, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama proposed a $75 billion economic stimulus plan on Sunday that includes worker tax credits, a one-time pension supplement and help to homeowners facing foreclosure.

The plan would include an immediate $250 tax credit for workers, which could double if the economy worsens, a one-time $250 supplement to Social Security payments, a $10 billion fund to help homeowners facing foreclosure and a $10 billion fund to assist states facing budget shortfalls amid lower tax revenues.

“We need that middle-class tax cut now more than ever — not five months from now or five weeks from now, but now,” Obama said in a statement. “I’m announcing a plan to jump-start the economy by putting money in the pockets of those who need it most and will spend it quickly.”

If he won his party’s nomination and then the November election, Obama would take office in January 2009.

The Illinois senator’s office unveiled the proposals at the start of a day of campaigning in Nevada, which holds the next contested Democratic primary on Saturday.

The “goal would be to help the U.S. economy from going into recession,” his economic advisor Austan Goolsbee told reporters.

Obama’s leading rival, New York Sen. Hillary Clinton, on Friday unveiled an economic stimulus package she said would be worth $70 billion. Her plan placed more of an emphasis on helping families unable to make mortgage payments — a major issue in Nevada where “for sale” signs are common on homes around heavily populated Las Vegas.

“There are some similarities,” Goolsbee said of the two plans. The biggest difference with Obama’s plan is that “the absolutely most imperative thing is to get the money into the people’s hands immediately so they can spent it.”

“The stimulus does increase the deficit in the immediate term,” the economic adviser said, adding that preventing a recession could have “profound” budget implications.

The Obama plan also includes a $10 billion extension of unemployment insurance to help those who have been unable to find a job for more than six months.

The foreclosure help plan would be aimed at “responsible homeowners” who live in their primary residences, Goolsbee said. Las Vegas has been hit hard by the subprime loan crisis, but many of those suffering bought additional houses hoping that fast rising prices amid a prosperous local economy would lead to easy money.

Last year, Obama proposed tax credits of up to $500 for 150 million workers. His revised economic plan calls for $250 of that to come in an immediate credit, and the rest as soon as three months later if the nation’s unemployment rate worsens.

Copyright 2008 Reuters. Click for restrictions.
URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22637891/

Regarding a Clinton/Obama ticket and the article I posted above i.e. the last sentence by an African American woman…

“I don’t feel the country is ready for an African American,” one woman told her, “He would be killed.”

Not to be offensive but Chris Rock in one of his HBO specials clarifying why Colin Powell would never be considered as a Vice Presidential candidate is because some black person would just kill the President so a black man could become President…something to think about…both scenarios maybe not be so far from the truth unfortunately…we live in unpredictable times.

okay here’s one dated today re: Obama. Link below.

Obama sets record straight on religion
Presidential candidate battles misconception that he’s a Muslim
The Associated Press
updated 10:49 a.m. ET Jan. 21, 2008
COLUMBIA, S.C. - Barack Obama is stepping up his effort to correct the misconception that he’s a Muslim now that the presidential campaign has hit the Bible Belt.

At a rally to kick off a weeklong campaign for the South Carolina primary, Obama tried to set the record straight from an attack circulating widely on the Internet that is designed to play into prejudices against Muslims and fears of terrorism.

“I’ve been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years,” Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. “I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I’m in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail … send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate.”

Obama is referring to a debunked chain e-mail circulating widely on the Internet that suggests he is hiding his Islamic roots and may be a terrorist in disguise. It says he was sworn into the Senate on the Quran and turns his back on the flag during the pledge.

Some facts, some misstatements
There are some truths in the e-mail’s details. Obama’s middle name is Hussein. His father and stepfather were Muslim. And he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, a largely Muslim country. But he attended secular and Catholic schools, not a radical madrassa.

His campaign has been pushing back against the false rumors all year. His aides decried an incorrect news report that Obama was educated in a Muslim madrassa and a section of his Web site is devoted to correct that and other false rumors circulating on the Internet.

But they are stepping up the effort now that the campaign has hit South Carolina and soon turns to other southern states where religion is so important to voters. The campaign distributed an open letter from seven Jewish senators this weekend condemning the attacks; aides are planning an event this week to respond directly to the e-mails; and campaign representatives blanketed South Carolina churches Sunday with literature that touted Obama’s Christian faith.

One piece features photos of Obama praying with the words “COMMITTED CHRISTIAN” in large letters across the middle. It says Obama will be a president “guided by his Christian faith” and includes a quote from him saying, “I believe in the power of prayer.”

A second piece, which like the first doesn’t mention the Muslim rumor, includes photos of Obama with his family and a caption that says they are active members of Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. It explains how as a young man Obama “felt a beckoning of the spirit and accepted Jesus Christ into his life.”

Fighting against Clintons
Obama says he’s going to fight harder against other mischaracterizations about his positions that he says are being perpetrated by rival Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband, the former president.

“When I see Senator Clinton, President Clinton distort my words … that is not a way to move the debate forward, that is not a way to help the American people,” Obama said during his rally at the Columbia Convention Center. “I am not running for president just to become president, I’m running to help the American people. I’m not willing to say or do anything just to win an election.”

The Clinton campaign suggested the former president would continue pointing out what it says are inconsistencies in Obama’s record.

“President Clinton is a huge asset to our campaign and will continue talking to the American people to press the case for Senator Clinton,” said Clinton spokesman Phil Singer.

Obama adviser Steve Hildebrand said the campaign has organized “truth squads” made up of South Carolina supporters ready to defend Obama’s record from any attacks made by the Clintons this week.

In an interview broadcast Monday on ABC’s “Good Morning America,” Obama said the former president “has taken his advocacy on behalf of his wife to a level that I think is pretty troubling” by making statements that are not supported by the facts.

“This has become a habit, and one of the things that we’re going to have to do is to directly confront Bill Clinton when he’s making statements that are not factually accurate,” Obama said.

The Clinton campaign responded to Obama’s interview with ABC by posting a fact check on a campaign Web site in an effort to bolster Bill Clinton’s arguments against Obama.

“We understand Senator Obama is frustrated by his loss in Nevada, but facts are facts,” Singer said.

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286 first and last post @ 01/21/2008 at 3:09 pm interesting article for you. goes along with race/gender
Why Black Women Prefer Clinton To Obama
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/12/02/politics/printable3562837.shtml
NEW YORK, Dec. 3, 2007
(CBS) By CBSNews.com’s Michelle Peltier

Great. Good for HRC. Her husband is her greatest asset, but I hear other Democratic leaders have cautioned him to take it down a notch. In one of the videos somebody wondered if her campaign can’t control him, will her WH be able to. It must be very difficult for him to restrain himself because the candidate is his wife. I so hope he doesn’t ruin things for her.

Btw, thanks for the links, where I found even more videos! My head was spinning after all that!

But beating back Bill won’t be easy.
That sounds good to me!!! :lol:

“And after he left the White House”, McCarthy observed, “he put his office in Harlem…….”
That was a very smart move!

290 first and last post @ 01/21/2008 at 4:03 pm

Regarding a Clinton/Obama ticket and the article I posted above i.e. the last sentence by an African American woman…
“I don’t feel the country is ready for an African American,” one woman told her, “He would be killed.”
There are sick people around. I’m thinking of Benazir Bhutto. Some people in Pakistan don’t want a woman leader.

Not to be offensive but Chris Rock in one of his HBO specials clarifying why Colin Powell would never be considered as a Vice Presidential candidate is because some black person would just kill the President so a black man could become President…something to think about…both scenarios maybe not be so far from the truth unfortunately…we live in unpredictable times.
I haven’t thought of that. It’s shocking!!! Makes a Clinton-Obama ticket scary! Not that I see it happening now after all the unpleasant back-and-forth.

Oops, I did it again in # 296. Sorry!

293Orchid @ 01/22/2008 at 7:44 pm
“I read a couple of years ago that only 14% of Americans have passports. Sounds low but it’s still more than 30 million people.”

Thanks for this stat…percentage wise it is still low IMO, however this is surely low considering until recently passports were not required to travel our northern and southern borders, so that figure will climb dramatically.

“If he wins, I suppose he would pick a much younger Veep.”
“would” or “should.” Actually at seventy, any of those currently running would be considered much younger. However I did read that the concern was that McCain supporters really like him for him and there are no other candidates on the horizon they feel has his background experiences and international knowledge or else they’d support that candidate. That indicates to me that those concerned about his age are taking that very seriously and long term and obviously the veep is only a veep, eg Cheney.

“I guess after 9/11 many realized for the first time that there are other countries!”
The theory is that the United States of America has never had a military intrusion on our soils, so for all that time up to 9/11 consequently Americans have been quite comfortable and feeling safe and secure…we were forced to wake up out of fear. I remember clearly the day of 9/11 that the projections and newspapers around the San Francisco and Los Angeles area were instilling the thought that these areas are next. I live in the East Bay of San Francisco and both bridges (Bay Bridge and Golden Gate) immediately had National Guards everywhere on the bridges parked in niches and patrolling the highway. It was a terrifying but suddenly realistic impression. They were positioned to obviously to make us (a nervous bunch) feel more secure and to make it more difficult for anyone to stand out from the normal.
Most people who live in my area know that the two bridges are big time targets especially the Golden Gate Bridge because it is so well known and a symbol for our area and California.

Interesting to note that the US has been the intruder on many a foreign soils and has been given the designation as having the “mightiest” military in the world with the latest technology at our disposal…IMO this lead to Americans nonchalant attitudes about many issues… so naturally it was a shock.

301 Orchid @ 01/23/2008 at 6:03 pm
“Are you saying you need a passport now to travel to Canada and Mexico?” yes, I think as of January 2008 but I’m not exact on that date.
I suppose it has to do with trying to stop illegal immigration?”
Absolutely yes. Now the US just to worry about bribes at the borders with Mexico which is happening already apparently and those miles and miles of tunnels from Mexico into New Mexico which the taxpayers are paying to have collapse as fast as they are being dug.

“I remember Huckabee calling W’s foreign policy arrogant.”
I remember a news article or political commentary criticizing W for having the Texas John Wayne cowboy arrogance, which hindered his communication internationally because other countries were not sure how to take his approach.
Americans are arrogant…Bush was voted in office in part because of his cowboy tough stance arrogance and the nation was on a vigilante mission to get Bin Laden.
I remember Bush making speeches where he proclaimed he would be found, he would be punished, blah, blah, blah…now if Bin Laden were captured during Bush’s administration, he would happily make that his legacy.

Entitled Scoring the Clinton Obama fight
Live with Dan Abrams program, round 3 and 4 dated January 23, 2008. I don’t see a round 1 and 2, it was probably another day.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22803736#22793408

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22803736#22793467

both excellent in details criticizing both candidates on the nuances of what the candidates are accusing.

Yes, very interesting the things Tom Brokaw said. I listened to it twice.
So, there are ‘gold-plated’ Republicans considering voting for HRC!

TBrokaw said he didn’t expect it to be so intense. I think he’s right, and I really hope Bill Clinton doesn’t go too far.
The interviewer said he has never seen a former president…, but then a former first lady has never run for the office.

I think that, right now, this is more interesting than arguing with B&A’s haters, although I’ve done that too. There are some nasty ones in the latest x thread.

307 first and last post @ 01/23/2008 at 8:24 pm
well, I just figured out that you can post one link with the http but you can’t post two or you will “await moderation.”

“I think that, right now, this is more interesting than arguing with B&A’s haters, although I’ve done that too. There are some nasty ones in the latest x thread.”
I’ve been to both threads today and couldn’t take it. I refuse to post on a x thread although I do feel that it’s fair for JP supporters to post there because they post on the JP threads. It’s just that I only have a schadenfreude interest in her. As a side note I was looking at the links re: her braless tendencies and thought they look so fake but decided my opinions on her perpetual exhibitionism weren’t worthy to post…an attention getting almost 40 single woman knowing she will be photographed goes braless in white or positions her bottom in the air is…well there are no words.
And yes, this is far more interesting. While I’m posting to you I’m also listening to as many of the videos I can get on all the candidates. I just heard one of the commentators say that Fred Thompson is probably going to be high on the list for vp to McCain because they are old friends (the McCains went on Thompson’s honeymoon) and that Thompson is waiting before endorsing him to see if McCain drops out, then Thompson would endorse Romney in hopes he could be veep to him. They also just said Thompson dropped out because his mother is ill.
I also heard from this same program that the Clinton campaign may be using Bill Clinton as a “decoy” to distract away from Obama bashing of Hilliary.

309 first and last post @ 01/23/2008 at 9:11 pm
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BTW have you heard the joke going around…”Bill Clinton has probably bedded more black women than Obama.” Sorry if that was offensive…but it is funny.
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No, I haven’t! Very funny. Probably true lol: , but then he is much older.
I’ve been watching too much politics on TV and the videos.
I’ve been wondering why that Rezko guy hasn’t been mentioned, until Hillary did the other day. I’ll say it again, I sooo hope Bill doesn’t ruin things for his wife.

310Orchid @ 01/27/2008 at 2:35 am

“I’ve been watching too much politics on TV and the videos.
I’ve been wondering why that Rezko guy hasn’t been mentioned, until Hillary did the other day. I’ll say it again, I sooo hope Bill doesn’t ruin things for his wife.”

My apologies Orchid for not having posted here…I’ve missed our exchanges. I had to close down this thread…I carry multiple websites at the same time!…but there is something about jj’s that slows down my computer i.e. the “script error” problem that others have had. Then to boot, I couldn’t find this particular thread through the archives search or my “history” via my browser and dummy me didn’t look to the bottom to go the manual slow-mode way…but here I am again.
I wanted to know what you thought of the recent Obama/Clinton exchanges and to our mutual fear, Bill did exactly what you stated…but he is on track now I think. Did you know the new term for them is “Billary”…here is an amusing article on that. I eliminated the http
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/25/AR2008012502780.html?wpisrc=newsletter
Super Tuesday is tomorrow Feb 5, my state included and it is sooooooo close. Interesting commentary mentioned that although Obama is currently making great headways into California’s Clinton base, it may be too late because most of the Clinton people have already voted by mail and those voting in person who may change over to Obama based on his better debate performances of late may not be enough to give him any boost…we’ll see tomorrow. Hope you return to this thread…sorry for not keeping up with your post. I really have missed our discussion.

Orchid,
more commentaries Meet the Press for you including my favorites Mary Matalin and James Carville. http’s eliminated.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22996214#22977659

entitled Bill Clinton takes a back seat
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22996214#22977643

entitled Clinton Obama neck and neck
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22996214#22977619

entitled Clinton’s War vote a mistake
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/22996214#22977633

313 first and last post @ 02/04/2008 at 4:55 pm

PS I never get tired of listening to the commentaries on both Democrats and Republicans. What do you think of the Kennedy’s move??? not Bobby Kennedy Jr’s but Teddy, Caroline and Maria.

I cannot believe how exciting both Democrats and Republican primaries are becoming. California will decide it. What do you think of McCain???
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The Kenedy clan sure is divided! Do they have much influence?
Yes, it’s getting very exciting. I withdrew a little because I didn’t want to be too much in it - I’m worried for HRC. I want to not care about the result, if you know what I mean.
McCain seems like a nice man, a little forgetful. He also isn’t very popular with some people in his own party because he’s not conservative enough. I don’t think he cares. Many voters seem to like him, and the haters have one vote each