OlderRoseanne Barr Hates Oprah
Actress/comedian Roseanne Barr has made some wild accusations in her latest blog about talk show host Oprah Winfrey and Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Here’s a summary of what she said (with spelling and grammar fixed):
– Barack is an empty suit selling “hope” in lieu of Truth
– Oprah helped to elect Arnold Schwarzenegger. I have no doubt that she voted her purse by doing this, as she is a large land owner in California, and that ilk fears Dems because they do not want to pay their “fair share” of Cali tax.
– Oprah has given us Dr. Phil. If that was not offensive enough to decent thinking people, now she brings us Obama. He has no ideas, no plan and nothing to add other than the cynical pacification of the masses with bedtime stories about hope.
– Oprah, you play the race card and the gender card too. You are a closeted republican and chose Barack because you do not like other women who actually stand for something to working American Women besides glamour, angels, Hollywood and dieting!
– It is historical that Oprah, beloved of women, chooses a flashy man with small credentials over a seasoned woman politician with 35 years of experience…and sells that to the female demographic who look to her for inspiration!
OUCH!!!!!
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test…word press doesn’t like me.
phooey…
but I’m not giving up.
Orchid,
bbl to try again…this is very frustrating. I’ve tried about twelve times…maybe I’ll change browsers.
Hi Orchid
re: Dean’s announcement that there are no rules for the superdelegates…that’s good for HRC but maybe not for the party i.e. all the media hype about division and “traitors” (not my word btw, a media tag) within the party heightening the racism suspicion within the party and the disappointment it will create amongst black voters…it’s interesting that the other side of “women disappointment” within the party wasn’t addressed. I think it is just as important that it could blatantly show the discrimination against women even more so…aren’t women still 50% of the population???
Furthermore, what about traitors amongst women which I guess is not much of a surprise…women can be so self destructive in the name of “men”….
IMO HRC is coming across well…her request to have Obama debate her without a moderator was smart. Obama was smacked by all the pundits and news regarding his poor performance on the last debate and wisely he declined her offer because she will be tougher than any moderator and I think he knows that…however any astute voter would pick up on the nuances of Obama being reluctant aka “not up to par” to meet her one on one in basically her forum…unfortunately you and I have already come to the conclusion that the “mass voter” is not that astute.
PS I actually feel badly for McCain, his senior moments are becoming more notable and it’s going to hurt him…otherwise I like him.
Also the pundits are saying that Clinton has an even chance of winning Indiana which about a month ago was clearly defined as Obama territory…another sign for superdelegates to question, what is with Obama’s closing problem…now he’s losing in a state, he was identified as clearly winning.
The new question posed to the superdelegates if Obama loses Indiana and North Carolina is can he win the Democratic “white” vote? They were also saying that Hillary is smart to directly lobby the superdelegates at this time and why is Obama not bothering? IMO he is politically naïve and inexperienced floating on his delegate lead and is falling for his own hype without paying attention to the crucial underlying nuances of the power of elected officials.
re: Dean’s announcement that there are no rules for the superdelegates…that’s good for HRC but maybe not for the party i.e. all the media hype about division and “traitors” (not my word btw, a media tag) within the party heightening the racism suspicion within the party and the disappointment it will create amongst black voters…it’s interesting that the other side of “women disappointment” within the party wasn’t addressed. I think it is just as important that it could blatantly show the discrimination against women even more so…aren’t women still 50% of the population???
Furthermore, what about traitors amongst women which I guess is not much of a surprise…women can be so self destructive in the name of “men”….
IMO HRC is coming across well…her request to have Obama debate her without a moderator was smart. Obama was smacked by all the pundits and news regarding his poor performance on the last debate and wisely he declined her offer because she will be tougher than any moderator and I think he knows that…however any astute voter would pick up on the nuances of Obama being reluctant aka “not up to par” to meet her one on one in basically her forum…unfortunately you and I have already come to the conclusion that the “mass voter” is not that astute.
PS I actually feel badly for McCain, his senior moments are becoming more notable and it’s going to hurt him…otherwise I like him.
Also the pundits are saying that Clinton has an even chance of winning Indiana which about a month ago was clearly defined as Obama territory…another sign for superdelegates to question, what is with Obama’s closing problem…now he’s losing in a state, he was identified as clearly winning.
The new question posed to the superdelegates if Obama loses Indiana and North Carolina is can he win the Democratic “white” vote? They were also saying that Hillary is smart to directly lobby the superdelegates at this time and why is Obama not bothering? IMO he is politically naïve and inexperienced floating on his delegate lead and is falling for his own hype without paying attention to the crucial underlying nuances of the power of elected officials.
Hi Orchid,
This is my umpteenth try at posting. How are you? Anything new happening on the JP threads? Haven’t had the time to read through all the pages so I’m out of date.
Did you see the Moyers interview with Rev Jeremiah Wright. I haven’t but Tim Russert had an panel discussion with one of my favorites Gwen Ifill who talked about race vs racism and the dismay of Obama to Rev Wrights reappearance…they had a clip of a portion of Wright’s interview.
sorry Orchid, word press won’t let me post the link. Also notice “awaiting moderation” is gone, it just won’t post!
Try again…I eliminated the http and the www
msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24338133#24338133
sorry for the double post…I’m sure you understand Orchid but I’m lucky to get any of my posts posted today.
Orchid,
I just heard that the Bill Moyers interview with Rev Jeremiah Wright is on tomorrow night (Monday, April 28th) on PBS.
Hope you get to view it. Since I don’t have television access, I’ll listen to the commentaries after it is aired.
The pundits are saying, what a horror story for Obama because the pre-snippets of the interview are not favorable to Obama. They said how Wright’s interview will affect Obama depends on how Wright comes across.
Orchid,
Reverend Wright may be the gaffe Obama critics have been looking for…Wright can’t help himself with his pompous, arrogant remarks…amazingly self centered looking for his fifteen minutes of fame…Moyers…then the Washington Press Club…too funny…his notoriety will be that he was the one who brought Obama down…does Wright care?…he’s too busygetting his name in the media trying to clear his reputation and using the media as his pulpit..next will be his own talk radio show!! LOL.
(If I read correctly can you believe Spitzer’s “other” is getting an opportunity to be on a TVsitcom?)
The powers that be in the media are grasping at “money-making”
moronic attention getters…and it works!…what does that say about the masses??? …no wonder I don’t watch television.
It will be interesting to see if Obama has any influence in getting Wright to shut up. Obama is in a bind, if he doesn’t handle it properly he could lose either the “white” vote he needs at this point or the “black” vote he already has…this campaign is taking more twists and turns…it’s a better read the JP threads!
Hi FALP
Obama is definitely in a bind, and this campaign is definitely a better read than the JP threads!
When the Cannes film festival starts, I’ll be paying more attention to that, but now I’m posting in democraticunderground.
BHO is worried about the ‘white’ vote so he is following HRC and JMcC onto Bill Oreilly’s “The Factor.” I think most of the “black” vote will stay with him. They are way too excited that “one of us” might be the candidate.
I watched Wright both with Moyers and at the press club. He is arrogant, and he sure likes the spotlight. Moyers was nice to him, and you’d be surprised how well received he was at the press club. People applauded him. On the other hand, according to polls, and you know how you can’t really trust/rely on polls, Wright has caused BHO to lose ‘white’ male votes! All very confusing.
JW seems comfortable and confident, so I think he knows a lot about BHO, who has to be careful! There’s no way BHO doesn’t know his pastor’s views! Not after two decades knowing the man.
Wright will speak whenever he wants. I doubt BHO can shut him up. Wright knows too much, and I think you could say it was Wright who made him.
JW actually said that if BHO wins (makes it to the WH), he (JW) would
‘come after him!’ Whatever that means!
As for Spitzer’s girly girl, well, that was to be expected. Now the masses are interested in her. Sex sells. She might also be on the cover of “Playboy!” :lol:
This was in one of Rupert Murdoch-owned newspapers.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23336447-5013948,00.html
This psephologist also predicted a Kerry win four years ago, before Kerry got swiftboated.
Forgot to add that since that prediction last month (8 March), things have happened that are worrying for HRC’s campaign, but there is also Jeremiah Wright to worry BHO. :lol:
Did you read about Hillary’s interview by Bill Oreilly? I saw it. She was very relaxed and looked like she enjoyed herself. He was very nice to her. I think he was almost flirting a little! :smile:
Hey there Orchid,
Orchid @ 05/03/2008 at 1:49 am
“JW actually said that if BHO wins (makes it to the WH), he (JW) would come after him!’ Whatever that means!”
he actually said that!! do you think this is now a battle between Jeremiah Wright’s pride and Obama need to get him off his coattails? I mean, Obama had to detach himself completely.
I had heard on one of those political commentaries by another black minister that Wright is very well respected among “black” congregations outside his own for his recent media attention.
They feel that he is drawing the distinction between black Christians and “white” Christians fairly and bringing the differences to the forefront…implying Obama is NOT a black Christian but more of a “white” Christian which is interesting…probably the reason why Obama made that last speech saying that Wright’s views were not his views. I agree with you that some blacks will stick with Obama because they are excited to have a Black person as a candidate but one has to wonder if “black women” feel on the fence torn between their gender and their ethnicity. Do you have any insights into that question?…afterall women are excited about having a women so close to becoming the first woman President in this country and I keep going back to …aren’t we still about 50% of the voters??? But I just answered my own question…if black women were swayed toward gender, HRC would be further ahead in the lead.
btw I am not surprised that Wright turned white men away from Obama…”white men” are very sensitive to the tone and arrogance of Wright’s approach. LOL…for “white men” it must be tough for them to consider ever voting for a woman…will they cross over to McCain? do you know the answer to that one? any polls or articles written addressing that possibility?
re: 489 Orchid @ 05/03/2008 at 5:29 am
HRC has really opened up her funny side recently and I think it has helped showed she has another side. i remember James Carville saying that she really is very warm and sincere in person and has a very good sense of humor to people who interact and know her. I think this image of her being controlling, stoic and unfunny was due to her “contained” public reaction to Bill’s philandering especially with Lewinsky…what did the public want her to do…burst into tears aka Aniston style and be the victim…HRC is too classy for that but on the other hand, she gets attacked and falsely accused of being an “ice” personality…geez, women can’t win…especially with other women who are and were the ones who attacked her…especially younger women, not those in HRC age category and older…that is what intrigues me…have the baby boomer feminist mothers produced a backlash and a generation of “fifties” thinking women? …something to think about anyway.
North Carolina and Indiana will prove to be very deciding.
Orchid,
I know polls don’t mean much…except that when they make front page news, voters and superdelegates on the fence are likely taking notes. Eg. One headline from
U.S. & World May 3, 2008
Poll: Working-Class Whites Losing Faith In Obama
WASHINGTON (AP) ― Barack Obama’s problem winning votes from working-class whites is showing no sign of going away, and their impression of him is getting worse.
Those are ominous signals as he hopes for strong performances next week in Indiana and North Carolina primaries that would derail the candidacy of Hillary Rodham Clinton, his rival for the Democratic presidential nomination. Those contests come as his candidacy has been rocked by renewed attention to his volatile former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and by his defeat in last month’s Pennsylvania primary.
In an Associated Press-Yahoo News poll in April, 53 percent of whites who have not completed college viewed Obama unfavorably, up a dozen percentage points from November. During that period, the numbers viewing Clinton and Republican candidate John McCain negatively have stayed about even.
The April poll — conducted before the Pennsylvania contest — also showed an overwhelming preference for Clinton over Obama among working-class whites. They favored her over him by 39 percentage points, compared to a 10-point Obama lead among white college graduates. Obama also did worse than Clinton among those less-educated voters when matched up against Republican candidate John McCain.
“It’s the stuff about his preacher … and the thing he said about Pennsylvania towns, how they turn to religion,” Keith Wolfe, 41, a supermarket food stocker from Parkville, Md., said in a follow-up interview. “I don’t think he’d be a really good leader.”
Just before the Pennsylvania primary, Obama said many small-town residents are bitter about their lives and turn for solace to religion and guns.
Recent voting patterns underscore Obama’s continued poor performance with these voters, who are often pivotal in general election swing states like Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania.
In Democratic primaries held on or before Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, whites who have not finished college favored the New York senator by a cumulative 59 percent to 32 percent, according to exit polls of voters conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.
In primaries since Feb. 5, that group has favored Clinton by 64 percent to 34 percent. That includes Ohio and Pennsylvania, in which working-class whites have favored Clinton by 44 and 41 percentage points respectively.
The AP-Yahoo poll shows less educated whites present a problem to Obama in part because of who they are. Besides being poorer, they tend to be older than white college graduates — and Clinton has done strongly with older white voters.
Yet political professionals and analysts say more is at play. They blame Obama’s problems with blue-collar whites on their greater reluctance to embrace his bid to become the first black president, and his failure to address their concerns about job losses and the battered economy specifically enough.
Terry Madonna, a political science professor at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., said Obama lost among working-class whites in the state because his message of how this generation’s time has come did not address their economic needs.
“While it’s incredibly motivating and passionate and compelling, it lacks content,” Madonna said. “Hillary would come in and relate to them, talk about the specifics of her policy.”
Pennsylvania also illustrated the problems racial attitudes among less educated whites are causing Obama.
In exit polls, one in five of the state’s white voters who haven’t completed college said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate, about double the number of white college graduates who said so. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton over Obama, and only about half said they would vote for Obama over McCain in November.
“The scab is pealed back off,” Democratic pollster John Anzalone, not working for either presidential candidate, said of the latest attention focused on Wright and Obama’s denunciations of him. In video clips of past sermons, Wright has damned the United States for its history of racism and accused the government of spreading the HIV virus to harm blacks.
Obama pollster Cornell Belcher said that while working-class whites have favored Clinton, the fact that huge numbers of them and other voters have participated in Democratic contests boded well for the November election.
“I don’t think there’s going to be erosion in the fall of a core group of Democratic voters,” Belcher said.
While less educated whites tend to vote less frequently than better educated voters, they are important because of their sheer number.
Exit polls show they have comprised three in 10 voters in Democratic contests so far, a group that cannot be ignored in a contest that has seen Obama maintain a slim lead. They made up 43 percent of all voters in the 2004 presidential contest, when they heavily favored President Bush over Democrat John Kerry.
Underlining his need to connect with these voters, Obama has geared some television ads in Indiana toward economic issues. In recent days he has turned to small events, rather than his trademark huge rallies, concentrating on the economy, including lunching with a blue-collar Indiana family while discussing their problems.
He has let cameras record him playing basketball in hopes of connecting with the passionate fans of the sport who populate Indiana and North Carolina.
The findings from the AP-Yahoo News poll are from interviews with 863 Democrats on a panel of adults questioned in November and April. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points.
The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it free.
The exit poll is based on in-person interviews with more than 36,000 voters in 28 states that have held primaries this year in which both candidates actively competed. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 1 percentage point, larger for some subgroups.
continued…
In Democratic primaries held on or before Super Tuesday, Feb. 5, whites who have not finished college favored the New York senator by a cumulative 59 percent to 32 percent, according to exit polls of voters conducted for The Associated Press and the television networks.
In primaries since Feb. 5, that group has favored Clinton by 64 percent to 34 percent. That includes Ohio and Pennsylvania, in which working-class whites have favored Clinton by 44 and 41 percentage points respectively.
The AP-Yahoo poll shows less educated whites present a problem to Obama in part because of who they are. Besides being poorer, they tend to be older than white college graduates — and Clinton has done strongly with older white voters.
Yet political professionals and analysts say more is at play. They blame Obama’s problems with blue-collar whites on their greater reluctance to embrace his bid to become the first black president, and his failure to address their concerns about job losses and the battered economy specifically enough.
Terry Madonna, a political science professor at Franklin & Marshall College in Lancaster, Pa., said Obama lost among working-class whites in the state because his message of how this generation’s time has come did not address their economic needs.
“While it’s incredibly motivating and passionate and compelling, it lacks content,” Madonna said. “Hillary would come in and relate to them, talk about the specifics of her policy.”
Pennsylvania also illustrated the problems racial attitudes among less educated whites are causing Obama.
In exit polls, one in five of the state’s white voters who haven’t completed college said race was an important factor in choosing a candidate, about double the number of white college graduates who said so. Eight in 10 of them voted for Clinton over Obama, and only about half said they would vote for Obama over McCain in November.
“The scab is pealed back off,” Democratic pollster John Anzalone, not working for either presidential candidate, said of the latest attention focused on Wright and Obama’s denunciations of him. In video clips of past sermons, Wright has damned the United States for its history of racism and accused the government of spreading the HIV virus to harm blacks.
Obama pollster Cornell Belcher said that while working-class whites have favored Clinton, the fact that huge numbers of them and other voters have participated in Democratic contests boded well for the November election.
“I don’t think there’s going to be erosion in the fall of a core group of Democratic voters,” Belcher said.
While less educated whites tend to vote less frequently than better educated voters, they are important because of their sheer number.
Exit polls show they have comprised three in 10 voters in Democratic contests so far, a group that cannot be ignored in a contest that has seen Obama maintain a slim lead. They made up 43 percent of all voters in the 2004 presidential contest, when they heavily favored President Bush over Democrat John Kerry.
Underlining his need to connect with these voters, Obama has geared some television ads in Indiana toward economic issues. In recent days he has turned to small events, rather than his trademark huge rallies, concentrating on the economy, including lunching with a blue-collar Indiana family while discussing their problems.
He has let cameras record him playing basketball in hopes of connecting with the passionate fans of the sport who populate Indiana and North Carolina.
The findings from the AP-Yahoo News poll are from interviews with 863 Democrats on a panel of adults questioned in November and April. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3.3 percentage points.
The poll was conducted over the Internet by Knowledge Networks, which initially contacted people using traditional telephone polling methods and followed with online interviews. People chosen for the study who had no Internet access were given it free.
The exit poll is based on in-person interviews with more than 36,000 voters in 28 states that have held primaries this year in which both candidates actively competed. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 1 percentage point, larger for some subgroups.
sorry for the long double post…jared took about five minutes for the first to show up along with the second despite my refreshing several times. The article has some interesting points which I thought I share with you.
BTW, did you know that Oprah went to the same church as Obama but left because she didn’t like Reverend Jeremiah Wright’s attitude? The Newsweek article which I attempted to post on this thread won’t come through…it’s in the current issue… claims that Oprah was very sensitive to Wright’s arrogance affecting her target audience so she left. The article states that Oprah being a business woman, thought her viewers would be offended.
PS I also read the same headline in todays MSNBC.com front page…so the headline is getting big news…that news comes about just two days before Tuesdays primaries…how planned was that…the masses have short memories…hopefully they can retain two days worth of information?
re:Orchid @ 05/03/2008 at 5:22 am
it’s interesting that an Australian newspaper is so fanatically detailed in it’s observations and stats on US politics…more so than US news. thanks for sharing that with me.
I’m really, REALLY, going to stop watching this campaign on TV, now that BEO (Big Ears Obama) looks like he will be the candidate.
FALP, are you coming back in the BP and AJ threads? It’s almost Cannes time. Lots of nice clothes and AJ with a big tummy. I wonder what she’ll wear. Maybe there will even be a pda session! :lol:
Hi Orchid,
I agree with you…disappointed so I too am watching less…que sera sera?
I tried to post in response to lylian’s post but got “awaiting moderation” twice so I quit…it’s one thing to get it here when it was just the two of us but it could be annoying to others in major traffic. I emailed jared asking him the secret to avoid being targeted for “awaiting moderation” and to avoid having posts just not show up. He never responded so I’m disappointed in that too…it’s frustrating, then irritating.
You don’t have to return to this thread anymore, Orchid. It’s been nice having exchanges and sharing with you.
best of luck and if I dare to try to post on the JP threads, I’ll give you a shout out.
Hi Orchid,
couldn’t help myself…one last article which may or may not be pertinent re: Florida and MI. Let’s see if this goes through and/or how many times it takes…I must be masochistic…LOL.
The CNN Wire Latest updates on top stories
May 8th, 2008
Clinton supporter pressures Pelosi over White House battle
Posted: 10:12 AM ET
WASHINGTON — In a heated phone call with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi late last month, Hillary Clinton supporter Harvey Weinstein threatened to cut off campaign money to congressional Democrats unless Pelosi embraced a new plan by the movie mogul to finance a revote of the Democratic presidential primaries in Florida and Michigan, according to three officials who were briefed on the contents of the conversation.
The three officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk publicly about the private phone conversation, said Weinstein, a top supporter of Clinton’s presidential campaign, appeared determined to buy Clinton more time in her battle against Sen. Barack Obama by pushing for the revote and pressing Pelosi to back off her previous comments that superdelegates should support the candidate who’s leading in pledged delegates in early June.
Weinstein, a co-founder of Miramax Films who now runs the Weinstein Company, called CNN Thursday to vehemently deny that he issued any threats. “Never, ever was the thought about denying funding to Democrats,” he said.
Weinstein said the phone call focused on his offer to put together a team of people to help finance a revote in Florida and Michigan. “I told her people felt there would be a disenfranchisement of voters” unless Democrats came up with a remedy, he said.
couldn’t help myself…one last article which may or may not be pertinent re: Florida and MI. Let’s see if this goes through and/or how many times it takes…I must be masochistic…LOL.
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Me too! :lol:
I don’t understand why two states are being ignored. The voters in Michigan and Florida can’t like it and shouldn’t accept it.
In gretawire.com I found another link, http://dontvoteobama.net.
Have had posts ‘in moderation’ too. I don’t understand how it works. Never posted anything offensive or vulgar that needed moderation.
I like Harvey Weinstein, and I don’t see why HRC should pull out of the race now. Somebody said it’s like stopping a game before it’s over. BHO supporters want Hillary out of the race so he can concentrate on fighting McCain. While she remains in the race, he has to fight two people.
There’s nothing very interesting in the JP threads right now. Just blurry pictures and some posters (haters) being silly or rude. The usual stuff. ‘See’ you there, when you feel like posting there again.
Or here! I think I’ll post here if/when I think of something to do with politics.
Hey, just thought of something. Some posters on gretawire.com say that HRC should run as an independent. What do you think?
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