Hillary Clinton @ SNL

desperate

Good for her! Yay Hillary!

watching it right now!! I can barely make ridiculous incoherent comments because of this show. Ellen Page is GREAT (just like Tony the Tiger says) all in all it has been a gut busting episode. THANK GAWD THE WRITERS STRIKE IS OVER!

I love her! she is so cute

GO HILLARY!!!

Finaly some one is exposing the baiest media. I had to quit watching that last debate.
they were so unfair to Mrs Clinton, absolute BS.
I acutally like Barrack Obama but I want this to be fair debate, the way they babied him was just not right.

Does anyone even watch SNL anymore????

#14: I’m watching it on SNL website!

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/#mea=221776

Thanks! I’m looking at the video here again, this time with much more satisfaction.

Nicole m @ 03/02/2008 at 1:33 am

I want her to win! She could really change things. And, I’m sick of male presidents! Women are ruling the world now. I think it is time for a woman president.
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We should not judge Presidential candidates based on gender, race, religion and the like. Base it on character. Margaret Thatcher was Prime Minister of Engl;and and she was the biggest cow/. Being a woman is no guarantee. Give me great character and wise judgment. Billary has show neither. As an anti-war American citizen, I say no to 8 more Clinto years. no to sex in the oval office and altoids on presidential penises from White House interns. And yes to change!!!

Obama ‘08!

i agree, obama should not win. Go hillz

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*Yawn* Not funny. She stinks. End of story.

Team Lara Croft, are you an example of the typical Obama supporter? Well, the real Lara Croft would be ashamed of your nonsensical and misogynist posts.

Clinton’s experience is more wide ranging and deeper than Obama’s. She has also shown incredible strength and grace in the face of lunatics who have tried every dirty trick in the book to destroy her since 1992. THAT is who I want in the White House. Someone already tested and proven.

Obama can get his training wheels elsewhere. The financial health and the security of this country and the rest of the world is too important to leave in the hands of a rookie. Obama was not in the US Senate when the vote on Iraq was taken. I will bet you anything he would have voted the exact same way Hillary Clinton did if he had been. He doesn’t exactly have a history of political courage or wisdom.

I’ll take experience and hard work over flowery and empty speeches any day.

Go Clinton.

groundcontrol: i could not agree with you more!

i’m amazed how people don’t point out obama wasn’t even a senator when that vote was taken. and i agree he would’ve voted like hillary.

it’s also pretty incredible how many times obama never took a stand at the state level in illinois. if he was already that cowardly and ill-informed at the state level, why are people giving him such credibility to leapfrog to president??? it makes no sense whatsoever. it’s like the twilight zone when i watch these news programs, seeing all these pundits and commentators fawning over him. the media bias against clinton is a hard fact that can no longer be ignored.

a week or so ago, i sat and watched one of obama’s stump speeches and i swear i didn’t extract anything of substance in the 40 minutes or so that he spoke. i can’t believe the network gave him full coverage, while only showing 10 minutes of clinton’s and 8 minutes of mccain. is that fair? hardly. but i know when i have trouble sleeping at night, i should just tivo one of obama’s sermon like speeches.

seriously, obama sounds just like those false preachers who swindle money from gullible americans. those voting for obama are the ones truly being bamboozled.

groundcontrol @ 03/02/2008 at 3:32 am
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The typical Obama supporter, as polls show, are people who have college degrees, earn over $50,000, etc - so if you consider me a typical Obama supporter than I am in good company.

I am a woman. And I come from a family of strong, educated women. That said, I do not believe I HAVE to vote for a woman because she is a woman. For example, I would rather NEVER vote than to vote for someone like Condoleeza Rice - she’s a woman! Hillary Clinton did the thing I cannot morally support. She voted for the Iraq war. My family has awlays been suoorpter of the Clintons. I was highly disappointed when Bill had sex with an employee in the White Hous however my parents continued to to support him. Then we all began to assess Hillary’s tactics and votes. We became very disappointed in her. She was the last person I expected to go along with Bush’s lies. And she did. She did so to get on the good side of the Republicans.

The joke is Hillary has been a Senator for 6 years yet she runs this story of experience. What has a First Lady done that would warrant experience for the office of the Presidency? Like I said, Barbara Bush nor Betty Ford are qualified to be President just based on that experience alone.

And if she was involved more intricately in Presidential affairs during Bill’s presidency than I have a HUGE problem with that! We did nto vote her in office, we voted him in office. We did not elect her during his term to hold any role in making decisions.

Also, I have A HUGE problem of a President who had been in the white house for 8 years coming back to the White house. I am a strong believer in limits to Presidential terms. As I don’t believe a son of a President like George W should be President so close to his father’s former term, I don’t believe the spouse of a President should either. Now granted we do not have a law against this but it should be something we take very seriously. i am anti-dynasties. And right now, America has been under the leadership of two families for so many years adn that is problematic. Enough is enough.

Hillary is also divisive - she went behind closed doors to try to get Health Care reform passed and was no open about her tactics. Sh epardoned her friend Rich, she takes money from lobbyists, she won’t publicize her task returns adn she just comes off as entitled, cocky, rude, whiny and manipulative.

At the end fo the day, the people have spoken, most people are voting for Obama. The facts are in teh numbers. And if she is so great than it is curious than someone who she did not foresee is giving her such a challenge.

Hillary is part of an old political machine. She is old school. America wants a new take on politics.

I am voting for Obama becaus I am a secure enough woman to understand that sometimes what looks just like you may not be best for you - it is character and wisdom that matter. And she has let me down in her judgment. Completely let me down. i still ahv emy Hillary for Senator NY pin. I put it away in the bottom of a drawer and never have taken it out since. She let a lot of us down. And FYI, I volunteerred for her campaign for Senate when I was living in NY. My girlfriend did too. And we have both moved on to a candidate that has better judgment.

Obama ‘08!

clintonian @ 03/02/2008 at 3:42 am groundcontrol: i could not agree with you more!

i’m amazed how people don’t point out obama wasn’t even a senator when that vote was taken. and i agree he would’ve voted like hillary.

it’s also pretty incredible how many times obama never took a stand at the state level in illinois. if he was already that cowardly and ill-informed at the state level, why are people giving him such credibility to leapfrog to president??? it makes no sense whatsoever. it’s like the twilight zone when i watch these news programs, seeing all these pundits and commentators fawning over him. the media bias against clinton is a hard fact that can no longer be ignored.

a week or so ago, i sat and watched one of obama’s stump speeches and i swear i didn’t extract anything of substance in the 40 minutes or so that he spoke. i can’t believe the network gave him full coverage, while only showing 10 minutes of clinton’s and 8 minutes of mccain. is that fair? hardly. but i know when i have trouble sleeping at night, i should just tivo one of obama’s sermon like speeches.

seriously, obama sounds just like those false preachers who swindle money from gullible americans. those voting for obama are the ones truly being bamboozled.

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Great points. I, too, had hope that Obama would develop and grow into a future candidate. His campaign has proven to be just more of the same old politics and, sadly, incredibly devisive - deliberately I’m afraid.

When you need to try to falsely smear Hillary and Bill Clinton as racists to take away their historic and strong support in the African American community then you lose me. Obama has a history of using distasteful campaign practices and then pretending it’s not really him - it’s just the campaign. As if he is separate from it.

You may have already read this. It’s long but this piece in The New Republic is an excellent article by a respected historian, Sean Wilentz.

Race Man by Sean Wilentz
How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.
Post Date Wednesday, February 27, 2008

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

There’s also an excellent piece by Robin Morgan, Goodbye To All That (#2), published on February 2, 2008, and I cannot find the link but it’s also recent and it, naturally, discusses the disgust she feels about how Clinton is being treated as a woman in the campaign by the media and the other campaign players. I loved it and emailed it around. I’m sure it’s easily Google-able.

I wonder how the Clintons feel about Obama now since they supported him early, raised money for him for his Senate campaign, helped groom him and got him his chance to make that speech at the 2004 convention. That’s another reason I have negative feelings about him. There was no reason for him to run this early in his career.

Go Clinton. Keep fighting.

groundcontrol @ 03/02/2008 at 4:53 am
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nice try. I was wondering how long before a CLinton supporter played the race card to attack Obama.

Look, the reality is someone in her campaig send the Drudge Report a photo of him in Kenya in Kenyan garb to try to smear him playing into America’s muslim fear - as if Muslims are the devil or something. never mind that Hillary adn that daughter of hers went to China and wore Chinese garb as Bush did in Russia. Why aren’t those pictures seen as a threat?

The reality is : Obama is somthing you cannot understand: he is post racial.

He came from the womb of a WHITE woman. He was raised by his WHITE grand-parents. His father is Black. His step-sister is half Asian and married to a Chinese man. His step-father was Asian.

he is of many different cultures. He is Black because in America, esdpecially in politics, it does nto matter what White parent you have - you are seen as Black. So he is Black - but he is of a Wite mother’s womb. Obama is not a racist. nor does he play the race card. That you cannot see that the first person in America’s hsitory to be of African-American descnet who is the most viable candidate for the Presidency on teh Democratic side would experience racism is naive.

But Obama rises above it - he takes the high road.

Bill Clinton so conveniently pointed out after South Carolina that “Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in 88″ - why bring up Jesse Jackson? Why not a White cnadidate that won South Carolina? And the whole “it’s a fairy tale” thing was subversive and mean and full of racial undertones.

But whatever - the reality is: most White men voting in the Democratic primary are voting for Obama; he is closing the gap in White women voting for him; most Blacks vote for him; most college students vote for himl; most young people who are sick fo the old guard vote for him.

He has done what you Hillary supporters are bafled by - he has brought unexpected people together. He is a unifier. Americans are a great people and don’t underestimate them. We rise above this divisive expectations adn do the right thing. And the proof is in the numbers.

Deal with it! Obama ‘08!

i like hillary. obama seems like a phoney who cant get things done.

she’s so great! she’s gotta win! and I totally agree with Clintonian + groundontrol!!!!!
Hillary rocks!!

wow she reminds me the Joker…

desperate.

she has no chance in hell to beat obama.

GO hillary, yoiu are the best

This is a desperate move by a failing candidate. I’m not voting for her because I disagree with some of her ideas. I don’t care if a candidate is a woman, or a hermaphrodite, or an alien, or anyone at all. I judge the politics, and not the person.

–read my blog at http://fashionpoirot.blogspot.com

She’s in a desperate position at this point. I guess her verbal anxiety attack on Obama a week ago and then ridiculing him soon after wasn’t enough. Her whining about the media during the debate was hard to watch, now this…. Shame shame shame… Hillary has no dignity or integrity as a woman…
Here is what **** Morris, who was Bill Clinton’s most trusted advisor during this presidency has to write about Hillary:

“As a first lady, Hillary’s sole important legislative involvement came during the first two years of her husband’s presidency when she sought to pass her ill-conceived health care reform, an effort that failed so miserably that it cost her party control of the House of Representatives for the first time in 40 years. Between 1995 to 1997, she was largely absent from the White House, traveling the world, promoting her best selling book and helping to raise funds. She never attended strategy meetings and her only intervention in the singular legislative achievements of Bill’s administration — welfare reform and the balanced budget deal — was privately to urge a veto of the former and to oppose the latter because it provided for a cut in the capital gains tax. Hillary returned to the White House in 1998 to oversee the defense to the Lewinsky scandal and the impeachment attempt, but the Clinton administration essentially folded its legislative efforts during those years and hung on for dear life. No portfolio of accomplishments there.
In the Senate, she has largely spent her time raising funds for herself and other Democrats (in hopes of attracting the votes of super delegates) and promoting her best selling memoir Living History. In part because of a lack of attention and also because of the Democrats’ minority status during much of her Senate tenure, she has passed very, very little of note.
Her legislative accomplishments in her first term in the Senate were almost entirely symbolic. She renamed a courthouse after Justice Thurgood Marshall. She passed a resolution honoring Alexander Hamilton and another celebrating the win of a Syracuse University lacrosse team. She renamed post offices, founded a national park in Puerto Rico….”

It’s working for Hillary, people are starting to feel sorry for her. You call this a leader. Vote for Hillary because they are not fair to me. You Hillary supporter are just a brain-dead as she is.

It’s quite clear that Obama is running for presidency for us, the American people. He has the logic, integrity, instinct, and the mind to lead us to get involved and care about United States. He will shift this country for a better change.
As a woman, Hillary does not represent the ethics and principles of the female front in America. I truly believe her running for presidency is for personal gain, not for our interest. Her emotionally willful and contradicting manner provides no solution for our future. She proved it time and time again in the media, without using any logic, how “unbalanced” she is.
Furthermore, her resume is nothing more than being a senator of NY, nothing more, nothing less. Why is she more qualified than the other candidates? She supported the WAR in Iraq 8 yrs ago and now she pushing a health care bill that will MANDATE. Oh yes, her globe trotting “80 countries” was following Bill around and promoting her book… If she gets nominated I will NOT vote.
The poll shows that Obama will beat McCain in the election.

Go Hillary! I’m so glad the media bias was shown on SLN. I’m sick and tired of the media. Hillary is far from being out of the race. They’re almost dead even. How is that being seen as Obama as a front runner???
Keep on going Hillary.

TO clintonian:
Obama was a senator when the vote to go to war was taken. He was a state senator.

Hillary is a conniving manipulative WARMONGER.

carrienae @ 03/02/2008 at 4:05 am

Obama twists things like he didn’t agree on the Iraq war. He wasn’t even a senator yet, then.
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Obama didn’t twist anything. He was a state senator WHO WAS AGAINST WAR.

Hillary hag VOTED FOR WAR.

I hope Hillary wins GO HILLARY

It will be a HUGE cleanse for us, to get rid of the female TOXIC liar… She is an embarrassment to the government, the U.S., and us females.

Go OBAMA!!!

There are many women here in NYC that have regrets voting for Hillary on Super Tuesday. They will cast their ballot for Obama at the presidential election this November. If HC gets nominated, these women, including myself, will not vote.

groundcontrol: thanks for that link! again, you bring up valid points on how obama has a habit of distancing himself from his own campaign whenever it gets any heat.

that is the polar opposite of ‘the buck stops here’ accountability that american presidents ought to possess. obama is weak, irresponsible and impetus. i mean, even his own reluctance to ‘denounce and reject’ farrakhan’s endorsement the moment it happened already demonstrates his weakness. he only ‘conceded the point’ when pressed. that to me, is a huge RED FLAG. his lack of conviction, eagerness to please, yet he’s the one who wants to have it both ways. he accuses his opponent of it, yet he does it himself in even greater doses and in more substantial issues.

additionally, his experience and intelligence when it comes to foreign policy and economics puts him at par with g.w. bush, which is a fact i wish more people would recognize. we are in a very delicate time to enable someone to “train” in the office of president.

you’re also right about his ingratitude. the clintons were very supportive of him at the outset, and any implication that the clintons are not for african americans in any way is an outright and blatant lie and a sorry attempt by obama at defamation. it’s another smoke and mirrors move to divert from the real issue at hand: obama is not qualified and is far from prepared to take on the presidency. when you have a congressman go on national tv and can’t name a single accomplishment, that alone should signal the candidate’s incompetence.

from the new republic:
“it is a commentary on the cutthroat, fraudulent politics that lie at the foundation of Obama’s supposedly uplifting campaign.”

that says it all. the hypocrisy in the obama campaign is ridiculous. obama voters will soon realize that they are biting into a rotten apple that looks shiny and glossy on the outside. just a simple comparison into the individuals who endorse both candidates demonstrates the kind of people obama attracts.

it really is incredible the kind of power the media wields. if tv were not around today, hillary would be miles ahead of obama right now.

wake up, america! it’s not too late to do the right, prudent thing for our country. GO, HILLARY!

Why Women Hate Hillary
She reinforces the Genghis Khan principle of American politics that our leaders must be ruthless and macho
By Susan J. Douglas from inthesetimes.com

Hillary wants to be more like a man in her demeanor and politics, leaving some basic tenets of feminism in the dust. She is like patriarchy in sheep’s clothing.

We sat around the dinner table, a group of 50-something progressive feminists, talking to a friend from England about presidential politics. We were all for Hillary, weren’t we, he asked. Hillary? We hated Hillary. He was taken aback. Weren’t we her base? Wasn’t she one of us? Why did we hate Hillary?

Of course, a lot of people seem to hate Hillary. According to some polls, anywhere from 39 to 50 percent of respondents claim they’d vote against her no matter what; her “negatives” continue to be high. Many of these are Republicans and men. But many are not. According to a Harris poll in March, 52 percent of married women said they would not vote for her. Nearly half of adults say they dislike her personality and her politics. Unlike her husband, people seem to find her cold and don’t see her connecting with everyday people, and this is especially true for married women. Ironically, it is Gen Xers, those between 31 and 42, who give her the most support.

So what gives? For people like my friends and me, her hawkish position on Iraq and her insistence that the U.S. maintain a military presence there even after the troops are withdrawn have been very disappointing. But it’s more than any specific position. Women don’t trust Hillary. They see her as an opportunist; many feel betrayed by her. Why?

Baby boomer women grew up with the Feminine Mystique and then came of age with the Women’s Liberation Movement. As a result, millions of us have spent our lives crafting a compromise—or a fusion—between femininity on the one hand and feminism on the other. And for many of us feminism did not mean trying to be more like men. It meant challenging patriarchy: trying to bring equity to family life, humanizing the workplace, prioritizing women’s issues in politics, and confronting the dangers of militarism and imperialism. And millions of us fought (and continue to fight) these battles wearing lipstick, skirts and a smile: the masquerade of femininity we are compelled to don.

Hillary, by contrast, seems to want to be more like a man in her demeanor and politics, makes few concessions to the social demands of femininity, and yet seems to be only a partial feminist. She seems above us, exempting herself from compromises women have to make every day, while, at the same time, leaving some of the basic tenets of feminism in the dust. We are sold out on both counts. In other words, she seems like patriarchy in sheep’s clothing.

One of progressive feminism’s biggest (and so far, failed) battles has been against the Genghis Khan principle of American politics: that our leaders must be ruthless, macho empire builders fully prepared to drop the big one if they have to and invade anytime, anywhere. When Geraldine Ferraro ran for vice president in 1984, the recurring question was whether she had the cojones to push the red button, as if that is the ultimate criterion for leading the country. And while American politics has, for years, been all about the necessity of displaying masculinity, Bush, Cheney and Rove succeeded in upping the ante after 9/11 so that the sight of John Kerry windsurfing meant he wasn’t man enough to run the country. But now, with the massive failures of this callous macho posture everywhere—a disastrous war, a deeply endangered environment and more people than ever without health insurance—millions are desperate for a new vision and a new model of leadership.

All of this frames many women’s reactions to Hillary. If she’s a feminist, how could she continue to support this war for so long? If she’s such a passionate advocate for children, women and families, how could she countenance the ongoing killing of innocent Iraqi families, and of American soldiers who are also someone’s children? If it would be so revolutionary to have a female as president, why does she feel like the same old poll-driven opportunistic politician who seems to craft her positions accordingly?

Maybe women like me are being extra hard on Hillary because she’s a woman. After all, baby boomer women couldn’t be “as good” as men in school or the workplace; we had to be better, to prove that women deserved equal opportunities. And this is part of the problem too. We don’t want the first female president to be Joe Lieberman in drag, pushing Bush-lite politics. We expect something better.

Clearly, Hillary and her advisors have calculated that for a woman to be elected in this country, she’s got to come across as just as tough as the guys. And maybe they’re right. But so far, Hillary is not getting men Maybe women like me are being extra hard on Hillary because she’s a woman. After all, baby boomer women couldn’t be “as good” as men in school or the workplace; we had to be better, to prove that women deserved equal opportunities. And this is part of the problem too. We don’t want the first female president to be Joe Lieberman in drag, pushing Bush-lite politics. We expect something better.

Clearly, Hillary and her advisors have calculated that for a woman to be elected in this country, she’s got to come across as just as tough as the guys. And maybe they’re right. But so far, Hillary is not getting men with this strategy, and women feel written off. After the dark ages of this pugnacious administration, many of us want to let the light in. We want a break with the past, optimism, and a recommitment to the government caring about and serving the needs of everyday people. We want what feminism began to fight for 40 years ago—humanizing deeply patriarchal institutions. And, ironically, we see candidates like John Edwards or Barack Obama—men—offering just that. If Hillary Clinton wants to be the first female president, then maybe, just maybe, she should actually run as a woman.

go hillary, stop the obama madness

Hillary Clinton is a Bush in sheep’s clothing.

Look at how close the Clintons and Bushes are. They are exactly the same and I have no intention of suffering through another one of their presidencies.

Obama 2008

Hillary is the best!

If Obama had been in the Senate to vote on the war, he would’ve voted “present”

OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT! HILARY SUCKS!

With her track record, no resume, no experience (read my previous post about her so called “experience”, or google “Hillary Clinton Goofs Again
A Commentary” by **** Morris, who used to be Bill Clinton’s closest advisor in the 90’s.) She is as corrupt and right winged as Bush. If she is elected to be president, she will cause worse scandal than White Water and Bill’s impeachment - that’s a promise. Her running for presidency has been a life long “personal” agenda of HIlary’s, she is doing it for “us”!!!! She is as two faced and back stabbing as any dirty politician.
Obama is the one with real dignity and integrity, and logic, to save all us!!!

Anybody who called Sen. Clinton a republican is prolly a Naderite or Green person or getting paid by Team Obama.

No TRUE Democrat would ever call another fellow dem a repug…so I guess Obama is NOT a uniter and Hillary Clinton represent the core of the democratic base.

GO Hillary #44

Hillary: stop whining. You are losing. The people have voted. Enough! And you need to lose like 20 pounds and be way hotter to even think about being the first woman president. Guys don’t want to watch your fugness everyday just like Bill doesn’t. If Bill doesn’t want you then why should we?

Yap yap yap. Who wants to hear that annoying noise for 8 years. Hillary is the most hated woman in politics. Even Democrats can’t stand her. Polls show she will lose against McCain.

of course she’s a republicain she approved GWBush policy more than one times,she criticized her”fellow democrat”J kerry in 2004 just for her personal ambitions and she’s in fact friend with the Bushes even Bush sr told that he would love to have her as his daughter
I prefer even GWBush or mccain like them or not at least they assume their convictions

Since when did SNL become a political tool of the Clinton machine. I always thought SNL was fair and impartial. I have been greatly disappointed in SNL allowing Hillary Clinton to use her distortions of Barrack Obama on your show to gain political advantage.