Brad Pitt & Barack Obama are Related

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and perez got the star scoop!lolz

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Orchid @ 03/29/2008 at 9:49 pm

You are right of course, I can always spoil my vote. And it would be something I would do to register a protest against someone.

I used the word petulant quite delibrately, because that is what arora sounded to me. Was it judgemental of me. Yes.

however, it seemed to me it is petulant to say as arora had done that if hilary doesn’t get in then she doesn’t care who gets in. How can you not care what happens to your own country? How can you not care whether it is obama or mccain who leads your own country for the next 4 years. And given that most presidents carry on for a second term, how can you not care what happens to you and your nation for the next 8 years. If that’s not petulant, what is??

obama-THE CHANGE FOR YOUR FUTURE! what is that crap!? hes a pure muslim its so obvious he has NO experience and hes ugly!

610 lylian @ 03/29/2008 at 10:28 pm Orchid @ 03/29/2008 at 9:49 pm

You are right of course, I can always spoil my vote. And it would be something I would do to register a protest against someone.
Yup, a percentage of people do that every election.

I used the word petulant quite delibrately, because that is what arora sounded to me. Was it judgemental of me. Yes.
However, it seemed to me it is petulant to say as arora had done that if hilary doesn’t get in then she doesn’t care who gets in.
Of course you can use any word you want. It’s just my opinion that it sounds rather patronizing when used to a grownup. Arora is of voting age. What I’m trying to say is that when talking to a minor or an adult, you can say the very same thing using different words.
This is nothing. We just agree to disagree.

How can you not care what happens to your own country?
There ARE people who don’t, and if somebody doesn’t want to vote in one election, it doesn’t mean she will not vote in the next election. It doesn’t mean she will never vote.

How can you not care whether it is obama or mccain who leads your own country for the next 4 years.
People are not all like you. Since voting in the US is not compulsory, every election there are people who stay home. There must be people who never vote.
This election is an unusual one. The first woman and first African American so close to the WH, and the possibility of McCain getting it! He is much better than Bush, imo.

And given that most presidents carry on for a second term, how can you not care what happens to you and your nation for the next 8 years. If that’s not petulant, what is??
Because emotions run high in this election, some upset Hillary supporters will cross over to McCain, if Obama is the candidate, and the other way around, and others stay home. I can understand it! People are different, lylian. You must be a cool cat! Pragmatic too. :smile:

612 trina @ 03/29/2008 at 11:42 pm obama-THE CHANGE FOR YOUR FUTURE! what is that crap!? hes a pure muslim its so obvious he has NO experience and hes ugly!
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trina, trina, trina! Some posters will fiercely disagree with you because they think he is handsome, with a sexy voice and has always been a Christian.

I have often wondered, “Yes, we can”…….what? We can what? Also, what change? All rather vague.
He should explain, what and how, but I heard on TV that some people get all excited when they’re in the same room with him, and get goosebumps and cry when he speaks, which is why I said, he would make a GREAT preacher. I think he can read the telephone directory and they would love it.

And Texas has more people than a lot of other states. But she came out of Texas without putting a dent to his lead. She winning Texas with all those people - still gave him more delegates and he won the Caucus. So see it is not the size of the state but what the state can do with its size. Size does not matter. Votes do. Obama ‘08!

It IS truly disturbing that despite Hillary’s win in Texas, the caucuses gave more delegates to Obama. THAT is a perfect example of overriding the will of the people. It is disgraceful that Hillary did not come awa from Texas with the most delegates. How does anyone who believes in honoring the will of the electorate justify that?

The fact remains that Obama leads by easily overcome numbers. The difference in popular vote is less than 1%. The difference in delegates was a mere 130 out of 3100 delegates before Texas. Even after Texas, it is still a small lead.

The fact also remains that Obama cannot win the required number of delegates to win the nomination without the superdelegates. Neither can Hillary. So in the end this nomination goes down to the wire. It goes down to the convention. And please remember that delegates are not sworn in stone. They can change votes at the convention. That goes for all delegates.

I am tired and disgusted by the way Obama has run his campaign. It has been rife with race baiting starting before the South Carolina primary when Obama campaign heavyweights started falsely accusing both Clintons of making racist statments when they did nothing of the sort. When they started twisting Clinton statements completely devoid of any racial meaning all of a sudden into racist comments. Please. Bill Clinton saying Obama’s record of opposition to the war as a fairy tale was an accurate statement and somehow the words “fairy tale” became racist. How can people be so gullible as to even think that?

Obama knew exactly what these kind of charges would do to Hillary’s previously substantial support in the African American community. Support that was hard earned by her many, many years since the early 1970s fighting for the rights of and prorgrams that support minorities and women and children. Hillary has been working with organizations like the Childrens Defense Fund and the UN among other groups for over 30 years.

The Obama campaign knew that it had to spirit away the African American support both the Clintons worked for and earned. What better way than to falsely smear them with racist accusations? During his entire so called seminal speech on race did Obama ever tke the time to say what he knows is the truth: that neither Hillary nor Bill Clinton are racists? Did he take the opportunity to correct the lies that his campaign has been spreading through leaked memos and statemtns that the Clintons, in fact, have spent their entire careers and lives fighting racism. In this speech did he bother to tlak about the discrimination that other groups in this country suffer? Did he even throw a bone to the majority “minority” in this country - WOMEN - who have suffered discrimination through the history of the world? Did he say he was disgusted at the use of words b!tch, cvnt, etc to describe Hillary? No. He blew this opportunity to embrace and acknowledge the discrimination felt by many people in this country.

FACT: Obama was not in the US Senate when the Iraq war vote was first taken. With his history I have never believed that he would have stood up and voted any differently from Hillary Clinton. What in Obama’s history shows any evidence that he is a man who takes maverick positions? If anything, he has a long history of NOT VOTIN and VOTING PRESENT so he does NOT have to take a stand one way or the other.

FACT: Once Obama was in the US Senate, he certainly cast enough votes FOR the war. In fact, his record on the war is the same as Hillary.

FACT: The voters in Florida and Michigan have remain disenfranchised for the simple reason that Obama has done everything in his power to keep them disenfranchised. He spent huge amounts of money hiring lawyers to keep the Michigan revote from happening. His peopel are fighting like a death match to keep Florida, which had a fair and equitable primary election, from counting.

Obama knows that Hillary would win Michigan BIG and that Hillary already won Florida big and that counting these two HUGE states which will play a HUGE role in the general election would give Hillary the lead in the nomination race. So instead of doing the fair and democratic thing, Obama wants to try to win the nomination in a 48 state contest - ignoring two of the most important states in in the country.

In the general election Hillary - NOT OBAMA - will win Michigan with its many electoral votes and large electorate and Hillary has a real chance of taking Florida over McCain which Obama will not do.

I have much more to say when I have more time. But Hillary Clinton will make a strong and great president. She has withstood incredible attacks on her with grace and resilience since 1992 and even before. Obama is too untried, too inexperienced, with little showing of strength of character yet to justify a vote for president.

Oops, wrong!

http://www.audacityofhypocrisy.com

Clinton Lies and Criminal History

Category:Hillarys Criminal History
Category:Hillary Clinton Lies

Over the years Hillary has been implicated in many different criminal actions. The most recent is the illegal handling of 1.6 million dollars that was donated by Peter F Paul in Hillary’s 2000 Senatorial Campaign.
Cattle Futures & Conflicts of Interest

In 1979, Hillary Clinton’s trades in cattle futures contracts generated criticism regarding conflict of interest and allegations of disguised bribery. Her initial $1,000 investment generated $100,000 when she stopped trading ten months later. Furthermore, in his book Devil Take The Hindmost : A History Of Financial Speculation, Edward Chancellor noted that Clinton made her money by betting “on the short side at a time when cattle prices doubled.” Marshall Magazine, a publication of the Marshall School of Business, found that “Two-thirds of her trades showed a profit by the end of the day she made them and 80 percent were ultimately profitable.” According to the Washington Post, “[w]hile Clinton’s account was wildly successful to an outsider, it was small compared to what others were making in the cattle futures market in the 1978-79 period.” However, the Post’s comparison was of absolute profits, not necessarily percentage rate of return.

Chicago Mercantile Exchange records indicated that $40,000 of her profits came from larger trades initiated by Clinton’s lawyer and friend, James Blair, an experienced futures trader and outside counsel to Tyson Foods. According to exchange records, Robert L. “Red” Bone, the commodities broker that facilitated the trades on behalf of Ray E. Friedman and Co. (Refco), reportedly because Blair was a good client, allowed Clinton to maintain her positions even though she did not have enough money in her account to cover her activity. For example, she was allowed to order 10 cattle futures contracts, normally a $12,000 investment, in her first commodity trade in 1978 although she had only $1,000 in her account at the time. Refco was fined for violating Chicago Mercantile Exchange rules governing margin trading. Leo Melamed, a former chairman of the Mercantile Exchange who reviewed the records for the White House, said in an interview that Clinton violated no rules in the course of her transactions.
WhiteWater

The Whitewater controversy was a series of events and actions that had its origins in 1978. While in Arkansas, the Clintons were partners with Jim and Susan McDougal in a real estate venture known as the Whitewater Development Corporation. According to reports, the Clintons lost their financial investment in the Whitewater business projects. At the time the McDougals operated a savings and loan that retained Hillary Clinton’s legal services at Rose Law Firm. When the McDougals’ savings and loan failed in 1994, federal investigators subpoenaed Clinton’s legal billing records for auditing purposes. Hillary Clinton claimed to be unable to produce these records. After an extensive, two-year search, the records were found in the first lady’s book room in the White House and delivered to investigators in 1996. The delayed appearance of the billing records sparked intense interest and another investigation about how they surfaced and where they had been; Clinton attributed the problem to disorganization that resulted from her move from the Arkansas Governor’s Mansion to the White House. After the discovery of the ‘lost’ records, on January 26, 1996, Clinton made history by becoming the first First Lady to testify before a grand jury.

The Whitewater investigation was initiated by Independent Counsel Robert Fiske appointed by Attorney General Janet Reno. The case was later taken over by Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr, and concluded by Independent Counsel Robert Ray. Several other allegations were also investigated under the Whitewater umbrella. The investigations, which took place during Bill Clinton’s presidency and cost an estimated $40 million, resulted in the McDougals being jailed and Webster Hubbell pleading guilty to felony charges of lying to federal investigators about Clinton’s role in both Whitewater and the savings and loan failure. No criminal charges were brought against the Clintons themselves, as Robert Ray’s final report on September 20, 2000 stated that there was ‘insufficient evidence’ that either of them had engaged in criminal wrongdoing.
Travel office firings

On May 19, 1993, several long-time employees of the White House Travel Office were fired for alleged incompetence or illegal activities. Accusations were made that Hillary Clintonwas involved in the firings and that they were unjustified and were done in order to give the business to friends of the Clintons; she denied any role in the firings. Supporters claimed that the employees in question were officially political appointees (although they had served under Presidents of both parties) who served “at the President’s pleasure” and could be fired or reassigned at any time. The affair became known as “Travelgate”. On June 23, 2000, Whitewater Independent Counsel Robert Ray stated in a final report that while there was substantial evidence that she was involved in the firings, it could not be proved that she had deliberately lied about the matter, and so no charges would be brought.
Vince Foster

On July 20, 1993, White House Deputy Counsel Vince Foster died by suicide. The general Whitewaterinvestigation included an examination of Foster’s death and the circumstances around it. Whitewater Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr‘s investigation, as well as investigations by the Department of Justice, the FBI, and the U.S. Park Police, all concluded that Foster’s death was indeed a suicide.

In 1996 Hillary Clinton was accused by the Senate Special Whitewater Committee of ordering the removal of potentially damaging files (related to Whitewater or other matters) from Foster’s office on the night of his death.

Other critics of the Clintons have made more lurid allegations: that Foster’s death was not a suicide, that it was connected to Whitewater, and that Hillary Clinton was somehow involved by covering up activities together with Foster before his death or in that her relationship with Foster was an intimate one. Other conspiracy theories claimed that she had killed Foster herself or had him killed.
Origin of the name Hillary

During an April 1995 visit to Tibet, Hillary Clinton met New Zealand’s Sir Edmund Hillary, co-first-climber of Mount Everest. Clinton remarked that her mother, Dorothy Emma Howell Rodham, had told her that she was named after the famous climber. “It had two L’s, which is how she thought she was supposed to spell Hillary,” Clinton said at the Tibet meeting. “So when I was born, she called me Hillary, and she always told me it’s because of Sir Edmund Hillary.”

However, the Everest climb did not take place until 1953, more than five years after Clinton was born. Clinton opponents have used the discrepancy as evidence towards the charge that she is prone to fabrications. Clinton said that her mother read about beekeeper-turned-mountaineer Edmund Hillary in a publication while pregnant in 1947 and liked the name and thus used the two L’s form. Some searches of prominent U.S. publications show no publicity given to Edmund Hillary before the Everest climb, so it is unlikely that Dorothy Rodham (who has not publicly spoken about the issue) would have heard of him. Furthermore, Hillary with two L’s was not that unusual a spelling at the time. Snopes.com concluded that Hillary Clinton probably made up the naming story as “a little white lie concocted for a special occasion.” Finally, in October 2006, a spokeswoman for Senator Clinton’s re-election campaign explained that she was not in fact named after the mountain climber, stating rather that “It was a sweet family story her mother shared to inspire greatness in her daughter, to great results I might add.”
Filegate

In June 1996, White House security head Craig Livingstone improperly asked for and received several hundred FBI background files, including ones on White House personnel from former Republican administrations. It was claimed that Hillary Clinton had requested these files and that she had recommended hiring the supposedly unqualified Livingstone; she denied these charges. The affair became known as ”Filegate”.