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FIRST FIRST LADY to come under criminal investigation

FIRST FIRST LADY to almost be indicted acccording to one of the special prosecutors

NUMBER of Hillary Clinton fundraisers convicted of, or pleading no contest to, crime: 5

NUMBER OF TIMES that Hillary Clinton, providing testimony to Congress, said that she didn’t remember, didn’t know, or something similar: 250

NUMBER OF CLOSE BUSINESS partners of Hillary Clinton who ended up in prison: 3. The Clintons’ two partners in Whitewater wereconvicted of 24 counts of fraud and conspiracy. Hillary Clinton’s partner and mentor at the Rose law firm, Webster Hubbell, pleaded guilty to federal mail fraud and tax evasion charges, including defrauding former clients and former partners out of more than $480,000. Hillary Clinton was mentioned 35 times in the indictment.

IN THE 1980s, Hillary Clinton made a $44,000 profit on a $2,000 investment in a cellular phone franchise deal took advantage of the FCC’s preference for locals, minorities and women. The franchise was almost immediately flipped to the cellular giant, McCaw.

HILLARY CLINTON AND HER HUSBAND set up a resort land scam known as Whitewater in which the unwitting bought third rate property 50 miles from the nearest grocery store and, thanks to the sleazy financing, about half the purchasers, many of them seniors, lost their property.

IN 1993 HILLARY CLINTON and David Watkins moved to oust the White House travel office in favor of World Wide Travel, Clinton’s source of $1 million in fly-now-pay-later campaign trips that essentially financed the last stages of the campaign without the bother of reporting a de facto contribution. The White House fired seven long-term employees for alleged mismanagement and kickbacks. The director, Billy Dale, charged with embezzlement, was acquitted in less than two hours by the jury.

HRC’S 1994 HEALTH CARE PLAN, according to one account, included fines of up to $5,000 for refusing to join the government-mandated health plan, $5,000 for failing to pay premiums on time, 15 years to doctors who received “anything of value” in exchange for helping patients short-circuit the bureaucracy, $10,000 a day for faulty physician paperwork, $50,000 for unauthorized patient treatment, and $100,000 a day for drug companies that messed up federal filings.

TWO MONTHS after commencing the Whitewater scheme, Hillary Clinton invested $1,000 in cattle futures. Within a few days she had a $5,000 profit. Before bailing out she earns nearly $100,000 on her investment. Many years later, several economists will calculate that the chances of earning such returns legally were one in 250 million.

IN 1996, Hillary Clinton’s Rose law firm billing records, sought for two years by congressional investigators and the special prosecutor were found in the back room of the personal residence at the White House. Clinton said she had no idea how they got there.

DRUG DEALER Jorge Cabrera gave enough to the Democrats to have his picture taken with both Hillary Clinton and Al Gore. . . Cabrera was arrested in January 1996 inside a cigar warehouse near here in Dade County, where more than 500 pounds of cocaine had been hidden. He and several accomplices were charged with having smuggled 3,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States through the Keys

In 2000, Hillary Clinton’s Senate campaign returned $22,000 in soft money to a businesswoman linked to a Democratic campaign contribution from a drug smuggler in Havana.

IN AUGUST 2000, Hillary Clinton held a huge Hollywood fundraiser for her Senate campaign. It was very successful. The only problem was that, by a long shot, she didn’t report all the money contributed: $800K by the US government’s ultimate count in a settlement and $2 million according to the key contributor and convicted con Peter Paul. This is, in election law, the moral equivalent of not reporting a similar amount on your income tax. It is a form of fraud. Hillary Clinton’s defense is that she didn’t know about it

HILLARY CLINTON’S participation in a Whitewater related land deal became suspicious enough to trigger an investigation by the Arkansas Supreme Court.

IN 2007, A Pakistani immigrant who hosted fundraisers for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton became a target of the FBI allegations that he funneled illegal contributions to Clinton’s political action committee and to Sen. Barbara Boxer’s 2004 re-election campaign. Authorities say Northridge, Calif., businessman Abdul Rehman Jinnah, 56, fled the country shortly after being indicted on charges of engineering more than $50,000 in illegal donations to the Democratic committees.

HILLARY CLINTON SUPPORTED the appointment of Rudy Giuliani’s buddy, Bernie Kerick, to be Secretary of Homeland Security,. Kerick subsecquently withdrew and not long after was indicted.

AP - Democrat John Edwards said the top strategist for presidential rival Hillary Rodham Clinton [Mark Penn] has ties to the controversial Blackwater security firm, and warned against installing “a group of corporate Democrats” to replace the Bush White House. Edwards suggested similarities between Clinton, the Democratic front-runner, and the Republican president. Penn, Clinton’s pollster and senior strategist, is the worldwide president of Burson-Marsteller, a public relations firm. A subsidiary, BKSH, helped prepare Blackwater founder Erik Prince for a contentious congressional hearing this week, but Burson-Marsteller says the relationship has ended. Clinton’s spokesman, Howard Wolfson, said Penn had done no work on the Blackwater account.

KATHRYN JOYCE AND JEFF SHARLET, MOTHER JONES - Through all of her years in Washington, Clinton has been an active participant in conservative Bible study and prayer circles that are part of a secretive Capitol Hill group known as the Fellowship. Her collaborations with right-wingers such as Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) and former Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) grow in part from that connection. . . Clinton’s prayer group was part of the Fellowship (or “the Family”), a network of sex-segregated cells of political, business, and military leaders dedicated to “spiritual war” on behalf of Christ. . . [the leader's] friends include former Attorney General John Ashcroft, Reaganite Edwin Meese III, and ultraconservative Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Pa.). The Fellowship’s God-led men have also included General Suharto of Indonesia; Honduran general and death squad organizer Gustavo Alvarez Martinez; a Deutsche Bank official disgraced by financial ties to Hitler; and dictator Siad Barre of Somalia, plus a list of other generals and dictators. Clinton, says Schenck, has become a regular visitor to Coe’s Arlington, Virginia, headquarters, a former convent where Coe provides members of Congress with sex-segregated housing and spiritual guidance.

JOSHUA GREEN, THE ATLANTIC, 2006 - Clinton’s proficiency in this innermost sanctum has unnerved some of the capital’s most exalted religious conservatives. “You’re not talking about some tree-hugging, Jesus-is-my-Buddha sort of stuff,” says David Kuo, a former Bush official in the Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, who worked with Clinton to promote joint legislation and who, like Brownback, has apologized to her for past misdeeds. “These are powerful evangelicals she’s meeting with.”

MICKEY KAUS - On page 93 of the new Gerth-Van Natta Hillary Clinton book, a sentence describes how, during the ‘92 campaign, Hillary herself “listened to a secretly recorded audiotape of a phone conversation of Clinton critics plotting their next attack. The tape contained discussions of another woman who might surface with allegations about an affair with Bill. Bill’s supporters monitored frequencies used by cell phones, and the tape was made during one of those monitoring sessions.”

SUN SENTINEL, FL - U.S. Reps. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, of Weston, and Alcee Hastings, of Miramar, were appointed national campaign co-chairs on Thursday for U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton’s Democratic presidential effort. “We need a leader with a clear vision and sound judgment, who can work with a Democratic Congress to renew the promise of America. Hillary is that leader,” Wasserman Schultz said in a statement. . . WIKIPEDIA - In 1981 Judge Hastings was charged with accepting a $150,000 bribe in exchange for a lenient sentence and a return of seized assets for 21 counts of racketeering by Frank and Thomas Romano, and of perjury in his testimony about the case. He was acquitted by a jury after his alleged co-conspirator, William Borders, refused to testify in court (resulting in a jail sentence for Borders).

CNS - A videotape shows New York Sen. Hillary Clinton. . . should be admitted as new evidence in a California civil case, a forthcoming legal brief to be filed by argues. The tape shows Clinton speaking in 2000 with Peter Paul, a Hollywood mogul, and comic book icon Stan Lee about a massive fundraising event for her 2000 Senate race. Paul spent about $2 million of his own money to produce the event. The legal contribution limit to a candidate then was $2,000. . . A portion of the videotape captures the closing words of a lengthy conversation in which Paul was present. The voice of Hillary Clinton is heard telling Lee that Paul and her chief campaign aide “talk all the time, so she’ll be the person to convey whatever I need.” She is then heard adding, “I wanted to call and personally thank all of you … [and] tell you how much this means to me. It’s going to mean a lot to the president, too.” Clinton and her supporters have maintained that she had no direct knowledge that the event violated campaign finance rules. In a written declaration for the California court filed on April 7, 2006, the senator said only that she didn’t remember discussions with Paul about the fundraiser.

**** MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN, NEWSMAX - Since he left office in 2001, former president Bill Clinton has been paid by $3.3 million by Info USA, an Omaha, Nebraska company that has been identified as a key provider of specially designed databases that have been sold to criminals who use the detailed information to defraud the unsuspecting elderly. . . According to the New York Times, Info USA compiled and sold lists that disclosed the names of elderly men and women who would be likely to respond to unscrupulous scams. The lists left no doubt about the vulnerability of the elderly targets. The Times reported, for example, that Info USA advertised lists of “Elderly Opportunity Seekers,” 3.3 million older people “looking for ways to make money,” and “Suffering Seniors,” 4.7 million people with cancer or Alzheimer’s disease. “Oldies but Goodies” contained 500,000 gamblers over 55 years old, for 8.5 cents

MIKE McINTIRE, NY TIMES - When former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton took a family vacation in January 2002 to Acapulco, Mexico, one of their longtime supporters, Vinod Gupta, provided his company’s private jet to fly them there. The company, Info USA, one of the nation’s largest brokers of information on consumers, paid $146,866 to ferry the Clintons, Mr. Gupta and others to Acapulco and back, court records show. During the next four years, Info USA paid Mr. Clinton more than $2 million for consulting services, and spent almost $900,000 to fly him around the world for his presidential foundation work and to fly Mrs. Clinton to campaign events. Those expenses are cited in a lawsuit filed late last year in a Delaware court by angry shareholders of Info USA, who assert that Mr. Gupta wasted the company’s money trying “to ingratiate himself” with his high-profile guests”t

SAM SMITH, ‘SHADOWS OF HOPE,’ 1994 - During the first months of the Clinton administration, one of the biggest national policy changes of the past fifty years was being forged by a secret committee led by Mrs. Clinton under procedures that periodically defied the courts and the Government Accounting Office . . , Despite the contrary evidence of public opinion polls, the concept of Canadian-style single-payer insurance was dismissed early. Tom Hamburger and Ted Marmor in the Washington Monthly tell of a single-payer proponent being invited to the White House in February 1993. It was, he said, a “pseudo-consultation;” the doctor was quickly informed that “single payer is not politically feasible.” When Dr. David Himmelstein of the Harvard Medical School pressed Mrs. Clinton on single payer, she replied, “Tell me something interesting, David.” In other words, write Hamburger and Marmor: “Fewer than six weeks into the Clinton presidency, the White House had made its key policy decision: Before the Health Care Task Force wrote a single page of its 22-volume report to the President, the single payer idea was written off, and “managed competition” was in.”. . . Reported Thomas Bodenehimer in Nation: “Around Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health reform table sit the managed-competition winners: big business, hospitals, large (but not small) commercial insurers, the Blues, budget-worried government leaders and the ‘Jackson Hole Group,’ the chief intellectual honchos of the managed competition movement. . . Adherence to the mantra of managed competition appears to be the price of a ticket of admission to this gathering. ”

LA TIMES - A Pakistani immigrant who hosted fundraisers for Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is being sought by the FBI on allegations that he funneled illegal contributions to Clinton’s political action committee and to Sen. Barbara Boxer’s 2004 re-election campaign. Authorities say Northridge, Calif., businessman Abdul Rehman Jinnah, 56, fled the country shortly after being indicted on charges of engineering more than $50,000 in illegal donations to the Democratic committees. A business associate charged as Jinnah’s co-conspirator has entered a guilty plea and is scheduled to be sentenced in Los Angeles next week. A federal law enforcement source said prosecutors had not dealt with the political committees in conducting their investigation and had no evidence that the committees knew the contributions were illegal.

**** MORRIS AND EILEEN MCGANN, JEWISH WORLD REVIEW - With each new disclosure, Bill and Hillary Clinton’s connection between the emir of Dubai, Sheik Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum, seems ever more intimate. Last February, Sen. Clinton was out front in condemning DP World, a Dubai government-owned company seeking to take over key operations at American ports. But, at the same time, Bill was advising the emir to hire his former press secretary, Joe Lockhart, to get the deal approved. Back then, Lockhart denied working for the emir. And when Bill’s role became public, Hillary claimed that she had no idea that he had any involvement in the DP World issue. Now, it turns out that the emir’s Dubai International Capital Corp. hired Lockhart’s company, Glover Park Group, by last April to help with another U.S. deal - a takeover of two defense firms. The relationship between the Clintons and the emir has long been too close to avoid scrutiny. Something is driving up Bill and Hillary’s net worth pretty dramatically. In 2003, Sen. Clinton disclosed assets of at least $352,000 but less than $3.8 million. By 2005, she was declaring assets in the $10 million to $50 million range. . .

WALL STREET JOURNAL - The core of [HRC'S] team includes several staunch loyalists from her husband’s time in power, including former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, former United Nations ambassador Richard Holbrooke, and Samuel “Sandy” Berger, who succeeded Mr. Lake as national security adviser during Mr. Clinton’s second term. . . WIKIPEDIA - In April 2005, Berger plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material from the National Archives in Washington. According to the lead prosecutor in the case Berger only took copies of classified information and that no original material was destroyed, however there is notable controversy and speculation that he might have removed or destroyed originals of other unknown documents as well.

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HILLARY CLINTON HEAVY INTO RIGHTWING RELIGIOUS POWER CULT

HILLARY CLINTON’S RIGHTWING RECORD ON INTERNATIONAL LAW

STEPHEN ZUNES, FOREIGN POLICY IN FOCUS - Senator Hillary Clinton has opposed restrictions on U.S. arms transfers and police training to governments that engage in gross and systematic human rights abuses. Indeed, she has supported unconditional U.S. arms transfers and police training to such repressive and autocratic governments as Egypt, Morocco, Saudi Arabia, Oman, Pakistan, Equatorial Guinea, Azerbaijan, Cameroon, Kazakhstan, and Chad, just to name a few. She has also refused to join many of her Democratic colleagues in signing a letter endorsing a treaty that would limit arms transfers to countries that engage in a consistent pattern of gross and systematic human rights violations.
Civilian Casualties

Not only is she willing to support military assistance to repressive regimes, she has little concern about controlling weapons that primarily target innocent civilians. Senator Clinton has refused to support the international treaty to ban land mines, which are responsible for killing and maiming thousands of civilians worldwide, a disproportionate percentage of whom have been children.

She was also among a minority of Democratic Senators to side with the Republican majority last year in voting down a Democratic-sponsored resolution restricting U.S. exports of cluster bombs to countries that use them against civilian-populated areas. Each of these cluster bomb contains hundreds of bomblets that are scattered over an area the size of up to four football fields and, with a failure rate of up to 30%, become de facto land mines. As many as 98% of the casualties caused by these weapons are civilians.

Senator Clinton also has a record of dismissing reports by human rights monitors that highlight large-scale attacks against civilians by allied governments. For example, in the face of widespread criticism by reputable human rights organizations over Israel’s systematic assaults against civilian targets in its April 2002 offensive in the West Bank, Senator Clinton co-sponsored a resolution defending the Israeli actions that claimed that they were “necessary steps to provide security to its people by dismantling the terrorist infrastructure in the Palestinian areas.” She opposed UN efforts to investigate alleged war crimes by Israeli occupation forces and criticized President Bush for calling on Israel to pull back from its violent re-conquest of Palestinian cities in violation of UN Security Council resolutions.

Similarly, when Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and other reputable human rights groups issued detailed reports regarding Israeli war crimes during that country’s assault on Lebanon in the summer of 2006, Senator Clinton insisted they were wrong and that Israel’s attacks were legal. Furthermore, though these groups had also criticized the radical Lebanese group Hezbollah for committing war crimes by firing rockets into civilian-populated areas in Israel, exhaustive investigations have revealed absolutely no evidence that they had used the civilian population as “human shields” to protect themselves from Israeli assaults. Despite this, Senator Clinton, without providing any credible evidence to the contrary, still insists that they in fact had used human shields and were therefore responsible for the death of more than 800 Lebanese civilians.

Senator Clinton has voted to send tens of billions of dollars unconditionally to Baghdad to prop up that regime, apparently unconcerned about the well-documented reports of death squads being run from the Interior Ministry that have killed many thousands of unarmed Sunni men.

In Senator Clinton’s world view, if a country is considered an important strategic ally of the United States, any charges of human rights abuses – no matter how strong the evidence – must be summarily dismissed. Indeed, despite the Israeli government’s widespread and well-documented violations of international humanitarian law, Senator Clinton has praised Israel for its “values that respect the dignity and rights of human beings.”

IT’S COST THE TAXPAYERS $2.3 BILLION TO KEEP HILLARY IN THE SENATE

LA TIMES - To fuel her rise, Clinton has relied on the controversial funding device known as “earmarking.” The earmarks enabled her to win favor with important constituents, many of whom provided financial support for her campaigns. . . Since taking office in 2001, Clinton has delivered $500 million worth of earmarks that have specifically benefited 59 corporations. About 64% of those corporations provided funds to her campaigns through donations made by employees, executives, board members or lobbyists, a review by the Los Angeles Times shows.

All told, Clinton has earmarked more than $2.3 billion in federal appropriations for projects in her state since her election to the Senate, much of it for public works projects funded in conjunction with fellow Democratic Sen. Charles E. Schumer and others in the New York congressional delegation.

CATALOG OF HILLARY CLINTON’S LIES

STUART TAYLOR JR, NATIONAL JOURNAL - Let’s take a trip down memory lane — from the tawdriness of the 1992 presidential campaign through the mendacity of the ensuing years — to revisit a sampling of why so many of us came to think that Hillary’s first instinct when in an embarrassing spot is to lie.

Gennifer and Monica: Former lounge singer Gennifer Flowers surfaced in early 1992 with claims — corroborated by tapes of phone calls — that she had had a long affair with then-Arkansas Gov. Bill Clinton, who had arranged a state job for her. Bill Clinton told the media, falsely, that the woman’s “story is untrue.”

Although well aware of her husband’s philandering history, Hillary backed his squishy denials, famously asserting on “60 Minutes” that she was not “some little woman standing by her man like Tammy Wynette.” More deceptively, she suggested to ABC’s Sam Donaldson that Bill’s contacts with Flowers were just an example of how he loved to “help people who are in trouble” and “listen to their problems.”

“Hillary’s words uncannily foreshadowed her insistence six years later to … a White House aide that Bill had ‘ministered’ to [Monica] Lewinsky because she was a troubled young woman,” Sally Bedell Smith writes in her fine new book about the Clintons, For Love of Politics. Hillary has continued to insist that she believed what she said about Lewinsky. But friends and former aides have told Smith and others that she knew her husband was lying all along.

Travelgate: The first Clinton scandal after Bill became president started in May 1993, when Chief of Staff Mack McLarty fired the seven employees in the White House office that arranges travel for the press corps. The White House cited gross financial mismanagement. (The charge was never substantiated.) The sudden firings created a media uproar, especially when the dismissed employees were quickly replaced by friends and relatives of the Clintons.

Hillary later told the General Accounting Office, in a document prepared by her attorney, that she had no role in the decision to fire the employees, did not know the “origin of the decision,” and “did not direct that any action be taken by anyone” other than keeping her informed.

But her statements were contradicted by evidence, including a long-concealed memo to McLarty and a written chronology prepared by White House aide David Watkins that came to light years later. Hillary, Watkins wrote, had said that “we need those people out and we need our people in” and had made it clear that “there would be hell to pay” unless she got “immediate action.” Another aide wrote that Hillary intimate Susan Thomases had said, “Hillary wants these people fired.”

While saying that no provable crime had been committed, Robert Ray, who had succeeded Kenneth Starr as independent counsel, reported in October 2000 that Hillary’s statements had been “factually false” and that there was “overwhelming evidence that she in fact did have a role in the decision to fire the employees.”

Cattle futures: The New York Times revealed in March 1994 that in 1978, just before her husband became governor, Hillary had made a $100,000 profit on a $1,000 investment in highly speculative cattle-futures contracts in only nine months. Hillary’s first explanation (through aides) of this extraordinary windfall was that she had made the investment after “reading The Wall Street Journal” and placed all the trades herself after seeking advice from “numerous people.” It was so preposterous that she soon had to abandon it. Eventually, she had to admit that longtime Clinton friend James Blair had executed 30 of her 32 trades directly with an Arkansas broker.

In an April 1994 press conference, Hillary denied knowing of “any favorable treatment” by Blair. But the astronomical odds against any financial novice making a 10,000 percent profit without the game being rigged led many to believe that Blair, the outside counsel to Arkansas-based poultry giant Tyson Foods, must have put only profitable trades in Hillary’s account and absorbed her losses. The heavily regulated Tyson needed friends in high places, and Bill Clinton helped it pass a 1983 state law raising weight limits on chicken trucks.

Removal of Vince Foster documents: During the same press conference, Hillary was asked why her then-chief of staff, Maggie Williams, had been involved in removing documents from the office of Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster after his suicide. Foster had been a partner of Hillary’s at the Rose Law Firm in Little Rock, Ark. “I don’t know that she did remove any documents,” Hillary said. But it was reported three months later that Hillary had instructed Williams to remove the Foster documents to the White House residence. Then they were turned over to Clinton attorney Bob Barnett.

Castle Grande: In the summer of 1995, the Resolution Trust Corp. reported that Hillary had been one of 11 Rose Law Firm lawyers who had done work in the mid-1980s on an Arkansas real estate development, widely known as Castle Grande, promoted by James McDougal and Seth Ward. McDougal headed a troubled thrift, Madison Guaranty Savings & Loan, and had given Hillary legal business as a favor to Bill. McDougal and his wife, Susan, were the Clintons’ partners in their Whitewater real estate investment. Ward was father-in-law to Webb Hubbell, another former Rose Law Firm partner, who was briefly Clinton’s associate attorney general in 1993. Later, Hubbell went to prison for fraud, as did James McDougal.

Castle Grande was a sewer of sham transactions, some used to funnel cash into Madison Guaranty. Castle Grande’s ultimate collapse contributed to that of the thrift, which cost taxpayers millions. Hillary told federal investigators that she knew nothing about Castle Grande. When it turned out that more than 30 of her 60 hours of legal work for Madison Guaranty involved Castle Grande, she said she had known the project under a different name. A 1996 Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. report said that she had drafted documents that Castle Grande used to “deceive federal bank examiners.”

Prosecutors later came to believe that Hillary had padded her bills; she “wasn’t guilty of [knowingly] facilitating nefarious transactions — she was guilty of doing less work than she took credit for,” Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr. explain in their 2007 biography, Her Way. Hillary herself never took refuge in this explanation.

Billing records: Hillary’s billing records for Castle Grande were in a 116-page, 5-inch-thick computer printout that came to light under mysterious circumstances on January 4, 1996 — 19 months after Starr’s investigators had subpoenaed it and amid prosecutorial pressure on Clinton aides who had been strikingly forgetful. For most of that time, Hillary claimed that the billing records had vanished. But a longtime Hillary assistant named Carolyn Huber later admitted coming across the printout in August 1995 on a table in a storage area next to Hillary’s office; Huber said she had put it into a box in her own office, without realizing for five more months that these were the subpoenaed billing records.

This implausible tale, on top of other deceptions, prompted New York Times columnist William Safire to write on January 8, 1996, that “our first lady … is a congenital liar.”

The next day, the White House press secretary said that the president wanted to punch Safire in the nose for insulting his wife. Five days later, the president invited Monica Lewinsky to the Oval Office for what turned out to be one of their 10 oral-sex sessions. Two years and 13 days after that, Hillary was on the “Today” show suggesting that her husband’s Lewinsky affair was a lie concocted by “this vast right-wing conspiracy.”

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HILLARY CLINTON claims she played pickup basketball when she was young, presumably to get ready for her race against Obama. Newsmax has compiled a list of other little known facts about HRC, an obscurity some feel is due to their non-existence:

- She was named after Sir Edmund Hillary. who climbed Mount Everest.

- She was a Yankees fan when she lived in Chicago.

- She told upstate New Yorkers she had been a “duck hunter.”

- She claimed on Sept. 11 daughter Chelsea was jogging around the World Trade Center.

HRC AND WEBSTER HUBBELL

SUSAN SCHMIDT, WASH POST, 1998 - Independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr yesterday secured a new federal indictment of Webster L. Hubbell, alleging that the former top Justice Department official lied to Congress and federal banking regulators to conceal work that he, Hillary Rodham Clinton and their law firm did in the mid-1980s for a rogue savings and loan.

The 15-count indictment alleges that Hubbell covered up the Rose Law Firm’s involvement in a phony multimillion-dollar land deal that caused losses big enough to bankrupt Madison Guaranty S&L, the thrift owned by the late James B. McDougal, the Clintons’ Whitewater business partner. Hillary Clinton’s legal work for Madison in the mid-1980s is referred to throughout the indictment but she is accused of no wrongdoing. . .

Hubbell pleaded guilty in 1994 to charges lodged by the independent counsel that he bilked Rose Law Firm clients and partners. . .

The independent counsel lodged no Whitewater charges in his impeachment report to Congress on President Clinton and closed down his Arkansas office months ago without bringing charges against Hillary Clinton. The Hubbell indictment was issued by a grand jury here. . .

While Hillary Clinton’s name is not mentioned in the indictment, her actions are described, albeit obliquely. She is mentioned some 35 times throughout the indictment, but only as Rose’s “1985-86 billing partner” for the Madison account. The document describes some of her work on Madison’s ill-fated Castle Grande project, an 1,100-acre industrial and trailer park development south of Little Rock.

Some of the loans that the accountants were blamed for allowing Madison to make were Castle Grande transactions that Hillary Clinton and Hubbell worked on for his father-in-law, Seth Ward. The indictment charges that Hubbell falsely told regulators and Congress he did no work on Castle Grande matters and was not aware of what work Rose did for Madison.

The indictment contends that Hillary Clinton prepared a real estate option agreement used by Madison officials to deceive federal regulators about hundreds of thousands of dollars in bogus real estate commissions that were being paid to Ward. While charging there was a scheme to hide the commissions and the tottering condition of the thrift, the indictment makes no allegation that Hillary Clinton knew anything about it. . .

Starr also has been investigating payments of more than $700,000 in consulting fees to Hubbell from Clinton allies and Democratic Party supporters after he left the Justice Department in the spring of 1994 amid allegations he defrauded his former firm and clients.

LYING FOR HILLARY

One of the issues that came up in a lengthy suit (American Physicians and Surgeons, Inc, et al. v. Hillary Rodham Clinton, et al.) was whether White House aide Ira Magaziner, speaking on behalf of Hillary Clinton’s health task force, told the truth when he claimed that only federal employees were members of the group. This was found to be false and Judge Royce Lamberth issued an opinion, part of which follows:

“[I]t is clear that the decisions here were made at the highest levels of government, and that the government itself is–and should be–accountable when its officials run amok. . . The court agrees with plaintiffs that these were not reckless and inept errors taken by bewildered counsel. The Executive Branch of the government, working in tandem, was dishonest with this court. . . .

“The Department of Justice has a long tradition of setting the highest standards of conduct for all lawyers, and it is a sad day when this court must conclude, as did the United States Attorney in his investigation, that the Department of Justice succumbed to pressure from White House attorneys and others to provide this court with “strained interpretations” that were “ultimately unconvincing.”

“It seems that some government officials never learn that the cover-up can be worse than the underlying conduct. Most shocking to this court, and deeply disappointing, is that the Department of Justice would participate in such conduct. This was not an issue of good faith word games being played with the Court. . . . The United States Attorney found that the most controversial sentence of the Magaziner declaration–”Only federal government employees serve as members of the interdepartmental working group”–could not be prosecuted under the perjury statute because the issue of “membership” within the working group was a fuzzy one, and no generally agreed upon “membership” criteria were ever written down. Therefore, the Magaziner declaration was actually false because of the implication of the declaration that “membership” was a meaningful concept and that one could determine who was and was not a “member” of the working group. . . ”

PROGRESSIVE REVIEW, 1997 - It was just symbolic and, in the end, the money comes out of our pockets but at least one judge has called the White House for lying, assessing a fine of over a quarter of a million dollars. As the above excerpt from Judge Lamberth’s opinion indicates, this was no minor peccadillo but rather, “The Executive Branch of the government, working in tandem, was dishonest with this court.” At issue was the composition of Hillary Clinton’s health task force, a body stacked with those from the medical industry who would gain most from the faux reforms of the Clintonistas.

You might think a federal judge calling one of Mrs. Clinton’s top aides a liar would be big news, but the Washington Post found room on its front page for “Seniors Strut Their Stuff in Pool Pageant” while burying the health care story on page 21 under a boring headline. That was nine pages better than the New York Times, which ran the story under “Judge Rules Government Covered Up Lies on Panel,” hardly descriptive of the story’s significance.

ATTORNEY CLINTON

During the 1992 campaign, Hillary Clinton defended her role in the Madison Guarantee S&L scandal by saying, “I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had teas. But what I decided to do was pursue my profession, which I entered before my husband was in public life.”

Forgotten, however, is what inspired this homily: accusations that Ms. Clinton had represented Whitewater business partner Jim McDougal’s S&L before her husband’s government. Here’s what the New York Times reported on March 17, 1992: “Hillary Clinton said today that she did not earn ‘a penny’ from state business conducted by her Little Rock law firm and that she never intervened with state regulators on behalf of a failed Arkansas savings and loan association. . . ”

Records would show that she did, in fact, represent Madison before the state securities department. After the revelation, she says, “For goodness sakes, you can’t be a lawyer if you don’t represent banks.”

Susan McDougal recalled Ms. Clinton coming in and drumming up the business. Ms. McDougal told the Washington Post: “The problem was finances, her finances.” The Washington Times quoted an unnamed Clinton business associate who claimed the governor used to “jog over to McDougal’s office about once a month to pick up the [retainer] check for his wife.”

Jim McDougal’s version of the story, according to the LA Times, was that Clinton asked him to throw some legal work his wife’s way to help the Clintons out of a financial crunch: “I hired Hillary because Bill came in whimpering that they needed help.”

Hillary Clinton wrote Jim McDougal enclosing a power of attorney for him to sign “authorizing me to act on your behalf with respect to matters concerning Whitewater Development Corporation.” Another power of attorney was enclosed for Susan McDougal. The power of attorney included the right to endorse, sign and execute “checks, notes, deeds, agreements, certificates, receipts or any other instruments in writing of all matters related to Whitewater Development Corporation.”

This letter, uncovered in 1993 by Jerry Seper of the Washington Times, directly contradicted the claim of the Clintons that they were “passive shareholders” in Whitewater.

From a 1996 Chicago Tribune editorial: “The legal issues will sort themselves out in time. But one thing has become all too clear. Bill and Hillary Clinton and their aides have made a concerted effort to deceive official investigators and the American public with half truths and outright lies . . . It’s not clear what the Clintons want to conceal, but it’s clear that they have made extraordinary efforts to do so.”

WHITEWATER

WHAT WHITEWATER WAS ALL ABOUT: Almost totally lost in the Clinton saga known as Whitewater is what Whitewater was originally all about. It was basically a land resort scam of the sort that local TV stations win awards for exposing. Here’s how it happened:

In the late 1970s, the Clintons and McDougals buy land in the Ozarks with mostly borrowed funds. The Clintons get 50% interest with no cash down. The plot, known as Whitewater, is fifty miles from the nearest grocery store. The Washington Post will report later that some purchasers of lots, many of them retirees, “put up houses or cabins, others slept in vans or tents, hoping to be able to live off the land.” HRC writes Jim McDougal, said that “If Reagonomics works at all, Whitewater could become the Western Hemisphere’s Mecca.” More than half of the purchasers will lose their plots thanks to the sleazy form of financing used. The McDougals will be among a number of close HRC’s friends and business associates who will end up in jail..

HRC AND ETHNIC SLURS

Virtually no attention has been given to Hillary’s Clinton’s reported anti-Jewish statements. This is another example of the impenetrable media bubble placed around HRC since her husband first ran for president.

There have been a few exceptions. For example, in August 2000, the NY Post reported:

“The Arkansas man who accused Hillary Rodham Clinton last month of uttering an anti-Semitic slur in 1974 has passed a lie-detector test arranged by The Post. Paul Fray, who has charged Mrs. Clinton called him a “f- - -ing Jew *******” after Bill Clinton lost his race for Congress, cleared the polygraph exam administered Sunday near his home here. “There’s no doubt in my mind that Mr. Fray is truthful,” concluded state-licensed Arkansas polygrapher Jeff Hubanks, who gave the three-hour test. . . The findings were reviewed yesterday by another expert, Richard Keifer, a former head of the FBI’s polygraph unit who has 20 years of experience. Keifer judged the results “inconclusive” because they didn’t meet the high federal polygraph standards - but said he found nothing to indicate Fray was lying. Clinton campaign spokesman Howard Wolfson said, “Paul Fray is an admitted liar, and we’re not going to be responding to his lies anymore.”

That same year former Arkansas state trooper Larry Patterson claimed that in their frequent arguments, Bill and Hillary Clinton would use such expressions as “Jew motherf*cker,” “Jew Boy” and “Jew *******.”

That same year, the Review discussed the issue of how the media handles these matters:

PROGRESSIVE REVIEW, 2000 - The kid gloves treatment of Hillary Clinton’s alleged ethnic slurs is, of course, in marked contrast to the media handling of, say, John Rocker, Louis Farrakhan or Jesse Jackson. But she is not the only one who has been give a pass. A reader sends along a 1997 issue of the Progressive with an article by Susan Douglas that includes this:

“As ABC News reminded us over and over, the lesson from Tiger Woods’s victory is ‘that anyone can make it to the top.’ Woods was immediately canonized by every news outlet in the land as a breakthrough, trans-racial saint, an agent of integration and goodwill. The newscasters genuflected. Once again, the future of western civilization was freighted onto the shoulders of the latest guy who can throw/hit/kick a ball. The media pilloried pro-golfer Fuzzy Zoeller for making racist remarks about fried chicken and collard greens. But they have virtually ignored Woods’s own racist, sexist, and homophobic remarks.

“In the April issue of GQ, Woods speculated that ‘good-looking women hang around baseball and basketball’ because ‘black guys have big dicks.’ And he asks: Why do lesbians always get to their destination so quickly? He answers: ‘Because lesbians are always going sixty-nine.’ This doesn’t fit into the pack journalism “new-messiah” image, now does it? So just let it slide.”

But the current masters of applying multiple standards to matters claimed to be worthy of zero tolerance may well be the Blair government. Not only was Tony Blair’s campaign to end under-aged drinking in bars celebrated by his son turning up dead drunk on a London sidewalk, but Home Secretary Jack Straw, riding in a car driven by a special branch officer, was pulled over for doing 103 mph on a motorway. The incident occurred at 8:55 am as Straw was rushing to a meeting with Blair, perhaps to discuss new measures to make the British behave. Straw, hit man for Blair’s zero tolerance policies, also has a son who got into trouble with the police after selling ten pounds (sterling) of marijuana to an undercover reporter.

Whatever the facts of the matter, the accusation in a new book that Hillary Clinton called one of her staffers a “Jew *******” in 1974 adds a significant new problem to her already troubled effort. Clinton flatly denied the incident ever happened and quoted her husband as saying, “I was there on election night in 1974 and this charge is simply not true.”

The campaign also produced a 1997 handwritten letter from the man allegedly excoriated, Paul Fray, to Hillary Clinton in which he says, “I have wronged you. I ask for your forgiveness because I did say things against you, and called you names, not only to your face — but behind your back . . . names that are unmentionable.” The circumstances under which Fray allegedly wrote the letter are not clear but the document is reminiscent of the affidavits signed by various women denying being sexually involved with Clinton’s husband. The Clintons have the largest collection of affidavits and letters attesting to alleged non-events to be found in contemporary politics.

Fray’s comments, quoted in Jerry Oppenheimer’s new book, “State of a Union,” have been verified not only by his wife but by another Clinton aide at the time, Neill McDonald.

According to Michael Kramer in the NY Daily News:

“The slur allegedly was uttered at a heated, finger-pointing session at Bill Clinton’s Fayetteville, Ark., campaign headquarters on election night in 1974, following his defeat in his first try for political office, a run for Congress in Arkansas’ 3rd Congressional District. In the room that night were Bill Clinton; his then-girlfriend, Hillary Rodham; Paul Fray, Clinton’s campaign manager, and Fray’s wife, Mary Lee. Another campaign worker, Neill McDonald, was just outside the door and says he heard everything. The story of that encounter has been widely reported before, but without any charge that Hillary Rodham ripped into Paul Fray using an anti-Semitic slur. In interviews with The News on Friday and Saturday, the Frays and McDonald all confirmed that Hillary uttered the slur. McDonald said Hillary was speaking in the “heat of battle” and that he doesn’t believe she is an anti-Semite. McDonald added that he is and has always been a supporter of the Clintons.”. . .

**** Morris has joined the fracas, repeating his previous claims that on one occasion HR Clinton said to him, “Money, that’s all you people care about is money.” Morris says he responded, “By money, Hillary, by you people, I assume you mean political consultants?” And she said, ‘Oh yes, of course that’s what I mean.’ But it wasn’t what I thought she meant.”

The president had risen to HR Clinton’s defense but his credentials are more than a little suspect ever since the tapes of his conversations with Gennifer Flowers, which included this Flowers comment on Mario Cuomo: “Well, he seems like he could get real mean . . . I wouldn’t be surprised if he didn’t have some mafioso major connections.” And Clinton replies, “Well, he acts like one.”

And then there’s that police sting video of Roger Clinton saying he has to get some cocaine for his brother who has a nose like a vacumn cleaner, in which Roger makes free use of the word ******, a term trooper Patterson says he also heard from WJ Clinton when talking about Jesse Jackson and prominent Little Rock black figure, Robert ‘Say’ McIntosh.

CATTLE FUTURES

TWO MONTHS after commencing the Whitewater scheme, Hillary Clinton invested $1,000 in cattle futures. Within a few days she has a $5,000 profit. Before bailing out she earns nearly $100,000 on her investment. Many years later, several economists will calculate that the chances of earning such returns legally were one in 250 million.

AGBIZ TILLER - Mrs. Clinton’s ability to turn $1000 into a near $100,000 in ten months of futures trading, a congressional study would learn, coincided with a period of time that a select group of executives from packing houses, grain companies, feedlot operators and commodity brokers reaped tens of millions of dollars in an “insider” trading scheme in the cattle futures market. . . Between February, 1978 and April, 1979 some 32 cattle industry insiders made profits of $110 million by selling cattle futures after they received some 15 “secret signals,” which was followed within an average two and one half day period, by a marked drop in cattle future prices. Then Rep. Neal Smith (Dem.-Iowa), chairman of the House Small Business Committee, which released the report in February, 1981 noted that in all a total of some 1027 individuals made total net profits of approximately $156 million. Thus, three percent of the large traders — those with 50 contracts or more — with correlated trading activity and/or common business affiliations accounted for 70% of the total net profits of this group of traders. Mrs. Clinton traded 50 or more contracts three times . . .

A previous USDA study in 1979, for example, pointed out that during 20 of the 21 months preceding October, 1979 there was not a single day in which a farmer-feeder could have used the futures market to hedge in a profit and only five days in the remaining month that the farmer-feeder could have broken even . . . Meanwhile, the eight largest packers, who at the time were slaughtering 44% of the nation’s beef, held over one-half of the futures contracts and made twice as much money in the futures market as they did in trading cattle . . . In all, between February, 1978 and December, 1980, some 29 “secret signals” were given although Smith’s Committee staff made no estimates on the profits earned after April, 1979 . . . There are estimates that 75% to 95% of individual investors lose money in commodity futures markets.

WASHINGTON TIMES, 2007 - Mrs. Clinton initially explained her success by claiming to have done all her own research studying the Wall Street Journal. Then she admitted that Jim Blair, the outside counsel for Tyson Foods, advised her and placed most of her trades. Mr. Blair helped her open her trading account in mid-October 1978. That was three weeks before her husband rode to certain victory (63 percent of the vote) in his race for Arkansas governor, a position from which he would enforce the state’s environmental policies affecting chicken waste and appoint numerous regulatory officials overseeing Tyson. The odds of a retail trader executing the intraday transactions that generated a 530 percent overnight return, which Mrs. Clinton achieved on her first day, “are about the same as [the odds] of finding the Dead Sea Scrolls on the steps of the State House in Little Rock,” according to estimates by Wall Street Journal financial columnist Caroline Baum and commodities speculator Victor Niederhoffer in their devastating account of Mrs. Clinton’s trading activity.

HRC AND WAL-MART

WARD HARKAVY, VILLAGE VOICE 2000 - Twice in three days last week, Hillary Rodham Clinton basked in the adulation of cheering union . . . They would have dropped their forks if they had heard that Hillary served for six years on the board of the dreaded Wal-Mart, a union-busting behemoth. If they had learned the details of her friendship with Wal-Mart, they might have lost their lunches. . .

As she was leaving the dais, she ignored a reporter’s question about Wal-Mart, and she ignored it again when she strode by reporters in the hotel lobby.

But there are questions. In 1986, when Hillary was first lady of Arkansas, she was put on the board of Wal-Mart. Officials at the time said she wasn’t filling a vacancy. In May 1992, as Hubby’s presidential campaign heated up, she resigned from the board of Wal-Mart. Company officials said at the time that they weren’t going to fill her vacancy.

So what the hell was she doing on the Wal-Mart board? According to press accounts at the time, she was a show horse at the company’s annual meetings when founder Sam Walton bused in cheering throngs to celebrate his non-union empire, which is headquartered in Arkansas, one of the country’s poorest states. According to published reports, she was placed in charge of the company’s “green” program to protect the environment.

But nobody got greener than Sam Walton and his family. For several years in the ’80s, he was judged the richest man in America by Forbes magazine; his fortune zoomed into the billions until he split it up among relatives. It’s no surprise that Hillary is a strong supporter of free trade with China. Wal-Mart, despite its “Buy American” advertising campaign, is the single largest U.S. importer, and half of its imports come from China.

Was Hillary the voice of conscience on the board for American and foreign workers? Contemporary accounts make no mention of that. They do describe her as a “corporate litigator” in those days, and they mention, speaking of environmental matters, that she also served on the board of Lafarge, a company that, according to a press account, once burned hazardous fuels to run its cement plants. . .

And the Clintons depended on Wal-Mart’s largesse not only for Hillary’s regular payments as a board member but for travel expenses on Wal-Mart planes and for heavy campaign contributions to Bill’s campaigns there and nationally. . .

During the same period, small towns all over America began complaining that Wal-Mart was squeezing out ma-and-pa stores and leaving little burgs throughout the Midwest and South with downtowns that featured little more than empty storefronts.

MOTHER JONES, 2003 - More than two-thirds of all Wal-Mart employees are women — yet women make up less than 10 percent of top store managers. Back when she was first lady of Arkansas, Hillary Clinton became the first woman appointed to the Wal-Mart board, and tried to get the company to hire more women managers, but that effort apparently went the way of national health insurance. Wal-Mart today has the same percentage of women in management that the average company had in 1975.

LISA FEATHERSTONE, NATION, 2005 - Unlike so many horrible things, Wal-Mart cannot be blamed on George W. Bush. The Arkansas-based company prospered under the state’s native son Bill Clinton when he was governor and President. Sam Walton and his wife, Helen, were close to the Clintons, and for several years Hillary Clinton, whose law firm represented Wal-Mart, served on the company’s board of directors. Bill Clinton’s “welfare reform” has provided Wal-Mart with a ready workforce of women who have no choice but to accept its poverty wages and discriminatory policies.

FLAG BURNING

ST PETERSBURG TIMES EDITORIAL, 2005 - Sen. Hillary Clinton’s decision to co-sponsor a bill to make it a crime to burn the American flag amounts to political pandering of the worst kind. She was against outlawing flag-burning before she was for it.

The New York Democrat says she opposes a constitutional amendment to ban flag-burning but has signed on to a bill that would ostensibly accomplish the same thing by federal statute. Her position is unprincipled. Clinton may think this is a middle-ground position with broad political appeal, but most people will see it for what it is. . .

The measure she has co-sponsored along with Sen. Robert Bennett, R-Utah, is the Flag Protection Act of 2005. One provision would make it a crime punishable by up to a year in jail and a $100,000 fine, to burn an American flag of “any size” if a person knows that it is “likely to produce imminent violence or a breach of the peace.”

The crime is not the act of burning the flag (since old and tattered flags are burned regularly by veteran groups) but to burn a flag in criticism of the American government when someone is nearby who cannot control his impulses. This gives remarkable power to those in our society who resort to violence in response to disturbing speech and messages.

The Democratic Party doesn’t need another candidate who lacks the backbone to take a clear, principled stand, and it certainly doesn’t need a candidate who doesn’t believe in the First Amendment.

JOHNNY CHUNG

CNN, MARCH 1998 - Democratic fund-raiser Johnny Chung has agreed to plead guilty to election law violations and cooperate in the ongoing Justice Department investigation into illegal campaign fund-raising in the 1996 elections. . . Chung became a major figure in the Democratic fund-raising scandal when it was learned he made almost 50 visits to the White House. During one visit, Chung gave first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton’s then-chief of staff, Maggie Williams, a $50,000 check for the Democratic National Committee. The check was delivered inside the White House. Two days later Chung was able to bring a group of Chinese businessmen to watch President Bill Clinton deliver a radio address in the Oval Office. They then had their picture taken with the president. The DNC returned more than $300,000 that Chung raised because of questions about the source of the money.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/03/05/chung.pleads/

MANA FROM HAVANA

NY POST, 2000 - Hillary Rodham Clinton’s Senate campaign returned $22,000 in “soft money” to a businesswoman linked to a Democratic campaign contribution from a drug smuggler in Havana. The donation by Vivian Mannerud Verble, first reported by The Post, was the largest single contribution received by Clinton’s soft-money committee. Verble, whose company runs charter flights between Cuba and Miami, also served as the fund-raising intermediary between Jorge Cabrera and the Democratic National Committee in 1995, according to congressional investigators. The probers reportedly learned that Cabrera cut a $20,000 check to the DNC from a bank account in which he also kept profits from his lucrative cocaine trade. The DNC eventually returned the money, while Cabrera pleaded guilty to importing 6,000 pounds of cocaine into the United States. He is serving a 19-year federal prison sentence in Florida . . . Although Verble was never charged with any criminal wrongdoing, she was at the center of one of the most embarrassing fund-raising scandals in the Clinton administration..

ANOTHER LAND DEAL

JERRY SEPER, WASHINGTON TIMES, 2000 - The Arkansas Supreme Court, which is considering disbarment proceedings against President Clinton, yesterday said it also is investigating whether first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton engaged in fraud in a questionable Whitewater-related land deal. The probe, confirmed by the court’s Committee of Professional Conduct, has focused on accusations about Mrs. Clinton’s legal representation of a failed Madison Guaranty Savings and Loan Association real estate venture, which the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. called a “sham.” A major area of concern is an option agreement that facilitated a $300,000 payment to Seth Ward, father-in-law of Mrs. Clinton’s law partner, Webster L. Hubbell. The option, written by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Hubbell while they were at Little Rock’s Rose Law Firm, guaranteed Mr. Ward a payoff and negated his liability in the project.

HILLARY CLINTON SAYS SOME TORTURE ACCEPTABLE

BEN SMITH, NY DAILY NEWS - Despite her apparent opposition to torture, Hillary Clinton said in a Daily News editorial board meeting yesterday that the practice is acceptable in some circumstances. Clinton got a rousing reception from the human rights community, and seemed to take an uncharacteristically bright-line stance, in a recent statement on the Senate floor during the debate over torture.

“Have we fallen so low as to debate how much torture we are willing to stomach?” she asked at one point, and left anti-torture commentators, and even Clinton critics like Andrew Sullivan, with the impression that she’d emerged into a kind of un-Clintonian moral clarity and said no to torture.

But at yesterday’s Daily News editorial board meeting, it emerged that she’s not actually against torture in all instances, and that her dispute with McCain and Bush is largely procedural.

She was asked about the “ticking time bomb” scenario, in which you’ve captured the terrorist and don’t have time for a normal interrogation, and said that there is a place for what she called “severity,” in a conversation that included mentioning water-boarding, hypothermia, and other techniques commonly described as torture.

“I have said that those are very rare but if they occur there has to be some lawful authority for pursuing that,” she responded. “Again, I think the President has to take responsibility. There has to be some check and balance, some reporting. I don’t mind if it’s reporting in a top secret context. But that shouldn’t be the tail that wags the dog, that should be the exception to the rule.”

Asked again about these methods, she said:

“In those instances where we have sufficient basis to believe that there is something imminent, yeah, but then we’ve got to have a check and balance.”

TO INDICT OR NOT TO INDICT

ON APRIL 27, 1998, deputy independent counsel Hickman Ewing met with his prosecutors to decide on whether to indict Hillary Clinton. Here’s what happened as reported by Sue Schmidt and Michael Weisskopf in their book, “Truth at Any Cost:”

“[Ewing] paced the room for more than three hours, recalling facts from memory in his distinctive Memphis twang. He spoke passionately, laying out a case that the first lady had obstructed government investigators and made false statements about her legal work for McDougal’s S & L, particularly the thrift’s notorious multimillion-dollar Castle Grande real estate project. . .The biggest problem was the death a month earlier of Jim McDougal. . . Without him, prosecutors would have a hard time describing the S & L dealings they suspected Hillary Clinton had lied about.”

CNN, MAR 18, 1999 - Deputy independent counsel Hickman Ewing testified at the Susan McDougal trial Thursday that he had written a “rough draft indictment” of first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton after he doubted her truthfulness in a deposition. Ewing, who questioned Mrs. Clinton in a deposition at the White House on April 22, 1995, said, “I had questions about whether what she was saying were accurate. We had no records. She was in conflict with a number of interviews.”

Ewing said those interviews by investigators were primarily with other people in the Rose Law Firm. Ewing said he had questioned Mrs. Clinton about her representation of Jim McDougal’s Madison Guarantee Savings & Loan when she was at the Rose Law firm in Little Rock. “I don’t know if she was telling the truth. I did not circulate the draft. I showed it to one lawyer (in the independent counsel’s office) who said he didn’t want to see it,” Ewing said, under questioning from McDougal attorney Mark Geragos. . .

Ewing also testified that in a later deposition with both the president and first lady on July 22, 1995, he had questions about the truthfulness of both Clintons. McDougal’s attorney Mark Geragos asked Ewing: “Did you say the Clintons were liars?” “I don’t know if I used the ‘L-word’ but I expressed internally that I was concerned,” Ewing said.

LINCOLN BEDROOM

FOX NEWS, 2000 - Hillary Rodham Clinton denied allegations that she or her fund-raisers offered overnight stays in the Lincoln Bedroom and Camp David to supporters of her Senate campaign. “We have friends and supporters come and spend time with us and spend the night with us that we are getting to know and who like spending time with us,” Clinton said when questioned at a campaign stop at a western New York diner. “I don’t see what’s news about that.” . . . White House staffers said that since the summer of 1999 there have been at least 26 instances in which people, mainly couples, were overnight guests after donating to the first lady’s campaign or promising to do so. . . “The Lincoln Bedroom was never sold,” Clinton said in 1997, when the White House released a list of 938 guests who had spent the night at the executive mansion up to that point in the Clinton presidency. The list included the names of political supporters, as well as entertainment lumina

Obama got to where he is because the majority of white men are voting for him over billary. MAJORITY. So the white male vote, the most numerous vote in the country, btw, has gnoe to him over her. Proud to say, most educated peolpe, young people, abd people with very impressive incomes are voting for him. So if you are living in a trailer park you have never left all your life - well you vote for monicagate, whitewater, bosniagate, iraqgate but if you read a book besides dr. seuss and actually know what inside of a college looks like - overwhelmingly the numbers show you vote for the smart harvard guy with the calm and polite demanor. I am in the right camp and I am proud!

The site has been updated. The laundry list of lies is now on page 3.

All candidates promise great things (Utopia! Shangri-La! if you pick me) when running for office, then when he/she gets to the oval office, reality will hit him/her in the face. A leader needs the cooperation of others to turn his/her promises into reality.

Look at W. He, the most powerful man in the world, would so love to create, lead in the creation of, a Palestinian state, to exist peacefully next to Israel. He has had almost 8 years. Does anyone believe there will be a Palestinian state before January 20, 2009?
Clinton came close, but coming close doesn’t count. It was still a failure. W still has time, less than 10 months. We’ll see.
It takes many, many more than 8 years to make radical changes, and it takes generations to get rid of racism.

I read that Hillary ‘will do anything to win.’ As if the other two won’t.

HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE!!! I love it. Wish education was free everywhere. Then everyone could afford to think logically and learn something. Some people have an AGENDA. It keeps them up at night. They will support it to no end because at the end of the day - the people they spend hours and hours and hours denigrating ndspewing lies about have actually stirred up something in them that is not yet resolved. I love it. The good thing about documenting stupidity is you just let it speak for itself. Just let it speak for itself.

Because anybody who spends any great amount of time making a dead point that several people have shed light on and dismissed as unequivocal lies is in fact someone that is dealing with some internal thing - something not yet resolved. And all they have is the lies that they pull out of their derriere for if they do not have it then they have to look at their own selves and realize how unaccomplished they are and that the guy who no one bets on can in fact surface to win all the things that aforementioned person has not been able to figure out how to attain. It is a classic scenario. When one is unhappy with one’s life and one’s self - one attacks blindly, with disregard for those who shed light on the attack - because the ultimate goal is to cloud insecurity and self-doubt and low-self esteem in some foggy sense of righteousness and knowledge. Again, stupidity speaks for itself. And those of you who spend some cash to get an education, know EXACTLY where the stupidity is coming from. And I find it utterly hilarious! It’s like a pimple. Just won’t go away. Oxy 10 is often on sale at CVS. Jared, keep a supply handy. The stupidity is just beginning. Like Celine said: It will go on and on and on and on and on and on……..Near, far, wherever fear and self-doubt lies, stupidity will go on and on…………..

Orchid,

You are a republican supporter, that’s the reason you keep on harping about obama’s so called muslim religion. You are ignorant. Even if obama is a muslim or used to be a muslim so what? Look at your president Bush- a so called Christian-is he a good one? Don’t think so!

I.m glad that this political discussion surfaced in this blog. It really made me realized that not all Brad and Angie’s fans are enlighten.

If Z, Madd, and Pax were not adopted by angie and brad, you probably won’t love them. the only reason you think you care for brad and angie’s adopted kids is because you are a fan of angie and brad

Sure, you will now claim that you know people of this and that faith and you are friends or related with them, or that you are friends with black people—yada,yada, same drill

But you are ignorant and probably RACIST too. You dislike Obama because he is black. and you don’t like Muslim people because you think like some republican, that Muslims are terrorists.

i hope your Muslim friends find out soon you have hatred for their religion. Work on your self-you don’t even know you are a RACIST, and a typical Christian hating people of other religions.

If Angie and Brad ever get to know you , both will repudiate you-

I’m done with your racism,ignorance, and intolerance. Brad and Angie don’t need or like people like YOU!

637 lylian @ 03/30/2008 at 9:53 pm Orchid @ 03/29/2008 at 8:48 am
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I’m just back from the post office and found your very long post, made myself a drink, and let’s see…

lylian, you totally misunderstood me, and then you judged me.

I read your previous post, and I’m sure you know what you’re talking about and I said ‘Okay,’ didn’t I? Then I gave the view of another person (#411), who was also there, for you to read. You assumed he lied because he didn’t use his real name? Practically nobody uses their real name. My favorite flower is my name.

So you read in the newspapers about his school, and I saw it on TV.
A fellow poster implied that I lied and I sure didn’t like that!
I don’t care where Obama went to school. I don’t care if he spent ten years in the most radical of Islamic schools. Why did you assume that that’s a problem for me??? It isn’t! It isn’t!

I don’t vote in their election. I’m not American. I went to school there, so I have lived there and I’ve seen quite a bit of the country. My sister lives in New York now. She is American. She married one. I might be going there in November to experience election fever. My sister is annoyed that her choice, Rudy Giuliani, didn’t get anywhere!

My sister knows that if I could vote, it would go to Hillary. Not because she’s perfect, and not because she has the best policies, because to be honest, I don’t know all her policies, and all politicians make promises they find out later they can’t keep, but because I think it’s time to give a woman the chance to show what she can do. She can’t be worse than the guys and she could be better! So many men have made a mess.
I’m very interested in politics, and I’ve been posting in a politics site for a few years now. I don’t start a discussion and then leave it hanging.

After I read the links that I posted in #410, I read that he and his people have tried/are trying to cover up the facts of his life in Indonesia, and I wondered why! I’m a curious cat. Can I be sued for being a curious cat? :smile:
Is there anything he and his people don’t want the public to know? If a poster knows the answer to that, I’d like to hear it. If nobody knows, that’s fine too. I’m sure I’ll read it somewhere else.
There’s no need for anyone to get upset. Good grief, some people can be so sensitive.

Secondly, I was addressing the issue of apostate. I found out that when you are born to a Muslim man, then, according to their holy book, you are a Muslim forever, and if you then leave it for another religion, then according to their holy book, they have (the right) to kill you. I vaguely remember hearing this before, and then I saw it in the 17-minute “Fitna” video. So, if Obama was born a Muslim then this applies to him too, according to their holy book. Like I said, I wish Muslim posters would jump in here.

Not because she’s perfect, and not because she has the best policies,…

should be

Not because I think she’s perfect, and not because I think she has the best policies,…

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I’ve learned to be real careful in how I express myself. Gosh, it’s like walking on eggshells.

Hey, a new name. That’s great. I’m also glad that you’ve seen the same video.
By saying it’s propaganda, rien, I suppose you mean that Dutch politician told lies in his video, so could you mention one or two of the lies in it? The Muslim community in Holland can sue him.

That video had to be pulled out of circulation after only two days. If the people of different religions are supposed to understand each other and live together peacefully, then I would have thought that discussing the various issues is important, and should be encouraged.

If you are a Muslim, have you any idea how your religious leaders intend to apply Muslim laws, like sharia and the one covering apostates in this day and age? I have read that the Muslim leaders in Britain are already demanding that sharia law applies to British Muslims.
I think this is a very interesting subject, and can’t be ignored.

“W. love to create?”
I don’t know what this means.

@Orchid

I think you said it yourself. At 632, I believe. We are talking about the same guy, aren’t we? The “W”?
Only curiosity, why do the Politicians mention “now” that they are somehow related to “The Couple” in HW?
Like any other law, I suppose. Fight it in the House of Representatives. It is democracy, isn’t it?
BTW, do you ever wonder what the Dutch did in Indonesia? More than 300 years colonization? What do you think they did to the Muslims there? Give them honey and cheese?

rien @ 03/31/2008 at 7:11 am

Wilders film is cutting the Koran, only down to the verses that he needed. He does not make any balance research before he made the film.
It’s HIS video, rien. He can do what he likes. If he lied, then it’s a problem for him. Did he tell a single lie in his video??? If he did, then why doesn’t the Muslim side make a video to prove him wrong? Why doesn’t a Muslim producer make a video as an answer to Wilders?

He even made interview with a three years old child, a waaaay low for me.
No! NO! That interview with those little ones was NOT made by Wilders. I know this for a fact! It’s from the archives.
It was part of a video about suicide bombers. I saw that, maybe two years ago. It was made by the Muslim side in their fight against Israel, and I remember a whole uproar about it.
Wilders also used footage of 9/11and the train bomb disaster in Madrid.

You can not say that the Muslims in Arab are the same like the Muslims in Indonesia, for example.
Do you know that Indonesia has the most Muslims in the world? Did you read any statement from them regarding for ex. 9/11? Do you know that Indonesian Gov. approve all religions and some traditional animism?
Yes, I know all that.

Radicalism (Islam or any other religion) in my eyes is dangerous and stupid. We have brain to think, why we do not use it?
I totally agree! Why don’t we all use our brains, and argue without namecalling, and death threats. After all, we have to share the planet. There is no other place to go, yet.

I think you said it yourself. At 632, I believe. We are talking about the same guy, aren’t we? The “W”?
Oh, I see. Yes, Dubya would love for a Palestinian state to be created while he is still in office. That’s why Ms Rice goes back and forth between Israel and the Palestinians. I don’t see how it’s possible if they exclude Hamas.

(Forgot to bold.)

I agree with you in many ways. It is Wilders video, I guess. I state my opinion, and that’s it. Lennon used to say, if you talk about destruction, well, you can count me out. And I am with him.

No, I am not Jennifer’s fan. I only see this Lady has a lot of problems, caused mostly by herself. So, I said what I had on my mind. Will it help? Hmh…..????
I prefer to say, AJ is an interesting Lady. Whatever she does, it will be interesting too. She has dignity and strong character, and I respect her for that.

Anyway, nice talk to you, Orchid! BTW, I never use other name on JA thread. And except now, I had not stated my opinion on AJ/BP thread.