Vanessa Hudgens is Ice Cold

I am posting it here rather on Vanessa’s thread. Some profound observations dedicated to Zac Efron from a deep and wise thinker
whose beautiful and endearing thoughts would refresh anyone’s
mind and soul.

Bringing also by him his well-meaning best wishes to all the HSM cast. Enjoy and peace to all ( for everyone deserves to be lighthearted )—a chicken soup for the soul…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lA8bz5hQ1c

i just feel like writing a letetr to a fan mail where they are likely to not even see it is pointless and would rather them be able to read it as i have lots to say to them i really dont see the big deal here

IT IS A BIG DEAL TO ASK FOR HER PERSONAL ADDRESS!!!! WE AS FANS HERE, WILL REPORT ABUSE ON YOU IF YOU CONTINUE TO ASK FOR HER PERSONAL INFO OR ZACS… YOU SEEM A LITTLE EXTREMIST.

REMEMBER, YOUR EMAIL IS DETECTED HERE, YOU’RE NOT INVINCIBLE. I SUGGEST YOU STOP BEFORE YOU WILL BE HARRASSED YOURSELF BY AUTHORITIES. LETTER OR NOT, YOU SEEM EXTREME AND A LITTLE OFF THE WALL TO BE HONEST.

NOT ONLY ARE YOU GETTING YOURSELF IN TROUBLE LADY, BUT THE PERSON YOU’RE ASKING THIS INFO FROM!

SORRY *

that was for Charlene.. she can’t just ask WHERE ZAC EFRON LIVES!
AND IM WITH YOU, KAREN..

SORRY, MY BAD THE COMMENT ABOVE..
oh boy hahhahhua

Charlene:

Do you really think that the people here who responded to your comments nicely and defended the privacy of Ashley, Vanessa and Zac are ridiculous? Do you know what that word means?

I didn’t want to respond to your posts but sometimes you push some buttons and I cannot let you go this time. So here it goes:

First of all, let’s play an imaginary game. Let’s imagine that you get the needed address. I think you have already written your letters. Let’s imagine that you have posted it to them or one of them.

What happens if they don’t respond? You send another letter because you think that they haven’t got it? Or you start asking for their phone numbers? Or you go to LA, wait for them in front of their houses and give them your letter personally? I think you wrote that you live in NYC so the last option is highly impossible but who knows? You can be anyone, no offense, because internet is an anonymous network. That is why we are reluctant to give you info because your intentions can be anything, and you know it if you think it through from a neutral point of view.

What happens if they do get your letter? Do you honestly think that they will reply? I rather think that they will send you a signiture or even a photo but they wouldn’t do it personally. You would get a letter from their official fanbox and that’s all. Or do you think they have the time and the energy to answer each and every letter and message when their schedules are that crazy? I don’t think so.

The only reason when you should wait for a reply is when your letter has a really great message. And I’m not talking about the ‘I love you and you have changed my life’ kind of message. They know that they have influence on other people’s lives. They acknowledge their fans and are very grateful for them. So the only question is: is your message that unique or important? (Think of the British boy Connor!!!) I don’t believe that but of course I have no idea about it so I leave this question open.

I have followed your comments here and on other sites as well. You want to contact everybody who has ever met the HSM stars. You defend Ashley extremely (on the sidenote, you do nothing when Ashley is claimed to be better than Vanessa, you only write something when Ashley is badmouthed), you care about Zac and Vanessa, and it is cool. But seriously, you seem a little bit stalkerish. You post your email address everywhere and want to know everything about our favourites. Your support - if you can call it that - starts to be a little questionable and over the top to me.

So I suggest that you should stop asking for more details all the time. In my opinion, you cross a line sometimes and your actions are no good no matter how harmless you are. With or without bad intentions, your requests (personal data and more details of fan encounters) are too much. And you are the one who ridicules herself, not us who asks you not to post your email everywhere. Heck, we have even told you on previous posts how dangerous it can be to post your email address so openly. So we do care about you.

I wanted to let you go but cannot stand how you responded to the people here and started calling them names. First of all, we are in the same boat. We all love Vanessa and Zac, and some of us even love Ashley. We support them by writing here, defending them when needed and expressing our ideas. They give us joy, their work entertains us, and we are happy when they are happy. You are not different from us in a way. So please do not use harsh words on us because we are not your enemies.

Secondly, you have to understand that we - their fans - want the best for our stars. We do not want to prevent you posting your letter out of jelousy or hatred. We just want them to have privacy because, believe me, they need more paps- or fan-free time. This is a general statement and has nothing to do with you. In this question, you are equal to all of the fans. And nobody - not even you - has the right to disturb Ashely, Vanessa and/or Zac in their private time, and more importantly, at home. It is invading their private lives in a way. And I am sorry if you don’t realize this.

Thirdly, I suggest you should realize when nobody agrees with you in a debate then maybe you are wrong. We are not teaming against you but happen to think the same about your actions. You don’t have to shot back all the time and most definitely you mustn’t use harsh words because badmouthing is only evaluating you and not us. If you are 25 years old I think you should learn some rhetorics and the art of debate. It would be a very important study in your life.

You don’t have to post back if you don’t want to. But please THINK about what we told you. We aren’t against you so don’t hate us. We respect you efforts and believe you when you say you are harmless. But we care about Ashely, Vanessa and Zac more. Sorry, that’s a fact given.

Don’t stop posting! Support our stars! And LIVE IN LOVE. PEACE

Midnightwonder, I think there are 2 charlenes who post. One is the more mature 25 yr old and the other to whom you are addressing is the teenager. The mature charlene does post only occassionally unlike the teen.

vote for vanessa .
vanessa is on page 3 of the list.
http://www.mtv.com/ontv/vma/2008/bes…-video/?page=3

Karen, Zac fan, Boji, Midnight Wonder and other responders to Charlene.

You’ve all made excellent posts. Unfortunately, I think they’ve gone to waste as the intended recipient is totally not grasping the logic behind these posts.

Now this is what concerns me and slightly alarms me. Normal tweenagers from age 10 upwards understand that you can’t just ask for private details of public personae you’re not connected with and you shouldn’t give out yours. They know that the internet is faceless and unsafe and they send their fanmail to the appropriate public addresses.

When someone has reached the age of 25 in today’s America and does not comprehend what normal teenagers know as a fact of life, then I fear that there is something not quite right or normal somewhere.

I’ve followed Charlene’s comments on a number of sites, she claims to be a fan of Zac and Vanessa but as far as I can tell, she’s an Ashley fan. However, interestingly she tends to ask more about personal details of Vanessa and Zac than Ashley.

She asks for details of Vanessa’s personal myspace, her address, telephone number, what she’s wearing and how she is in fan encounters, yet most of her comments on Vanessa’s thread is to compare her unfavorably with Ashley or to insert a comment about Ashley when she thinks Vanessa is being complimented too much.

Weirdly too, she makes a lot more comments and spends more time defending Ashley on Vanessa threads and Vanessa related topics than on Ashley threads where haters are bashing Ashley.

I know that there are non-fans that keep up with news about Vanessa and Zac and we see a number of negative comments on their threads. These don’t bother me at all, they just provide variety, entertainment and debate. All in all, they are harmless.

What is becoming alarming is the quest for personal info and contact by an adult fan who does not see anything wrong in that quest and is unable to comprehend logical explanations that a normal teenager can and should comprehend. Something is just not normal.

Kudos to all our loyal fans here!! So proud to be amongst such a well-spoken, kind, and supportive group!!

I totally agree with you, naomi, midnightwonder, and Boji. I have also noticed all of charlene’s requests for info, and find it terribly alarming. She doesn’t ask for the same info on Ashley’s threads, even though she is a rabid fan of hers. That leads me to believe she is just looking to cause trouble any way she can. She wants personal info, pictures, anything she can get her hands on, not just an address to write to them about “how much she loves them.” So I don’t believe her motive is just to write to them.

charlene, I know you are upset at our concern, but your interest in them crosses the line. We are fans who follow Zac and Vanessa in a healthy way, and enjoy sharing here. You have gone beyond that in your interest in them, and seem to not realize that. Yes, we are concerned. Remember, there are quite a few health professionals here, and we do see an unhealthy, frightening interest in these two actors. Please take a step back and think about what we have all said. And this is not meant to be mean, charlene.

vanessa is vary nice!

#191–Naomi:

I know what you are saying and I agree with you. I have tried to refrain from saying certain things but here is what I have observed about Charlene—or what she makes me “feel” about her. Unless I miss my guess altogether I believe this is what you are trying to point out in a tactful way also. But my tactfulness is gone, I must admit and there are too many people coming out to address a real concern here. So, here goes: I think charlene loves Ashley and has a belief she knows what is best for her and she is compelled to defend her even is the insult is only in charlene’s mind like getting so upset when we pointed out that Zac and Vanessa were the stars of HSM. We said nothing bad about Ashley but it truely upset her. She used the excuse that she was defensing all the other 4 actors like Lucas, Corbin who had big roles but that, I think, was just another way of boosting Ashley because she was upset that VANESSA was getting more attention.

Although she want us to believe she also loves Zac and Vanessa, I think it infuriates her that they are together. It may be that she thinks Zac is “meant” for Ashley and Vanessa is in the way. So that is why she is so concerned about there every move and where they might be at all times. I fear for Vanessa’s safety more than Zac. However, she may be so upset with Zac for being with Vanessa that Zac might be in danger also. She may resent Zac for wanting and obviously loving Vanessa so much. And her obsession is getting more intense as that fact becomes more and more apparent. In a much earlier post she was obsessed to know where Vanessa was going to have her party—I don’t think she had one—when her CD was released. She was desperate to find out just as she asked whether HSM3 would have their premiere in NYC. Yes, IF she is 25 years old chronologically she certainly isn’t that emotionally and that is why I fear her relentless pursuit to get this personal information.

In one of my post I asked her what she would do if she did not get a reply and if she would take that to mean they didn’t get it even if she KNEW it went to a private address. And what concerns me number one is she says she wants to know they got it and wants to know they read it for sure. Well, wonder if they don’t reply? Will she keep sending them messages until she thinks they will? And apparently she doesn’t know even if it is a nice letter that may start waving red flags in the camps of Zac and Vanessa that there is something “off” about this person I think it will drive her over the edge if she is sure they got the message, read the message, and then didn’t respond to her. It will be a rejection which will make her want to “work” that much harder to get a response and may lead to a lot less “nice” message to the point of outrage.

Then there is just as distubing consequences IF she should actually be one of those people who would get a personal response from Zac or Vanessa. When this happens obsessive people then can become convinced that the celebrity “knows” them personally and there is some kind of “connection” which gives the fan certain rights and privileges the rest of the world doesn’t have. I believe if I’m not mistaken that is what contributed to Rebecca Shaffer’s murder. The guy who committed the crime had received personal messages from her in return for his fan mail and he developed a wile scenario all his own about what she was saying to him.

I’m sorry I I am wrong about any of this but I do think their is something amiss and somebody could actually be in danger since no 25 year old could fail to understand the logic present here. If nothing else most people would just be embarrassed to be so blatant and obvious. But that is the problem she CAN’t stop herself it is an overwhelming compulsion to keep on until she has what she wants or has achieved a goal or “mission” she feel she has to do.

Well, that’s my take and how I feel inside.

Karen:

Well, I HOPE that you are wrong. I am an optimistic person so I rather believe that Charlene is only a teenager but no matter how old she is, her actions are frightening in a way. (I don’t want to express my concerns but sometimes I do feel that some people need help in these threads. She is one of them.) Her obsession is beyond our control, in my opinion. IF she is only 15 years old she needs to contact someone in her school who can help her, but IF she is 25 as she states it then maybe she needs real help from a professional.

I am not saying that she wants to cause any trouble or harm either Vanessa or Zac. I am just claiming that, in my opinion, she is too wrapped up into the HSM world so she might consult someone to find out the motives behind her actions, or she should choose another creative hobby that will make her mind occupied with.

I don’t know her and I definitely don’t want to judge her. I only expressed my worries. It would be so good if she had the guts and would explain herself to us although she had to answer herself in the first place. And it would be much better if she would think through her actions that cause posters who don’t know her personally to start dealing with her character and obsession.