Miranda Kerr is a Helmet Head

To all who have responded to my posts: Thank you.

@126 - interesting point you make.

So poster from 53, 58, and 63 - I am one of the longtime online posters that has always kept my name at each board I post at…..am I one of those people you seem to have lost respect for? Just curious because as #126 points out that people from olove and other boards go to delphi to post what they really think because they are barred from doing so at olove. They have changed their names so nobody really knows who they are over at olove unless someone is really paying attention to posting styles. There are only a few posters at delphi that kept the same, or near the same name that they use at other places so I would assume that those of us that have are the ones you are talking about.

Maybe I am being presumptive thinking that, or even eluding to thinking I have, or used to have respect around the boards. But in fairness to myself, and some other women who I find very sane (who also have, or still do post there), do you think that after all this time Ive been part of Orlandos online fandom that I all of a sudden just lost it and went mental? Did you stop to think about the fact that there actually might be legitimate reasons for saying and thinking certain things that I have personally said?

FWIW, I dont lay claim to believing or disbelieving what anyone at any board has said or thought, unless I say so in response to them at that board. I agree with the poster who responded to you that lumping posters together as all having the same beliefs about something just because they post at the same board is unfair. Delphi is a forum only. I dont agree with a lot I have read there, but some I am willing to at least speculate and give some thought to if it seems rational to me. I also consider who is saying it and what their “norm” of posting is. But labeling all who have a posting history at any board as insane, idiots, drinking the coolaid, etc, is in and of itself not rational either. Consider the post, the poster, and what they say…..not the whole board as collectively thinking one thought.

I assure you that my mental capacity for sane and rational thought is still the same as it was back in the days of Kate and all that. That said, I dont view Miss Kerr as a charicature that is above doing and saying some of the things she has been accused of.

1. She benefits from whatever press she can get, especially press that links her to Orlando. The media outside of Australia otherwise really doesnt have much to say about her. She would have every reason in the world to try and raise her own profile by whatever means.

2. His online fandom for the most part has not responded positively to her. Some say its the same division as it was in the Kate days, that most everyone hated Kate too, but I was there, and I think more of his fans liked Kate than hated her or at least never spoke out against her.

I think she is quite different from Orlando’s capability all these years to stay separated from the fandom and do his own thing. I personally think she has meddled with his fans here, and other places, and stirred up a hornets nest that is now costing Orlando some of his fans. If thats the kind of chick he wants to hang with, fair enough…..his life. But she is only human after all, and quite capable of getting onto the internet and stirring things up. She does not have the high profile that Orlando has, at least she didnt until it was confirmed she was dating him, so what makes anyone think she is above coming here and doing some of that stuff?

After that HB article, his fans really started not liking her and saying so and piecing together some of the other “weird” stuff about her actions, so what makes her above retaliating against his fans online? After all, she can do it anonymously. Do you all honestly think because she is a model, especially one that nobody outside of Gunnedah even knew what her actual name was until she was linked to Orlando, that she is somehow above some of the stuff she has been accused of? If she is capable of having a myspace page, she is capable of posting here too. Just because she is a model with a little bit of public attention, it doesnt make her above any single poster here.

Anyway, back to the original subject. I guess posters will always have to decide for themselves whether or not they want to risk being labeled insane or risk losing respect for speaking their mind about something. But still, I personally find it hard to respect people who cant own what they say wherever they say it. #53, I dont even know who you are, but I know you have been around long enough to have formed opinions about posters who have been posting for a while. You will whisper about people in PM’s and allude to ones you think have lost their minds, but cant own your own words from board to board? To me, thats far sadder. Its worth the risk because I know I am not a coward. Very few around these boards can say the same.

@95
I’m not the person who posted the statement that KOH made $200 million originally but like her I can use google:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=kingdomofheaven.htm

TOTAL LIFETIME GROSSES
Domestic: $47,398,413 22.4%
+ Foreign: $164,253,638 77.6%
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= Worldwide: $211,652,051

Production Budget: $130 million
You can find the same numbers at http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/2005/KINGH.php

Where did you get *your* facts?

@130 -

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****@FroFro
Someone makes a general statement, you jump forward to claim it. Why?****
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I wasnt necessarily “claiming” it, I was asking the poster who posted 53, 58, and 63 IF I was included in that as I have been a long time poster at these boards and one of the few that uses their same posting name from board to board. The statement wasnt really general either, it specified pointing out those types of posters. I am not only defending myself but other posters (who are not insane) that also use their same posting names board to board.

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****Have you considered someone with a different view also has legitimate reasons for it? *****
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I dont make it a point to run around boards pointing out to people how crazy, retarded, insane, mental, deluded, and calling people idiots because they dont have my same point of view. It is unfair, as many have pointed out just in this thread, but nobody seems too anxious to change their behavior about it. If someone is being a *****, I will happily say so, but being a ***** to another poster and not agreeing with their same point of view in a respectable manner are two different things.
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*****As #121 said, all the boards & its members gets unfairly lumped together & labeled. Members of O-Love are quite the laughingstock to those who believe it’s a showmance.*****
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I personally dont post at OLove because I dont like only being able to say positive things all the time or not be able to discuss topics in detail. I realize there are posters who prefer that type of place, or just like to go there for the pictures since OLove seems to always get the jump on them. It certainly doesnt make them crazy or deluded, and I believe I have made that same comment on IMDB, Delphi and maybe some other places. I think its rude to think someone crazy because they choose to see the positive as much as they can.

You know, maybe I am wishful thinking, but this fandom would be a lot better if people would simply make the effort to remember that the person they are responding to is an actual person on the other side of the PC screen. Discussions are much nicer than constant smackdowns. In the early days of Orlandos IMDB board, I never restrained myself from really hassling the **** out of some posters. I regretted it later. Not because I agreed with the people, just because its always been a cause of contention still these days with some of them. Now I wish I had chosen my words more carefully.

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*****About MK: for a woman you can’t stand, you spent a lot of time analyzing/judging her &, by extension, him. Why? So what if she does try to stir things up? According to showmancers, at best she’s ignored, at worse she’s alienating everyone.*****
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I wanted to be happy for Orlando that he had found someone after what seemed to be such a hurtful time after Kate,….really I did. Suffice it to say, it makes no difference how much time and energy any one person or group of people have spent analyzing her actions, she is summing herself up to be someone that (if he were my brother or cousin or friend) I would most definitely not line him up with. I’ll just leave it at that. Everyone else can make their own assessment.
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*****You think it’s sadder #53 won’t own his/her words from board to board. You mean like Mayfrayn? And you know #53 “whisper about people in PM’s and allude to ones [s/he] think have lost their minds” - how?******

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Yes I do. At least when someone responds to Mayfrayn they know who they are conversing with. I have gathered though that owning your words is not something that is high priority with online fandom.

For how gullible or pathetic Mayfrayn might sound to some people on the boards, she is owning her words and not cowering behind anonimity. I dont personally know her, or read what she comments about. I would most likely not agree with her and her take on Miranda. I see that she gets made fun of quite a bit for simply being a person who chooses to focus on the positive, and she tends to fall for posters traps out there. Thats her biz if she wants to keep falling for stuff…..even you brought her up. I guess she is the new Carmen…..the one to poke fun at.

I dont care if I lose every last drop of respect on the boards because I choose to own what I say. I dont lie and I dont play games with people. I do know who is trustworthy and that is enough for me. Backstabbers and transparent sneaky people can piss off as I wouldnt associate with them in real life either.

@ Frofro

Just random thoughts:

You “don’t make it a point to run around boards…calling people idiots because they dont have my same point of view.” But you did make it a point to come here to state (among other things) your stance on the state of OB/MK to people who don’t all share your view.

“being a ***** to another poster and not agreeing with their same point of view in a respectable manner are two different things”.
Are you sure? To me, the problem seems to be this attitude: “you disagree with me, you’re a *****”.

About discussion rather than smackdowns, it’ll happen. We all have to grow up eventually. It just takes longer for some than others.

About MK: This is what I don’t understand. You’re not his sibling or cousin or friend. So why obsess over her/them?

I mentioned Mayfrayn as a reason why #53 might choose to be anonymous. What did you think I meant? Never mind, I don’t think I want to know. By the way, interesting write-up of Mayfrayn & yourself.

“If you respect them as a person, at least give them the opportunity to explain maybe why they believe something.”
Who’s to say the person’s attitude didn’t scream my way or the highway? Who’s to say explanations weren’t asked & given but still no understanding achieved? Or ended in further disagreement/misunderstanding? Belligerence is rampant on both sides, not just one.

“I didnt realize everyone had to be in agreement to make a post about something.”
My point was that no one said, “FroFro etc. etc. etc.” I guess I saw it as you jumping to conclusions. You didn’t come to mind when I read that comment. Not sure even the OP of that comment had you in mind either.

“Or were you perhaps meaning that I was being a ***** ?”
I did not mean you. I meant even respectably disagreeing has a tendency to descend into ******ness after a couple of rounds of discussion, if JJ has been any kind of indication.

“the way I personally believe she has treated his fandom and him”
If by being with her leaves him with NO fans, then so be it. You can’t stop fans from leaving, can’t stop or protect him from whatever you think he’s doing wrong. Give your care & concern to people who truly matter: your family & friends. They deserve your attention. Not some guy you read about in a mag or watched on-screen.

“Do you think I should be slamming her or something because everyone else does?”
Another gap: I thought you thought I was slamming her.

“but thanks anyway for the conversation about it……and for not being rude or demeaning.”
Likewise. I’m kind of relieved this thread has already been bumped down, or our long posts will draw fire as well! :-D