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Katie Holmes To Face Anti-Scientology Crusaders?
Katie Holmes sports another floaty top and Roger Vivier buckled flats as arrives at NYC’s Minetta Lane Theatre on Tuesday morning.
The 29-year-old actress will be making her Broadway debut in the play “All My Sons” next month but anti-Scientology crusaders say they will sit silently among the audience at the Gerard Schoenfeld Theatre wearing masks of British Catholic revolutionary Guy Fawkes.
A rep for Anonymous tells The Sun: “We aren’t looking to shut All My Sons down. We don’t have the power to do that – we just want to prove a point. We just want to save Katie. We want to draw attention to Scientology, and hopefully get Katie out of it before it’s too late.”
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ew, ive had enough of her already
What does that mean
Yeah Im tired of her too
I want more SJP(Shiloh JP that is)
Go Anonymous!!!! shut down the freak show money making machine that is scientology!!!!!
stop posting on this old looking hag and her family no one CARES
you post on her every F*cking DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do agree with what they are about to do…I cant actually believe she get’s jobs when everyone know she’s part of the Church of scientology!!! I’m not even religious but I totally condemn this movement!!!
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Total hypocrites, this ‘crusade’ group sound like more of a cult than Scientology! She’s not hurting anyone and appears to be happy. Just a desperate attempt for people to gain attention, probably for money.
As if security is going to allow them to stay in the theatre.
I feel bad for the other actors, but not for her.
Rihanna Wannabe.
$cientology is a business
that operates as a cult
pretending to be a religion.
BOYCOTT KULTIE ON BROADWAY
BOYCOTT ALL $CIENTOLOGY CELEBRITIES
Good move, hopefully the show will close down quickly and she will leave New York.
The other fabulous actors will find new parts quickly so I don’t feel badly for them.
Even Tom Cruise has said that Scientology is not a religion, he said you can be a Christian and a Scientologist at the same time.
I like her but have her photos here every single day is too much , she is always doing the same just different cloths. I got tired already.
No, #6…..it’s an attempt to call attention to the fact that Scientology is a CULT that destroys families, takes away human rights and brainwashes it’s victims. Anonymous are concerned people who want to stop this cult from growing any further and damaging any more people. Anonymous doesn’t make money from protesting! That’s ridiculous. As a matter of fact, it costs them money and they do what they do because they care about the situation and want it stopped before it gets any further.
If they are stopped from protesting IN the theater, they’ll protest outside and they have every right to do that even though Scientology would like to stop it. Anonymous is protected by the US Constitution and has every right to protest the cult.
Before you stand up for Scientology, don’t stick you head in the sand. Do some research. They are responsible for the deaths of many, criminal behaviors, the destruction of families through disconnection…etc. Read the words of their founder, Hubbard. He was a hateful bigot who believed that teaching people to lie was a good thing. Scientology is NOT a religion, according to Hubbard.
Tina,
Katie had to give up Catholicism to be with Tom Cruise. If you watched any of the interviews a couple of years ago, you also know that he said that he and Katie are only Scientologists, not Catholics anymore. One replaced the other.
Even Tom Cruise has said that Scientology is not a religion, he said you can be a Christian and a Scientologist at the same time.
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That’s a lie Tina.
YOU CANNOT BE A SCIENTOLOGIST AND ANY OTHER RELIGION. Tom was lying thru his teeth. I know. I was raised in Scientology and left a few years ago.
Once you reach OT III, reading about, learning about or participating in any other religion is called MIXING PRACTICES AND IT IS PUNISHABLE BY SCIENTOLOGY BY BEING DECLARED AN SP. It is strictly against the rules.
That’s something Scientology tells “raw meat” (new converts) to get them into the cult.
Please do your own research into Scientology if you don’t believe me. That information is all over the internet as are most of L. Ron Hubbards writing which Scientology tried to keep secret.
Ask yourself this question: What REAL religion wants their doctrine kept secret even from their own people? The Bible is available for all to read. The Koran is available for all to read. Only Scientology hides their scripture and makes you pay to read it piece by piece.
Get some real information about Scientology. It’s dangerous and destructive and has been responsible for the deaths of many as well as ruining the lives of many others.
Just because a celebrity follows it doesn’t make it right. It’s a cult.
they’re going to infiltrate a dark theater and wear masks during a performance…..in the dark. they do realize that it will be dark in there right? and why should all the other people who paid to see the performance have to be freaked out by these crazy people in masks??? i mean scientology is freakin crazy, but it sounds like these protesters are a litle nuts too.
Katie is a smart girl. She knows which side of the her bread is buttered.
leave her alone , everybody can believe what they what, it doesn’ t enterest anybody, she is happy so what’s the matter?
# 11 Tina @ 09/02/2008 at 12:40 pm Even Tom Cruise has said that Scientology is not a religion, he said you can be a Christian and a Scientologist at the same time.
Impossible.
religion or not religion-it’s her business and not anyone elses. why doesn’t everyone protest the catholic priest ******* child molesters. no religion or non-religion is perfect-live and let die
If you know even a tiny bit about Scientology, you’ll realize what a bold-faced lie and a joke it is to claim you can be “both” a Scientologist and a Christian (or a Jew or whatever). What Scientologists believe directly cancels out the very basic foundations of Christianity. How in God’s name can you be both when in Scientology there is no God?
Scientologist have to say it is a religion (even though it is nothing like one) so they can keep their tax exampt status.
Theae individuals are free to protest against Scientology if they choose to do so. Last time I checked it’s still America. And the Scientologists are constantly forming protests about the perceived bigotry aimed their way. They are vocal and mean–as I’ve witnessed.
So what if a bunch of people are going to sit in silent protest? The theatre people are probably thrilled to finally fill all those empty seats that Katie Holmes couldn’t.
i guess the show will be more exciting if they’d ramble inside or something. lmfao!
Tina-
He may have said that you can be a Scientologist and a Christian at the same time. But you really can’t. Scientologist believe that Alien ghosts have been brainwashed made to believe in Jesus Christ and then are implanted into our bodies. (in a machine called R-6 75million years ago) It is a teaching that you do learn until you have spent many years in scientology and reach the level of “OT 3″ Tom is OT 7 and “knows” that.
Scientologist will tell you that the Space Opera story is from a screenplay Hubbard wrote you can hear him on Gawker.
In the dissemination Course on wiki leaks L. Ron Hubbard explains that it is NOT fiction. (See the glossary for space opera) And goes on to say that it should not be mentioned in public.
Scientology is NOT just Katie’s “business”. It’s a cult that should concern everybody! Did you know that they want to have EVERYONE WHO IS NOT A SCIENTOLOGIST declared a suppressive person? That’s right. Anyone who is a Suppressive Person is to be “disposed of quietly and without sorrow” according to L. Ron Hubbard.
Katie’s cult wants you “disposed of” if you don’t agree with them.
ALSO THEY ARE NOT PROTESTING IN THE THEATER. THEY ARE PROTESTING OUTSIDE THE THEATER WHICH IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS. They are protected by the US Constitution and have a right to protest.
This comes from NBC.
When Katie Holmes’ Broadway show “All My Sons” opens Oct. 16, ticket holders won’t be the only ones in attendance. The anti-Scientology group Anonymous will be on hand for Holmes’ Broadway debut as well.
“The group confirms that a protest will take place opening night. “We aren’t looking to shut it (“All My Sons”) down, we don’t have the power to do that, we just want to prove a point,” one spokesperson (who remains anonymous, natch) confirmed via phone.
Anonymous’ protests, when they take place in person (the group often launches Web-based protests) are easy to spot, thanks to the tell-tale masks Anonymous members wear. The group, which calls itself a “leaderless worldwide group of concerned citizens” recently picketed the Scientology Center on West 46th Street in New York.
Of the group’s plans to picket the “Sons” opening, the spokesperson said their main aim was to “save Katie.” “We want to draw attention to Scientology, and hopefully get Katie out of it before its too late.” “
why doesn’t everyone protest the catholic priest ******* child molesters.
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Many people have! Do you read the papers?!?!?!
The major difference is that the Catholic Church does not have the molestation of children as part of their doctrine. They don’t support it. Some really bad people did it and unfortunately, there are bad people everywhere. The bottom line is that it’s NOT part of Catholic scripture. Besides, if one religion does something wrong, does that make it OK for Scientology to do things that are hateful and wrong? Of course not.
Scientology scripture written by Hubbard teaches their people to lie, cheat, attack others, be bigots, deny medication to those who need it, disconnect from anyone who is not a Scientologist and also tells them that it is OK to hurt non-Scientologists in any way they want to. Is that something anyone would want to be part of? I don’t think so!!
Since when did Katie look happy, she never smiles anymore. Yeah I know the paps are in her face all the time but I’d at least try and live normally and to me that is smiling and being happy if she’s not she needs to change her lifestyle. As for Suri I’ve never seen that kid smile, but if you look at Matilda, Heath Ledger and Michelle Williams baby in 99% of pictures take of her she’s smiling or laughing seems like a happy child where as Suri doesn’t.
So true Michell!!
If that’s what Scientology does to a person (makes them too miserable to smile), they can have it!
Katie used to be a happy girl who was always smiling. Now she looks dead in the eyes, unhappy and brainwashed. I feel sorry for her.
Look at Suri! I saw a news clip about her when she didnt know the paps were there and she looked miserable too. That poor kid! TC and KH need to get that kid out of that cult!!
Anyone who wants to check out the actual Anonymous discussion about this can read it here. http: //forums.enturbulation. org/15-media/protests-planned-katie-holmes-broadway-show-opening-27941/2/#post546967
(just delete the 2 spaces)
Acutally, that’s page 2. Try page 1: http ://forums.enturbulation. org/15-media/protests-planned-katie-holmes-broadway-show-opening-27941/
A concerned person:
excellent post!!
Geez, she is a wrinkled mess today. I guess someone must have told her to roll her pant legs more uniformly as the rolled cuffs aren’t the mess they usually are. Top is not flattering at all in style or color, jeans and top are wrinkled. Goes to show money can’t buy style or class. She looks like she picked these up on the last day of a Wal-Mart summer sale.
Katie doesn’t believe in Scientology, but she subscribed to it because she knew it would buy her a luxurious life. I don’t think she wants to be saved. She’s as much a part of that life now as Tom Cruise is. He wouldn’t bother with her if she wasn’t.
JJ must be lovin this! He’s gonna get a million hits today but what he’s really doing is getting the idiots to support that cult. They’re morons. Do some research about Scientology. Read the positive and the negative and if you still agree with it, you’re sick in the head.
Oh, and to all the Scientologists who will respond. Forget it. Thanks to Anonymous we know all about you now.
Take a look at http://www.xenu.net.
#33: You’re right. This post is going to be a winner for Just Jared.
Any group that advocates and even highly encourages members to completely cut ties with family, mother, father, sister, brother if they do not share or accept the same beliefs is by my definition a cult or at the very least a dangerous and malicious influence.
I agree, save katie from what?!!!!!
Katie is a pr wh*re and a gold digger. She thought Cruise would give her a career boost and lots of money. That makes her even worse that being a Scientologist. She sold her life and her womb to Cruise for some money and a career. We can all see how well that’s working out! LOL!! The play isn’t selling tickets, her movies are bombs and everyone thinks she’s a idiot!
Go home to Ohio Katie. You’re pathetic!!!!!!!!!!
I forgot to add that Katie looks like death warmed over in these latest pictures. Seriously what happened to that girl?
Does Katie believe in Scientology? That’s something interesting to ponder. She has spoken of taking some classes and placed that experience in a favorable light. But that was when she first met Tom Cruise.
Can anyone find it on record where she has spoken of it, or her involvement in it, since? And words Tom put into her mouth do not count.
Of course if she isn’t allowed to speak of it, and interviewers aren’t allowed to ask, then I guess we’ll never really know.
I’m inclined to think the idols Katie worships are more or the gold variety. Or plastic.
The Scientologists will be here in a few minutes to defend the wife of their precious messiah.
Don’t believe it. They lie and scream bigotry, but the truth is Scientologists are more bigoted than anyone here. They believe all black people are “mud people” and not as good as whites. They believe anyone who is not a Scientologist needs to be disposed of. They believe anyone who needs psychiatric medications needs to be locked up and kept away from the population, they believe their way is the only way. They believe all Psychiatrists need to be killed. What religion believes things like that?????!!!!!?????? It’s sick.
Get educated about Scientology and tell those Scientologists to go to hell. Good for Anonymous. They are good people calling attention to a cult! I hope Katie gets out before it swallows her up.
What an awful thingto do.
Who are these people to harrass Holmes for choosinga religion they disagree with?
Katie really sold her soul getting involved with that wacky cult.
He never said Scientology wasn’t a religion, #11
Who says she HAD to give it up, #14
Anyone’s religion is their business and their business alone, #24. Who are they to try to ’save’ her?
You always ‘conveniently’ miss such pics even thought they’re only a clock away, #26
TomKat never did that, #35
Mav, Tom has spoken for her in an interview, when he said “we’re just scientologists” , this happen just a few moths later than when he said that people could have a different religion and scientology too. It is well known that Katie ws Catholic, and the all of a sudden he said that.
That was what made me think that KH was a wimp with no beliefs of her own, easily to be brainwashed, she really thinks that TC is her prince, ha, why didn’t he changed his religion for her?
Read some L. Ron Hubbard quotes! Katie needs to get out of Scientology FAST!
“Rather than give psychotics such treatment it would be far kinder to kill
them immediately and completely…”
* - L. Ron Hubbard, “Science of Survival”, p117
“ENEMY — SP Order. Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.”
“A Suppressive Person or Group becomes fair game. By FAIR GAME is meant, may not be further protected by the codes and disciplines or the rights of a Scientologist.”
“The homes, property, places and abodes of persons who have been active in attempting to: suppress Scientology or Scientologists are all beyond any protection of Scientology Ethics, unless absolved by later Ethics or an amnesty … this Policy Letter extends to suppressive non-Scientology wives and husbands and parents, or other family members or hostile groups or even close friends.”
L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Policy Letter, April 1965
“There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose of them quietly and without sorrow.
“The sudden and abrupt deletion of all individuals occupying the lower bands of the tone scale from the social order would result in an almost instant rise in the cultural tone and would interrupt the dwindling spiral into which any society may have entered. It is not necessary to produce a world of clears in order to have a reasonable and worthwhile social order; it is only necessary to delete those individuals who range from 2.0 down, either by processing them enough to get their tone level above the 2.0 line - a task which, indeed, is not very great, since the amount of processing in many cases might be under fifty hours, although it might also in others be in excess of two hundred - or simply quarantining them from the society.
“A Venezuelan dictator once decided to stop leprosy. He saw that most lepers in his country were also beggars. By the simple expedient of collecting and destroying all the beggars in Venezuela an end was put to leprosy in that country.”
#40
It is not a religion. It is a cult that has tax-exempt religious standing because they were able to convince/harass/bully/lobby the right folks into giving them that status.
It is a dangerous cult. If you have been reading the posts on it then you would know that Clinton.
I am assuming from past readings on Anonymous and their masked antics that many of the members have been hurt by Scientology.
Perhaps you should read up on it first before making inane opinions on a blog that has a lot of informed folks about scientology. She chose this cult or was blinded by love.
Look at the YouTube videos of Tommy boy making an ass out of himself over it. He is laughing like a loon as he spouts their hocus pocus crap. His videos are totally scary. If the rest of the cult is like him, we need to educate people on it as they are dangerous. Read about it Clinton and you will see if you can read about it with an open mind.
Oh lord….the freak known as “Clinton”, “Jefferson”, “Roosevelt” etc etc etc has arrived. What a pathetic idiot he/she/IT is.
Scientology was created by Ron L Hubbard to stroke the ego of the rich and famous. He also must have had a falling out with someone who worked in the health care industry. The more money you have the higher you move up the rankings. I find it funny that Cruise is a high school drop-out yet prides himself on being an expert in health care. He is only repeating what a higher up told him and making a HUGE bafoon out of himself. This “religion” is stupid and dangerous.
Fans (like Clinton) who love Tom Cruise hate free speech.
Clinton wants us to stop talking badly about a celebrity’s behavior as it happens right in front of our eyes, but thinks it’s okay to pass judgments on those he has never met, seen or spoken to.
Clinton is not only misinformed, he’s a huge hypocrite.
Clinton is much like his idol Tom Cruise, his ignorance only matched by his arrogance.
Clinton believes any negative comments about Tom Cruise or his aging, depressed wife should be censored and only the positive allowed.
Clinton tries to argue every point made, even when he is repeatedly proven false. He keeps coming back, keeps trying to distract, keeps changing his words.
Clinton is quick to draw the prejudice and bigotry card.
Clinton claims he is not a Scientologist, yet follows their method of attack down to the letter.
OH LOOK! It’s our resident Scientologist, Clinton/Jefferson/Truman!! LOL!
“He never said Scientology wasn’t a religion, #11″
Hubbard said it wasn’t a religion! Read something other than gossip mags and quotes from Tom and Katie’s PR people. Get educated. Do some research. Until then, STFU!
“Who says she HAD to give it up, #14″
Can’t you read Clinton? YOU CANNOT BE A CATHOLIC AND A SCIENTOLOGIST. Tom Cruise is a liar. It’s called mixing practices and it’s against Scientology laws. Look it up you ignorant git! Google is your friend.
“Anyone’s religion is their business and their business alone, #24. Who are they to try to ’save’ her?”
It’s not just Katie’s business when her “religion” is responsible for many deaths, human rights abuses and other disgusting things. Anonymous has the right to protest. End of story. Oh and again, Get educated. You’re totally ignorant. There’s more to this world than fansites and PR releases from Tomkat
“You always ‘conveniently’ miss such pics even thought they’re only a clock away, #26″
Katie looks like sh*t. Everyone agrees but you. Deal with it.
“TomKat never did that, #35″
He didn’t disconnect because his entire famiy are Scientologists. As far as Katie’s family goes, how often to you see them? Every once in a while. The minute they say anything against Scientology, they are GONE and won’t be seen at all.
That is beyond ridiculous. They are not trying to help Katie Holmes they are trying to draw attention to themselves.
Oh god, just leave this girl and her husband laone alredy, they have the right to worship a stone if they want to!
[quote]TomKat never did that, #35[/quote]
If you are referring to cutting off family, Tom got his whole family to convert. The only one who didn’t was his mother’s second husband. Notice where he fits into the happy picture now?
As to Katie’s family, it would depend on just how deep she is in. I for one suspect she is still in the ‘courting’ stage. Tom can say whatever he wants in an interview. It rarely makes it true.
And to whatever, I believe that “falling out” you mentioned happened on a larger scale. The other psychiatrists wouldn’t let L.Ron into their club, and apprently he held a big grudge.
I’m sorry but people who are brainwashed allow themselves to be brainwashed. Nobody ever talks about that because we see them as victims but brainwashing isn’t a drug you force on someone who can’t fight you off, it is suggestions and ideas that the other person has to process throught their own rational mind and choose to cast off rationality to believe it. Everyone knows someone like that too. Someone who chooses to be led by others. Katie has made a choose. Don’t punish the other actors in the play because of that.
Glad to hear the “anti-cult” groups are finally doing something productive again. It’s been a while.
Peaceful protests are 100% legal. Harrassment is what you do, Clinton/scientology believers/alien-huggers. Big difference.
Mav, interesting point….but looking at Kate, some would think the brainwashing from the cult has flipped the “normal” switch off in her mind (sort of like Clinton/Jefferson/Truman/twinkleshoes switch is long gone..ha, ha). She’s submissive to the point of concern from many in the anti-scientology community. However, she’s grown and can choose whatever idiotic path in life she wants. If she wants to believe the stupid “principles” of aliens/SP’s/L.Ron/Tom/ then she only proves her stupidity to those of us that realize the insanity is now bleeding from her pores.. Peaceful protests are fine, and in this case, hysterical to some of us.
I won’t pay one cent to the cult, or anyone associated with it, and it’s my job not to, but I’d like to be a fly on the wall during the protest. I’d be the fly laughing my wings off. I ponder, however, the impact of the protest. If it’s successful, the protest group will be held responsible for her miserable performance on stage…not her miserable performing as it is. There’s always an excuse. Always. I hate for the protest group to be blamed for her shoddy acting. She’s fading to black, just like TC managed to do. Funny how those that “just know” everything manage to ruin themselves from the inside out and the outside in. It’s simply fantastic to observe.
Ugh, this whole hatred of scientology is so boring. All religions are cults. Get over it. It’s time to loathe Tom and Katie for some valid reasons, like they’re boring and have zero talent.
Oh god, just leave this girl and her husband laone alredy, they have the right to worship a stone if they want to!
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That’s right, they do. However, ANONYMOUS ALSO HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTEST. Read the constitution. The rights given to us in that document don’t only cover Tom and Katie. They cover the Anonymous protesters as well.
If Tom and Katie want to be part of Scientology, so be it. BUT they have to be prepared to deal with the many people who see it at a damaging, destructive cult that is harming our society. That’s life.
Besides, something most people don’t understand is that Anonymous does not want to stop TC and KH from practising Scientology. That’s their business. They want to stop the spread of the cult and bring the crimes of the management to everyone’s attention. It’s Anonymous’s right to do so.
Clinton:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFBZ_uAbxS0
This is scary stuff. Don’t say this is normal, it isn’t. They are the only ones that can stop at an accident? Save the world? Have ethics? Haha.If you are a scientologist, you see life, you see the way things are? Puh-Leez. And then he laughs his maniac life. Around 4:35.
5:50ish - he wants to go on vacation, but he can’t you know? You Know? This is so lame. He has to stay home to contribute, to carry his load.
7:05 it is “our” responsibility to educate and create that new reality. This is the way it should be done…”
Who the hell is he to say what is right and what is wrong?
8:47 he starts laughing like a loon again.
Or this one where he is saluting L Ron Hubbard (who is a wifebeater, gay hater, women hating slug).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-C-wupe76E&feature=related
Yeah Clinton I’d say Scientology is a harmless religion. GET SOME GLASSES AND A BRAIN.
A Concerned Person @ 09/02/2008 at 12:56 pm
Even Tom Cruise has said that Scientology is not a religion, he said you can be a Christian and a Scientologist at the same time.
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If they aren’t a religion, they sure get religion status and all the tax breaks that comes with it. Their god might be a now dead, but formerly deranged science Fiction writer, but he’s still god to them. The term religion is a very board one.
OOOOOHHHHH….well put #56!!!!!!!
#55…wrong. All religions are NOT cults. I am a child of God. Period. I just don’t shove Him down anyone’s throat, or think I’m better than anyone else because of my belief in Him. Scientologist cult members do the opposite and wish to destroy everyone outside of their cult, and mostly the Christians. Now, why do Christians worry a senseless cult? Hmmmm….more to ponder.
Bigotry of this kind is growing in America. What next, people picketing gay actors? This is how it all begins. Anonymous should go to court if they have any problem.
I am sure public opinion is going to go against them.
No one ever listens to these losers. No one will.
What a stupid thing to do. Isn’t the US supposed to be a democracy?
Live and let live. Leave the girl alone, she really seems like such a nice woman.
Time magazine described $cientology as:
“… A CULT OF GREED
Ruined lives.
Lost fortunes.
Federal crimes.
Scientology poses as a religion but really is a ruthless global scam - and aiming for the mainstream …”
xenu (dot) net/archive/media/time910605.html
Lola and Justin:
You wouldn’t be scientologists would you?
Anonymous has already said they have no plans to disrupt the performance. Just show people the evilness of the cult by protesting. Aside from that Tommy-idiot is suppose to show up with all his sci-fi friends in tow as well as the Beckhams etc. So if there is a zoo created, he will be the one creating it.
“What a stupid thing to do. Isn’t the US supposed to be a democracy?”
What a stupid thing to say. Yes, it is supposed to be a democracy…
…which is why everyone has the right to free speech. Free speech and the right to gather in protest was kind of how this particular democracy was born.
I can’t believe intelligent and informed people would want to villify this group for exercising that right, when there are volumes upon volumes of legal documentation and court records—-out there for anyone to read, should they choose to do their research—-on all the more underhanded and terrorist ways Scientologists have chosen to carry out their own forms of “protests” and scare tactics.
I only wish the right to free speech here on this board was preceded by a tiny bit of education and research. It might help.
love her
So classy a lady and I adore her
Save Katie? lololol they need to save themselves from their own lunacy and having a life.
#44, that is frightening stuff. I’ve always felt this was a cult, based on what I have read, but was more convinced when Tom sucked Katie into this, and no doubt why he ditched Nicole, who probably would not have any of it!!
God bless her
thanks jj
so nice for these losers to give their money to watch Katie.
they are more dangerous than Scientology with their hate and
ignorance and acting so self-righteous
they are like the anti war protestors at St.Paul damaging properties
giving Democrats and peaceful anti war people a bad name
She is so lovely and I wish her luck!!!
Anonymous: every person can choose their belief and religion.
Dont run people’s lives. THIS IS AMERICA NOT IRAN OR EVEN CHINA.
There are more people in need than Katie Holmes like supporting our troops,their families,ill Americans and homeless people from Katrina and Gustav. See the real problems and priorities not the petty ones.
Such blind causes these twits are.
I cant wait for her tv show and I really wish I can see her live in Broadway too. Too expensive for me.
Anybody else notice how cult supporters tend to post in groups? I wouldn’t doubt that they come from similar IP addresses.
$cientologists like to send out emails instructing their members to post in defense of $cientology and it’s members or to try and discredit and attack the critics.
Examples of such emails have been leaked instructing members to pose as ordinary concerned citizens in letter writing campaigns used to further their own insidious goals.
#75: It’s probably just one or two people who post over and over.
I’ve noticed that the “most beautiful’ and “god bless this perfect family” and “Katie is like Jackie O or Audrey Hepburn” posts come all in a bunch. I also noticed that the poster uses the exact same phrasing and it seems that English is not their original language.
I’m 100% positive it is all the same person.
#75 - 77 and the numerous others…..
Exactly.
Natalie…you really hit it.
she’s so cute and love her jeans
WELL SAID DANCER.. MAV…. RESCUE59 .. WHERE IS DALE???? DID i GO THROUGH TO FAST???? hey Clinton also…. I left you guys, an update on the last Roger shoes posts… I think mine is the last one on that post… About that Ex-minder.. LOL LOL… Please read you all and get back to me on THIS site….. It is becoming quite a fiasco, says my friend… Susan ( my friend in Malibu ) goes to the restaurant every other night or so after work, to unwind, But just so she can see this person…. Now this odd posting about katie has cropped up today, about scientology all of a sudden when her’s is usually about fashion or Suri…. Hey RESCUE 59, i AGREE that Katie HAS that vacant stare.. Maybe a worrisome look…. AGREE WITH YOU GUYS ON THIS….. Write back soon !!!!!!!!
this cruel judgements always has comeuppance.
remember the anti Cruise fan that killed herself.
that soul gnashes her teeth in hell
scientology is a criminally convicted UFO cult. Still think its a religion? Check out exscientologykids.com to find out the truth.
Thanks Jared: keep the photos coming
many are watching the pics of Katie,Suri and Tom and even lowlives give their eyeballs and precious time for them.
I agree with the radio host this morning the mask people only
made people hear more about Katie’s broadway show.
TO Dancer again… After thinking about it, katie has NEVER talked about Scientology in the press as far as I know… In fact, at the big Celebrity Scientolgy Centre annual dinner, held outside there ( http://www.celebitchy.com ) Tom and Katie FAILED to show up. You may be able to go to that site and archive that . It was about 6 weeks ago. It showed eleborate tables and entertainment, flowers, candles, and catered food. But the headlines were, CRUISES A NO-SHOW… ” The Centre wondered where he was”. Leah Remini also pulled a NO-show at the beginning, BUT showed up when people were leaving, angering some ” higher-ups”. ( same article )……. This was on other sites as well with different helicopter pictures and celebrites giving interviews. ( as well as the hired help, they said ) $$$$$$$. She left ” in a huff” after a few minutes not talking to anyone, according to the paparazzi’s allowed to enter for PROMO sake. ( according to online site )….. Sounds like the Remini’s and the Cruises did NOT like the dinner company that night OR the food. LOL
I love nothing more for Tom to run as President of America with Lady Katie at his side. McCain for Pres. and Palin for Vice.
The way some people in this site attack Katie and her family. The way some knocked them down when they did nothing wrong. They only get my empathy and sympathy. They will only prevail.
I want her shoes. label of the shoes.please??!!
Katie is classy with a Capital C.
They definitely hold a place in my heart and I cant resist by saying they have it all and I sure miss Tom.
Not exactly a great idea by ANNONYMOUS, pickett a Scientologist I can understand, but to support a Scientologist by PURCHASING tickets to her play makes no sense to me. If you want to make a statement stand outside quietly, don’t support her by buying tickets…. It makes no sense!
I also find this hypocritical because Tom Cruise was blasted as this self-righteous creep for shoving his beliefs down a poor woman’s throat (which he was by the way) without consideration and now these anti-Scientology freaks are doing the same thing!
Let me guess? It’s okay because Scientology is big bad cult so you have every right to be self-righteous and intolerant if you’re trying to ’save’ people?
People convert to their spouses’ religions ALL the time, #43.
Whatever the hell it is, it’s someone’s personal belief system and they shouldn’t be harassed about it, #45. This is a free country and while you can protest anything you dislike, you can also believe in whatever makes you happy.
TomKat has NOTHIng to do with whatever evil some Scientologists are doing.
Cruise never said Scientology wasn’t a religion, #49. Prove me wrong and I’ll stop saying this.
I said, who said Holmes HAD to give it up as if she had no choice? You can’t force someone to join a religion.
It is her business to believe in whatever she wants to believe. If you want to attack these evil Scientologists, attack the evil Scientologists and not the harmless celebrities. There’s a saying that goes, ‘Hate the sin and not the sinner.’
It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing. It’s about photographic evidence.
We see Holmes with her family alot of times. Even if it was miniscule, it disproves your whole ‘disconnection’ rumor anyway.
Right, #50 and #51.
That could have been a coincidence #52. Prove your claims or don’t say anything at all.
Never said they weren’t legal, #54. Just morally wrong in this case. If they were protesting the Scientology Center or high-ranking members that actually do the evil things but not celebrities who are private believers.
I’m not a Scientologist or against free speech. TomKat sin’t fading away any time soon.
And attacking this poor girl’s play rather than something actually Scientology-related is right, #56.
I don’t think ANY religion is harmless, #57.
Right, #60 and #62. This is very disgusting behavior.
No, #64. Don’t blame this mess on TomKat now. Anonymous is the one in the wrong.
And what about freedom of religion, #65? You’re twisting the constitution so you can justify this legal but nevertheless immoral protest.
Lucky fans that will get to
see Katie in Arthur Miller.
Dying to know about her chemistry
opposite hottie Patrick Wilson.
If you want to attack these evil Scientologists, attack the evil Scientologists and not the harmless celebrities. There’s a saying that goes, ‘Hate the sin and not the sinner.’
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Huh? Tom Cruise IS the celebrity who is the BIGGEST spokesman/salesman for Scientology out there right now. He insists that all journalists who want to interview him first take a three hour tour of the Scientology Center, read their pamphlets and eat their cookies. He attacked the practice of psychiatry and women suffering from post-partum depression on national TV in the name of Scientology. His best friend, best man and honeymoon companion was/is David Miscavige, the chairman of the board. Tom Cruise would like to see a day when no suppressive persons exist–that meaning anyone who doesn’t agree with Scientology.
You write and write and write and make such little sense. Though you have the distinction of being the only TomKat fan who can construct a sentence with elements of basic grammar and spelling.
And why do you address each poster like they were talking to you, Clinton Lord of the Dark? Because they weren’t.
Jared you make my day with this Katie,Tom and Suri updates. I really believe Katie is the “one” for Tom and Im so happy for them.
FYI, there are only two pro-Cruise/Holmes people on JustJared. Clinton/Roosevelt/Whatever Name He Picks and the Wanna-Be Scieno with dozens of i.d.’s. I hope both of you are getting paid for your efforts.
In the book of Matthew and Romans Jesus teaches us not to judge others or we will be judged too. The standards we use on others will also be done unto us. Leave the judging to the Lord because we are not alove the law. We are all going to be in the judgement seat of God someday.
keep it up Jared
I encourage the protest because it will just backfire. Im reading many sites and sites that even loathe Cruise see this AntiScientology as dangerous and a laughingstock. Some even name nasty names for their group. Tom and Katie who remain graceful throughout will only come out as the hero and shero from all this.
I laugh them saying this group knows no difference of All my Sons and All my Children. They dig the comment too they are not powerful to shut down the play but to only get some attention.
But my favorite of all was the comment this crusaders of about 7 or 8 people wearing white masks looking like the terrorists from V from Vendetta, Jabbawockeez dance crew or the Phantom from Phantom of Opera.
LOL!
TomKat has NOTHIng to do with whatever evil some Scientologists are doing.
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Really, Dracula/Clinton?!?!?! How the hell do you know that?
Cruise and Holmes just gave 5 MILLION DOLLARS to those “evil” Scientologists and Cruise supports them in any way he can. Hell….he shilled for them on TV! That’s a pretty big contribution. They’re supporting an evil cult and they need to be called on their irresponsible behavior.
You’re the most obnoxious idiot to ever grace any board I’ve been to. You’re arrogant and ignorant and that’s a dangerous combination.
ANONYMOUS is doing the right thing. They are not going to be inside the theater. They will protest peacefully OUTSIDE THE THEATER on opening night to call attention to a cult who is responsible for many deaths, stealing money, abusing human rights…etc. They have their own concentration camps for members who misbehave! That’s NOT a religion you ignorant dimwit!
You’re twisting the constitution so you can justify this legal but nevertheless immoral protest.
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Twisting the Constitution?!?!? OMG! You really are an idiot.
Have you ever heard of the articles that concern the right to free speech and the right to assembly. Both are Constitutional rights afforded to all Americans including anonymous.
Anon has a right to protest this cult. It’s so bad it’s being investigated by the FBI and is on a cult watch list in Europe.
Perhaps you should do some research on the cult as well as Constitutional law before you open your ignorant mouth.
And what about freedom of religion
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Scientology is not a religion. It’s a cult.
What of the adults who are held as virtual prisoners in forced labor camps (google scientology + RPF) in California and Florida?
What of the children who are abused–who are denied schooling while forced to work long long days performing menial labor? (google Jenna Miscavige and Astra Woodcraft or just go to http://www.ex-scientologykids.com).
What of the desperate addicts who are riipped off in the faux-addiction rehabilitation program Narconon.
And that is just the tip of the criminal scam abuse iceberg.
@moi
Yeah, I’d say that’s dead on, but there’s one more person who posts under a whole bunch of aliases, usually some variation of “god bless this family” or “katie is classy like audrey hepburn”, not sure if they’re a Scientologist or not, maybe not.
First of all, I hate night shift, but it pays better.
Next….#94? Fantastic. The final line..priceless
Another…#100 Yep. I’m totally with you.
Victoria..the good one…Hey! Change your name…it’s confusing…maybe “THE GOOD VICTORIA”?
No! We don’t have a kicker for your football team!! LOL! “Desperate scientology” was another LOL! Sorry about the Vol’s. It’s early…give ‘em time and keep rooting! Fans make the team! Now, on to serious stuff…Your friend’s “friend” in Malibu….hmmm. Tell her by all means to be careful. It’s risky. Never give out the name of the place they meet, for the record. Personally, I wouldn’t believe too much. This “ex” person could be trying to convert her. They are very, very sly and somewhat smart. And remember, ex-cult members need a form of “detox” to awaken the dead part of their brains, and that takes time and work. And yes, I think you can post anything you want without fear of actual retribution from anyone. The people that post on here time after time are monitored. Nobody on here is worth worrying over, even the low OT’s in their crappy shacks, that are paid ($3 week, no kidding) to post lovely things about the cult.. Just stay away from the cult and it can’t hurt you. Now, I wouldn’t suggest you start a “anti-scientology” website, they’ll harass you to the point of paranoia and nobody needs that without serious training. Honestly, I don’t think TC is attempting to out himself from the cult…I feel it’s at best, public relations gone wrong. He is too dumb and too far gone to leave. They’d stick him in a box and brainwash the remaining brain cell he has until he came around. Too bad, so sad. He wasn’t a child born into the cult like poor, cute Suri. He had a choice. If it’s biting him in the rear, so be it. It’s a known fact that he agrees with the “strong arm” tactics and has been aware of the extreme harassment (and worse) to ex-members and “SP’s”. We all have hard lessons to learn, correct? I mean, come on….you’ve read their belief system…it’s for idiots. Empty souls are exactly what they are searching to fill the void. Sad, yet interesting. And, the police aren’t scared..that’s a scientology remark to cause fear, as that’s how they try to control everyone within the cult and outside the cult.. The police may be a bit uninformed, but the government, the FBI, etc. are not ding-bats. They watch and they wait. Remember, this cult has “church status”. It’s dealt with differently. Nobody want’s another Waco on their hands.
And I feel the need to comment regarding “karma’s” (#97)remark….yes, correct. But sometimes it’s necessary to confront evil, not avoid it, embrace it, coddle it, or hug it. Evil is evil. Sometimes it’s better for someone to stand up for what/whom they believe in. You can call it karma coins, or whatever, but I call it another jewel in my crown. Besides, it’s just a comment board. We lucky ducks get to comment any which way we want…and it’s okay. God won’t be angry with me for standing firm on some things.
Victoria (the good one)…have a great day…and don’t worry!
Why is it that those who support the cult and it’s followers don’t seem to know a thing about that cult and “tomkat’s” connection with it? Anybody who’s done even 5 minutes of research can see that it is a CRIMINAL cult and Tom and Katie are it’s accomplices. They actively recruit more victims into that cult, not all of whom have been as high profile as Will & Jada and Victoria & Hot soccer guy.
They are sheltered from the ugly side of that cult and may be unwitting accomplices, but it is time they opened their eyes to the truth. If scathing public opinion is the only thing that will open their eyes to the reality of their situation… well as they say, “no pain, no gain.”
Hey Clinton, here is another interesting clip from a well respected news agency… MSNBC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqKA3w6T2U&NR=1
Here is another one, it is grapic and much more disturbing than the first, but it has been documented and there is proof of what is being claimed by the videogropher. Please pay close attention to this one. You will understand where the attacks on Tom and Scientology are coming from. It is a dangerous CULT, not only to the people who follow it, but to the ones who refuse to.
This information has been made public, can you emagine what they have been able to cover up?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU&NR=1
#75, Natalie. Is that really true? If it is I find it disturbing!
He supports his religion financially like other religious people do but what the hell does he have to do with threatening the FBI or locking people up in closets or any of that, #100? Same can be said about Katie Holmes and Leah Remini and Jason Lee and the Travoltas and most Scientologists.
You’ll only stop harassing them until they actually leave their faith which is outrageous. This is a free country.
No. Anonymous is the arrogant one for trying to ‘Save Katie’ and ignorant for not realizing that Holmes and the play have nothing to do with Scientology and she has the right to believe in whatever she wants to believe.
No one said they CAN’T do this; just that they SHOULDN’T be doing this.
Ever heard of freedom of religion, #101?
You’re twisting things, #102. Scientology IS a belief system and anyone has the right to believe in it’s doctrines without fear of harassment.
Just because you disagree with Scientology it doesn’t give you the right to try to control people lives for ‘their own good.’
They aren’t accomplices, #105. The Smiths and the Beckhams aren’t Scientologists. How many times are they going to deny that?
I’m sure they’re well aware of the bad public opinion but what do you want them to do? Actually leave their faith?
I hate ALL religions, #106. Scientology included. I think they’re all dangerous but you’re not gonna make me want to twist the constitution and harass private practitioners of ANY faith.
Dracula, which I think is a perfect name for you Clinton, I am not asking you to twist anything. I want you to SEE just a small prtion of the DOCUMENTED violations of basic HUMAN RIGHTS that this CULT has committed.
~It is there for you in black and white to read if you chose to, but I doubt you will because then you cannot continue to defend it if you have an ounce of HUMAN DECENCY in you.
~Did you click on the links that I provided for you? I want you to understand why there are such strong feelings towards this group, that you insist on defending. Who was there to defend the people that lost their lives at the hands of this “RELIGION”?
~I do not think that Tom, or Katie are responsible for any of that stuff, but what you need to understand is that they are outspoken supporters of the PEOPLE who are RESPONSIBLE. You do not see Tom speek of these ATROCITIES probably because he is so brainwashed into believing that they never happened.
~I am not attacking anyone. I am stating FACTS. Is that not what you demand of the people who post here? I have given you the links to the facts that I and countless others have been saying. You cannot deny what we are saying once you take the time to look it up. Have you looked it up?
~I would like to know if you have looked up ANY information reguarding Scientology be it good or bad, and what your take is on some of the information that is there at your fingertips. If you haven’t please take the time to do so.
~There are young adults who have left Scientology that tell the same stories repeatedly. I do not believe that they are in collusion with eachother. Do you?
Hey DALE… NIGHTHIFT ???? UGH !!!! I did that one for two years only…. Could not handle it after children…. Thanks for the comments ! I never thought about that person maybe recruiting Susan. ( my friend ). So I e-mailed her to warn about that. I find it weird, that she would share ( that person ) her financial statements with Susan to PROVE that she was once an EX member. Plus she had some sort of I.D. Badge ( ? )…. Do they have these so called badges in their organization ? AND if they do, what for? Hers was out-dated by two years and had a weird bar code strip on the side, Susan noticed. She guessed it was to get her into their main door maybe. ( after hours ? )……… ( twilight zone music here ? ) LOL…. I wonder why the Cruises did NOT attend the main Scientology dinner…. and why Remini was so late…. Maybe now I”M looking for something, who knows. I went on line to really study this Scientology and was shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also watched some of the ” videoyoutubes” that other people have posted on this site……. VERY SCAREY and DISTURBING…… I wanted to change my locks on the doors. It started me thinking that IF any of this nonsense OR crap were TRUE, Katie’s demeanor ( OR LACK OF ) would make sense. Especially from where she was a year ago. Happier and heathier looking…… MAYBE, she IS scared some. Who knows. By the way, I took your advice. I changed to the GOOD VICTORIA !! There are 2 others on this site also….. Maybe that will help.. Thanks, your’e funny… If you talk too MAV…..DANCER….RESCUE59…. TELL THEM TO READ ABOUT THE LAST SITE ON THE ROGIER SHOES SITE ON KATIE AND THEN THIS ONE, ……Oh, I will always be a VOLUNTEER GIRL…. GO VOLS !!!!! Just got sad for a second… See ya later!!!
G’Luck with the play Katie. I cant wait to hear her upcoming projects along with Tom. Im happy Valkyrie is out this year instead of 2009.
#107 KrissyKitty, if you go to the enturb.org forums and look under the category “leaks/legal” and you can find many leaked examples of how they use this method to manipulate political and other matters for their benefit. Since they are classified as a non-profit organization (NOT religion), they have absolutely NO business meddling in political affairs. That is why they instruct their members to act as “ordinary concerned citizens.” This is a practice they extend to dealing with the media as well.
They also instruct their members not to read anything negative about the cult (and take extensive measures to ensure that they don’t).
Wikileaks also has a rather large category for leaked $cientology documents.
Natalie thank you for the link. I noticed a couple things after listening and reading some of the info from wikileaks.
1: alot of double talk and, in the end not saying anything enlightening or informative, yet treated as though they have just given you the answer to any question you might have had and it is all you would ever need to know. To me it was all very confusing.
2: This is EXACTLY the way TC spoke in his Scientolo int. that no one was supposed to ever see. They know all the answers and solutions to every problem, but give none of those anwers.
I don’t know if it is just me but I found it confusing and really annoying. Like darnit if you know the way to save humanity from itself well then lets here it, stop keeping it to yourself! lol!!
It is just a bunch of b.s. to me.
Dont usually care for her but I wish her play the best & and I can see the Jackie Kennedy resemblance with Holmes. The cast had some new interviews out in NY and they all spoke highly of Katie.
Now where did you hear that he insists on making journalists go on tours, #94. Just link me.
Cruise doesn’t run Scientology though. But if Anonymous did want to get at Cruise who they think is their biggest spokesperson/salesman, go picket HIS movies or productions. Holmes has nothing to do with this.
Yes. One of his best friends is David Miscavige who actually runs Scientology. Protest HIM.
All he said was that he wishes no suppressive person should exist. Don’t infer any morbid or otherwise things into that.
You critics only see what you want to see. Maybe that’s why I make no sense to you. You still haven’t told me what Holmes has to do with any of this, you barely proved why Cruise should be attacked, why they’re not protesting something relevant and what could possibly be right from ’saving’ a person from their chosen faith.
This is a forum and I address all comments, which are all subject to praise or criticism, that interests me.
Jesus Christ, #109! I know already! I know all about Big Bad Scientology!
But you’re not gonna get me into letting me agree with you justifying harassing and innocent person for their chosen faith!
That’s what you’re doing! You’re trying to justify something you know is wrong because you think twisting the constitution for this one (it always starts with one) exception will help rid the world of Scientology! But at what cost?!
I never even defended Scientology! Point to me where I did and I will never post here again!
I BELIEVE that Scientology is BAD! I BELIEVE that ALL religions are BAD!
But I also believe that you have the right to believe whatever nonsense you want without harassment!
I don’t remember TomKat ever cheering for people who locked women up in closets and threatened families.
Dracula, here is a link to a much publicized interview with Cruise:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,353577,00.html
It is evident to me that you’ve not done very much research on the subject at all.
Again, Tom and Katie use their fame and influence as a PR and recruiting tool to turn those who admire them into victims of their cult. They ARE accomplices to a criminal organization, whether they realize it or not. It’s time they learned the truth by whatever method is necessary.
Have you heard the stories of the victims? Have you read their court affidavits detailing the horrors they’ve survived? Have you seen the tears of those who have lost their loved ones because of it? Can you explain all the suicides and mysterious deaths that occur to it’s members and critics?
What exactly is your goal here? Do you just want to see how well you can hold up in a debate about a subject you know little about?
Do you just not care about $cientology’s documented criminal history SO MUCH that you feel compelled to convince us that we shouldn’t either?
What I like most about Katie is not her fashion,beauty or she has acting chops but her personality. She has family values,she is so grounded, she is no sex and the city but is so real and down to earth.
Nothing mean about her and she is world famous but still quite
a normal girl.
You just don’t get it Dracula!
Tom Cruise it THE number 2 man of a “religion” that has harassed, threatened, stalked/followed people who have either left the cult, or have vocally spoken out against their illegal activities. The more vocal you are against them the harder they come after you. Can you tell me anything GOOD about that?
Why doesn’t Nicole ever speak out about why she left? What influence do they have over her that she cannot speak up? If there is no threat then why not speak of her experience with them. Former Auditors themselves have stated that the info. that they gain from their sessions is used a blackmail
Scientology has stolen monies from it’s members. I could go on an on with reasons as to why Scientology is dangerous.
I do not think I have attacked Katie in this thread. But I fear for her safety and that of her daughter. Scientology is very dangerous not only to the ppl who are not members but the members themselves.
Don’t you think if Tom is so vocal about Scientology than I have the right to bring his name into this? I did not make him a target he did.
If you feel you can come after me for my views on this and you have MANY times than I can defend myself and MY BELIEFS. Every time you come after me I can gurantee you that I will come right back at you.
Like you said: “But I also believe that you have the right to believe whatever nonsense you want without harassment!”
~ And you my friend are bordering on harassment.
O.K. so you know about Scientology what have you looked up?
I don’t think that you have. All you are concerned with is making sure no one hurts Katies feelings. She is a big girl and can defend herself. She doesn’t need some psycho with too much time on his hands telling everyone to stop picking on her when really all people are doing is telling their opinion that she looks like an idiot in the clothes she wears.
~It has gotten a little more serious because a group plans on protesting Scientology, which Katie is married to the #2 man and is a member herself.
~And the best of all from your mouth “All he said was that he wishes no suppressive person should exist. Don’t infer any morbid or otherwise things into that”
What exactly do you think that means? That everyone should peacefully join in their beliefs? I think not! If you refuse than you should not exists.
I know there will be no convincing you otherwise because you are stubborn and arrogant. But let me tell you this. I will keep posting here weather you like it or not
NATALIE AND MEGAN….. I went online and read and watched some of those videos out there. Very Scary !!!! I told the others, that it made me want to lock my doors after I finished…. I felt as if I were being watched. By THEM…… One video I watched where so many people just disappeared because they tried to leave, OR sue to get back their money, was horrible. ……………….Some had ODD terrible accidents…. If you two have been reading the posts above about my friend, ( past updates on Katie’s Rogier shoes site and Floral explosion site ), and a couple of the recent Suri sights. DANCER, …. MAV,…… DALE,….. AND …RESCUE 59,,,,,, HAVE OPENED my eyes to alot of things about this….. THANKS GUYS !!!! BUT, they also know I still LOVE Suri and Katie, OUTSIDE of Scientology, but we AGREE TO DISAGREE ON THIS…. LOL LOL………….. Anytime, you want to chime in with us, please free ….. And to DRACULA…………. i LEFT YOU A MESSAGE ON THE OTHER HOLMES WEBSITE….. and they ( just jared) left me a nice message that I was ” waiting moderation”…. I was commenting and agreeing with you on some things…. I have never had that happen before…. ( a comment NOT posted )… SO, don’t know what is up with that man……… It was not even nasty…… I also changed to ” good victoria “….. because there are 2 to 3 OTHER Victoria’s, on this site, and people were commenting thinking they were ME….. and it wasn’t….. See ya later guys….. To DALE…… Get some sleep…
It’s time they learned the truth, #116? I’m sure they heard all about the evils of Scientology fore ages now. How arrogant of you to harass and them and force them to change their minds on their faith.
Quit telling me I haven’t done the research on Scientology. I remember that article. It was about VOLUNTEER Scientologists ministers and information tents no one was forced to go to. No bad blood. No shouting. No hysteria. Nothing like that.
They turn people into victims of their cult? You mean they’re devout Scientologists that people find interesting decide to investigate Scientology of their volition? They’re not accomplices to anything.
I already know about Scientology. I have not defended it. Get that through your head.
You critics only see what you want to see.
Scientology is wicked, #118. I get that. Did I say otherwise? (And while Cruise is probably the most popular Scientologist, I really don’t think he runs the organization let alone is the number two man.)
NO ONE knows why Kidman and Cruise broke up. But there’s NOTHING to suggest she CAN’T speak up. Maybe she just still think it’s painful to discuss the details. We don’t know.
Did I ever say it wasn’t dangerous?
Cruise has nothing to do (at least to our knowledge) about threatening families and locking women up in closets so why is he blamed for all that no matter how vocal he is about his religion? And IS he vocal about his religion. He’s barely spoken about Scientology is years.
When did I ever attack your beliefs? You can hate Scientology and TomKat all you want. I don’t care. You can even justify twisting the bill of rights but I will comment on that since this is a forum.
I can’t stand back and do nothing when you sick people are justifying twisting the bill of rights like this. I don’t care about trivial things like her acting and fashion sense and what-not but this has nothing to do with Holmes. It’s about doing what’s right.
That saying could be interpreted in less hostile ways.
I’M stubborn and arrogant? Stubborn though not more than critics. Arrogant? Not at all.
Never said I wanted you to stop posting here.
Drac, you didn’t answer my questions. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?
You ASSUME Tom and Katie are well aware of the dangers of this cult, yet they still support it. Do you really think they would willingly participate if they knew? If so, all the MORE reason to protest.
You asked for a link where they say reporters are asked to take a tour of the cult’s celebrity center and you got it. Now you are trying to change the subject to something about their “volunteer” vulture ministers that like to target people at vulnerable times in their lives. Whatever.
You say you know about $cientology. Well, that’s funny. If you really knew enough about it, you’d know that many critics would be able to identify some of the tactics you are using to try and “handle” this comment board. Happy Staturday.
Debating $cientologists can be easy if you know their tactics. They follow these to the letter since deviating from the “tech” is really “downstat.” If you know their game, you can beat them at it easily. You will be able to identify them as easily as if you could see their vacant stare, even if they say “I am not a scientologist, but…”
They just don’t realize that their programed thinking is so patterned that they can still be identified no matter how hard they try to come across as “ordinary concerned citizens.”
Here are some examples of their “tech”:
C O N F I D E N T I A L
PR SERIES 24
HANDLING HOSTILE CONTACTS/DEAD AGENTING
http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/hostile-contacts.txt
Beware of their “acceptable truths.” These are basically lies that sound “truthy” enough that one would not feel compelled to try and verify their data.
scientology is the ****! u ppl r dumb n ignorent!!!!!!!!!!!
ugh number # 13
stfu scientology isnt a cult
ur a dumb rasist person who has a hateful heart so seriously
its religion okay not even its more of a peaceful way to better urself which u need cause ur evil!!!!!!!!
so seriously shut up and go blow on something
ur all dumb stfu
STFU UR ALL DUMB RETARDED PPL
I LUV MY RELIGION AND U CAN BE A CHRISTIAN AND A SCIENTOLOGIST AT THE SAME TIME WHY WOULD PPL LIE?????
ugh **** u
Jesus is the only way to Heaven. Turn to romans 10
whosoever calls on Him will be saved!!
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