Katie Holmes To Face Anti-Scientology Crusaders?

And what about freedom of religion
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Scientology is not a religion. It’s a cult.

What of the adults who are held as virtual prisoners in forced labor camps (google scientology + RPF) in California and Florida?

What of the children who are abused–who are denied schooling while forced to work long long days performing menial labor? (google Jenna Miscavige and Astra Woodcraft or just go to http://www.ex-scientologykids.com).

What of the desperate addicts who are riipped off in the faux-addiction rehabilitation program Narconon.

And that is just the tip of the criminal scam abuse iceberg.

First of all, I hate night shift, but it pays better.
Next….#94? Fantastic. The final line..priceless
Another…#100 Yep. I’m totally with you.
Victoria..the good one…Hey! Change your name…it’s confusing…maybe “THE GOOD VICTORIA”?
No! We don’t have a kicker for your football team!! LOL! “Desperate scientology” was another LOL! Sorry about the Vol’s. It’s early…give ‘em time and keep rooting! Fans make the team! Now, on to serious stuff…Your friend’s “friend” in Malibu….hmmm. Tell her by all means to be careful. It’s risky. Never give out the name of the place they meet, for the record. Personally, I wouldn’t believe too much. This “ex” person could be trying to convert her. They are very, very sly and somewhat smart. And remember, ex-cult members need a form of “detox” to awaken the dead part of their brains, and that takes time and work. And yes, I think you can post anything you want without fear of actual retribution from anyone. The people that post on here time after time are monitored. Nobody on here is worth worrying over, even the low OT’s in their crappy shacks, that are paid ($3 week, no kidding) to post lovely things about the cult.. Just stay away from the cult and it can’t hurt you. Now, I wouldn’t suggest you start a “anti-scientology” website, they’ll harass you to the point of paranoia and nobody needs that without serious training. Honestly, I don’t think TC is attempting to out himself from the cult…I feel it’s at best, public relations gone wrong. He is too dumb and too far gone to leave. They’d stick him in a box and brainwash the remaining brain cell he has until he came around. Too bad, so sad. He wasn’t a child born into the cult like poor, cute Suri. He had a choice. If it’s biting him in the rear, so be it. It’s a known fact that he agrees with the “strong arm” tactics and has been aware of the extreme harassment (and worse) to ex-members and “SP’s”. We all have hard lessons to learn, correct? I mean, come on….you’ve read their belief system…it’s for idiots. Empty souls are exactly what they are searching to fill the void. Sad, yet interesting. And, the police aren’t scared..that’s a scientology remark to cause fear, as that’s how they try to control everyone within the cult and outside the cult.. The police may be a bit uninformed, but the government, the FBI, etc. are not ding-bats. They watch and they wait. Remember, this cult has “church status”. It’s dealt with differently. Nobody want’s another Waco on their hands.
And I feel the need to comment regarding “karma’s” (#97)remark….yes, correct. But sometimes it’s necessary to confront evil, not avoid it, embrace it, coddle it, or hug it. Evil is evil. Sometimes it’s better for someone to stand up for what/whom they believe in. You can call it karma coins, or whatever, but I call it another jewel in my crown. Besides, it’s just a comment board. We lucky ducks get to comment any which way we want…and it’s okay. God won’t be angry with me for standing firm on some things.
Victoria (the good one)…have a great day…and don’t worry!

Hey Clinton, here is another interesting clip from a well respected news agency… MSNBC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgqKA3w6T2U&NR=1

Here is another one, it is grapic and much more disturbing than the first, but it has been documented and there is proof of what is being claimed by the videogropher. Please pay close attention to this one. You will understand where the attacks on Tom and Scientology are coming from. It is a dangerous CULT, not only to the people who follow it, but to the ones who refuse to.

This information has been made public, can you emagine what they have been able to cover up?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU&NR=1

He supports his religion financially like other religious people do but what the hell does he have to do with threatening the FBI or locking people up in closets or any of that, #100? Same can be said about Katie Holmes and Leah Remini and Jason Lee and the Travoltas and most Scientologists.

You’ll only stop harassing them until they actually leave their faith which is outrageous. This is a free country.

No. Anonymous is the arrogant one for trying to ‘Save Katie’ and ignorant for not realizing that Holmes and the play have nothing to do with Scientology and she has the right to believe in whatever she wants to believe.

No one said they CAN’T do this; just that they SHOULDN’T be doing this.

Ever heard of freedom of religion, #101?

You’re twisting things, #102. Scientology IS a belief system and anyone has the right to believe in it’s doctrines without fear of harassment.

Just because you disagree with Scientology it doesn’t give you the right to try to control people lives for ‘their own good.’

They aren’t accomplices, #105. The Smiths and the Beckhams aren’t Scientologists. How many times are they going to deny that?

I’m sure they’re well aware of the bad public opinion but what do you want them to do? Actually leave their faith?

I hate ALL religions, #106. Scientology included. I think they’re all dangerous but you’re not gonna make me want to twist the constitution and harass private practitioners of ANY faith.

Hey DALE… NIGHTHIFT ???? UGH !!!! I did that one for two years only…. Could not handle it after children…. Thanks for the comments ! I never thought about that person maybe recruiting Susan. ( my friend ). So I e-mailed her to warn about that. I find it weird, that she would share ( that person ) her financial statements with Susan to PROVE that she was once an EX member. Plus she had some sort of I.D. Badge ( ? )…. Do they have these so called badges in their organization ? AND if they do, what for? Hers was out-dated by two years and had a weird bar code strip on the side, Susan noticed. She guessed it was to get her into their main door maybe. ( after hours ? )……… ( twilight zone music here ? ) LOL…. I wonder why the Cruises did NOT attend the main Scientology dinner…. and why Remini was so late…. Maybe now I”M looking for something, who knows. I went on line to really study this Scientology and was shocked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also watched some of the ” videoyoutubes” that other people have posted on this site……. VERY SCAREY and DISTURBING…… I wanted to change my locks on the doors. It started me thinking that IF any of this nonsense OR crap were TRUE, Katie’s demeanor ( OR LACK OF ) would make sense. Especially from where she was a year ago. Happier and heathier looking…… MAYBE, she IS scared some. Who knows. By the way, I took your advice. I changed to the GOOD VICTORIA !! There are 2 others on this site also….. Maybe that will help.. Thanks, your’e funny… If you talk too MAV…..DANCER….RESCUE59…. TELL THEM TO READ ABOUT THE LAST SITE ON THE ROGIER SHOES SITE ON KATIE AND THEN THIS ONE, ……Oh, I will always be a VOLUNTEER GIRL…. GO VOLS !!!!! Just got sad for a second… See ya later!!!

#107 KrissyKitty, if you go to the enturb.org forums and look under the category “leaks/legal” and you can find many leaked examples of how they use this method to manipulate political and other matters for their benefit. Since they are classified as a non-profit organization (NOT religion), they have absolutely NO business meddling in political affairs. That is why they instruct their members to act as “ordinary concerned citizens.” This is a practice they extend to dealing with the media as well.
They also instruct their members not to read anything negative about the cult (and take extensive measures to ensure that they don’t).
Wikileaks also has a rather large category for leaked $cientology documents.

Dont usually care for her but I wish her play the best & and I can see the Jackie Kennedy resemblance with Holmes. The cast had some new interviews out in NY and they all spoke highly of Katie.

Dracula, here is a link to a much publicized interview with Cruise:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,353577,00.html

It is evident to me that you’ve not done very much research on the subject at all.

Again, Tom and Katie use their fame and influence as a PR and recruiting tool to turn those who admire them into victims of their cult. They ARE accomplices to a criminal organization, whether they realize it or not. It’s time they learned the truth by whatever method is necessary.

Have you heard the stories of the victims? Have you read their court affidavits detailing the horrors they’ve survived? Have you seen the tears of those who have lost their loved ones because of it? Can you explain all the suicides and mysterious deaths that occur to it’s members and critics?

What exactly is your goal here? Do you just want to see how well you can hold up in a debate about a subject you know little about?
Do you just not care about $cientology’s documented criminal history SO MUCH that you feel compelled to convince us that we shouldn’t either?

You just don’t get it Dracula!

Tom Cruise it THE number 2 man of a “religion” that has harassed, threatened, stalked/followed people who have either left the cult, or have vocally spoken out against their illegal activities. The more vocal you are against them the harder they come after you. Can you tell me anything GOOD about that?

Why doesn’t Nicole ever speak out about why she left? What influence do they have over her that she cannot speak up? If there is no threat then why not speak of her experience with them. Former Auditors themselves have stated that the info. that they gain from their sessions is used a blackmail

Scientology has stolen monies from it’s members. I could go on an on with reasons as to why Scientology is dangerous.

I do not think I have attacked Katie in this thread. But I fear for her safety and that of her daughter. Scientology is very dangerous not only to the ppl who are not members but the members themselves.

Don’t you think if Tom is so vocal about Scientology than I have the right to bring his name into this? I did not make him a target he did.

If you feel you can come after me for my views on this and you have MANY times than I can defend myself and MY BELIEFS. Every time you come after me I can gurantee you that I will come right back at you.

Like you said: “But I also believe that you have the right to believe whatever nonsense you want without harassment!”
~ And you my friend are bordering on harassment.

O.K. so you know about Scientology what have you looked up?
I don’t think that you have. All you are concerned with is making sure no one hurts Katies feelings. She is a big girl and can defend herself. She doesn’t need some psycho with too much time on his hands telling everyone to stop picking on her when really all people are doing is telling their opinion that she looks like an idiot in the clothes she wears.

~It has gotten a little more serious because a group plans on protesting Scientology, which Katie is married to the #2 man and is a member herself.

~And the best of all from your mouth “All he said was that he wishes no suppressive person should exist. Don’t infer any morbid or otherwise things into that”
What exactly do you think that means? That everyone should peacefully join in their beliefs? I think not! If you refuse than you should not exists.

I know there will be no convincing you otherwise because you are stubborn and arrogant. But let me tell you this. I will keep posting here weather you like it or not

It’s time they learned the truth, #116? I’m sure they heard all about the evils of Scientology fore ages now. How arrogant of you to harass and them and force them to change their minds on their faith.

Quit telling me I haven’t done the research on Scientology. I remember that article. It was about VOLUNTEER Scientologists ministers and information tents no one was forced to go to. No bad blood. No shouting. No hysteria. Nothing like that.

They turn people into victims of their cult? You mean they’re devout Scientologists that people find interesting decide to investigate Scientology of their volition? They’re not accomplices to anything.

I already know about Scientology. I have not defended it. Get that through your head.

You critics only see what you want to see.

Scientology is wicked, #118. I get that. Did I say otherwise? (And while Cruise is probably the most popular Scientologist, I really don’t think he runs the organization let alone is the number two man.)

NO ONE knows why Kidman and Cruise broke up. But there’s NOTHING to suggest she CAN’T speak up. Maybe she just still think it’s painful to discuss the details. We don’t know.

Did I ever say it wasn’t dangerous?

Cruise has nothing to do (at least to our knowledge) about threatening families and locking women up in closets so why is he blamed for all that no matter how vocal he is about his religion? And IS he vocal about his religion. He’s barely spoken about Scientology is years.

When did I ever attack your beliefs? You can hate Scientology and TomKat all you want. I don’t care. You can even justify twisting the bill of rights but I will comment on that since this is a forum.

I can’t stand back and do nothing when you sick people are justifying twisting the bill of rights like this. I don’t care about trivial things like her acting and fashion sense and what-not but this has nothing to do with Holmes. It’s about doing what’s right.

That saying could be interpreted in less hostile ways.

I’M stubborn and arrogant? Stubborn though not more than critics. Arrogant? Not at all.

Never said I wanted you to stop posting here.

Debating $cientologists can be easy if you know their tactics. They follow these to the letter since deviating from the “tech” is really “downstat.” If you know their game, you can beat them at it easily. You will be able to identify them as easily as if you could see their vacant stare, even if they say “I am not a scientologist, but…”
They just don’t realize that their programed thinking is so patterned that they can still be identified no matter how hard they try to come across as “ordinary concerned citizens.”

Here are some examples of their “tech”:
C O N F I D E N T I A L
PR SERIES 24
HANDLING HOSTILE CONTACTS/DEAD AGENTING
http://www.xs4all.nl/~johanw/CoS/hostile-contacts.txt

Beware of their “acceptable truths.” These are basically lies that sound “truthy” enough that one would not feel compelled to try and verify their data.

ugh number # 13
stfu scientology isnt a cult
ur a dumb rasist person who has a hateful heart so seriously
its religion okay not even its more of a peaceful way to better urself which u need cause ur evil!!!!!!!!
so seriously shut up and go blow on something