Braddox in Berlin

Wow, what a great dad...YEAH RIGHT!!! Try being true to your wife before you cheat on her. Maybe he will find a better ready made family... oh I forgot... AJ made sure of that by getting pregnant. SO LOW!!! Wow... she has done everything now!!!

I really dont blame AJ but i do blame Brad for been a bad husband, talk about family values. I hope Angie dosent suffer what poor Jennifer has had to suffer.

Once a cheater, always a cheater.

What a bond between both.

WTF, sandiego & dr lady - Angie is NOT suffering. Brad is a great dad. So wat if he may not have a great husband for Jen. Brad & Angie are soulmates, period. Jen & Brad aren't meant to be and Jen as already moved on. You both f*cking idiots.

Screw you, Cheryl. Cheaters are not always cheaters. I've known some people who made mistakes and remain loyal to their others ever since.

When will you people ever stop?

Fuck all you haters. Get a fucking life your loser slag asshole.

And Jared she is not 37 she is 30.

The people that post hate are actually 7.

Get a freakin life.

Oh, cheryl - we don't know if Brad actually cheated. Duh.

Thanks, cheryl is creep and a troll that needs to get a life. I always need fact-checkers and people to copy-edit my work. That's what happens when you're a one man show. THANKS!!!!

Don't talk to me like that!!! Sultrydame... I did not say anything nasty to you!! Do you know them? Are you being paid to say nice things? I have an opinion and that is it!! Poll the world about how people feel about cheaters... I bet I win. Just be JA or anyone else AJ has taken from their man.. there is a LOOOONNNNGGG list. This is a sick game to her!! For CS she married Billy BOB!! Yeah right, she does things for shock value.. she will tire of brad you will all see!!! Get a grip...

Cheryl, I don't give a fuck what you say. "Once a cheater, once a cheater" is actually insulting.

Jared called you troll! So accept that.

Would all of you please grow up ? Nobody knows what really went on ... marriages do fail you know !
Some people are made for another - others not quite ... quit all this hostility ... n o w !

WOW such hostility! You would have thought that Brad was the only man who wanted a divorce. People grow apart and divorce after 25 years of marriage........IT HAPPENS ...get over it.

Get over it already. It has been more than one year. Both parties have moved on with their life. Did you not see JA's photos partying with VV at the after oscar party? She looks happy. Whether or not AJ or BP will dump each other later in the future, it won't hurt any of us.

Love the Braddox photos, Jared.

Brad is such a wonderful father.Maddox,Zahara and the new baby are very lucky childern.Best of luck to them all.I just love this famliy,thank you Jared for the pictures.

omg give it up who cares if he cheated? not i... maddox is so cute i swear i check out bamz+1 pics just to see his hair LOL

They look great and happy.
Love BAMZ+1

BAMZ+1 RULES

I assume all you haters of AJ are fans of JA. You guys are really making JA look bad, just like the crazy woman who attacked AJ. JA is trying to move on and to put this behind her........so should you!!! Nothing justifies your negative comments/thoughts towards BP & AJ's family....this makes u guys worst than "cheaters". SO LOW!!!!

How come nobody wonders whether JA wanted to leave Brad or that she cheated on him...? Okay, even I can't keep the smile off my face when i suggest that, but it's worth asking..i mean she's the one who allegedly didn't want kids so maybe she got tired of the pressure and said listen BP, but it ain't gonna happen and i don't want to hold up your life. let;s end this. Plus, she did slip right into a cozy relationship with VV.

Also, I wonder if VV saw the writing on the wall when he and BP were making MAMS and set himself up to be the shoulder to cry on for JA...it would be a smooth player move for sure, but you never know!

Excuse me, Jared did not call Cheryl a troll, He was referring to the person who posted #6. He is letting us know that he is hands on with his site.

Danae Reeves died last night. I am a BAMZ+1 fan but even if I wasn't it would make me think. She and Chris had the kind of relationship that Jennifer and Brad would never have with each other. Dana was 42, she never smoked but died of Lung cancer which was discovered only a year ago. We never know when someone we love is going to leave us or when we are going to leave this world. I respect that Brad recognized that he was not happy and had the self-awareness to understand what he needed and went after it.

Now Jennifer has a chance to find someone who is on the same path as she is . The end of her Brad would have come sooner or later . Isn't it better for all that precious time wasn't wasted on a relationship that died long ago?

Huh, so much hostility here. Geez, calm down and someone could please post without cursing words, it´s annoying and gives you a bad image, no matter the side you are!

Thanks Jared for the pics! I love seeing Brad bonding with the kids. Mad is so happy there with his daddy! Hmmm... I´d love to see Brad with both at the same time in an outing like this one!

Thanks JJ! Brad is fulfilling his dreams by being a Dad! All parties involved have moved on and I think some of you people should do the same! AJ & BP are happy! Thanks again JJ.

Not a JA fan.... just tired of AJ getting all the praise. She is trying to change her cray ways, and I applaud that. Ihope for her sake she can stick with it!! She seems to tire very easily if there is no challenge. I hope for everyone she can just GROW up and be as wonderful a parent as she is beautiful. They do look happy and that is all that matters. Nobody HATES her or JEN... I think we just get caught up in the gossip. Whichever side you take, there are kids involved. Please stop using such dirty words to describe someones mother. YUCK!!!

Guys day out...Brad finally went out and made life what he had always wanted, a beautiful wife, an adorable brood and living without caring about what anyone thinks of him or his family. That's the definition of a man and Angie is a real woman by being selfless and being a woman.

Love Mad's pinstripe jacket in the last few pictures..so handsome just like his daddy.

Elena, I just read your comment and ITA: I was so sad about Dana Reeves! She was such a strong woman, I truly admire her. with all those problems she and Christopher have they always stich together! what an example they gave. So I´m happy that Brad and Angie finally found happiness together as I´d be for JA id she found her also. The sooner people get over it, the better!

thank you Jared, you are the best at feeding our frenzy for these guys... I love your site, you Rock!
cheers.

What blessed little boy to have two loving parents who are showing him all the wonderful possibilities of this world. His playground is all the museums and zoo, etc. of the world.... I wish they would adopt my kids, who are the love of my life.

MAD look awesomely cool especially on the last pic...love his attire!such an adorable stylish kid!
BAMZ+1 ALL the WAY!

Right about now Jen Asstinson, is kicking herself. Being selfish gets you no where. Im glad she was a selfish using snob. Now Brad is with a real woman, and a much sexier, real woman. Go Brad and Angie,, You are truly a beautiful family and couple.

when you are that committed to eachother the way dava and christopher were, it is not uncommon for one to pass very soon after the other...so sad...they were a beautiful couple.

cheryl and sandiego: look behind you! there's a stick up your ass! just like the rest of us, you have no clue as to what happened between brad and jen. it was their marriage, not yours. obviously they saw fit to end it so get over it. also, who else has angelina stolen or taken away from some other woman? billy bob? seriously, think about it. you can't take billy bob, he was more like free gift with purchase.

sandiago

Yep, she did get pregnant to keep her man, just like many many other women do for the man they love. He wanted a child and she obliged, Jen is now setting at home sad and with out the happy beautiful family that Brad has with Angie.. It's a wonderful life...

PROOF CHERYL!!!! YOU NEED SOME PROOF TO BACK THAT STATEMENT UP!!!! DO YOU HAVE ANY REGARDING BRAD'S INFIDELITY??? OR ARE YOU JUST SPOUTING TABLOID GOSPEL AGAIN?????

Now having shouted that.

Thank you Jared. These are wonderful pictures. Brad and Maddox are definitely the cutest father and son out there.

some thought , you´re right. Wasn´t Johny Cash that passed away only 4 months after June´s?

And I know, believe me, my grandpa passed in the same day my grandma with 3 years of length, but exactly on the same day!

SO SAD ABOUT THE DANA NEWS. LIFE IS SOOOO SHORT

I can't wait to see in time what happens.. All you people are going to be defending AJ after she breaks another heart. Look past the beauty and see the snake!!! Call me what you want, I am just stating an opinion. Please don't get vile with me, I really mean nothing bad. I just think that maybe there is more to AJ than you all think. Hey... why does Brad find women with parent issues?

Jared, thank you for your site. I think Brad and Angelina are hellaciously wonderful-God bless them to be safe always and to come home when they find it convenient-

RICA! You´re back! How are you and how´s the fanfic progressing! Lol! Keep it up that WONDERFUL work!

maddox is beyond cute and brad looks yummy. be still my heart!

Yes, so sad about Dana's news. The Reeves' love story just make you feel humble. She was one strong woman. I hope the son that she left behind will stay strong and receive a lot of support at such a hard time like this.

Rica,
I am one of the silent readers of your FANFICs. Love them love them love them! Where and when will you post your next one?
And I love Brangelina too! Can't start the day without first checking JustJared for new pix of BAMZ+1. So funny, never really paid much attention to Brad or Angie before they hooked up, but when they did, BAM! Fell in love with the whole family. Now can't get enough of this family!

Awww, it's too bad Brad isn't adopting Madd. If he was, they would be home for those visits from the social worker. Well, I guess the adoption agency's social worker visits them in Paris.

Hey DI How are you!!!

Have to complete a proposal by Friday, so my time here is a bit limited this week. Taking a break at the moment. I did post the next installment. Go to the usual thread...and I'll send the emails out later. later.

YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL CRAZY .HOW DO YOU KNOW HE WAS CHEATING? COME ON. DID YOU LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE AS THEM ? NOBODY KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED,BUT THEM.

# 41 | brad's not Madd's dad :

Brad is adopting, both children and they have already had their vists. They had them before they left for Haiti and make no mistake they will legally be his children before the year is out.

#44 phi
When were these visits ? How do you know that thier were visits ? Did they tell you this ? Do the parents have to live together if they are adopting together ? I'm wondering why Angelina listed a different address when she filed the pition for the name change ? brad DID NOT file for adoption.

Seriously People, How can anyone look at these pictures and still have hate in their hearts? To be so unforgiving, so unyeilding, you'd have to be an absolutely PERFECT person in your past life, present life and the next life and we all know no one is that. So please, please, please stop throwing stones from your glass houses.

Thanks JJ for the Pix and Rica for the Fanfics.

Angelina Jolie's Subservient Pull Toy
Brad Pitt has gone from sexiest man alive to subservient, pitiful yes-man who does whatever his girlfriend says. Ever since he met Angelina, he seems to have completely forgotten his self-identity. Don't believe us? Consider the following:

Angelina wears dark clothes, and what do you know.....Brad has started wearing dark clothes.
Angelina is a pilot....and SURPRISE! Brad wants to be a pilot.
Angelina is a Goodwill Ambassador, now Brad wants to be a Goodwill Ambassador.
AND.... the most obvious example of Brad's spineless metamorphosis can be observed in how Angelina grabs his hand and leads the way at each and every photo op. Brad is a pull toy, a handsome man on wheels who tends and entertains the kids while Angelina dazzles.

Curious about the shiny red button on the Pull Toy's back? Press it and Pull Toy happily responds:

"Yes dear."
"Whatever makes you happy, dear."
"I agree with you dear, excellent idea."
"Whatever you say dear."
http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/14/

#47 pull toy!! YOU ARE 100% RIGHT!!! LOVE IT!!!!

#45 & 41: Yelling is so unnecessary...

No argument...not worth the time.

One question though? In your perusal of the approved and finalized name change documents (I'm assuming you got a chance to read them) did you happen to notice the section that stated: name change was given "enlight of the fact that Mr. Pitt's adoption of said minors would be approved" This isn't usually added to a Judge's statements unless the proof is on the Judge's desk.

Oh and what she listed and what was amended to the finalized papers are two different things.

Where do they live now. Seperate or apart? When the name change was finalized where did they live?

That's it I'm done.
I'm not your search engine you want facts go look them up. I don't need to prove what's there. Go look it up for your self.

Pull Toy

Yeah right, most couples once they are together, frequently share in each others interest. So that is lame at best.. however, Angie said she would Never have a biological baby, But Brad said yes you are.. "Who's ya daddy Now" lol

Come on, why you guys kept saying he's cheated? How did you know? Are you JA? I think only JA and Brad (or/& Angie) knew what happened to their marriage. Otherwise, you have no position to assume anything. Brad is one of few guys in Hollywood who is one-woman man. Since he doesn't speak about his privite life, you guys took adavantage and kept dumping dirty on him. enough already!. All the facts we knew now is: JA lost Brad, and he moved on, so Angie have him. Deal with it! Move on!

so what if brad is a pull toy? i think every man would die to in the position where brad is... ANGELINA JOLIE IS THE SEXIEST WOMAN ALIVE FOR GOD'S SAKE AND VERY EXOTIC.. THE TRUE DEFINITION OF SEX SIREN...

***RICA BABY***

YOU'RE BACK! Happy to read from you

Isn't funny Sandiego calls Angie vile names but doesn't want anyone to be vile with him/her. It is always the ones that dish out the dirt that are the least likely to take it. I got tired of responding to homewrecker, maneater.....she will chew him up.... blah blah. Keep holding your collective breath, only time will tell if they will break up or not. In the mean time all you haters are stewing in your hate cos Angie and Brad are busy living their lives and I am loving them.

Hey Elena, good post, call me, I did not save your#.

Jared, once again thanks for the pictures, and I bet you laugh your ass off reading some of the comments here, I know I do.

Rica, wonderful as usual,keep it comming girl.

HAH!!! Phi don't waist your breath...Research...like some of these people have a clue as to what that means. Beisdes everyone can't get a hold of sealed and secured documents like you can.

#50 That was great LOL!!!

Let me try now!!!

The man is in total control his house. Trust me!!!
And Angie likes it that way or she wouldn't be there or pregnant. She manages the kids and house and makes sure that the living and travel arrangements are up to par. Can't have his sweety and his babies staying just anywhere!!!

"Come to Pappa!"

Folks Brad is not P#ssy whipped peolpe...he's p#ssy fed!!! There's big...big...big difference!!!RFLMAO

You tell em Rica!

Sorry Folks I meant to say:

#50 That was great LOL!!!

Let me try now!!!

The man is in total control his house. Trust me!!!
And Angie likes it that way or she wouldn't be there or pregnant.

SHE manages the kids and house and HE makes sure that the living and travel arrangements are up to par. Can't have his sweety and his babies staying just anywhere!!!

"Come to Pappa!"

Folks Brad is not P#ssy whipped ...he's p#ssy fed!!! There's big...big...big difference!!!RFLMAO

#49, you are wrong. #45 you are right. File for a name change and have Pitt's publicist say that he is in the process of adopting, and people believe it. Know one can prove that adoption papers were ever filed. Thus, the need to file for the name change. People see that pition and think oh, Pitt must be adopting. It's all just a smoke screen/

#31...I totally agree. Brad and Maddox are adorable in these pictures. Thanks Jared. Brad is such a good father.

You go Rica! I think Brad and Angelina make a fabulous duo. They are healthy, happy and right where they want to be in life. I wish them much happiness-I think they actually may make a marathon out of Hollywood unions.

I am sorry...what vile names have I called anyone?

Elena~ couldn't have said it better myself.
so soory to hear about dana reeves dying, I feel bad for their son, to loose both parents like that, Life is short, better enjoy it while you're still living

Thanks jared, as always you're the best, Maddox looks soo cute, I'm loving his hat, nice to spend some father son time together, and brad picking up pizza for angie, how cute is that

Rica, just read the Fanfic and once again you have blown us away. I asked a question on the other thread but since you are here.... Juliana Dipandi? The girl from E! News? I want to know before I burst into laughter. Nicely done.

Thank you JJ for being the best BAMZ+1 and Nicole/Keith picture poster! Just love the pics.
I think B/A is a great couple, much better than B/J. They have more in common--love kids, want a large family, love to travel (Jen's afraid to fly), have a wild streak, etc. I don't hate Jen, but think she was all wrong for Brad. Plus am getting really tired of her snide, sarcastic little eye rolls and comments. Will B/A last? Who knows? How many Hollywood marriages/relationships can you name that have lasted over 10 years? Either way, they are both devoted to the kids and you can tell they adore them.
Aren't they in Europe because Angelina's mother is dying in France???

are pathetic bitches that need spunk on their flat asses....yep sandiego need a toy put in her ass so that she can have orgasm...he! he! he!

59 and 41

you're both wrong and actually 49 is only partially correct how he/ she knows the half he/ she does, I don't know, but William Bradley Pitt is in the process of adopting them and it has nothing to do with 'what his publicists says' and #49 they can't research it, because it's not for public consumption. You shouldn’t even know it and I damn sure shouldn’t be talking about it. I’m actually work with in the Circuit Court offices and most of that paper work is handled privately so #49 be very careful about the things you say or post. Again be very careful folks…we should probably stop this particular topic of discussion and just look at the pictures. Law suits are unkind as are 'Cease and Desist' orders.

Neither of which Jared wants I’m sure.

Di, yep, June Carter Cash and Johnny Cash passed away very close together...i can imagine my parents who have such deep love probably doing the same...sad but true

Jared...fabulous idea adding numbers to the posts...so much easier to follow

rica...where is your fanfic posted...that should be interesting...

OK I know some of you retards will make 500 excuses for them, but really they need to settle down for a while in one place so these kids can live a normal life and feel a sense of security of knowing their home. What are they running from? Oh yeah, themselves I forgot.

Thank you Rica for another terrific chapter. I have to ask permission, but I will e-mail you a little spill bean for your fanfic... ;)

Caught in the Act!
How Hollywood's bold-faced names
secretly steer the celebrity news machine.

At tomorrow night's Academy Awards, celebrities will smile and turn as they parade down the red carpet before a phalanx of cameras. Behind the flashbulbs, a delicate new game is under way between the stars and the vast gossip industry of TV shows, magazines and Web sites that feeds upon them.

It has always been a relationship built upon animosity and mutual need. But tensions have grown with the explosion of media running paparazzi photos of stars canoodling or emerging from coffee shops in frumpy track suits.

Now many stars including Gwyneth Paltrow, Angelina Jolie and Jessica Simpson are fighting back. They are hiring their own photographers to capture supposedly private rendezvous, tipping off reporters to their whereabouts and developing relationships of mutual back-scratching with magazine editors.

The result is the flowering of a genre: fake paparazzi journalism, or the staging of "unstaged" moments. It is an art form that benefits both stars and the press. Stars get to participate in the framing of their image and magazines appear to give readers a glimpse of the real celebrity untouched by public-relations varnish.

In 2003, Ms. Jolie tipped off US Weekly that she would appear in a park one afternoon with her adopted son, Maddox, according to two people familiar with the situation. The actress had recently divorced actor Billy Bob Thornton, a relationship which was portrayed as reckless and bizarre. These two people say US Weekly knew Ms. Jolie had green-lighted the photo, which softened her image by showing her maternal side. However, the magazine didn't tell readers about it. Repeated calls to Ms. Jolie's manager for comment were not returned.

Mr. Hackett of People says Ms. Jolie, who does not have a publicist, is among the most sophisticated manipulators of the press. "She is totally, totally using it," he says. "I think that's brilliant."

The answer is manipulation so subtle it's hard to say if there's any manipulation at all. In January, when rumors swirled in the press that Ms. Jolie might be pregnant with the child of actor Brad Pitt, Ms. Jolie arranged for an employee of the charity Yéle Haiti to take a picture of her with her growing belly.

Ms. Jolie then let Yéle Haiti sell the picture to People, according to Mr. Hackett, the magazine's managing editor, and a representative for Mr. Pitt. A person familiar with the situation says People paid $400,000 for the picture. It appeared on the cover of the magazine with the headline: "Angelina Reveals: 'Yes, I'm Pregnant.' " (The incident was first reported by The New York Post.)

By arranging the Haiti photo, Ms. Jolie reaped several benefits. She ensured the picture was flattering. In diverting the money to charity, she put a twist on a tactic used by celebrities in recent years in which they arrange to be paid for wedding or baby photos with the proceeds going to charity. And Ms. Jolie reminded fans of her devotion to humanitarian causes. She had taken a hit months earlier when she struck up a relationship with Mr. Pitt shortly after his marriage to actress Jennifer Aniston broke up.

"I would probably say at least 50% of what you see in terms of Hollywood coverage is something that was not necessarily born organically," says Janice Min, editor in chief of US Weekly. "This is a totally symbiotic relationship. This is how celebrities survive."

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Brad's Angie's bitch. Not a bad thing though. I would be Angie's bitch anytime.

Thanks JJ for the picx. Love to get my BAMZ fix everyday, but still feel guilty about it because I don't want to bother this beautiful family. BAMZ fans, plese ignore the haters. They need to go back on their meds or up the dosage. Life is too short to send out hate to anyone, much less people you don't know, or will ever get to know. We can only assume that they get their info from those 'reliable tabloids.' Let's move on with loving this gorgeous family, who are also moving on, and living their lives in their own way, for which we admire them. Jared, thanks again.

#69. They aren't running. Angelina's mother is dying of cancer. She is French. She lives in France. If you have never been to Europe, it is really easy to get places from Paris-kinda like living in NYC and jetting off all over the U.S. Angie is close to her mom. Maybe she wants to be nearer to her than the states. Jen just goes to Las Vegas and drinks herself silly.

#71 - It is called a preemptive strike. If i know that no matter what I do, my picture will be taken..then why not be prepared for it? Like we've always said, Ms. Jolie lives on her own terms and nobody else and that's why we admire her.

Thanks for that #71
My, my Jolie manipulates her own gullible fan's by reminding them of her charity work in light of her affair with Brad and they suck it up like gravy.
This is exactly what she wants from her fan's. Gullible and unquestioning. Some people have been saying it's all a PR whitewash and it's true. Suckers are born every minute. And what do Jolie fan's do - tell us how caring and charitable she is and what a good person she is. Like little puppets on a string.
She manipulates Brad and she manipulates her fan's.

1. Thanks Rica for update, great as always
2. JJ thanks for the wonderful pics as always.

I am sorry to hear about her Mom. I lived in France for 2 years and they don't care about CELEBS. The French are a lot less impressed than we are here about those type of people. I don't blame them for staying in Paris... everyone is very much in a "mind their own business" mode. A wonderful place to be.... the French are sweet no matter what the press here says.

Why don't they stay still,pick up a book sometimes.What is important is that the kids have their parents.The bed or country doesn't matter,having the same caretakers or the same parents is what matters.

Angelina is a Goodwill Ambassador, now Brad wants to be a Goodwill Ambassador.........this history is fabricated by magazines..please brad doesn´t want to be "nothing"

Very smart Angelina and love Brad and Mad.
All the haters--time to fucking move on! Don't like them then stay the fuck out of their threats. I don't go into JA threats because I'm interested in her. You haters should stay the fuck away from BP/AJ posts

Very smart Angelina and love Brad and Mad.
All the haters--time to fucking move on! Don't like them then stay the fuck out of their threats. I don't go into JA threats because I'm not interested in her. You haters should stay the fuck away from BP/AJ posts

brad and angie with the kids in berlin today :
http://www.schroewig.com

19 | Elena | March 7, 2006 11:01 AM

Wow, I didn't she passed, so sad for their son to lose both parents in such a short time period. She sang the National Anthem recently, and she really looked good. So sad

jpf

# 68 | some thoughts
Hey! The fic is continuos and if you go to the main Page...scroll down to the bottom and choose #9 "Brad In the Big Apple" is the thread you want and just scroll through there are 8 parts so far.

#75 angie can manipulate me anytime...you wanna foursome??? and bring your cochie mama, you donkey dada, your doggie sons, your bitchy daughter, your elephant/redneck husband, and your hippopotamus self...for our enjoyment!!!

Adoring picture !

rica, i read the fic...your imagination is almost real...is it??? wow....it's so addicting like bamz+1 family...

you're very good rica...i can never say enough that you should publish it...did elena connected with someone yet?? you know...the process of publishing a book...thanks again rica and welcome back!!

Once and for all: Angelina Jolie's mother is not French. Marcheline Bertrand is of French Canadian on her fathers side, and Iroquis Indian on her mothers. Angelina states in her November 2004 Allure Magazine interview:

Allure 11/2004:

She is, however, extremely close to her mother, who is often wrongly identified as a French actress. "My mom is as far from French Parisian as you can get," Jolie says. "She's part Iroquois Indian, from Chicago. She grew up in a bowling alley that my grandparents owned. She studied to be an actress, but she married my father, and by 28 she was divorced with two kids. She gave up her dreams."
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Regarding her mother living in France? Not so. Marcheline Bertrand lives at the Raffles L'Ermitage Hotel in Beverly Hills, and as far as I can find, she's never been lived in France, and I can't even find anything to suggest she's even ever visited there!

As far as Ms Bertrands cancer, I can't find one reputable magazine, newspaper, television report in the states, Europe, or Timbuktu that says she's on her deathbed. Every report saying as much has come from a Tabloid............every one.

jpf

# 75 & #71

HERE'S THE DEAL:

To discredit Angelina you had to go and find an article that doesn't tell of her smoking and drinking while pregnant, or shows that she is constantly leaving those children with the nanny, or that she isn't really donating it was all a lie, or that she was caught doing drugs.

No!!! you refered to some article that talks about her and other A-list stars who are beating the damn tabloids at their own game
ANNNDD???????

Is that all you got? To prove that Angelina is supposedly manipulating us. We know exactly what kind of woman Angie was and IS!!!

Not at all like that 'Saint' (I feel sick) Aniston who poured her guts out so 'sincerely' (YEAH RIGHT) in and on all tabloids, mags and talk shows she could find. Because "Damnit her fans needed to know her side!" Not because she thought that the sympathy would in anyway boost her Box Office sales. (Oh No!) And of course like everything else she does it failed. You guys spout all this nonsense but you didn't bother to go see her last couple of movies. You were made to 'feel'...for this woman who is seen constantly in the pursuit of either grooming or advancing herself.

So now tell me, since you feel the need to discredit Angelina at every turn in an effort to lift your idol Aniston's overall appearance, because you feel her 'pain'. Who then is really being manipulative and manipulated?

And I take complete offense at anyone calling Aniston a B*TCH...SHE NOT SMART ENOUGH!!! GIVES THEM A BAD NAME. THAT LABEL MUST BE WORN PROUDLY OR NOT AT ALL D^MMIT!!!

LMAO!!!

Angelina's mother is French Canadian and grew up in Chicago, IL. While she may have traveled in Europe. She's lived in the States most of her life.

I love how Maddox is sporting his cap. Brad Pitt is in his element, and I'm happy Jolie-Pitt found each other.

jpf

# 89 | Rica | March 7, 2006 01:35 PM

Brava Rica! Brava!

Ditto #92. Very well said.

All the BAMZ haters should stay away from here cuz we don't go into JA posts & hate on her silly life. 1st & foremost we don't know what happened in their marriage only JA & BP know the truth. 2nd if Brad cheated - there are always 2 sides to that story. Men & women don't cheat on their significant others if the marriage/relationship is solid. It just doesn't happen that way. 3rd I don't blame BP - Who the hell wouldn't fall in love with AJ - not because she's such a sexy & beautiful person but because of who she is inside. If u compare JA & AJ they are so far apart - one is shallow & the other has a big heart.I've always been a big fan of AJ cause she was never pretentious. If she was such a bad person - then y is she friends with all her exes. None of them ever came out to say bad things about her cause there isn't. I believe that BP didn't cheat with AJ. I think he waited until he split from his wife - Jen A. knows she's not a victim - she knows that she didn't make her hubby happy & she didn't fight enough to make it work. WAKE UP PEOPLE...STOP BLAMING AJ & BP - be happy for them & their new family. MOVE ON CUZ EVERYONE HAS...

"We know exactly what kind of woman Angie was and IS!!!"
You don't know shit. Listen, your dream of eating Angelina out will not happen, o.k ? You are not her type. Unless you are a butch, Angie has no interest in you what so ever........I told Angie about what has been said about her on these boards, and she thinks it's funny. Angie is laughing at all you haters and lovers right now, you are all the joke of the day.

I wonder if this back and forth is just for show between the posters. Brad and Angie have nothing to do with any of our lives. I would't want to live under a microscope. Jennifer said that she has forgiven Brad. Can't we hall get along.

Just a quick one here to tell Rica, RIGHT ON sistah with your #89 post.

I'll be back later tonight to hopefully add my bits and pieces (Elena knows full well they aren't just bits, huh? :) ). By then, I'll have paid my respects to Dana Reeves by refraining from dealing with the haters.

You guys as always are holding down the fort well.

Oh look, Rica, you have a delusional Jolie hater who thinks she knows Angelina and talks to her. But it tripped itself up when it claimed that Angie likes only butch women. Does Holly look butch? I think not.

I LOVE BAMZ + 1 THEY ARE THE BEST I LOVE THIS FAMILY THANKS JARED FOR THE LOVELY PICTURES OF BRADDOX

Hey, Cheryl, I've got your back. You're right once a cheater always a cheater. But more important, who wants them after they cheat........?

P.S. to above - Looks like a dog and his puppy.

P.S.S. to above - Sorry, very trollish of me. Couldn't help myself. Thanks for letting me vent.

rica..you are obviously a writer by occupation!

You should attach suitable pics to the chapters you put in to give it that added touch. if someone offers to give rica web page space i would be happy to help you find the right pics to use. :) if jared doess'nt want us loyal fans to go to another site to get our rica fix, maybe he has some suggestions about adding pics to chapter...:) no pressure! LOL it's just she's that good!

Oh Cindy u beat me to it. #95 is weally weally delusional. #95, what did more angie tell u? What she is having for breakfast? Does she whisper in ur ears too? Oh u r the only one that sees her right? She speaks only to u coz u r special. Yes u r, very special. Time for a nappy nap, okay and when u wake up angie will be right there waiting for u.

TO:
#95 | Rica want to eat angie's pussy | March 7, 2006 01:50 PM

Troll around in the gutter much????
Seems like you do. You should really come up from out of there. You and your comments are starting to smell really BAD!!!!

Then again your VILE comments put you so far beneath any intelligent poster coming up maybe a bit hard for you.

brad looks incredibly hot!!!
and maddox is too cute!
good luck BAMZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CAROL YOU LIKE TO LAP THE BOWL OF MY DOGGIE...COME ON...YOU LOVE IT SO MUCH..HMMMM!!

I just love seeing Brad and Maddox together.
Thanks for the pix Jared.

Angie probably doesn't have any friends who are girls given her insecurities. To #98 - OF COURSE Holly is around Angie..she is PAID to be there.

These weirdly obsessed people like Rica are the first to bash 'haters' by saying proof is needed for what they say, or that they have no idea what is going on in B&A's lives....as if RICA knows herself!! Have B&A called Rica & friends to confirm how happy they are? Has Jolie confided in Rica to say how she has changed from her past slutty ways?

Please Rica and friends - don't ask for PROOF for negative comments about B&A- coz you have no proof for any positive comments about them! either.

LIKE HER DELUSIONAL PATHETIC BU/ITCHES CAROL, CHERYL AND SANDIEGO AND CHIN IS THE MAN.....WOOOOH WOOOOH......AND THE THREE ARE THE BU/ITCHES IN THE FOURSOME....WHAT AN ORGY THEY HAVE!!!!

AREN'T THEY ALL PATHETIC WHORES/SLUTS??? ISN'T IT CHIN, THE MANNISTON A PATHETIC BITCH??

HEY BAMZ LOVERS!!!

I'm getting ready to prove my point about the types of posts:

#89 to #95
#1/3 to #51

Just to name a few...
And before you little JA gnomes start gnawing away at my knee caps. YES there are some nutty AJ/ BP fan posts too. But as I said before, theres a difference between some and most. You JA fans or BP/AJ haters (whichever) definitely fall under the 'Most' column.

GEEZE!!!!

Oh nice, now all the AJ fans are butch, #95? Get a life!

#112...OOOOH DON'T FORGET SUE....THE OTHER BU/ITCH....ISN'T IT CHIN AND HER BUT/ITCHES ARE ALL PATHETIC??? TELL???

Sorry people - your branding of anyone who dislikes Jolie as a "Jen Fan" wont fly...coz I don't like JA either.

I simply look at Jolie's slutty and psycho not-so-distant past and do not trust that she has drastically changed 150% as her 'flock' would want to believe...

# 110 | sue | March 7, 2006 02:28 PM
here is the positive article about AJ for your reading if you dare...
http://www.usatoday.com/life/people/2005-06-07-angelina-jolie_x.htm?

oooh rica....there are mices in here....oooh they came out from their filthy holes...ha??

you know what...we need to call the exterminator.....there are mices/varmints in here running around spreading viruses and diseases..i hope we don't catch diseases from these filthy varmints....eeeeeeewwwwwww!! go away you filthy mices!!

Sue

Most of the positive things we applaud Angelina for are old news. They are not idle gossip. Its a FACT that she (Angie) gives to the poor and disenfranchised. It's a FACT that she is an award winning actress. There are other FACTS Sue. Just as there are FACTS for positive feed back on Aniston however:

there is are no FACTS regarding any infidelity in this triangle. If we seem obsessed to you then so be it...your opinion. Just scroll past our long winded post for the shorter ones .

And just for the record...you have no who I am or who I know. Just as I don't know you or anything about you. Let's just leave it like that.

isn't it sue a pathetic butch??

does anyone have any idea what Stewart said that was meant as a jab to Aniston just before she presented - I have heard it was something to do with AJ? Goddammit I missed it.

117 | jjoy | March 7, 2006 02:44 PM

You made me laughed so hard. You are right, we need to get some "antiviruses" software too. LOL.

As for you Ms. Rica, Well said, and I must say you are an excellent debator and an excellent writer.

Got to go, need to do some cleaning in the house get rid of the "filthy mices and viruses" around the house. ;)

Sue,how do you know Angelina is insecure?If you want to dicuss insecurities I think Jen has quite a few of those herself.It kills me how you throw the word slut around so easy,Jen is no angel.The difference is one is honest the other hides her dirt.Jen slept with Brad on the first date and moved him in with her the next day.She did a interview with Vantiy Fair years ago in which she admitted it.Just like she has been sleeping with Vince for over 6 months while all you haters ragged about Brad and Angie.Jen and Brad were both having sex with other people,so get of your moral high horse.

# 120 | INFO WANTED | March 7, 2006 02:49 PM

Stewart said that about a 100 million people around the world are watching the oscars...and about half of them are in line for adoption by ANgelina Jolie...(of course, this is not verbatim)

INFO Wanted: I think he said something like 'half the world wants to be adopted by AJ", then he said, "I'm on the waiting list" or something. Nothing 'jabbing'...

BTW French tabloids are so happy having BAMZ in Paris, but they publish some restaurant receipt to show what Brad ate! Isn't that too much :) Anyway all article says "They are with us, they love Paris, they are completely Parisians", one says "They are staying until May". Oh well, but articles are cute. http://angiejolie.free.fr/presse.htm (see ones marked 'New')

rica, thank you again, girl!!!! THIS SHIT IS SOOOOOOOOOO GOOD. god, i'm so addicted!!! can't wait to read , how angie breaks the news to brad, that she is pregnant!!!
memo to all BAMZ t 1 fans/haters JEN fans/haters; can't we all just get along? life is way to SHORT!!! think about Will Reeves for a moment...............

What did I do? Why can't people just have an opinion.. I don't prefer JA over AJ. These people are CELEBS!!! Get over it, they hire body guards to protecet them from you devotees. You are the reason the PAPS follow them. AJBP dislike you more than you will ever know. Sorry it is the truth. I do hope they are happy and they stay together. I wish no ill on anyone... you people need to learn to control your angry. NOTHING PERSONAL!!!!

love the pix! god, you know he just loves these kids, being THEIR FATHER! you know he will have a special relationship, with each one of his kids!!! the guy wanted a woman he could truly love, heart mind body and soul........he had so much love to give, to children, i'm so glad he now has his own!!! YOU GO BRAD, YOU SEXY, DILF!!!!

hmmm..let's see...AJ has said in the past..I am sexual, I like sex...I want to taste everyone in the world... Sounds slutty to me.

Did she not have a psychotic past??

I'm not a JA fan either so don't go there.

screw u all!!!!

Glad you like it Kerchy!!!

Thanks!!! :-)

Some Thoughts...I wish it was my career choice alas it isn't I do it in my spare time.

# 122 | lou | March 7, 2006 02:54 PM

Oooohhh look sue more substantiating FACTS. An interview given by Aniston herself stating her bedroom habits. I won't call her a sl^t, cause..well I just don't know her like that. Too bad you can't extend the same courtesy to Angelina.

It's just sad...

#127 Kerchy I agree 100 percent.

#128, AMY. You'd have to know a lot about Angie to realise the type of person she is. That was her past, people change. Brad used to be a chicken for the local Pollo Loco, but he has changed. Well? So has Angelina. She loves her kids, she adores her charity work, she is an entirely different person. She is a beautiful, flawed, talented, caring person that loves her children - and now has someone that loves them just as much as she does.

Everyone has a past. Some more intense then others. And just because in the heat of the moment, when talking about how much she likes sex, she said she wants to taste everyone in the world doesn't make her a whore. She isn't paid for sex, so no. She is not a whore.

And as for her whole "she is sexual, she likes sex" bit. Is that really a bad thing? No.

Always love Brangelina's family's pics.
They have a lovely family and we should move on , leave the past behind and stay with the present.

BAMZ+1 are happy, JA + VV seem happy too.
Life is too short too be attached by the past.

Thank you very much for great pics !!!

This is sooo off the subject of the pics...but has anyone saw the movie :16 Blocks"

Well in the movie BW and MD mention AJ. An AJ Fantasy sort of...Man this woman is all over, everybody is talking about her...Oscars - Movies...so what's next.

When i was in kindergaten, we had this cute song for cry babies and I'd like to share. Here goes
sandiego is a cry baby
sandiego is a cry baby
sandiego is a cry baby
I know I know
(Repeat)
Very Easy lyrics. Now Everybody-

Unconditional LOVE is the only words appropriate for BAMZ1... I am so glad that Brad has been "whipped" into submission by Angie and she by him in agreeing to have a biological child. That is what partnership is about, doing for the other and being selfless, willing to follow the other to the ends of the earth (that did not seem to be the case with JA) Angie agreeing to have Brad's child is the ultimate and if he wants to pilot a plane like her and share in her goodwill endeavors then God bless them. Angie held out for a man who would compliment her and Brad found a woman who's main objective is not Hollywood but family.

It is sad when all marriages end, but I don't think he should have been married in the first place to JA- THAT was the big mistake. Should he have sentence the rest of his life to happiness? Each person has to make that decision ..........

Does anyone remember reading The W article with Jennifer when she was quoted as saying when they were"happily married"
"Is he the love of my life?” she hesitantly mused. “I think you’re always sort of wondering, ‘Are you the love of my life? I’ve never been someone who says, ‘He’s the love of my life’ He’s certainly a big love in my life.” So perhaps she wanted out too? So perhaps they just weren't the love of eachothers life and now they both get to find that and that's a good thing, right?

I meant should he have sentenced his life to UN-happiness on above post

Rica you wrote:
Oooohhh look sue more substantiating FACTS. An interview given by Aniston herself stating her bedroom habits. I won't call her a sl^t, cause..well I just don't know her like that.

Where is the article?

Full W article here if anyone's interested.
http://www.style.com/w/feat_story/010803/full_page.html

My sentiments exactly. Please note my comment at #18...it just may be that BP AND JA didn't want to try any further.

Hey before you make fun of someone...learn to spell. OR GO BACK to KINDERGARTEN!!! Wow, you are not so bright huh? I see you did it on another blog.. so I know you can't spell....

Estelle #110 Thanks for the link to the interview.
I hadn't read that one before and its great.

J, love your site, it's the first thing I check in the am. You're the best. Can I ask? Why----do you allow the foul language and obvious salacious/malicious contributors to post? Just wondering. Love you anyway. It just gets so tiresome to wade through the trashy, mindless stuff. Thanks for all the hard work.
JLS

The article I refered to was in Vanity Fair,JA did the interview serveral years ago.I found out about it because someone I know commented on how Jen got Brad on the rebond from Gwen.In the interview she was questioned if she was worried Brad was on the rebond and her response was,Gwen is a nice girl but what they had was in the past.Elena knows about the article as well,she mentioned it several days ago.I must say it's something to think about,because alot of his friends stated he was messed up bad after he and Gwen broke up.I feel Brad and Jen's marriage ran it's course,case close.

I am limit on time and was speed reading throuh the post... Rica , Gracias, gracias , gracias. If you have not gotten any info on copyrighting your words I will glad to fax some info. African Girl I am so glad that like in volleyball, you are there to get the point across. For in a team we all are equal. Like marriage should be.

This is directed to the immature person who posted #100 and the other dense individual who originated the statement that "once a cheater always a cheater". So if you make mistake you might aswell keep on making mistakes because one is judged only by the mistake and not the solution? You must be an atheist or agnostic. Christianity is based on forgiveness, redemption and as many chances as it takes to learn. Lord , I hope to God that you do not have any children. For if you do, think about what you are teaching them. You are teaching them that you will never forgive them for any mistakes they make regardless of their future behavior. You aren teaching them how not to trust adults or society because it is all hypocrisy. You are teaching them to give up on life because if one does not live then one does not make any mistakes. You MISSING THE POINT, mistakes are only opportunities to learn and grow . You do learn you do not grow. If one never made mistakes, one would never grow or understand the difference between happiness and sorrow. It is how we know we are on the right path or the wrong path. By how we feel in the privacy our own solitude.

If you believe is something bigger than yourself you believe in forgiveness. If you believe in Christianity , you must believe in redemption. That is what Christ is all about. What do you think the prodigal son and Mary Magdalene is all about? It is about making mistakes and learning from them . It is about learning from bad judgement or mistakes. That knowledge is redemption.

One of my friends son and his best friend played hooky from school when they were both 16. They left school to go have breakfast at a restaurant. They were in a rush as they wanted to make sure to return back to school for the next period. It had been lightly raining and on the road that my friend's son there were two signs... One advising that it a steep and winding road and another stating, "slippery when wet". Being 16 with a new car and being young with no care in the world and the world to look forward to, neither payed attention. The driver who had very little on road experience and his passenger who failed to put on his seat belt. Well to make a long story short , the driver made turn too fast for the condition and lid and lost control. His passenger was thrown through the windshield and died on contact with the tree his head hit. The driver walked away. He was 16 y ears old and he was driving the car that crashed and left his best friend since pre-school dead. His mistakes were mistakes of youth and lack of experience. According to so many of you that should mean tha this life will always be judged by that. Something that took him all of a minute to make a decision; all based on his very limitied experienced .

We all make the best decision we know how about any given situation. That is how we learn. One only learns that fire burns by touching heat. So should we judged for touching heat and getting burned or knowing that heat burns and avoiding touch?

Whe I talk to individuals about the issue of cheating on someone they are in a relationship with ...It is not that they cheated that I am focusing on. it WHAT DID THEY LEARN AS A RESULT. One is doomed to repeat life mistakes until they learn the lessons that they offer. The only way one can learn is by owning our decisions and being accountable.

I feel sorry for Vince . From what I have seen , she has yet to learn that we cannot choose our parents bu what gave us that makes differentg form animals is free will/ We all own the life our choices make. Either by action or lack of action.

I am a work in progress . I cannot regret any of my past because to do so would be to deny who I am today. I would not be who I am today without the lessons that my mistakes have taught me. In understanding and appraciating how I have grown and evolved I am able to recognize the same in others. My past is what gives me the insight, empathy and compassion that allows me to make a connection to children who feel as such failures and in so much pain that they want to die. Children with parents who judge them for who they are not rather than value them for who they are.

wow this is a great quote from Gwyneth

"When we split up, something changed, permanently, in me," she said in the magazine. "My heart sort of broke that day, and it will never be the same."

Paltrow, 26, said her relationship with "The Fight Club" star and its end "made me what I am" and she said she had no regrets.

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http://search.hollywood.com/movies/Jennifer%20Aniston%20And%20Vanity%20Fair

Well written Elena!!!
Brava!!!!!
Thank you, but willthe readers hear it?

#142 Oh My, I Missed an R in the word. Thank Heavens you were there to help me. Imagine I'd have been going around missing my Rs, which is why my next song is dedicated to you, my spell checker.
Hey You/Grow Up is a spell checker
Hey You/Grow Up is a spell checker
Hey You/Grow Up is a spell checker
I Know, I Know, I know.

Now i added a new line Just for you my Pet

She's got nothing better to do
She's got nothing better to do
She's got nothing better to do
Oh poor girl, Poor girl, Poor Girl.

Everyone, it really Easy. Now 1, 2, 3

Great post Elena#146. You said it much better than I ever could. Another thing I've noticed on some of these 'unforgiving' types re AJ, is that they seem to forget that she is only 30 years old! She's been around and surely did some wild things, but it's all part of growing up. just look at how she has turned into an even more
beautiful woman, loving and caring, and so inspiring to others, all over the world. Unlike others, she is so brutally honest about herself, that people take these truths and twist them until it's hard to know fact from fiction. I enjoy reading some of these insightful posts, and sincerely wish that some of those who don't care for them, just find another site with picx of your favorites and write to your heart's delight. Love the picx of this wondeful family.

To the person who wrote on #146, you are just as low and degrading as the peson who posed #100 and lower. You have no right to tell someone not to have a child. You are right however about learing from your mistakes and I hope everyone does understand that, but sometimes people don't. Most people in here are arguing over the issue of cheating. Am I right? Let me tell you this. I have never cheated or been cheated on, but I have seen a few of my friends go through this. Not everyone learns from there mistakes in this area. Has anyone every heard of a Narisis? This is a person who constinty thinks about themselves. They wake up wanting to please only then and go to bed only wanting to please them.

These people will never understand the great lesson from all this. I feel sorry for them and there victim because they will never be happy or content and everyone behind them will have there heart broken.

Angelina Jolie, I belive, is not a narisis. She is a mother of 2 adopted children, and donates 1/3 of her paycheck to hamanitarian work overseas. Brad made a choice to be with Angelina. He decided to end his marriage to Jennifer to be with Angelina. He is also becoming a humanitarian worker.

Jennifer Aniston thought that she would have the baby of her dreams with the man she loved. Now she is trying to move on with her now boyfriend Vince.

I belive this is how it all went. Jennifer and Brad were in a difficult situation with there marriage. Jennifer couldn't get pregnant and that resulted in stress which went into the marriage. Brad met Angelina. A sexy vixen who was exotic looking, 7 yrs. younger then Jennifer, and 12 yrs. younger then him. He was attracted her beauty and unselfish giving to people overseas. He then met Maddox who "stole" his heart. They developed a very close relationship. Jennifer thought this and seperated to think about all this comming at her. While they were seperated Brad became even more involved with Angelina. (This may have been when he actually physically cheated on Jennifer) Now Brad feels feeling of "love" for Angelina and has betrayed his wife. He decides to spare Jennifer the pain and hurt he has cause and get a divorce.

Then Angelina becomes pregnant. Jennifer is hurt, ashamed, and embarresed by this. This may have caused the media to ask what she thought of this. The media war is born. Jennifer cannot express herself to anyone about this because it will end up on the front pages of a tabloid. Now as the due date gets closer, Angelina and Brad are being photographed together. Jennnifer clings to Vince so she won't think about what Brad did to her.

And this is where the story is still continuing. Angelina says she was not envolved during the marriage, but I belivew that she was and is denying it. It would spare Jennifer so much if Angelina and Brad told the truth from the beginning. Then we would not be having this argument.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and this is mine. You cannot change the way someone thinks, but you can influence them. I hope that this posting can be seen as a choice that I have made to have my opinion shown. I am a fan of Angelina but I DO NOT agree with taking a man away from a woman the way she did. My heart goes out to Jennifer.

To the person who wrote on #146, you are just as low and degrading as the peson who posed #100 and lower. You have no right to tell someone not to have a child. You are right however about learing from your mistakes and I hope everyone does understand that, but sometimes people don't. Most people in here are arguing over the issue of cheating. Am I right? Let me tell you this. I have never cheated or been cheated on, but I have seen a few of my friends go through this. Not everyone learns from there mistakes in this area. Has anyone every heard of a Narisis? This is a person who constinty thinks about themselves. They wake up wanting to please only then and go to bed only wanting to please them.

These people will never understand the great lesson from all this. I feel sorry for them and there victim because they will never be happy or content and everyone behind them will have there heart broken.

Angelina Jolie, I belive, is not a narisis. She is a mother of 2 adopted children, and donates 1/3 of her paycheck to hamanitarian work overseas. Brad made a choice to be with Angelina. He decided to end his marriage to Jennifer to be with Angelina. He is also becoming a humanitarian worker.

Jennifer Aniston thought that she would have the baby of her dreams with the man she loved. Now she is trying to move on with her now boyfriend Vince.

I belive this is how it all went. Jennifer and Brad were in a difficult situation with there marriage. Jennifer couldn't get pregnant and that resulted in stress which went into the marriage. Brad met Angelina. A sexy vixen who was exotic looking, 7 yrs. younger then Jennifer, and 12 yrs. younger then him. He was attracted her beauty and unselfish giving to people overseas. He then met Maddox who "stole" his heart. They developed a very close relationship. Jennifer thought this and seperated to think about all this comming at her. While they were seperated Brad became even more involved with Angelina. (This may have been when he actually physically cheated on Jennifer) Now Brad feels feeling of "love" for Angelina and has betrayed his wife. He decides to spare Jennifer the pain and hurt he has cause and get a divorce.

Then Angelina becomes pregnant. Jennifer is hurt, ashamed, and embarresed by this. This may have caused the media to ask what she thought of this. The media war is born. Jennifer cannot express herself to anyone about this because it will end up on the front pages of a tabloid. Now as the due date gets closer, Angelina and Brad are being photographed together. Jennnifer clings to Vince so she won't think about what Brad did to her.

And this is where the story is still continuing. Angelina says she was not envolved during the marriage, but I belivew that she was and is denying it. It would spare Jennifer so much if Angelina and Brad told the truth from the beginning. Then we would not be having this argument.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion and this is mine. You cannot change the way someone thinks, but you can influence them. I hope that this posting can be seen as a choice that I have made to have my opinion shown. I am a fan of Angelina but I DO NOT agree with taking a man away from a woman the way she did. My heart goes out to Jennifer.

love your post Elena....we are all a work in progress.

#152 Victoria,
Thanks for your opinion. I don't agree with it.
I don't think that Brad cheated.

I know that Brad has wanted children for years pre-Jen

I think that Jen did not want to have a child.

I think that they grew apart long before Angelina came along.

I do not believe that a woman can "take " a man away from another woman. He is not a purse

My heart does not go out to Jen. Don't hate her but neither do I respect her.

JMHO

Victoria #152 - Nice piece of fantasy there, but, please remember, that is just what you imagine happened. I could spin an equally believable tale that had no one really at fault, just two people who grew apart.

I guess your take wouldn't even bother me if it didn't come with an insistance that Brad and Angelina "told the truth". If we weren't there, how can we know they haven't? Because it isn't "romantic" enough for us? Because then there's no bad guy? Because maybe one of the former couple used the event for sympathy publicity?

What we know:
JA said she believed her [then] husband when he said he didn't "cheat"
AJ said she would never have an affair with a married man
Courtney Cox said she believed that BP didn't stray physically, but maybe did emotionally.
BP laughed at the notion that lack of children was the cause of the divorce and replied "NO" when asked directly if AJ was the cause of his divorce.

Why is it so hard to just believe what those involved have chosen to share with the world? And to those who think people's characters are etched in stone; I feel sorry for you. Fully functioning adults grow and change all the time, or at least they should.

Now, WHERE is the fan-fic? I lost the bookmark!

This family is soooooo HOT!
I LOVE THEM AND WISH THEM THE BEST!

Today I found out about Dana Reeves and I think Brad and Angie has that kind of connection...They would fight to the death for their family and I didn't see that with Brad and Jen...I'm sorry for those how support Jen but Brad didn't seem to been in the long run with Jen. It was more like "we'll see where this take us" attitude, and that's the kiss of death, IMO.

I think Jen's ego has been bruised and she's embrarassed that Brad turned to Angie so soon after they separated. Brad and Angie has been very kind to her because it could have been so worse...and it will be once they come out of their down time or honeymoon phase. Because right now the rumors or hot that the did a "Janet Jackson" marriage.

I'm glad to know you agree but your opinions all you and yeah I get your point, hes definitly not a purse. But if he was he's high piriced. lol. :D

Victoria,
If you have a bunch of time on your hands go read Ted C column at Eonline. Start at Jan 05. and read until you can't read no more. His opinions and "sources" are interesting. He doesn't paint Brad as a good guy (IMO) he really doesn't like Brad but he talks about how the man did not cheat. He doesn't paint Aniston as a saint (although I think that he likes her more than Brad) but he does acknowledge her manipulation of the "pity party" so often mentioned on this board. Please believe me when I say that I take his information with a grain of salt because like us he wasn't there but it is an interesting read. Again, I personally do not think that cheating was involved. I think that the two people in the marriage fell out of love a long long time ago.

#152 Victoria. Alright, before I write anything I'd like you to take another look at the post (#146)you mentioned in your lengthy rebuttal because i think you may have put the wrong number. Why do i say this, well after reading your post, I went back to the you mentioned and NO WHERE did she say NO ONE SHOULD HAVE A CHILD or am I missing it somehow? Help me. Now if there was no mistake and you have the right post, then I am seriously worried about you. How do you infer the statement about not having children from the post? How far a leap does one have to make to get to the conclusions you got?

Let's not have war of the words please, just show me where it is or how you came to that conclusion.
The problem here is that some people just skim through a post and automatically think the get the gist of it but they don't. You project your own conclusions on others and then everyone gets angry, of course at that point the discussion has disintergrated into something very childish. So please read the post again, hopefully you will realize your mistake. Of course, there is no hard feeling because like she said "We Are all Work in Progress"

still spining from the "low and degrading" comment though.

Brad looks so much younger than Jen.

To all the haters. If you want to help "Victim girl" you need to support her where it counts....Her Lame ass movies. You're not doing her any favors coming on a BAMZ+1 post and calling names because this is her audience too.

I totally believe Brad and Angie are married and I'm glad TMZ are investigating this...they proved they are wearing similar gold band on their right hands that Angie keep hiding. She's only wearing the ring on the right ring finger but her wedding band is on her thumb. While Brad wears his wedding band on his right middle finger but it doesn't fit, it a perfect fit for his ring finger.

GET BACK TO WORK, SLACKERS!

It just fascinates me how some JA fans still can't let it go. JA said, "Come on people, turn the page" on Oprah, didn't she?

The very first poster Sandiego says AJ got pregnant to keep BP, and that is 'SO LOW'. Others say 'poor Jennifer'. Everything to the contrary to what JA wants us to believe. "It ain't the baby. Don't pity me." Seriously, what do you JA fans have against your own idol??

here is the address for TMZ article: Brad and Angelina -- Ring of Truth.
http://tmz.aol.com/article2?id=20060306191909990001

Since when is settling down in one place and living a normal life whats best for children? Pleanty of people live in one place and don't spend any time with thier children or abuse them. What children need is a solid home. That means that they have people around them that love and care for them and have an interest in them. Obviously these children have that. Without Angie and Brad they would be growing up in an orphanage. I suppose that would make all you Angie haters happy. Better off in a 3rd world country orphanage than with successful loving parents. You people need to get a life!

When Jennifer Aniston gets re-married or pregnant, she'll have nothing to hide, unlike Brangelina. She'll be showing off her new husband and pregnancy because she has nothing to be ashamed of. So far she's been showing affection for Vince in public, even if she didnt comment on it. She's not hiding anything.

But it seems Brangelina is shying away. If they werent hiding, then why didnt Angelina discuss her new father to be and baby?

If it were Jen, she'd keep the conversation limited but she'd be glowing with happiness and sharing some good details about it.

Angelina, at her last interview, was very nervous. If "everyone's moved on and are accepting" of the Brangelina relationship, then why arent they talking a little about it? Because there is something controversial about this!

Because Brangelina knows that most people will not be very accepting towards it. If people were, they'd be open about it! Do you get it or are you fanatics too stupid to understand what's going on here?

angelina jolie is a home wrecker, she is a skank that has been an outcast her whole life and now has decided she dosen't want to be that. she was that weird girl who no one talked to in highschool. could anyone tell me why someone who has openly said on tv she would never ever have biological children becasue of some stupid shit she made up reason and then 2 second later she is pregnate. she knows that once brads really gets to know her he will leave her dumbass. all i know is i can't wait until this kid get here. becasue brad and jen divorce became final in october so if she became pregnate during that then yes she did cheat and it does count because they were still married. angelina is a slut she isn't that smart she is just going around colllecting kids. her children will seriously have issues, luckly they have money so they will go see therapist . but no mother would be flirting with a married man. not that i even like brad pitt. brad pitt is just a prettyboy, no talent just muscles. they couldn't wait to get in the sack. i bet you they convinced themselves that doing it in another continent was not cheating. well it is. i hate they way she disguises her "charity" work to get the press off her. she is a dumbass and homewrecker. she knows, evryknows it. this will not be good for her career . everyone will be obessed with her family for a long time and forget about her work. that what you get when you are a cheat.

i would love to ask her what exactly does being a cheater mean to her. she obviously had something going on when jen and brad were breaking up. beacuse seriously if they didn't have contact with one another while brad and jen where separting how did the speak, when did they get eacheother phone numbers? becasue by that time mr. and mrs smith had finised filming, evidently one of them was holding on to the others phone number. angelina just wanted an actor. she wants her kids to be cool that is it that is why she probably wanted the name change. jolie-pitt just means that she has brad in check. that whipped motherfucker. they will grow apart as usaly and i can't wait casue the public will never have a happy image about them. she is stupid and horrible person for protryaing herself as this goodwill ambsodor. she does nothing put bring attention to her whoring behide.

lola you are wrong,ted c hates jennifer aniston

This was post on MSN.com today on the entertainment article.

Aniston in the shadow of Jolie
http://movies.msn.com/movies/celebsbuzz?GT1=7701

Thanks Leslie for that enlightening commentary. I'd rather scoop dog poop than to reread that piece of crap you just wrote. Damn you're dumb!

Just read in laineygossip.com: Lainey isn't a JA fan, but even she wishes the best for Vinnifer. I do too. I hope JA stays with him, marries him, and have a lot of babies starting this year as she said she wants. They do match, in caliber and looks. Why don't JA fans celebrate them instead of spewing hate on something that's long gone from her life? Here is a quote from Lainey on Oscar party:

She went solo to the show but they hooked up afterwards at the Vanity Fair bash and JustJared is reporting that when she saw him arrive, she jumped up like a lovestruck teenager, and called out 'Baby!' before greeting him with a very passionate hug and kiss. Now isn't that the cutest thing ever? Needy and weak perhaps, but cute all the same. I do seriously hope he's not gay. Because I do seriously like these two together. Jen and Vince. Vince and Jen. They make sense, you know? They match, they equate, neither one outshines the other, they are content in ordinary specialness and it warms my heart. Long live Jen & Vince!

#168 sara, I used to think so too but not anymore. One of her fans asked him why he hated aniston and he responded (not word for word) that he didn't hate her but that he thinks that she's better than the pity party that she's throwing for herself. If I can find the exact quote I will post it later.

brad and that whore deserve one another. the cheated while they were married and anyone who says they didn't is a liar. I t may not have been phsicall but sometimes emotional cheating is just as bad. they are going to try to make theselve look like normal people but they are not they are both destroyers!

sorry leslie but brad and angie have showed off her relation and pregnancy around the world

sophie, you're really taking this too
seriously. "Destroyers?" Saddam Hussein was a destroyer. Vlad the Impaler was a destroyer. Hitler was a destroyer. Brad & Angie? Not so much.

Someone said that everyone at one point has cheated or done something wrong in their lives. I've done things wrong, but it doesn't mean I'm any less guilty and that I should automatically not disapprove of something bad someone else did.

Yes, I've cheated. Not with someone else's husband and i make sure not flirt with somebody else's husband, even if there are problems in their relationship. And if I did, I'd feel extremely guilty, because I am sympathetic and logical and not selfish.

Did JA and BP grow apart? Maybe. But then why doesnt Brad be open about that? Why doesnt he CLEAR EVERYTHING UP and say, "Jen and I were growing apart already, blah, blah, blah." There's nothing to be ashamed about in saying that. But he didn't. Do ya get IT?! He didn't.

And Jen gave him the divorce because he was holding out on it or probably threatened to put something in the divorce papers that would be upsetting to Jen. And Jen has expressed that she does not want problems like that in her life because she witnessed it with her parents' divorce and she didn't want to go through that type of pain and anger.

Wow Sophie, that was...ehmmmm something, at least the little I got. Honey, its Kinda hard understanding what you are trying to say. Could you maybe write it again. I mean no offense and i understand that when one is writing in the heat of the moment, you make mistakes but here it seemed every third word was misspelled and then with the shouting, it made for a very difficult read. I really do want to know what you are trying to say.

Showed it around the world?? How can you hide it? They showed nothing. The papparazzi are the ones who "showed."

Also, sophie #173 what is your definition of whore? Some people in my country think that if you have sex with one person outside of marriage you are a whore. Some think that if you marry and then divorce and have sex (marriage or no marriage) with a second person than you are a whore. Hey, I even talked to one woman who believed that if you marry and your husband dies that you shouldn't ever have sex again. To do so would make you a whore. In your opinion, is there a certain # one has to reach to get to whore status?

"What blessed little boy to have two loving parents who are showing him all the wonderful possibilities of this world."

LOLOL, what bull! Brad began his relationship with Angelina because of attraction and sex. And now he's gotten seduced into getting deeper with Angelina.

I hope that they do lead wonderful lives. But I'm not smiling. I am giving them good wishes, but I am not going to lie and say I think there's nothing wrong with this. And I'm not talking about the cheating. That's done with. Over with. Be gone. Now it's how the relationship was based and is moving on. Not something I look upon in a nice light.

the fact is brad has alway wanted the bad boy image not the prissy boy we all know he is so know that he is with the walking vagina he has immortalized himself as being a bad boy because he is with the slut of hollywood. "I have lovers" "I got to hotles with them and sleep and then go back to my kid". yeah, everyone that is great parenting. amazing she would tell the world this but not want to talk about that relationship. she was probably making it up all she say is for shock value.

And Jen gave him the divorce because he was holding out on it or probably threatened to put something in the divorce papers that would be upsetting to Jen.

Ok...yeah...umm..Leslie did Jen tell you this? Or did you come up with this theory on your own?

So sophie, are you saying that Angie has a superhuman vagina? One that can make happily married men leave their girl next door wives, that it can leap buildings in a single bound and all that...

Damn, NASA should clone Angelina and the US would have total world domination.

#179 a whore for me is pretending that you are a victim when you know exactly what you have done. knowing that you are having any type of realtionship with a married man is whorish. Did any one think maybe she is the rebound girl. maybe she knew that and had to get pregnate so she could prove that they are in "love" and they do geniuley care for eachother look at them she is always the one grabbing his hand not the other way around. whores are immitater they pretend to be human but down inside they are just skanks.

The fact is angelina want her kids to have status in hollywood that is it. I t would be horrible to knwo my mother was a vampire and had her ex-husbands blood around her neck but now there mother is an ex vampire with her ex hubbys blood around her neck- prissy boy weird nostril cheater. much better. she is a whore!

#183 very funny naww one is enough, seroisly everyone should get there calndar casue if that kid was concieved when BRAD and Jen were married then angelina will have defianlty earned her whore status. "I wouldn't be able to look at myself is I slept with a married man" unless he is separting

LOL. Sophie you r just too much. Vampire? Vampire? Seriously, where did that come from. Btw, still waiting on the rewrite on that first post. I want to reply, I really do but I can't.

Sophie,
Please try using spell check or a dictionary or call a friend for some help.

"#179 a whore for me is pretending that you are a victim when you know exactly what you have done"

The only one in this media love triangle pretending to be a victim is JA. So are you calling Jennifer a whore?

Sophie,you need help,have you really read what you wrote.Whores are immitater they pretend to be human but down inside they are just skanks,THAT IS THE MOST ASININE STATEMENT,IT MADE NO SENSE.You need to get a grip and let this go,maybe you should try femalefirst.com.I think that site would suit you better.

Africa Girl,
Isn't it funny that sophie spells all of the foul words correctly but not much else? LMAO

I'm heading home now. Hold down the fort ladies.

sophie you are a tard. sorry, didn't want to sink to your level but it had to be done. ciao!

I'm reading Sophie's post and it makes no sense at all.Angelina want's her kids to have staus in Hollywood,it would be horriable to know that your mother is a vampire.What the hell kind statements are those.Sophie,I really think you need help.Really,Really bad.

Showed it around the world?? How can you hide it? They showed nothing. The papparazzi are the ones who "showed."...................sure brad and angie are not tom and katie

LOL lou. I read her first post 3 times trying to make sense of it. I want to be fair (you know, to show we r not a biased bunch) but she is not helping with other posts. She lost me at vampire. I mean, come on Vampire! That still cracks me up.

I bet she comes back using a different name.

IMO, i don't think he cheated. there were many oppourunities, but i don't think he crossed that line, angelina would not be a part of it. he just didn't want sex from angelina, he wanted a LIFE with her. he has always been a one woman man.....the vacation they took together w/david/courtney, jan 05, those were sincere pix of him and jen. i don't think he would hurt her, like that.....cheated physically, no. cheated emotionaly...........he was obvious already in love w/angelina jan05....he was falling in love w/her every day while, they filmed MAMS....i think both of them checked out of the marriage. jen wanted a movie career. he wanted angelina/kids...........

Tried to find a twelve step program to help with this addiction, but no luck. This is so time-consuming...but you know what, Sue #110?? Rica DOES know! We may not know how she knows, but she KNOWS! Must be intuition. And I wish Nancy, who I think does have a real connection, not just the spiritual one Rica has, should get in touch with Rica and "spill bean more", so Rica can include some real inside stuff in the stories. We Love You BAMZ!

Hey Lou, you know I am starting to think that's what happens with most of these....haters. It seems like when we show them the folly of their arguments the go away only to come back spouting the same thing but under a different name.

I forgot to add this personal message to Brad: Brad, you are my honeybun, and I just bought "Legends of the Fall", which I hope will be profitable for you, now that I know you both contribute so heavily from your earnings to those in need. And to the mean person who answered one of my heart-felt posts with the message "Moron", I don't care! It's good to love. Try it.

LOL, Addictedto BAMZ+1, when you find a 12 step program, please contact me. Until then, let's just enjoy it.

Kerchy, you are too nice still trying to explain but they are not listening. They hold on to their anger and false sense of betrayal like a drowning person to a life boat.

I don't think Brad cheated.Something tells me these two are hot hot hot when getting it on,and Angie is rocking his world.No way could Brad go home and lie to Jen everynight.I just don't buy it.I think he tried to do the right thing,but his heart wasn't in it.Angie has it pretty bads as well,notice in photos she's always looking at him all googly eye,like a love sick teenager.They are in love.

Does everyone actually realize that you don't really know Brad or Angie. That you have never met and in all probability will never meet Jennifer. That you do not and will never know exactly what went on in some else's marriage. Yes, everyone has the right to an opinion but to state one's opinion as fact is the sign of a confused mind. The horrid insults and comments are at worst racist and hateful and at best just laughable because the people writing their comments are delusional. Repeat after me "I do not personally know Brad, Angie, Jen or Vince. I do not know how they feel, I do not know how they will act in the future. I cannot read minds"

To the people who vent poison towards the children. You have a demented mind. Please get up walk to the nearest mirror have a long look at yourself and realize that you are a low class sicko to insult children whatever your feelings about their parents and then please hit yourself across the face as hard as you can. Thank-you

Sophie, # 167 @ 6:05---
Angelina "isn't that smart"...Don't even go there, Soph, don't even go there, cuz you make such an easy target...and Anna, #136 @ 3:32, if ever a perfect post existed to speak for all BAMZ addicts, this was it. Wish I knew you!

Rica - what is the link to your fan fic.

thanks Baby!

Shopie, is right. Nobody can tell me otherwise. It makes sense what you said. You were very very very harsh but sometimes things need to be said like that. And if people in here think AJ is not a hore, watch Original Sin and Gia. The only reason she got those movies is because she agreed to show her 36C breast. I agree 100% with Shopie!

Oh i get it. ....all your pathetic small narrow minded minds ..guess most of the AJ posters are much too complex for your simple mind ..

#204 - tell me you can't differentiate fiction from reality . So AJ was in the Movie Gia ...that means she is a lebsian, she is in original sin ..she is a sinner ?

Gosh .. you are all pathetic minds.. I wonder how informed you are about facts of life and global issues. No wonder you folks give JA such a bad name .. birds of a feather flock together.

Amythist,just because a woman shows her breast in a movie,that doesn't make her a whore.If she is so untalented why did she win a oscar?By the way the movie she won the oscar for,no nudity required.

And Leslie, #176 @6:13---
I'm sorry, but what could Brad possibly... "say in divorce papers that would be upsetting to Jen?"... After all, not being able to act is not grounds for divorce. You know, Jennifer never ever said she love him and would never ever heal because she lost him. Actually, is there a quote anywhere where she actually said she loved him ? Ya got me thinkin...

#204, other actress and actors also show all in movies...are they all whores too?....How can you use a fictional characters in the movie as your base to judge someone in real life?....so if someone played all the monsters, evils, bad guys roles... in real life he/she is also bad and evil?... JA is in the movie the good girl...did her character was having an affair while she was married in the movie and got pregnant?...

Amythist I can see why you'd agree with "Shopie". You both think very much alike, makes me think you are one person, hmmmmmm.

Rica post #57, your a genius!!! Love the Pussy Fed thing! got me rollin' here. Who cares what these dumbasses think of Angie/Brad. All that matters is that we the fans are really enjoying the pairing. I've never been this excited about anyone and all my dreams have come true since the first rumor started of them holding hands on the set. Hope they'll come w/ a sequel to Mr/Mrs Smith. I love that movie! I love the BAMZplus1. Jared, you are awesome! Thanks to you. I get my daily high of that awesome family. I can't thank you enough!

African Girl,I was thinking the same thing.

Someone's GOT to say it! Sophie, the word is "pregnant", not "pregnate". Since you've spelled it that way several times in two different posts, it can't be a typo. And for that matter, Amythist, her name is "Sophie", not "Shopie". I'm just saying. And for that matter, it's "Amethyst", not "Amythist", but Oh, well...thanks for the big laughs of the night.

Someone's GOT to say it! Sophie, the word is "pregnant", not "pregnate". Since you've spelled it that way several times in two different posts, it can't be a typo. And for that matter, Amythist, her name is "Sophie", not "Shopie". I'm just saying. And for that matter, it's "Amethyst", not "Amythist", but Oh, well...thanks for the big laughs of the night.

Sophie, leslie, etc. IMO, Brad and AJ don't owe us any explanation. Its their lives. The fact that they don't explain doesn't mean that they have done anything wrong. Let me state from the outset, I'm a BAMZ's fan in case what I've written below is misinterpreted.

I do believe all celebrities and the press manipulate one another. I have a friend who use to be one of Princess Diana's favourite press photographers and he had some stories to tell about Diana. Given that the celebrities all do manipulate the press and vice versa that's part of the game, it would behove us the readers to remember the following:

a) take everything you see and read, about anyone in the press with some salt - some celebrities and some reports, with a large sackful of salt;

b) from my research over the last few months, I can safely say don't believe anything you read in the following tabloids and websites unless you like to believe in badly told lies: (i) post chronicle, )(ii) national ledger (iii) in touch (iv) star (iv) the sun (v) life & style (vi) page six (have I left any of the really bad ones out??)

c) As the rules of the celebrity game involves media manipulation, I respect the ones who know how to manipulate the press in such a way that it seems natural. JA lost my respect with her heavy handed attempts to manipulate the public's perception in the VF article. She got her friends to do the dirty work dishing out the dirt on Brad. Now how does anyone know in other interviews, whether quotes from various sources are true or not? She would have been better off doing a Naomi Watts or a Nicole Kidman. Say nothing except wish the best for your ex. Then bam - a whole series of interviews for Good housekeeping, etc etc. long after the films Derailed and Rumour had come out. IMO she has cheapened her pain and that's why people are getting irritated with her and left me wondering if she really really did feel real pain.

d) As far as manipulation of the media goes, I can't fault Brad and AJ so far. They've said just enough to state their position (no we didn't cheat) and that's that. After separation between Brad and JA, then all marriage vows are suspended. In any case, no evidence of the relationship took place before April 05, AFTER the divorce was filed. Then, no real interviews there after but a stream of photos - which were taken by the paps, to reinforce the message that they were a couple and a family - ie, Brad really really wants kids.

ONly announcement of the adoption and name change - that is, brad really really wants kids. For those who don't believe Brad has applied for adoption, I don't believe Brad and AJ would be so stupid to announce something like that if it weren't true. That sort of truth will come out in due course because sooner or later, the adoption will have to be made public. Witnesses are involved. Billy bob is involved. What has been masterly has been the deliberateness of their media manipulation. See them in Pakistan, see them flirting in Tokyo, see them shopping or playing with the kids, see them in Haiti, see them in Davos, see them in Berlin, in Paris. See them purposely seek out the limelight in situations which highlight their charity work. see them live normal quiet lives at other times, appearing at least to deliberately avoid the press and the paps. Perhaps they really want to avoid them, perhaps not. You, the reading public can never be sure and that adds to their mystery and allure. See them take the hits from the JA press without defending themselves. See public sympathy and patience for JA wear out.

Ted C said he thought JA's VF interview was a mistake and he is correct. Then there's Oprah and other interviews since. What will be interesting will be whether JA can regain control of what the press is saying.

I'm going to conclude my rather long post with this thought. In America, a leader is seen as powerful if he leads from the front. He/she is leading the charge, taking action. In Indonesia, a leader is powerful if you hardly hear of him or see him doing anything at all and yet, things get done, fall into place as the leader would want it. You probably all understand the American position as that is the popular view of leadership and power.

I would like to explain the Indonesian/Javanese view of power just in case some of you find it puzzling. Suharto was the president of Indonesia for approximately 30 years. At the height of his power in the 1980s to mid 1990s, he hardly seem to issue any direct orders or make statements to the press. But he didn't need to. People knew what he would approve or not approve. They censored themselves. They conducted their affairs in a way which were consistent with Suhartos likes and dislikes. If someone did something he didn't like, he just needed to speak a quiet word and all would fall back into place. Was he a dictator and a corrupt one at that - yes. Was he powerful - very. I knew he was losing power in 1997 during the Asian financial crisis when the news papers reported him making some statements publicly. That's a sign he was losing his power and sure enough, he was felled shortly after.

The analogy with BP and AJ is the same. By not appearing to care, not making any direct references, yet they get as much if not more publicity then otherwise, they draw attention to the things they want attention to be drawn - their work, and they as a family unit. I do respect their skills in playing the celebrity game.

AddictedtoBamz+1 you forgot "Whore" for "hore"

Just want to make one point clear to my long email. I do believe JA felt pain. But was it more the pain of loss of the marriage and all its possibilities with Brad, or was it the pain of humiliation of seeing Brad moving on to AJ AND showing JA to be the woman who didn't want children? For me, there is a difference. There is a difference between feeling pain for the loss of ones husband and the pain of seeing your husband move on. The first pain is the pain of losing the man, the second is the pain of seeing another get the man you didn't really want but don't want others to want (is that phrase: Dog with a bone?? correct??)

And before anyone says, its the pain of knowing your husband cheated, let me just point to the VF interview where she says she doesn't think he did as confirmed by her best friend Courtney Cox. So it isn't the pain of having been cheated.

I've been reading comments for this sites for ages now but have never posted. And now for my first foray: No one knows if AJ and BP cheated or not. And if they did, they wouldn't be the first or last couple to do so. People cheat. Its not good but it happens.

Doesn't make her a whore or a slut. She's a grown woman and kudos to her for being sexually confidant. I should hate to think that people immediately assume that just because she's said she likes sex she's a slut. Well, I happen to LOVE sex, so what does that make me?

As for her past? Operational word is PAST. I'm sure most of you have done some sort of dodgy stuff back in your heyday as well.

I also think its interesting how some people insist that AJ only does humanitarian work to look good to the public eye. You never know, she might actually be doing a lot more goodwill work...out of the public eye. How would we know? We wouldn't be seeing it.

I'm not going to say AJ is an amazingly perfect woman. I think she's beautiful and that she's grown up a lot in the past few years. I do not think its fair to judge her for her past actions. For the people who do, go read Les Miserables and learn a bit about human character. Maybe develop some for yourself.

*Incidentally, anyone ever notice that Jen Aniston and Ange Jolie have each other's initials backwords? i.e. JA and AJ

# 176 | Leslie | March 7, 2006 06:13 PM

"Yes, I've cheated. Not with someone else's husband and i make sure not flirt with somebody else's husband,"

Color me confused, but how exactly did you cheat with, and are you saying their's cheating, and then theres CHEATING?

jpf

Edit of #218........had to fix some things lol.

# 176 | Leslie | March 7, 2006 06:13 PM

"Yes, I've cheated. Not with someone else's husband and i make sure not flirt with somebody else's husband,"

Color me confused, but who exactly did you cheat with, and are you saying there's cheating, and then there's CHEATING?

jpf

Just read this from Ted C over at E! Not saying it's gospel, but, from a semi-reliable source.

QUOTE:
Jennifer Aniston crony who also requested anonymity at the Governor's Ball: "Jennifer looked unhappy, because Jennifer is unhappy. She hasn't been happy ever since she realized she was married to the wrong man, and that was some time ago." END QUOTE

# 217 | Desert | March 7, 2006 10:24 PM

Love this post! Les Miserables is a perfect suggestion! Also, for monts I've been saying how funny it is that JA & AJ had the same intials, just backwards.

To Victoria /Sophie,
Brad didn't cheat ! BRad and Jen separated on Jan and file for divorce on Mar. there's nothing wrong of Angie getting impregnated on Sept. Jen was shacking with Vince the whole summer she didn't get pregnant because she either infertile or she just didn't want a baby. they are separate person separate life why shound they need the approval of Jen .

Brad is such a great Father. I see Brangelina having many children, and having a very happy life.
BAMZ + 1

# 216 | lylian | March 7, 2006 10:21 PM

I've wondered if it was the loss of Brad, or the loss of him to another woman also. The msn article link someone posted today (it's somewhere in here lol) in some ways suggests that.

Many assume that because one supports Jolie-Pitt, they have never been in Jennifer's shoes.....not true. While many can relate to true love lost, I believe there are just as many who've spent more time nursing the pain of losing to another woman/man over them.

Once you distinquish the difference between what the ego is dealing with, from what the heart is dealing with, you'd be surprised how many more people are tending to their scorched self esteem, and not necessarily the end of a love affair.

jpf

Well said, Lylian, poster #214
I also feel JA would have been better served doing a Nicole Kidman and saying nothing. I'm really tired of her little digs at Brad (things like "at least now my living room furniture is comfortable"), her disrespect of AJ's work (she has made a couple of references to the UN that were negative--IMHO--she should have stayed quiet regardless of what she believes), her eyeball rolling etc. I'm just plain tired of Jen!!! What has she done to give something back to this world? Doesn't sound like much. And maybe people feel AJ is not a good ambassador for the U.S., but her just being in a country like Haiti or Pakistan is sometimes the only reference the local population has as to what an American is in real life vs. what they hear via propaganda and the movies. I believe Angie really cares, but I know a lot of folks don't believe she does--however, the important thing as an ambassador is that the people who's lives she is touching feel cared for and about.
Sorry for my rambling, I was reading another blog and some posts regarding poor Jen. Honestly, can't she just move on with her life and if not, can she at least quit rolling her eyeballs, making snide remarks and just shut up and grin and bear it????

Excuse me, but Jennifer knew he wanted a baby when they got married, all of a sudden she wants a career that matches his. As far as AJ is concerned, I love her because she has substance that Jennifer could never match on her best day. He saw her, he saw the kids, she was virile, fertile and happy with herself and her career and he figured out where he could get the best four of four. And I'm a woman who loves Angelina and thinks she has it all over most of the two-bit actress with blond hair that rome Hollywood's hills. Good for Brad, I knew six years ago they'd be together everyone heard me say it then, and i was right, so get used to it and just remember that beauty fades, but stupid is forever. There's nothing about Angie that is remotely stupid.

Marcy- Please tell us more.
"I knew six years ago they'd be together everyone heard me say it then, and i was right"

What made you think that they'd be together? I had no clue.

THIS IS ALL PURE BULLSHIT SPECULATIONS about AJ. The legitimate people who worked and knows AJ speaks volume, not this gossip blog. De Niro, Oliver Stone, Kofi Annan, Bono, the list goes on....I am sure all these people along with the head of states in Africa, pakiston,Cambodia are all stupid and are being manipulatd by AJ, that's why she gets to work with all of them. Where is your COMMON SENSE people

WoW!! BP flies plane, become more of a humanitarian, travel and see the world. Oh Shit!His life is spiraling into a black hole!! Somebody SAVE him now!!

Actually, some of them are stupid, like Angelina.

Emily,
Don't be a sourpuss and don't be jealous. On any given day Angie can meet with world leaders. And you?

"are pathetic bitches that need spunk on their flat asses....yep sandiego need a toy put in her ass so that she can have orgasm...he! he! he!"

oh..... #66, how i am SO, SO glad that people like YOU r the ones who support Angelina. "he!he!he!"

Lola, I GUARANTEE you, that with the scholar background I have, I can be MUCH, MUCH better than Angelina. The only reason she is getting attention is because she is a celebrity. But her speaking skills are nothing but fake and senseless.

Emily,please do not compare Lola to the person who wrote that idiotic post.I think you know Lola is far more intelligent than that.So don't go there.

oh..... #66, how i am SO, SO glad that people like YOU r the ones who support Angelina. "he!he!he!"

This is how you represent yourself as a person with a scholarly background? Where did you get your advance degree? Idiot University?

Yep, you're the best Emily, what a JOKE!!!

Lylian, you are brilliant!

SOPHIE:

Your circular argument on virtue is exhausting, more so when your command of the language lacks proper syntax. You, along with the other posters who master the same manner of expression, are the epitome of insolence and moral braggarts.

It is appalling and disconcerting that a woman will degrade another woman with foul adjectives and diatribe; especially toward a woman who not only has turned her life experiences and focus into something remarkable and positive, but has also made a lifetime commitment to unconditionally love displaced children. With model citizens such as you, we need not recognize Ms. Jolie's many efforts and contributiions that benefit the downtrodden.

"'Tis better to be silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt."

Emily
Actually, some of them are stupid, like JA.

Emily,let me give you a valuable piece of advice,a person does not have to be a scholar to help the less fortunate.The williness to help is the most important quality the person should possess.P.S you are not the only person with a scholor background.OK

These are all great post. Some for BAMZ and some for JA.

I was going to say somethings regarding Leslie, Sophie, and #204 but it has already been said.

Right now is March 7, 2006 and some people are still talking about "the golden couple" and how and why the split. It's over. We are the ones whether fighting for BAMZ or cursing them dragging this thing on. These people have moved on but we haven't. I'm at the place where I'm trying or hoping I could figure out what happen because the entire divorce thing came as a shock. I love to read the fanfics b/c it's like I'm finding out what happened but really I will never know what happened b/c they have moved on and the past is the past.

My husband asked me tonight "what is it about these people" that I'm into it so much. My only response was...the whole situation or sitcom if I can call it that makes me reflect on myself and my relationship with people.

Do I want to neglect my husband, my children, my small not to interesting life? No

Do I have choices whether it's career or not? Yes

Am I out for pity or do I want to hurt people I love? No

Have I ever emotionally ever cheated? Yes/No/Maybe

Do I ALWAYS show my spouse the love and affection he so greatly deserve? No

All in All...I'm looking at them and readjusting my life. I may have thought everything was great in my life but looking or peeking at their lives I'm finding things I could have done better and things I should do better and things I will do better.

So whether they cheated, she used him, she's using him now, they used the media, she used the media...it doesn't matter...what are they doing now.

Look at those pictures of Braddox...you can't tell me this is not a happy man and child. You can't tell me that when BP/AJ look at each other you can't see love. Look at AJ and Z don't they look happy. Look at JA and VV don't they seem happy...and that's all we mere common folks want right...just to be happy and deeply love the people we are with...for this spand in time.

I just felt like I had to write something because when you read some of the hate regarding all parties involved (kids, AJ, BP, JA, VV) it sometimes make me sick to think people could say such horrible things about people they don't know...and we truly don't know these people...we just speculate and wish we knew them.

Sorry for the long post...I was going to say great pics but you ladies and gents know how it goes once you start typing

Medlaw,
You are my new best friend. Hmmm...you're going to have to bring it down a notch or two or ten if you want Sophie to understand your post. I'm afraid she won't be able to get past the first sentence. Its obvious that she was not taught about syntax and does not know the meaning of the word. Its equally obvious that the word diatribe is going to throw her for a loop. LOL
Absolutely splendid post. (applause)

sophie. amithyst....this is 2006..brad is gone, aj is pregnant, they have kids, living together..jen is alone...oh no...with vince and these are facts real facts not illusions!!....do you have any power or business or any say to put back time where the "golden couple" was living a fake unhappy life just to satisfy your illusion??? i think you will never move ahead nor forward because of your backward mentality and moralistic judging...you know what the bible say...the first person to throw the stone is the guilty person...i think it applies to you ladies (????)!! isn't it??? for your moral souls...or do you have one??? or you are just full of jealousy, unhappiness, hate and envy!!

Rica...ok for me to spill a little bean...add to your fanfic...I will e-mail the info. later.

Hi, everybody.
I like to read all writings.
Every day I come to this site to read about BAMZ+1 and happy to read your stories.

I am a AJ fan; at first, because she is great actress and second she is wonderful person.
I am a Christian and you may say very conventional but I recognize and admire people who became better person or try hard to be one. I see this in AJ.
When you see all of her interviews you can see that she tries very hard to contribute to be someone helpful to others. She does not lecture you to be one but she tells you to experience and read about other people/culture to broaden your perspectives.

When there was rumor of Brad/AJ, I was also shocked because I loved her about her as single mom doing all the wonderful things and because I thought Brad was only just dumb pretty boy. Now I include Brad in as one of the essential and lovely member of BAMZ+1. Brad endured all criticism to have his dream come true, be a useful person and to help others any way he can. I think he is courageous and also wonderful as AJ.

to learn moral values of humility, forgiveness, compassion, and happiness!!! they are so unhappy, jealous, envious and full of hate!!! wow...i think nobody loves them nor they never experienced love, compassion, understanding like we love our family....and the bamz+1 family....it is so sad!!!

aj/bp/mad/zee haters...shame on you ladies with all your pontificating...or being so arrogant to judge others especially aj....you know i hope that you all wouldn't fall down from your throne of moral superiority...it will be too horrible for you to fall down because people will say...that's what she get for being too judgemental...she deserves it!!

Hey didn't BILLY BOB say that having sex with Jolie was like making love to a couch? Ouch.

FREE BRAD

"Hey didn't BILLY BOB say that having sex with Jolie was like making love to a couch? Ouch. "

I know someone going to bring that up.... if I have to have sex with BILLY BOB, I would be stiff like a couch too....aarrggghhhhh!!!

DISCLAIMER, THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, ALSO I AM NOT SHOUTING, JUST TRYING TO BE HEARD, ER....READ:

A lot of this has already been rehashed, but still I will make my points:
1.) Being nude is a movie does not make Angie a whore, case in point Halle Berry in Monster's Ball, Nicole Kidman in Cold Mountain etc, Naomi Watts in Mulhulland (spelling?) Drive and so forth

2.) Jen might be a whore/skanky, case in point her perpetually visible nipples no matter the occasion, also practically fornicating w/ Vince on a balcony.

3.) Building off my previous point, so what if Angie got pregnant before the divorce was finalized? Way back in July we saw pics of Jen getting busy w/ vince on a law chair, I'm sorry does her pre-finalized-divorce liasons not count?

4.) It is widely know that celebrities, those who are adept at it, can utilize the media to their own ends, why not situate oneself to bring attention to needy causes like Angie does, its better to see someone helping earthquake victims than someone boosing it up in a casio, what do we learn/gain from that?

5.) I do not believe that Brad cheated on Jen, and my sources are Jen herself in VF and Courtney Cox, and BP + AJ, so why not believe them, its from their own mouths.

6.) I believe the marriage was in trouble for maybe even two yrs in advance. Jen has stated (several different sources) that she is essentially needy and insecure. Case in point the VF article where she stated that her day was ruined b/c read read an article that said Kimberly Stewart (one of the biggest fugs) called her homely! How insecure is that???

7.) In a interview, with GQ mag I believe early June last year, Brad basically said (not verbatim) in a nice way that Jen was insecure and needy (like we all know) and that she could never really accept/deal with the fact that he was her husband. She was always searching for validation, like she couldn't believe her luck, and she constantly needed his reaasurance and affirmation that he was her man, despite the fact that she had no reason to feel that way. Furthermore she admitted she was having a hard time dealing w/ the end of friends and felt that Brad wasn't there for her enough. Maybe a combination of her insatiable neediness and want for validation turned Brad off and he got tired of dealing with her issues, and had to move on.

8.) Jen is not as nice as she would have you believe, and she manipulates the media as well, i.e. the obvious pity party, why discuss your marital problems with a whole nation? Thats something that really only needs to be shared with friends and family, unless you want sympathy. Also, why all the snide remarks, not sure the source, but in an article when asked whether she would have kids or adopt, she retorted (refering to adoption) "no---thats not me." Like it was something beneath her and she'd never stoop to that level.

9.) Brad and Angie don't owe anybody an explanation, its their prerogative to keep their private life private, Jen is the one who has decided to invite the media/public in by crying on the shoulder of America, which in turn creates a demand for a response from the other side (BP/AJ) but we have yet to see them answer in print. Hence they will be hounded in an attempt to answer all the circulating questions, so why not convert that into publicity for worthy causes?

I'd really like to have a 10th point to make it all end nicely, but I don't, maybe later, tho I'm sure ppl will find fault w/ what i've said, it all seems logical or plausible in most capacaties, and there are sources to back it up, so take a good read. Also I'm not so naive to think that BP/AJ are living blissfully unawares in Paris, they too want to manage their image, however, like someone previously mentioned they are in the power position, little has to be said, the ball is in their court, which is probably where they want it, why say anything and risk a tip in the balance, when Jen has said enough for everyone.

And shout out to my peeps! rica, cindy2, lou, african girl and the others, u kno who u r! Keep spreading the love!!! BAMZ+1 FUH-EVAH!!!

Rica, I am interested about your fanfic. What is it and where can I find it?
I love AJ and Brad and their little family. It blows me away that I am actually interested to know more about them. I was never a star fan before until they came along as a family. Both of them are so gorgeous looking and great people who know how to care for others. The way Angelina changed into a better person is an inspiration. May their tribe increase!

I don't feel bad for Jen and here's why. She's right, she never did desearve Brad. I'm so glad he finally figured it out. She is a snobby rich girl and is better off with her own kind (Vince). Jen is a has been trying to do anything she can to keep people talking about her. She probably only married Brad in the first place to try to further her career and now she is doing the same thing with Vince. I have been a Brad fan for many years and when he married her I thought "Why would he do that?" She was merely a TV personality and he is a moviestar! Then I thought well maybe he can help her grow as an actress. Unfortunatly Jen is very shallow and he finally caught on to that it seems. I have always been an Angelina fan because not only is she beautiful but she is very honest. Like her or not she is her own person and she really doesn't care what you think but while you looking anyway she might as well try to make you think about something important. My opinion is that after having to deal with such a shallow preppy for so many years Brad finally matured enough as a man (it takes them longer) to want to be with someone with a little more going on then just who is the most popular girl on the block. Angel has more character and more of a reason to live besides just partying it up at the casino. She wants to help heal the world, and she's doing it.

Wonder how many Angie haters lost thier men to woman who have more going on then they do. Seems like a personal problem to me.

Thank you for the pics.
However, we should let BAMZ alone and be happy.
We should respect their privacy.

Why do we need to know their's every day life ?

Thanks

A formal hello to all my fellow BAMZ peeps from my brief visit this morning. Okay ladies and gents, I have a lot to catch up with and yes, LOT to say! So if you suffer from verbal vertigo, either proceed with caution or don't go any farther. I have no Dramine for you.

Earlier in the day after hearing about Dana Reeve's death, I didn't want to disrespect her passing by dealing with the dronings of the haters. All pales in comparison as merely trivial. But I can't stay away from my peeps. Before I go on with the haters, I want to pay my little tribute to her by revisiting the bestowing of (Wo)man of the Year to Jennifer by GQ in 2005.

It still galls me GQ chose Jennifer simply for surviving a divorce when a woman of Dana's caliber had done so much in her short life. Despite all her setbacks, she was always resilient, strong, upbeat and devoted to her husband, Christopher Reeve. I was amazed at her strength and love in caring and nurturing Chris, even when sometimes his will waned. Anybody who has ever been a caretaker knows it's not easy. But she never wavered. When Chris passed away, she forged on without any pity. She chose to treasure what she still had. As if life couldn't be more unfair, she was dealt another blow. Where others may crumble, she took on her lung cancer affliction (despite her never smoking) with grace, optimism and courage. It's a slap in the face of true survivors that Jennifer was ever even considered as someone to be marvelled for a divorce. But
I truly hope Jennifer will finally take stock of her life and get off the cancer sticks.

It's people like Dana Reeve and Kirby Puckett, who also died yesterday at just 44 and beset with misfortunes (e.g., baseball injury that shortened his illustrious career, sexual harrassment suit for which he successfully defended against) despite his being a model citizen, that leaves me a non-believer in karma - as much as I love it as an ideal principle to keep people in check.

On the red herring issue of cheating, when are you, haters, going to let go of that piecemeal bone? Even the vultures have deserted it. Not even the rags had the smoking gun on Brad cheating with Angie, despite hiring paparazzis to stalk the set of MAMS. Never mind that there were behind-the-scenes and making-of featurettes filmed on the set to catch their every move either. So where and when did Brad and Angie ever find the time to get it on, as Marvin Gaye sang? For all of that, the best out there is Angie sitting on Brad's lap which replicates a scene in MAMS? Fershizzzit!

Here's an example of rumors clawing at thin air with the absence of that smoking gun:

["It was so obvious," said a member of the Mr. and Mrs. Smith team, "that something was up between them."

"How so, exactly?" I inquired in my best detective-ese.

"Hey, I'm not saying they had an affair," barked the Hollywood veteran. "I'm just saying that when they talked on the set, I'm talking about when they weren't filming. They were tight."

http://www.eonline.com/Gossip/Awful/cauth/Archive2005/050428b.html]

"They were tight." That's the ONLY recurring theme the rumors hang the cheating on. Yes, by all accounts, Brad and Angie have been extremely close. But guess what? Both Brad and Angie get along extremely well with their co-stars of the opposite sex. Brad befriended Catherine Keener to a friendship that has lasted for 15 years or so. He and Julia Roberts hanged out during the Mexican filmshoot, where they would chat, sing and play their guitars with just the two of them. Brad also spent great amount of time with Claire Forlani on "Meet Joe Black" and in her trailer. He attended a social function with her apart from their movie premieres. Both denied they were ever romantic and stated they were strictly friends. This was around the same time Brad and Gwyneth broke up, and he took the blame for it despite all later accounts and revelations it was Gwyneth's fault - by her own admission.

For Angie, practically any male co-star is rumored to be her lover, despite the fact she is far choosier in her male companions than Jennifer. She was rumored to be moving in on Antonio Banderas when at that time she was so into Billy Bob Thornton, it was amusing to see her and Billy Bob caressing all over each other at any place. Even thoough Melanie Griffith stated she wasn't jealous (she and Angie were very friendly with each other at the premieres), rumors were fabricated that Melanie had to go to the set to keep her husband on a leash.

Both Val Kilmer and Colin Farrell had the hots for Angie, yet Angie kept both at a distance as platonic friends. If you saw pictures of her with Colin on their trip to Egypt, you wouldn't think anything of the MAMS pictures supposedly proving any intimate relationship between Angie and Brad. Yes, there was also the talk that because Colin and Angie hanged out and had drinks after filming, they were rumored to be lovers. NOT TRUE, as both have set the record on. Both Colin and Angie have reputations of the most open and candid stars in Hollywood to lie.

Tabloids can't keep their story angles straight either. When it's not Oliver Martinez on "Taking Lives," it's Ethan Hawke or Keifer Sutherland from the same movie set that Angie had affairs with. How can she juggle all three men without them killing each other with jealousy?

I feel sorry for women as gorgeous as Angelina. There are advantages in beauty but there are costs, too. For Angelina, it's the jealousy and unrequited infatuation that delude certain factions it is acceptable to treat her less than as a human being with emotional feelings. They feel they can outright lie about her and make her a villain. It's not enough Angie sets herself on her own outside the mainstream, but those people want to drag her dignity into the mud solely or their sick, unhealthy obsessions.

I've personally seen that happen with a female colleague who was arguably the most gorgeous in the company. She was down-to-earth, friendly, kind and unassuming about her beauty. Yet, the women in the company acted like cliquish hens in ostracizing her, and she was always the favorite victim of gossip. Of course, I wasn't among those hens, as I'm not intimidated by beauty.

Doug Liman probably spent the most time with the two and he was so blindsided by the cheating rumors, he thought for sure it was the product of the studio hype machine to generate massive publicity for the film.

In any case, as has been frequently asked, where is that evidence, proof, sworn testimony, smoking gun there was cheating when all parties involved deny it ever occurred? Haters make for awful jurors; they would convict even before the first oral argument in a trial.

It's noble that Brad takes it for the team to carry the blame in his breakups by keeping quiet, even when clearly he wasn't at fault. But I do wish his camp would be more active in countering Jennnifer's blameless act, as I see the person most unfairly and unjustifiably smeared is Angelina. Okay, so Brad doesn't want to smear Jennifer; it wasn't about children. Well, then at least clarify they had marital problems before he ever met Angie. Rumors were already rife in 2003 they might divorce. If anything, Brad should have cut his losses then and there.

It seems to me that Brad's family played right into Jennifer's puppetstring hands with Brad's mom and sister coming out to visit Jennifer in Chicago (which was conveniently caught by the paparazzi to publish for all to see) as some moral support for the scorned ex-wife. See, since the family sides with Jennifer and they don't like Angie, some kind of illicit affair must have happened. Well, that's what Jennifer's camp seems to want the public to think and the haters to embrace. Any insights by the Springfield anonymous insider on how Brad's family really feels about being played like that?

Have I cheated? No. Have I ever been cheated on? No, but I've been backstabbed with the lesson learned of fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me. I move on and cut those who are toxic out of my life. I never look back. If Brad were toxic to Jennifer or Jennifer toxic to Brad, good for the both of them they've broken free of each other.

Now, do I personally know cheaters? Yes, I do. As I've disclosed before, I consider one of my better friends to be ones who were unfaithful in the formation of their relationship. Who am I to apply a cheating litmus test to judge if they are good enough to be my friends? They are decent, gracious and warm people. Whatever hurt and pain was caused to the ex-wife was worked out between the hubby and her, which is none of my business for meddling.

Do I know someone who has been the victim of cheating? Sure have, one of my close relatives. Certainly my heart goes out to her. But I'm certainly not going to waste my energy on hating the playa, soon-to-be ex-husband. I'd rather rush her divorce from him and leave him in the dust.

Take a page from Dana Reeve, please!

It's too trite and cliched to say "once a cheater, always a cheater." Hmm, Prince Charles sure has held that torch for Camilla all those years, and evidently he hasn't strayed from her since Princess Diana. Paul Newman has been the model husband to Joanne Woodward. Spencer Tracy never left Katherine Hepburn's side despite his marriage in name only to his wife. Even a playboy can change his stripes as Warren Beatty has done with his wife of over 13 years, Annette Benning. Why? Maybe he found that woman in Annette who matched him in mind, spirit and goals to be the better man.

Already, it's obvious Brad has become the better - if not healthier - man when he coupled with Angie. He has greater goals; he has a deeper meaning for life; he has fulfillment with his children and a girlfriend, who has led him to those improvements. Most important, Angie provided that motivation and incentive to finally kick that nasty and deathly habit of smoking. For that, even Brad's family ought to be grateful to Angie.

Evidently, the haters are so desperate with their wish for the demise or misery of BAMZ, they are also denying Brad has filed any adoption papers.

According to Brad's publicist, Cindy Guagenti: "Brad Pitt is in the process of becoming the adoptive father of both children."

http://people.aol.com/people/articles/0,19736,1137595,00.html

In Angelina's petition to change her children's last name, it states the reason for name change to be combination "with the last name of the ADOPTIVE FATHER to be of her child."

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3494/635/1600/brad2.2.jpg

It would be fraud if Brad hasn't filed adoption papers for the name change to be granted, which became official on January 20th.

"name change was given "enlight of the fact that Mr. Pitt's adoption of said minors would be approved" This isn't usually added to a Judge's statements unless the proof is on the Judge's desk."

Ahhh, the logic of BAMZ fans that escape the haters. Good point, Phi!

"Isn't funny Sandiego calls Angie vile names but doesn't want anyone to be vile with him/her. It is always the ones that dish out the dirt that are the least likely to take it."

Mary, that is the recurring hypocrisy of haters. They love to bitch about how we treat them even as they are doing most of the name-calling. They think that we should walk on eggshells around them as they break all the glasses in the house.

I don't see Brad and Angie running or hiding either. Rather, they are LIVING their lives to the fullest without encumbrance. What more could a loving family want than to spend their time with each other doing things that make themselves happy? Certainly, I can't expect the haters to understand that simple notion.

When did friendship and employee become mutually exclusive? I'm actually friends with my former boss, and I was a friend when I was an employee of his. I hired a friend to work with me. We're friends foremost.

Just because Holly might have been Angelina's personal assistant only at first doesn't exclude the fact they are FRIENDS now. Do personal assistants hang out with their employers during their play time? Holly hanged out with Angie on their purely personal (not business) get-together of going to the Paris museum and to the park. What business was there to be attended to and assisted by Holly then and there? When did employees ask their bosses to be bridesmaids unless those bosses were also friends, as Holly did with Angie?

Angie has stated that the women she would go for were the godmothers to Maddox and the one who just got married to a man, whom can be deduced to be Holly. Sheesh, it's not Angie who has to be insecure about any woman as she has bigger fish to fry and she is roundly anointed the sexiest and most beautiful across several magazine editors/readers. It's the women needing to vilify Angie who are insecure.

B & A needn't tell us they are happy because their friends have told the press that. Wyclef Jean, Jamie Oliver, George Clooney (in the Italian Vogue), to name a few of the more recognizable names.

For all the dissing of Angie as a slut, what irony it's Jennifer who has had more lovers than Angie. Want to compare? Jennifer: Charlie Schlatter, Adam Duritz, Tate Donovan, Noah Wyle, Jonathan Silverman, Grant Heslo, Daniel MacDonald, Brad Pitt, Vince Vaughn and the boyfriend who almost sold their love letters, Michael Baroni. That's at least 10 for Jennifer. Angie: Jonny Miller, Timothy Hutton, Billy Bob Thornton, Brad Pitt, boyfriend she had at 14 to 16 and the two lovers from 2004 to 2005 (of which one could have been Jonny Miller), Jenny Shimizu. That's 8, on the generous side, or 7 (not doublecounting Jonny) for Angie. Hmmm, Jennifer was more busy getting her somethin', somethin' than Angie, while Angie was celibate for 2 years after her split from Billy Bob. My, that should be considered monastic in Hollywood. More power that Angelina loves sex. We all should love sex. Isn't that the reason for orgasms? Perhaps then, there would be less sexual tension released in the form of hate. **looks no farther than at the haters***

"Angelina says she was not envolved during the marriage, but I belivew that she was and is denying it. It would spare Jennifer so much if Angelina and Brad told the truth from the beginning. Then we would not be having this argument."

What utter bullshit. It's not the truth you want. Instead you want Angie and Brad to echo all your simplistic suspicions: that the only way a marriage could be broken with a beautiful woman on the wings is cheating by the husband. Where was Angie in 2003 when the marriage began to crumble? Where was Angie when Brad bemoaned in the January, 2003 Glamour article that he and Jennifer had many disagreements about starting a family? Who the hell is Jennifer to be spared of anything, as if she was the second coming of Princess Diana? Where's her accountability for her decisions and actions in a partnership of two?

I've spoken before about my conflict of wanting to hear Brad and Angie open themselves up (as I'm always up for a good love story), but I wouldn't begrudge them should they keep a tight hold of their privacy either. Angie's days with Billy Bob certainly spoiled me. For sure, they were "different," but they were one hell of a fun couple, as well. A velcro room? I cracked up the first time I saw David Letterman jump onto a velcro wall and stick to it. Man, I wanted to try that myself.

For all the disclaimers these haters are fans of Angie, why is it so easy for them to always assume the worst about what she did? Where is their support their idol wouldn't lie when she has been nothing but unflinchingly and even embarrassingly honest about her life? Where's that unconditional support, as long as she didn't commit a heinous crime?

For the record, the media war began long before Angie became pregnant. Jennifer did her Vanity Fair interview sometime between June and July. Brad's Primetime Live interview was done in April to promote his new cause of eliminating poverty (in which he never spoke ONE ill word about Jennifer, unlike Jennifer & company). Angie became pregnant sometime in late August or in September.

"Isn't it funny that sophie spells all of the foul words correctly but not much else?"

That was hilarious, Lou. I never noticed that about haters until you pointed it out. Yeah, they mastered all the foul words to the language they are most at home with.

I'm sorry but I couldn't take either Leslie or Sophie's posts seriously to even bother refuting their asinine accusations.

"There is a difference between feeling pain for the loss of ones husband and the pain of seeing your husband move on."

That hits the nail squarely on the head that is Jennifer Aniston. Again, take a page from Dana Reeve, who said: "Rather than crying over what you've lost, smile about what you have."

Lylian, thank you for your thoughts on that press manipulation article. I was interested in the BAMZ peeeps' take on it. I'll have to post a separate comment for that. For now, I would add National Enquirer to the list of tabloids not to believe. They are utterly shameless in their fabrication of lies. Unlike US Weekly, which will occasionally own up to mistakes and retract stories WHEN reality bites them in the ass, National Enquirer doesn't back down from their blatant lies.

I recently went grocery shopping (as Jared humorously put it as Brad and Angie's favorite pastime). At the checkout lane, I saw the inflammatory headline of Brad abandoning Angie on the cover of National Enquirer. Okay, I'm familiar with NE's idiotic, alarmist stories about the state of Brad and Angie's relationship, trying to create a rift between them where none exists (hello, Brad is still wearing the rings Angie has given him and he's still by her side). They first tried to make it as if Brad and Angie had a blowup when Brad left Angie's side to go out on the town with Patsy Kensit during their first and only night in London. Yet, there were no reports - or pictures - elsewhere Brad was with anybody else but Jamie Oliver, Madonna and Guy Ritchie that night.

Still, NE refuses to eat crow. They're still running that lie into the ground in their latest fable that Brad abandoned Angie during the worst days of her pregnancy. Abandoned? What the hell? Brad left her for the minimal amount of time for his business meeting in New York City before heading straight back to her arms without any dilly-dallying.

How low can they be to use her mother's cancer as fodder to be played with as another of Angie's emotional distress? Gawd, I would swear the FF haters were writing for National Enquirer.

#233: "But her speaking skills are nothing but fake and senseless."

Funny, she is well-respected by the lawmakers who converse with her. Think what you will about lawmakers, but speaking ability and communication are a requisite to be an effective policy maker. Senator Richard Lugar has nothing but praise for her. (I'll have to post the exact quote later as I have to find it.) He's not the only one. There's the US World & News article that extolls her and Bono for their ability to be effective lobbyists in getting legislation passed in their favor.

Elena, I'm an unabashed atheist and believe me, atheists are among the most principled, compassionate people on the face of the Earth: Abraham Lincoln; the philanthropist, Andrew Carnegie; Benjamin Franklin; Helen Keller; Leo Tolstoy; John Lennon; Charles Schultz; Susan B. Anthony; Albert Einstein; Robert Frost; Thomas Jefferson; Thomas Edison; Sigmund Freud; Bill Gates; Warren Buffett; Christopher Reeve and Dave Matthews (the list may be interesting for some). What's nice is that we live by our principles because they are the right things to do and not because we fear any god or expect salvation on our judgement day. We, atheists, like to identify ourselves as humanists, emphasizing the creed to be humane.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not offended. Just don't let haters uncompromising judgements and condemnations lead you to believe they are atheists. Haters have a whole different religion than any that exists today. The major problem the haters have is reducing the human existence to non-thinking, never-evolving life forms, living the life of programmed robots. What religion teaches that? People act and react to the unique circumstances at hand. Where one may act one way to a set of variables, the same person may react differently to another set of variables. With each new experience, it builds upon our life impressions to tap into of what choices to make.

Anyhoo, you always have thoughtful posts that I love reading! It's so heartening to read more and more contemplative posts by new BAMZ fans. Alicia, you're among newcomers.

As you can imagine, this post took some time to draft, and the night is drawing late, so I'll have to resume tomorrow.

Jared, I've just noticed you're implementing a new control for the comments. Good move.

I hope it doesn't burden you too much with the extra work. On the upside, I think you will have a site with unmatched comments in quality that will attract even more high quality visitors.

Thanks from the bottom of my heart for all you do for us!!!

Okay, now I'm in a weird conversation with myself. Before my #254 comment, I attempted to post a long, long, long comment that said it would have to be approved by the blog owner? But I see my brief comment went up with no intermediary.

Hmmm....

Just so I don't double-post, I'll wait until tomorrow to see if it goes up. Otherwise, I'll attempt another posting then.

I think if Brad is really following Angie, then I dont see any problem w/ that. I think that's a good thing cuz we need more people like Angie. Caring mother, humanitarian and an excellent actress. Common, u cant get anyone better than her.... And about the cheating issue of Brad..I still believe that Angie never lure Brad way from JA. Angie always stick to her philosophy w/c is in this case...SHE WONT HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH A MARRIED MAN. so i think Angie started her romance w/ Brad whe the marriage was already over.. GO GO ANGIE!! I LUV U SO MUCH!!

Thanks so much for this site! I love the pictures and love the family. Never knew anything about them until they got together.

ewww,what?aniston is a rich girl?maybe now!she was a waitresssssss,for crying out loud!angie was a MODEL AT JC PENNY CATALOG.AYAYAY...JA should go back there.

Great pics. Berlin is a very cool city; I was there years ago before the wall fell. It is a shopping mecca like no other I have ever seen!

For everyone who was complaining about my typing, well it morning now and I am fully awake and aware then I was last night when I was typing. But it is not as if you all didn't get the point. Geeeze you got the gest didn't. Seems like there are a bunch of english teachers on this fucking board. *rolleyes*

Evidently I must be hitting some type of nerve becasue you seem to want to defend everything that I type. The girl is a homewrecker she will always be. I find it intresting that you are are defending angelina as if she would come to your rescue if you were in danger. you all are like angelina when you have nothing to come back with you divert attention. Angelina does it by protesting her love of the third world and you guys do it by saying I am a bad speller. Anything to get attention away from the fact that she is a publicity whore! She loves attention. And if it makes you feel better I think that Brad is a male Whore, too. So I guess they were meant to be.

They only way my mind will change is if they stay togethr forever. I will eat my words. Does anybody here know what forever means, people in hollywood even people who say they are not even close to being hollywood wind up only being together for 5 years. She has always sadi she is not hollywood but time and time again proves that she is the reigning queen.

Forever in Hollywood means 5 or 6 years tops, that's it. so she is what 30, 31 yeasr old will see if they are still togethr when she hit 36, 37.

I beleive JA got married to brad when she was thirt and divorced by 37. So we will see!

For everyone who was complaining about my typing, well it morning now and I am fully awake and aware then I was last night when I was typing. But it is not as if you all didn't get the point. Geeeze you got the gest didn't. Seems like there are a bunch of english teachers on this fucking board. *rolleyes*

Evidently I must be hitting some type of nerve becasue you seem to want to defend everything that I type. The girl is a homewrecker she will always be. I find it intresting that you are are defending angelina as if she would come to your rescue if you were in danger. you all are like angelina when you have nothing to come back with you divert attention. Angelina does it by protesting her love of the third world and you guys do it by saying I am a bad speller. Anything to get attention away from the fact that she is a publicity whore! She loves attention. And if it makes you feel better I think that Brad is a male Whore, too. So I guess they were meant to be.

They only way my mind will change is if they stay togethr forever. I will eat my words. Does anybody here know what forever means, people in hollywood even people who say they are not even close to being hollywood wind up only being together for 5 years. She has always sadi she is not hollywood but time and time again proves that she is the reigning queen.

Forever in Hollywood means 5 or 6 years tops, that's it. so she is what 30, 31 yeasr old will see if they are still togethr when she hit 36, 37.

I beleive JA got married to brad when she was 30 and divorced by 37. So we will see!

# 241 | Me Again! | March 8, 2006 12:50 AM

Very thought provoking post, and it answers a lot of the question your husband asked. People wonder what is about Jolie-Pitt that has fascinated so many, and for me, I just feel like "as famous as they are, as rich as & powerful as they may be, these are two people who when you get down to the core/basics of it all, they are just like the rest of us".

He wanted to have a family and be a dad, and she wanted someone to share her life with too. So many times in the past "before even meeting each other, they each expressed their hearts desires, and now they seem to have found what each wanted/needed.

I don't think either was looking for it, and it probably surprised the heck out of them both when they realized they found in each other, Nevertheless, it's one more reason why I don't think they'll be taking what they've found for granted.

So far, both have put their words into action, and I think they're going to prove all the skeptic's very wrong. The are the real deal imo.

jpf

Jeez, what are people supposed to do--NOT be together now because at some point they MIGHT split up? It doesn't work that way. They're happy and together, that's what what matters. The future wil take care of itself. Think of Dana Reeve--let BAMZ be happy NOW.

Dana Reeves so sad she dyed, I am so sad about her son. I can't imagine having lost your parents within two years. She looked like the type that could have beaten it. I hope her son is coping well. Well not everyone one is Dana and Chrsitopher Reeves.

I will just let it be and watch eevrything unfold like evreyone else! Yeah, why not BAMZ should enjoy life cause you don't know what tomorrow will bring and when it's with these two, you really don't!

# 137 | julia | March 7, 2006 03:34 PM

Thanks so much! I've been wondering what interview that quote was from. I remember that both she and Brad both said some interesting things at that time that made me say to myself that they were headed for splitsville..........LONG before Angelina Jolie ever showed up.

jpf

do you all seriously wake up and the first thing you think about is angelina, cause if that is the case seriously you are the ones who needs help! It is almost as if you wake and you won't have a great day without your fix of angelina. She has you all whipped just like she has brad whipped. It is amazing how she can do it thousands of miles away. She got all of you painting her like some heavenly angel. If she can have all of you pussy whipped like she does brad, then maybe I should give her more credit then I have been giving her!

Yes, it's morning Sophie, but still, Dana Reeve DIED, not DYED.

If you think her death with lung cancer was horrible, commend Brad for leaving that chain-smoking wife. He stopped smoking during Troy, only to start up again. It's hard to stop when someone in your home is smoking. For that alone Angie did him a favor. Your 'homewrecker' high-schooler chanting is really getting old and boring as Aniston.

Cindy2 very good and well thought post.Sophie yes your post hit a nerve,I don't like woman constantly call other woman whores.Then I notice you are now calling Brad a male whore.Is this your favorite word?Being a woman in this world is hard enough,but then you have woman like you who are judgemental,close minded and unwilling to accept change.Sophie think about what you say before you type it.

I´ve read some posts and you guys are great. I can´t keep track so I won´t pretend to state that I´ve read everything, so I´ll go a bit off topic with something that bugged me. It´s clear from some posts that there is a poster here that hates everybody who makes sintax errors. Question: do you aply that hate to everyone, specialyy those who are not English native speakers as myself or was only to one specific poster? Please do explain. I hate those kind of superiority remarks. this is meant to the poster Lola.

Look don´t get me wrong by the above, but in both sides you´ll find people who are not so good with English, so don´t start generelazing things, because there´s a lot of people here BAMZ fans like myself who unfortunately have to write on another language that not theirs to be understood.

On topic: I can´t believe people are calling Angelina dumb and whore. Almost every single stare on HW bares themselves for a movie! Are all of them whores? I think not, that ´s not what makes you a whore...

The fact that J has not a colledge degree doesn´t make her dumb. From my experience the big majority of bright people are those who didn´t manage to go to coledge.

correction for the typo obsessed:

The fact that AJ has not a colledge degree doesn´t make her dumb. From my experience the big majority of bright people are those who didn´t manage to go to coledge.

it's awesome when people speak/write more than one language

fine from now on I will call her a people person cause that is exactly what she is. she like reach out and touch everyone!( literally).

* Be sane* If my ranting are so boring and unintresting then stopp commenting it only makes sense. This is a free world my opinions are my own and I am allowed to express which ever way I desire. I have never wished that she dropp dead, I have never said I want someone to do harm to her and her family. I just said I don't agree with what occured. It wasn't ten years ago. it hasn't really even been a year and half. People on this board are talking as if they have been together for years plz, it been months. Like I said the world is watching and evidently you all here are too, we will see what happends in the future. By the way I was being very sincere about dana reeves. I hope her son is ok. an I am sorry that she *DIED* as I was corrected yet again.

* Be sane * The fact that you said someone in his his home (JA) was smoking so that is the reason he started up again just proves that he is whipped. so I suppose if he was in love with someone and they told him to jump off a roof he would do it too. people make ther own decsion and if he ever started up again it is was becasue he wanted too. not becasue his wife at the tme was doing it. Then if what your saying is correct angelina seems to be the one wearing the pants in that realtionship.

She tells him to stop smoking he does, which Is great. I mean it's not like he knew the risk before he met angelina but it's good she informed of the risk*rolleyes*

I think everyone know who the weaker sex is in this realtionship.

Sophie you came back and I see nothing has changed. Thanks for not yelling this time even though now I am thinking maybe you should so you can hear what you are saying. I mean, really hear what you are saying because no one can...should sound this ignorant even if they tried.

"Publicity Whore" are you kidding me? "she proclaims her love for third world countries in order to divert attention? What?! First off, as someone who comes from a third world country and have been to a few, I am disgusted that you think so little of us and to you the plight of a suffering continent can be used as a smokescreen. And she does this Why? So people like you would like her? Please, get over yourself. "Publicity Whore?" You do know that Ms. Jolie has been working with the UN since 2001 and it only became front burner story because of the bruhaha? So according to what you are saying, Ms. Jolie knew in 2001 that in 2006, she would find herself in a position where she would be judged by small minded people like you and decided to lay the ground work for that...right? Goodness, you call her a "publicity whore", what then would you call the Paris Hiltons and Nicole Richies of the world who have contributed nothing to mankind? You know, I am begining to think you have no idea what "publicity whore" means. Is this something you heard people say a few times and you decided to add to your vocab hmmmn? I'd understand if that is the case (it happens to the best of us, you know this primal need to be "in")

"They only way my mind will change is if they stay togethr forever" What the Hell! Sophie i'd hate to believe you are that delusional to actually think that anyone gives a rat's ass if you changed your mind or not. I mean seriously, How do you suppose you opinion counts one way or the other? The only person who would gain anything from your mind change is YOU because then you'd sound less ignorant.
Oy! sophie we are not diverting any attention by claiming you are a bad speller. You are a bad speller. There is no conspiracy here.
And one last thing you wrote "Does anybody here know what forever means, people in hollywood even people who say they are not even close to being hollywood wind up only being together for 5 years. She has always sadi she is not hollywood but time and time again proves that she is the reigning queen" WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN!!! Honestly Sophie, I am trying really hard to understand the GIST of your post but it is just so difficult. Help me out here, okay?

Di,
My post was specifically for Sophie. I read in your post that you have not read all of the other posts. If you have time, please read them, especially Sophie's and you will understand why I and others responded in the way that we did. I make no apologies to Sophie but I will apologize to you if I offended you in any way.

Oh I see. Everyone, News Flash:
Sophie and cindy are the same person! I should have known from her spelling. My bad.

nice post African Girl and I agree with you

BAMZ+1 RULES

Di, speaking for myself, English is not my first language too, so it would be hypocritical of me to pick on people who can't write it. But as Lola said, please go read Sophie's post and you'd understand why she got the response she did.

in my whole live i have never read so much shit before.

Be Sane
I figured as much. She may also be going by "amythis...something or the other"
Oy! It never ends.

Cindy and sophie,
Both of you are misinformed. AJ and BP are attempting to have a normal life w/o the media glitz and unfortunately with the paparazzi and media frenzy that is totally impossible. They are damned if they and damned if they don't.

its a sad news that diana reeve died, shes a very strong woman and i have a high regard on everything she did to her family,,
biut going back.. i really love the jollie-pitts!!!
i think, and i thing everybody here thinks that they are such a beautiful pair..love them..love them..love them!!!!

In addition,

Beyond the media frenzy, what do any of us really know what goes on behind close door. They don't know any of us personally and we don't really know them on a personal level. So how can again I'm directing this statement to those who are posting negative comments about these people. It's great that they seem to be happy and thats pretty much the sum of it. Beyond that it's their life. It's great that we get a glimpse of their personal time thanks to the stalkarazzi but can't read into anything beyond those pictures and tabloids. It's sad that these negative post are so judgemental without knowing all of the facts and irregardless, it's not our lives out there in the public eye. Is their really a proper way of acting when your photographed day in and day out and your life is for public consumption? Think about.

Absolutely well written African Girl, Cindy2, Elena, Me Again and Alicia.

I read all of your posts and I enjoyed them. They were well written...the points all valid. Now will people actually read and understand?

I was not implying in my post that Brad cheated with Angelina. What I was saying is that sometimes when your in a realationship that is not good for whatever reason you put off dealing with it until you have a good reason too. Maybe Brad didn't want to hurt Jen but he was not happy and she was not happy so they were both moving on in the heart and finally they knew there was no going back so they made it final leagally. I mean it's obvious to me that if you have an attraction to a person this is not cheating. Cheating in the heart? Come on people. Your not cheating unless you physically get with someone other than your signifigant other. Otherwise all crushes would be considered having sex in the heart. Now how stupid does that sound. So naturally there was an attraction to Angel during the filming of the movie because they obviously have chemistry but does that constitute cheating? The answer is no and any judge would agree with that. Did it make him re-evaluate his realationship with Jen and realize that it was holding him back. Probably. Perhaps she was feeling the same way because of her interest in Vince Vaughn. I don't really know though because I could care less about Jen, she is such a has been.

rica, where's the fanfic?

Oh yea, and Jen is a spoiled rich girl prep. Her parents were both actors. Or I could just say she was a rich girl prep in her heart. LOL

I'm really upset after visiting the site that JJ linked on his main page, which shows the cartoon of "Angelian play with toy". After reading those ignorant comments of that site, I'm totally disgusted. I don't know why JJ needs to link that site. The owner of that blog seems childish and biased.

Lola, I understand. Thank you for explainig and I took no offense. I can´t agree with anything in Sophie´s post, but as non-english nor american I could not pick on her for her misspeling, hence my observation. I´m sorry if I was too harsh on it. :)

Claire, don't get upset. Like u said the comments are ignorant and childish. See these people are only advertising what they are, which is ignorant and childish.
Don't blame Jared, I am sure he has taken a lot of flack for being BAMZ biased. Besides we won't want others to think we only like to see the sweet and rosy things of BAMZ. None of what they say, write or draw changes how u feel right? So shrug it off. I know that it leaves a bad taste in your mouth but all you have to do is look at all the lovely pix Jared has provided us in the past few weeks, to wash that bad taste away.
Cheer up!

BRAD IS SO HOT.

BAMZ fans, please skip over and ignore these hateful comments. THey go on and on over the same old same old, so 2005! We don't need to read those posts to validate why we are fascinated with this beautiful family. In fact, much I hate to say this, they remind me of JA, going on and on and on with her 'don't feel sorry for me' mantra, 'I'm coping' or one of the many other philosophical types of phrases that is supposed to make us think that she is 'handling it so well' or as some misguided people have said 'she is taking the high road.' I, also, don't like the caricature of Brad as a pulltoy, and after reading the first few posts, I got off that thread right away. No point reading that garbage and messing up the good feeling I get when I look at BAMZ picx or read about them. They all look beautiful, and from the picx I see, they are just trying to be a family, even with the paps dogging their every move, which must be harassing to them to say the least. Thank you so much, Jared, for your constant abilty to get me my BAMZ fix!

Personally I think one of the reasons AJ and BP generate so much hatred is because so many girls (they certainly haven't grown up to be women regardless of their posting age) were living vicariously through JA. They thought JA had it all--money, successful career, beauty and handsome hubby and in someway that validated their existence. Then when BP decided he wanted to end the marriage, they took very personally. None of the triangle is perfect. Just because BP decided JA and his marriage wasn't working out, doesn't mean that any of them are awful people. I've heard stories from my hollywood connections that JA is obsessed with her looks, with becoming the top movie star/actress, and is dreadfully insecure. Maybe Brad just wanted someone who was more real or down to earth and he felt Angie fit the bill. Both JA and and AJ grew up in similar situations in terms of their fathers etc. However, JA is still very needy, insecure and driven to prove she is the best of the best. AJ has grown in a different direction. She feels a need to help people and to make a difference. Gosh if I were Brad, I would choose AJ over JA any day of the week, not to mention, if I were as crazy about kids as he says he is--her kids are absolutely fabulous! What a wonderful heart they both have to accept the responsibilities of adopting and caring for children not of their blood. I think JA made it kind of clear she couldn't do it!

Not me! I am living vicariously through Angie! And I wish she never got hooked up with BP! Ah welll....

Tiny Dancer : great post! You summed it up everything there.

Angie may have money but she has something Aniston doesn't. It's called class. I'm not talking about the kind of class that's like "I'm in a class above you and everybody else." I'm talking about class as in classy. She beautiful, hip, openminded, helpful, and kind. She uses her fame to benefit others in need (and I don't mean needy Jen). She naturally has a Queenly Aire and is a much better companion for the King of our American celebrity culture. She teachs that we are all really the same and all children requardless of race are important and beautiful. These children are our future we need to teach them that we are all equil and desearving of love. She helps bring awareness to important causes and supports those causes herself as an example. The fact that Jen made fun of her and her influence on Brad in this way, just made me dispise her. I used to not mind her really, although I never understood Brads interest in her. Actually his realationship with Jen made me think less of him in a way because of the materialism that seemed so forefront with thier realationship. I think that Angel has helped him grow out of that self-centeredness and made him even hotter! Way to go Angel! You took the sexiest man alive and made him even sexier!

am i the only one so confused in here? is angelina REALLY a whore, did brad cheat with her, and did jennifer REALLY want brads baby in the first place? i am totally lost :C i do, however, feel sorry 4 that baby angie's carring b/c everyone says that it was wrong timing. but it really wasn't the baby's fault that it was concieved while the marriage was being finalized. what do you all think the kinda life that baby is going to have in the media scruttiny?

we need new pictures please!!

i heard that they were havin a boy

#289 Arial -
"You feel sorry for the kid?"
"Everyone says it's bad timing for it to be concieved?"
"What kind of life with the kid have with so much scrittiny?"
Are you KIDDING me? Seriously, please tell me you are joking?
Who is everyone? And how does "everyone" play in this child's life? What kind of life will this child have? Oh, the same wonderful life his/her older siblings have because despite "the scrutiny" that baby will have parents that loves him/her and that is all that matters.
Jeez, we are dealing with hollywood here, if every person thought "scrutiny" was an issue, then I guess no one would have babies, hun Arial?
Goodness, your post was really something. I really shouldn't have taken that tone with u since u already admitted u are a confused person. But sometimes, confusion really is a poor excuse for anything.

# 297 | 22 | March 8, 2006 04:45 PM

When did Jennifer (the pompous) made fun of Angelina and what did she say? Don't tell she actually made a sentence? The last time I saw her anwering interview is from Oprah and the only thing she talks about is her fav. food and Sunset, sunset and more sunset. LOL

I thought this comment was a good one by one of the posters on AOL (probably from here) and funny too and so true:

"Well, what could you possibly not say about this couple that hasn't already been said. I love the fact that Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt are trying to raise kids together (emphasis on the trying part) i don't think it will last very long.

Of course Brad cheated on Jennifer, it is only proven in the alien meat that she is carrying right now. But of course he would, wouldn't any guy who was stuck with her for like a year making a movie try and get down her pants.

and of course, she let him in. I think its more of a guilty issue thing. He cheated, got her knocked up, and they married.

Thats sound kind of like Brittany Spears. BABIES DON'T MAKE EVERYTHING PERFECT PEOPLE. Believe me i live in a town where 75-80% of the mother's don't have fathers to there babies. Its kind of funny.

Anywho, i think that they are just an image couple and he felt guilty for getting her knocked up.

Hmm...i would be happy if i were Jennifer right now. Who can be more egotistical than Brad Pitt and Angelia Jolie."

Arial: why do you say it´s a bad timming for the baby to be conceived? You talk as if it´s you who are having the baby! It´s not up to you to judge when someone should or not get pregnant!

They are adults here! Planned or not the baby will have wonderful, loving and caring parents and 2 beautiful siblings.

That's one of the most laughably poorly written posts I've ever read in my life.

Does anyone remember the date they moved to Paris? In France you have to 'advertise' your impending marriage in a city hall, I think about a month. If they haven't done that they won't marry there. And again they could have married already elsewhere. That new matching gold ring (Angie wearing on her thumb) was suspicious :) as if she just stuck it on after taking it off from her ring finger in a hurry :)

Hey Nice comment--I don't know who to feel sorrier for--the poor original writer who lives in a town where 80 per cent of the mothers don''t have fathers for their babies, or you for thinking that piece of shit post in worth copying and pasting.

"then I guess no one would have babies, hun Arial?
Goodness, your post was really something. I really shouldn't have taken that tone with u since u already admitted u are a confused person. But sometimes, confusion really is a poor excuse for anything."

You know what, African Girl, Arial was just making a comment. Did she say anything that hateful or offensive? She was simply making an observation. There's no need to get an attitude, take it negatively, and attack another poster like that.

I am sure Brangelina are not reading our posts, so they dont care that they're being scrutinized or criticized, like you. But insulting other posters personally is low. It's psychotic. I'm sure Brangelina doesn't appreciate it either. You're making people hate brangelina even more now.

Arial commented on Brangelina, not on you. So, dont go around spewing your pitiful attacks against other people who are posting here. Brangelina are not posting here, so it doesnt matter what is being said about them.

What is the use in bullying other posters? Are you doing any good in this? if Brangelina doesn't care, you shouldnt either. You are not saving their reputation by getting personal & negative with other posters you dont know.

What's the use? Seriously, are you saving any damage here or making it worse? This is why someone said they thought this was a publicity stunt to make Jennifer look more innocent and brangelina more evil. Because you obsessive brangelina fans are attacking other posters. Making Brangelina look worse.

If you want to make a retort to someone's post, then comment on the issue at hand, not on the poster. It's childish to do otherwise. Do you get some sort of a kick out of criticizing other posters?

Again, what's the use? There will always be criticisms against people like brangelina. Don't go attacking everyone who does it.

It's not pretty and you're only making people come back and post more negative comments about Brangelina. These brangelina fans are just attacking everyone who's firing verbal bullets at Brangelina. Raising a fist against someone for expressing their thoughts on the matter is ridiculous.

And these posters are not politicians, celebs or journalists. So why are you taking their comments and shedding light on it? Why are you GIVING importance to the comment? This is why posters come back and give more negative comments. Because they know you'll make it seem important.

correction: criticizing other posters' comments are fine, but dont go insulting them. you're just insulting a growing number of people against brangelina. unless it;s warranted, there's no need.

#306 Be Sane, I belive they arrived by the 10th February if I´m not mistaken.

Lea, tell me, who determines "unless it's warranted"--you?

Cindy2, African Girls and the rest of BAMz fans. you guys are great. I love your comments and supports of the family.

To sophie, Cindy, Amethy, leslie,
How old are you? I believe in freedom of speech. So please go ahead and comment but think before you do. African girl is right you are not making any sense. Another thing, please disabuse yourself from using the words whore, slut and b** when describing any woman on this post. As a woman, I am offended by it and offended for you. You are female right? The words are self-deprecating when you use them.

Also, was Brad your husband? You girls talk as if you are the injured wife here not Jennifer. This was not your marriage. This was not your relationship. Everyone has a choice in life to choose whom hey want to be with. They both chose to leave the marriage. He moved on and Jen has moved on. You should try it also. It is liberating.

Angie’s past is in the past. Leave it alone. If he doesn’t have a problem with it, why do you?

NO ONE is perfect. Not even you and your precious Jen.

Lea, I did not insult her. There have been posts that have spewed hate on "Brangelina" and those posts have been ignored. The difference btw those posts and this one is the fact that Arial is talking about the baby. I picked the things I had a problem with from her post. She felt "sorry" for the unborn child because "everyone ' thinks it was conceived too soon. She wanted to know what "kind of life it would have because of the scritiny" Come on! If you go back to most of the posts on the site, you'd find people who have pleaded that you can make comments on the parents but leave the children out of it -Maddox and Zahara, who knew the unborn child get it too. My belief is that no matter what circumstance a child is born into, that child is a blessing. What Arial was inferring was that child's birth is a mistake because "everyone thinks it is too soon"

Where did I insult her? She said she is confused and I understand that but like I stated sometimes confusion is not an excuse for believing a child is a mistake.

That is my take on it. Now about bullying, I don't understand what you mean. I see this forum like a game of tennis, we bounce off our opinions and wait for the return while also getting ready to defend. Now if your or my point is torn down to bits by someone else because it lacks the merits that makes it valid, is that bullying? When we make the concious effort to post our thoughts, ideas or even rants on an open forum, we should also be prepared for what can come back be it praise or criticism. If I took every criticism that came my way to heart, I'd be curled up in a fetal position somewhere. We already have enough insults flying around, I don't need to add more.

There are some people out there (a few I know) who only read the comments but don't want to post because they feel "exposed" that's fine but if you do decided to post, you can't take everything sent your way to heart. Seriously.

I also think that this has gone beyond being a "brangelina" or an "Aniston fan" because like you said, the parties involved are not reading this so it isn't like we get paid according to how we defend or insult them. Consider it a debate team, where people are either pro or con, coz that's how i see it.

I do appreciate the fact that you stated your piece without getting nasty.

Good evening ladies!

Rica, I think we are preaching to the choir. To be honest I think a lot of people are talkers and not listeners. Effective communication involves both, specially listening. A lot of people are hell bent of spewing verbal bile and only read those post that feed the anger/hate.

I seem to remember Oprah making a comment that there were people who got angry when she lost all that weight and was really tiny. Somehow people do not feel comfortable with someone who is perceived as "having it all". I am sure that if Angelina had a weight problem or was not as attractive as Jen, she would acceptable.

From reading posts I gather that people think that Brad is with Angelina for shallow reasons... i. e. her looks etc.

I just saw a promo for that new movie with Sara Jessica Parker and Mathew Mc. Looks really funny. SHP will be going for the same romantic comedy roles that Jen will. This one would have been a good one to be, It will be interesting to see if getting roles will be as easy for Jen now that Brad is not pulling strings for her. Of course he left her with a lot more money than she would have otherwise.

There are also a lot of newly single women in Hollywood. Now that Vince is negotiating for 20 million for his next film, he must be looking a lot better. I wonder how they are dealing with his parents not liking her?

Tiny Dancer, you're saying JA is needy and AJ is not needy? What a load of krap! That's a good one, seeing as how AJ has expressed many times she has lovers and falls in love with her co-stars.

"Personally I think one of the reasons AJ and BP generate so much hatred is because so many girls (they certainly haven't grown up to be women regardless of their posting age) were living vicariously through JA. They thought JA had it all--money, successful career, beauty and handsome hubby and in someway that validated their existence. Then when BP decided he wanted to end the marriage, they took very personally. "

You couldn't be FARTHER from the truth! There were many women here who worshipped AJ and didnt even give a second thought to JA. But when this thing happened, even alot of Angelina worshippers looked at it negatively and people either felt for Jen and started to side with her or they just didnt like Angelina for what she did because it all looks so bad from a certain perspective.

Especially when Angelina wasn't talking about it. It raised suspicions.

And you're saying JA is the only celeb that cares about her looks? Simply because there are more shots of AJ with a hair bun and raggedy clothes, than there are of JA, doesn't mean JA is that narcissistic. AJ wears more BOLD makeup in front of photo shoots than JA. JA tries to keep it simple in front of the cameras.

"AJ is more real and down to earth"
Hmmm... well, let's see, she use to cut herself and dream about working in a funeral home, had sex with her boyfriend in her home at the age of 14 with her mother's permission, had an electric chair in her home with billy bob, says she needs sex all the time, will not be "real" about her relationship with Brad to other people and wont say a word about it, says she would be the most likely celeb to sleep with a female fan, says she loves the feeling of the pain she gets when she gets so many tattoos.... do i have to go on and on?

I just don't know why people criticize Jen. I've heard people say mean things about her, like she doesn't like to travel, but they're wrong because I've heard that she leaves Los Angeles and goes to Malibu which is a long way from Los Angeles, and then sometimes all the way to Las Vegas. I looked it up on a map and that's a long, long trip. I understand that there are lots of beautiful and interesting cultural things to do in Las Vegas. I've never been there myself, but I don't really like to travel. One day I might like to go to Los Angeles and try to find Jen, maybe buy one of the "Maps of the Stars" and track down--I mean find--her house. That really would be my dream trip; I can't think of anything more exciting.

Mouse, you are back. Where have you been girl? Hiding? Mouse have you opened the windows like i suggested? No? Mouse, what more do you want me to tell you?
And Now you are talking about tracking down her house? Tsk tsk tsk mouse, I had.... I actually still have hopes for you. Of course everybody knows she travels, like you said Los Angeles is a long way from Malibu. And Vegas, wow that is like going to....going to Africa (and I should know) but the thing is mouse, she is having a life...what about you?

African Girl, you spend hours posting here? Do YOU have a life?

Lea
She USED to cut herself.
HAD dreams about working in a funeral home.
HAD sex in her home at the AGE of 14 without her mother's permission (She is 30 now by the way)
HAD an electric chair in her house with Billy Bob (Not sure what that means)
Do you see a reoccuring theme here? The past. All in the past. If we were all to be judge based on all our pasts, then color us condemned.

LOL, oh Lea. I am trying to but isn't this just fun? Bu thanks for the concern.

Fortunately for me I have a job that gives me access to a computer all do. It allows me to have lovely chats with people (and yes, u r included Lea).
Oh Jeez, I missed the "t" in my post for but (sigh)

Lea, you remind me of a crabby nun I had in school, trying to monitor everybody. YOU"RE the one who should get a life.

From Los Angeles to Malibu...depend on where you are in LA, ( West LA, East LA, Hollywood...), it's not very far...30 to 45 minutes max and to Las Vegas from LA...3 to 3 1/2 hours drive...that is not traveling, it's a commute by Californian standard....:))

And just one thing to add to african Girl post: remember that many of those things that came in the tabs about AJ was crap, lies. Brad himself said she was the most misconceived person.

[Tiny Dancer, you're saying JA is needy and AJ is not needy? What a load of krap! That's a good one, seeing as how AJ has expressed many times she has lovers and falls in love with
her co-stars.”]

Lea, what is that supposed to mean? What do you consider needy? JA admits she is an emotional co-dependent. She needs constant reassurance about herself and her self worth. Angie has been an independent woman for years. She has lovers to satisfy a sexual need. That is a perfectly normal behavior in our contemporary world. We are not living in Victorian England here. This is 2006. In case you haven’t heard in the 60s there was this thing called sexual revolution and feminist movement. Gloria Steinman created NOW organization to liberate women from not only their sexual roles but their financial roles. You should pick up the book “The Feminine Mystique” by Betty Friedman. It is all about women and what their role in life and how to seek fulfillment as women, wives and mothers. It is a good book you might learn a thing or two about the liberation of woman in their “sexual” roles. Isn’t that what Madonna sprouted throughout the 80s? How as women, intelligent being that we are should not be ashamed of liking or loving sex. How we should not be ashamed to be the aggressive sexual partner in a relationship.

["Personally I think one of the reasons AJ and BP generate so much hatred is because so many girls (they certainly haven't grown up to be women regardless of their posting age) were living vicariously through JA. They thought JA had it all--money, successful career, beauty and handsome hubby and in someway that validated their existence. Then when BP decided he wanted to end the marriage, they took very personally. "]

First, of all AJ and BP do not generate SO MUCH hate. Only a few naysayers like you. Take a good hard look at all the posts on this websites. They are mostly BAMZ supporters. Speak for yourself because you are in the minority on this one. I think you are mistaken if Angie is losing few girls fans she is gaining a thousands/millions of women and men fans. So you win some you loose some.

[You couldn't be FARTHER from the truth! There were many women here who worshipped AJ and didnt even give a second thought to JA. But when this thing happened, even alot of Angelina worshippers looked at it negatively and people either felt for Jen and started to side with her or they just didnt like Angelina for what she did because it all looks so bad from a certain perspective. Especially when Angelina wasn't talking about it. It raised suspicions. ]

That is so not true. You know what, I don’t believe in cheating either but Angie can not steal Brad. A man doesn’t just wake up one day sees a beautiful woman and leaves his wife of 4 years. This kind of breakup is usually a build up of bad things in the marriage. Again as a woman I am offended that you think once a married man leaves his marriage for a younger woman, it must be the younger woman’s fault. Enough, we are talking about grown ups here. Angie did not stalk Brad she didn’t follow him around and begged him to sleep with her. He left on his own free will. Besides, both Angie and Brad don’t necessarily need each other to be together. What I mean by that, if Brad had not met Angie, there are millions of women line up to be with him. And for Angie, my god, do you know how many men want to sleep with her or be with her. My god, most of the guys I know wish their wives or girlfriends were as liberating and giving as Angie.

[And you're saying JA is the only celeb that cares about her looks? Simply because there are more shots of AJ with a hair bun and raggedy clothes, than there are of JA, doesn't mean JA is that narcissistic. AJ wears more BOLD makeup in front of photo shoots than JA. JA tries to keep it simple in front of the cameras. ]

Angie was professional model before she became an actress of course she knows how to look good before the camera. Besides, that is part of her job as an actress to look good during big event like premieres and awards shows. But, in her everyday life she is a minimalist as possible and more real. She is trying to divert attention from her.

["AJ is more real and down to earth"Hmmm... well, let's see, she use to cut herself and dream about working in a funeral home, had sex with her boyfriend in her home at the age of 14 with her mother's permission, had an electric chair in her home with billy bob, says she needs sex all the time, will not be "real" about her relationship with Brad to other people and wont say a word about it, says she would be the most likely celeb to sleep with a female fan, says she loves the feeling of the pain she gets when she gets so many tattoos.... do i have to go on and on?]

You know what this section is silly. You sound like you are mad at her for telling you about her relationship with Brad. You sound nosy to me.

African girl, don't you just love it when they insinuate whether yoy have a life or not.I had one this afternoon,I have the flu,nothing is on tv so I have been online big deal.I just love how they regurgitate Angelina's past over and over.It's the past but they just can't let go.

# 319 | Lea | March 8, 2006 09:05 PM
African Girl, you spend hours posting here? Do YOU have a life?

and Lea, you spend a lot of time reading and commenting on her posts? Do you have a life?

Estelle--I think that's what anonie mouse is making fun of; LA to Malibu to Vegas is not exactly a world cruise! ;)

Cinnabanna,your post was wonderful.Since I am sick with the flu and medicated I had to read it twice to take it all in.Very well written.

Chin's fans can't get over that she got dumped, so they start the same old broken record--Brad's a louse, he's not cute anymore (LMAO), Angie's this and that, they are lousy parents, and my all-time favorite (drum roll please): IT WON'T LAST. TO that I say: What the is the definition of "Lasting"? Five years? 20? 50? What a fucking stupid illogical thing to say--don't be together now because IT MAY NOT LAST.

I Know lou, I just find it so cute. It's like the last resort or something. Just adorable.

In my blog experience, "Get a life!" is the insult hurled when a blogger thinks the discussion isn't going his/her way and they can't think of anything else to say. It's like "No, YOU are", "NO YOU!" etc etc.

What is the deal with these people?They have spent the whole day and I mean the whole day constantly bring up Angelina's past.This stuff is old news.My thing is,Brad knows about her past and is fine with it so why shouldn't I be fine with it.People make mistakes,we are human.Angelina has turned her life around and has become a remarkable woman.Like chinny chin chin said same old broken record.

regarding Angie's past , yeah she did some fucked up things, her chilhood/teenage years weren't perfect. she did drugs/had sex when she was 14, cut herself, etc.......we all know that, because she TALKED ABOUT IT FREELY, one of the reason's i've liked her for a very long time. she was a wild child, the billy bob marriage etc........but something happened; SHE GREW UP, SHE BECAME A MOTHER!!! she often talked about how Maddox, SAVED HER !! she turned her life around, she wanted to know more about the world, it's problems, she researched, she gathered info, she contacted the UN, she wanted to see these horrific things in person........ she wanted to help people........she's far from perfect, but the woman is unique, she's interesting.etc. if not, why all the blogs, websites..etc.....i'm so rooting for bamzt1! she always marched to her own drummer......Rock on Angie! Brad is a very lucky man, I'm so glad they found one another, and Maddox and Zahara are very fortunate, to have her as their mom.........

In response to # 166 | Leslie: I wouldn't be too sure about that! With all of JA insecurities now, I can just imagine how she would be when she gets pregnant. The woman is so self-centered & shallow that I don't think she'd even think of walking out of her house to be seen w/ a big belly & especially her going to be even more gigantic nose & chin! This is a woman who hides parts of her face in order to look good...you really think she'd be proud & glowing while pregnant? I think NOT...believe me, she'll be the one to crawl under a rock.

I can't believe there's so many stupid Brangelina haters on this blog...same old crap that they claim. Bottom line, they forget Angelina's got the looks, she's got the Oscar, she's got the adorable kids, she's got the recognition that counts (UN Ambassador) & last but not least, SHE'S GOT BRAD! These haters are just so bitter because their idol got dumped...get over it!

Your JA will be old news real soon, I can't wait when she starts dying out of Hollywood w/ her gigantic chin/nose & all her wrinkles. You think she'll even be remembered in the future? Oh..yeah, the girl in Friends. JA will can & will never compare to Angelina Jolie (despite her dark past) for who she is, for her beauty that's been confirmed by so many poles out there, her commitment to help others as a UN Ambassador & her GREAT acting career.

So JA fans, keep talking your smak...it's all just a matter of time. Angelina's legacy will live on!!!

I just saw on Access Hollywood Maddox dancing in the restaurant where he was with Brad in the pictures above. He seemed unaware of others.So cute! Maddox rocks!

Awwwww...

That's only what I can say by looking at these picyures.

.....brad fell HARD for angie. like the earlier post stated, i'm sure he knows EVERYTHING about her...including her past....he embraced that ....just as she embraced everything about him, juliette lewis?...... true love people.......

Di, #270--
Sophie attracted so much negative attention because of the offensive nature of her comments. You can't make wildly inaccurate and insulting statements to be read by fans of the people you are writing about, all the while spelling almost every word containing more that four letters wrong, and not expect to get picked on.

Medlaw, #238@12:44---
1. Where were you educated, and for how many years? 2. What do you do for a living? (med and law?) 3. Why aren't you writing the forms for the IRS? Your country NEEDS you!

# 329 | kidi | March 8, 2006 09:34 PM

I know that now...thanks kidi...:)))

# 267 | cindy | March 8, 2006 09:25 AM

Funny, my namesake has awaken from her nightmare to log onto a site that devotes numerous candids of BAMZ to spew her disdain for the BAMZ fans. Seek, hate and spread your misery. And she thinks we're the ones needing help?

Di, as someone who has criticized a hater's command of English, I can safely say that you needn't feel attacked either directly or indirectly of your English proficiency. Those criticisms are usually directed only to the haters who don't make any sense in their comments or in their attacks, they can't even follow the arguments.

We all don't post our comments with perfect English, as for the most part, we're only interested in the content of the comments. This isn't a Shakespeare forum.

Yeah, Lou, what a big bust cindy aka sophie and whatever names she can pull from a hat did in confusing which of her multiple identities she posted which of her comments to. She posted as sophie about how sad it was that Dana Reeve dyed, then posted as cindy to correct she meant died.

African Girl, it does get tiresome with haters' mantras of calling Angelina a publicity whore, homewrecker, maneater (I'm surprised they haven't gotten to nutcracker), and liar that I think they pass around the same hater play book as a handicap in their smear campaign. Even Karl Rove would be disappointed in their tired tactics.

Hey Joy, don't forget Jennifer screaming before the ocean as part of her primal therapy. Some people turn to meditation, Jennifer turns to screaming. Malibu will have a run for ear plugs.

I wouldn't feel sorry for any of the children brought to Brad and Angie's world. You can see alone from how well behaved and delightful Maddox is that Angie did a wonderful job in raising him. (As an aside, Maddox was super adorable in the Chinese restaurant hopping and bouncing with not a care of the paparazzis peering through the windows. He wasn't fazed a bit. That's well-adjusted even in the face of stalkerazzis.) In Brad, Angie has a fulltime partner to help out with the parenting duties. He's not just a figurehead father. And the children couldn't be part of Hollywood parents who are more grounded despite all the media attention. Hell, can I be adopted?

# 306 | Be sane | March 8, 2006 07:48 PM
I'm taking a wait and see approach of the marriage rumors. I'm not of the school of thought that a union needs to be legitimized by a piece of paper, but there are certain legal rights that are guaranteed, such as the one that pushed Sandra Bullock into marrying Jesse James: the legal right to be the medical guardian of your partner by default (which worked for Michael Shiavo in the Terry Shiavo case).

In any event, I've been noticing Brad has been wearing that grooved ring as far back as January during the Davos conference. So that ring, if it's the same one as he's wearing now, isn't new. However, Angie's grooved ring does seem new.

The rings may not be a token of any marriage, but no doubt they are tokens of their love for each other. Love is all any couple really needs.

"But insulting other posters personally is low. It's psychotic."

Yet, you felt find to insult with your attack "it's psychotic." There goes that hater hypocrisy again.

"I'm sure Brangelina doesn't appreciate it either. You're making people hate brangelina even more now."

You'd think that the attacks of her children, the criticisms about her humanitarian work and dismissal of her causes as publicity whoring are better appreciated? No, people like you with your singular-minded hate are making more people love BAMZ. You'll see when their films are released later this year.

African Girl, you gave Lea too much credit in her possum play. Do you see how bloody her hands are? "Out, damn'd spot! out, I say!"

Why is it that those haters always resort to the trite "Do you have a life?" insult (yeah right, Lea tried to plea for civility...for herself) when they're obviously online for hours reading and going on the offensive as well?! Oy Vea!

# 326 | Cinnabana | March 8, 2006 09:24 PM

That was a well-done rebuttal, Cinnabana. I couldn't add more to your well-reasoned defense.

Drew Barrymore was once attributed a slam of Hollywood woman adopting children as an out from carrying babies to term in their own bodies. This criticism was directed at Angie by the hyenas. What a blow to the haters that Angelina proved them wrong. Then again, we know from Angie's minimalistic hair styles (not much fuss), barely there makeup (if any), simple clothes that appearances aren't everything. Yet, Jennifer had full makeup (eye shadow, liner, mascara, blush & lipstick...and oh yeah, the hair in her face) even at the Sundance Film Festival, which is a rather casual affair. For Hollywood women, smoking is not only an addiction but also an appetite-suppressant to help keep them thin. Cancer or weight gain? Which would you bet Jennifer cares more about? I hope she proves me wrong.

I've posted this in 2 other threads. sorry to bother , but... how can i join the fanfic club? i was browsing through and read rica's postings. all i can say is, WHATS NEXT???

Gia, you need to e-mail JJ and asks him to give Rica your email address.
Rica was busy today, but she will post another one tomorrow....I hope.

Cindy2 - older than god - I never read your posts. You write these incredibly long posts and no one cares except your few friends - which you've probably never met because they're bloggers here. Your explanations are not being read.

BUT THANKS 4 READING MINE.
LOLOLOL........................

Lea, so you like to reply from ignorance. Great that you've owned up to that.

It doesn't take much to read your hypocritical, trite comments. I don't suffer from either short attention span or ADD as you to favor sound bites. Even at that, your comments aren't even worthy of sound bites.

Yes, my friends here and IRL are intelligent and aren't limited in their love of vocabulary. Are you waiting for the morning's comics?

For someone trying to ridicule African Girl for hanging out on this blog all day, what are you doing here all morning, day and night? You're your own around-the-clock shift? What a joke you are.

AdictedtoBAMZ+1, "picking on" bloggers... wow, you must feel really, really good about yourself. You're such a big bad bully on the internet! All us "haters" are soooo scared. > Um, what did you say again?

Cindy2, uh, I feel so bad. Did I OFFEND you in some way? Please don't get so angry over my posts. It's so unbecoming of 40 year old woman.

Oh look, little Lea, whining as a victim again. Oh the bullies are so bad.... Wahhh.

What is she the principal monitoring the hallways?

Oh honey, your emotional quotient wouldn't even amount to 40 - which, btw, isn't my age. You'd be lucky if you ever reach that maturity.

I'm not offended nor angry. I reserve those phony emotions for you to pantomine.

PANTOMINE?!! My goodness gracious!! Why, how I am so impressed by your dictionary vocab! And on a BLOG too! How in the world did you come up with such a BIG word?????? I couldnt imagine using such a word so BIG and "mature" as a 40 year old woman like yourself.

Oh you're NOT offended? OHHH! ok! But thanks 4 responding to my posts though!

Gosh, the board fool, has nothing better to do but to string along her limited vocabulary to prove her own existence. No substance to her comments.

What a strange little nightmare world you live in that the motivation to reply is only being offended. Well, that explains your presence here all along.

Didn't take long for your charade to be blown out of the water: "If you want to make a retort to someone's post, then comment on the issue at hand, not on the poster. It's childish to do otherwise. Do you get some sort of a kick out of criticizing other posters?" That was posted around 8:03 PM EST. Not even 5 hours passed before your goose was cooked. Okay, you won the audition for the hypocritical town crier.

These haters are sick! Is that the best they can do - foul language and regurgitating Jolie's past?? What kind of life are they leading? A stunted one for sure since they can't imagine a person could change as he/she matures with age and with experience.

Jolie is such a well grounded person and she is only 30 years old! Jen on the other hand has a 7 year head start of Jolie and look at how she's carrying on - need I say more?

Well, as the haters have demonstrated time and time again, they're suffering from arrested development. So it's natural they would continually mine the past as an indictment of Angie's current state of being.

Lea, why don't you crawl back under the rock from whence you came, your posts are childish and gauche. Its almost painful watching you attempt to embarrass others while actually exposing your own foolishness. The infantile and belittling way in which you try to make your points is not humorous or effective, so you should really cease and desist.

# 357 | Alicia | March 9, 2006 03:43 AM

Now haters take note of how to be fresh in your shots by Alicia's post, rather than rehashing the antiquated weapons of yore that you've been firing since day 1.

Alicia, you're a welcome addition to the BAMZ club with your eloquence and intelligence.

Lea@8:03pm
correction: criticizing other posters' comments are fine, but dont go insulting them. you're just insulting a growing number of people against brangelina. unless it;s warranted, there's no need.

Lea@2:45am
Cindy2, uh, I feel so bad. Did I OFFEND you in some way? Please don't get so angry over my posts. It's so unbecoming of 40 year old woman.

Lea@2:58am
PANTOMINE?!! My goodness gracious!! Why, how I am so impressed by your dictionary vocab! And on a BLOG too! How in the world did you come up with such a BIG word?????? I couldnt imagine using such a word so BIG and "mature" as a 40 year old woman like yourself.

Reading Lea's flip flopping has made me realize that we have been trying to have an intelligent dialogue with people who...have no idea what the word means. How do you converse with someone who contradict themselves? People, it's a lost cause. No wonder it seemed like we were banging our heads on a wall. If Lea was interested in more than just spewing nonsense, then she is not presenting herself well. It's so amazing that in an effort to prove their ridiculous points, they inadvertently let it slip just how ignorant they really are. Obviously, she is not interested in what we have to say
"Cindy2 - older than god - I never read your posts. You write these incredibly long posts and no one cares except your few friends - which you've probably never met because they're bloggers here. Your explanations are not being read." She writes.

Again, I ask why do we bother with these people? There is only so much you can do with the same tired arguements. Sometimes as I read these posts i ask myself how people still raise the same issues (he cheated, She is a whore,blah, blah) after someone (Elena, Cindy2, Rica, Lou, addictedtoBAMZ+1) had just written a strong post contradicting that Point but now I know. THEY ARE NOT READING IT. Why? who knows, maybe they are too scared of finding out they might be wrong. Again, why do we bother with these people?

JA is not one of my favorite actress but reading some of the posts defending her, I am slowly chnaging my view of her. Does this change how I feel about AJ? Absolutely not. It just means I am willing to see things from other people's perspective. These so called "Brangelina" haters are not willing to do that. So again, I ask Why do we bother?
Of all the emotions we feel, hate is probably the strongest and hardest to let go. People who hold on to hate because it gives them justification for whatever actions they take. Their hate takes precedence over intelligence, common courtesy and Reason. Why do we bother with this people?
Trying to have a discussion with them is like having a conversation with a child. No matter how brilliant it starts off, it ends in playground scuffle. What is that about?
Try to imagine this for a second, you are in a debate team and you have just given a well thought out speech on the issue at hand, now you are waiting for your opponent to give you something back, something as good as what you gave and all they come back with is "Whatever". Won't that piss you off? Well this is how it is with these people. We go the extra mile of trying to lay our point across instead of just saying "Your mama" and what do we get back? Nothing. They don't give the same courtsey we give them so why do we bother?

Lea got so much pleasure from the fact that Cindy2 read her post, I believe this is an insight into what drives these people. They like...they love the attention they get from us. There is nothing bad about that, obviously there is something lacking in their lives. So I say we stop trying to reason with them and just give them the gentle pat they so desperately seek, while we continue with our normal dialogue. How do we give them a pat? Try to imagine how you will praise a 2 yr old who has been trying for ages to color within the line and they finally managed to draw one draw a stroke within the line. It doesn't matter that they have more lines outside than they do inside, What matters is they did it. Hopefully, with enough encouragement, we can get Lea and others to the level where we can have a nice and insult free conversation. (hopefully, being the operative word of course)

I am going to start off this morning by giving Lea the pat she seeks.
"Hey Lea, You did a very good job stringing those letters together. Wow, you made more that 4 sentences, Good Job. Soon you'll move on to Paragraphs. Oh honey, it doesn't matter that what you put together makes no sense whatsoever, what matters is that you were able to put the letters together without any help."

There, that should give her the warm fuzzy feeling she craves.

I was a blank slate as far and AJ, BP, AND JA were concerned until the big breakup. I felt briefly sorry for JA. During the past 6-9 months, however, she has come off as an irritable whiner crybaby who makes bad low-grossing movies. But what has really planted me in the BAMZ camp--aside from how fascinating they all are--are the mean-spirited and so obviously jealous blog comments from JA fans who CAN'T LET IT GO. Get it? You hate BAMZ because you see what JA lost. But it's over and slinging mud at this family won't reunite BP and JA, unless it's in anonie mouse's mind lol.

Hello Bamz famliy,another day and I still feel like s**t, I read a post last night that made me laugh I thought I would share it with you. The post was reguarding Brad being a pull toy. Stitchedupkitty wrote................................The sexism involved in this whole thing amazes me.Because Brad wants to be a dad,because he takes care of babies.he's less than a man.Uh huh.
Women everywhere wish their husbands would take care of kids the way he does.And because little JenJen Aniston isn't with Brad (who must have been a true catch,since so many lament the loss over and over),she's to be seen as an infantilzed being,someone to "pity"(oh,the pun is irony sublime)over and over(way to push the whole "woman as strong"thing,huvane). And,let's move on to the other side of the spectrum:Angelina MUST have some sort of "seductress"mojo because she's stolen a human being out of a "perfect"marriage.Why,she's a regular succubus!Please. Funny: in so many people's little passon play,free will is absent.Brad is "lead"around like a toy.Angie is driven by "lust"fueled by her evil.And JenJen?She's just so put upon and "left behind" and is the victim forever.What a load of rubbish.The whole thing is so frighteningly simple-minded at times.Are we comfortable with labeling a man who takes care of his childern willingly as nothing but a "pawn?"Hell,I'm not.I call that a stand up guy.I WISH more men took care of their kids.That's "masculinity",is it not?Or do you have to be rugged rough or just "baby sit"your kids to be considered "manly"?

Agree with #355, Angelina is 7yrs younger than Jen Aniston, but the way they act and handling situation. Angelina is must mature and confidence.

Ms Aniston will have a movie release on April. and she's starting her "pity me" interview again. coz I just read one from our local paper. this manipulator bitch is really milking her divorce to dry.

It's a bloody shame that when a man plays with his children and shows his love for them, he is rediculed in a caricature as a pulltoy, and described as being less of a man. IF ONLY, there were more fathers who paid half as much attention to their children, perhaps there would be less of a lot of things that is not so right in our present society. I really detest that cartoon and wish it could be pulled off the site. If it was done to make the JA fans feel good, I personally feel that it was in very poor taste, and it only propagates this rediculous saga of BP/AJ/JA. I was never a big fan of BP when he was with JA because he seemed so 'plastic', sort of unreal, but since I started seeing picx of him with AJ and the children, how he cares for them, I see a real person now, a gorgeous one too, someone not afraid to show his tender side. I'm a big fan of his now, and the whole BAMZ gang! Cheers!

# 341 | AddictedtoBAMZ+1 | March 9, 2006 12:25 AM
"Medlaw...Why aren't you writing the forms for the IRS? Your country NEEDS you!"

Do you find the IRS forms too cumbersome?

I find Brad Pitt more sexy since he's been with Angie. Before I just didn't get Brad because he seemed unreal to me...too pretty, too bland. I just couldn't relate to him but I did liked his movies until he married Jen...he seem to walk through his movies. I saw Troy and Brad was very sexy and pretty but I didn't like the movie on a whole, there was scenes I liked, like the action and love scenes but still something was missing...no spark.

When Angie came into his life Brad has been a different man...he's so much alive and he is not walking through life but living it. He's more involved and you see him doing things he loves...also I find it sweet how in love Brad and Angie are. They're building a family and children never lie at the age they are...and they are very happy kids who love their parents.

Their was only two people in a marriage and they are the only one's that know what goes on I done't feel sorry JA if anyone remember back in a interview that she did with a magazine and they ask her if BP was her one true love she reply that she don't believe in that and that was onlg before in got with AJ. So stop being hater because I am sure that are staying awake at night thinking about we think of them.

I love reading comments about BAMZ+1. These and the pictures make my day. I watch the celebrity news on tv so I could follow the latest on this family.

It's a real life soap opera (in a good way!).

Thank you Rica for Chapter 9....very entertaining. ;)

Los Angeles is not far from Malibu-My neice goes to school in Malibu-I wouldn't call that a trip-The jolie-pitt house is actually in a different direction than anniston's little house-Malibu is only like 27 miles long-It is very beautiful-anyway I am sorry that there are soo many people who are negative on this board-Anyway I just read on popsugar that brad said he was thinking about naming the baby jess(girl) or James(boy) I don't believe that's true, I heard from a malibu source(this is just a rumor ok) that the baby is a girl which is why there was talk of angie wanting to have her in Africa in order to bond with Z-NE way heard the baby girl's name will be like Z's-if born in Africa-ex Sierra or Kenya and if born in France, something French-Marcheline is definitely in the running or a derivation of her name combined with Angies-

"then I guess no one would have babies, hun Arial? Goodness, your post was really something. I really shouldn't have taken that tone with u since u already admitted u are a confused person. But sometimes, confusion really is a poor excuse for anything."

#301 i stated my opinion and all i said, for those who can't interpertate, i was confused about brad, jen, and angie's relationship. i didn't say that people should not have babies!!!!!! you took the subject to broad.

"Arial: why do you say it´s a bad timming for the baby to be conceived? You talk as if it´s you who are having the baby! It´s not up to you to judge when someone should or not get pregnant!"

#304 you say that about me as if i was 10 yrs. old. everyone in here has there own thoughts if this was or wasn't bad timing. i stated my opinion, and that is was bad timing. if this was your x-husband and found out the day that divorce was finalized that the girl who thought he was cheating with was at her last trimester, would say it was bad timing? i would think so! i'm not pregnant but that is what i would think if i was in that situation!KEY WORD: THINK!!! i do want children someday but not like that. would you?

#308 thanks for backing me up! it just gets me so upset when people tell me that i should, or need to think the opposite when it is my own opinion.

#371. I state what I said, He has moved on long time ago, Seperation: January, JA filled for divorce in March... they were not together anymore. AJ got pregnant maybe in September while JA was shacking up with VV God knows since when, I wonder if she was the one who was getting pregnant,,, was also wrong then?

BTW: RICA! wonderful chapter this lat one as usual. Read it and dying to read the continuation! You left me hanging on over here!

Agree with # 364, I wonder how much he was paid by Maniston and her cronies. remembershe had a film coming out in April and June. This girl and her PR team were so manipulative.
Guys you could go to lainey entertainment com. she got lot of juicy gosiip inside

browsing for latest picture and news of BAMZ become a daily routine in my life. I knew there must be several person like me , addicted to this couple. thatswhy the paparazzi continue to follow and stalk them. what can I do ? but I really luv this family.

to the bamz lover.thank you .i love u all.

Rica , I like your fanfic, I stay awake last night just to catch your latest fanfic. so much imagination yet look so real. more power to rica. can't wait for the nest sequel.

Medlaw, #365 @ 1:59pm--
"Cumbersome" does not begin to describe it...hope you realized I was complimenting your writing ability.

Tess, #375 @ 9:08pm--
You are not alone. We who follow them wind up here every day, looking to Jared for any news.
I also wish the cartoon depicting Brad as a pulltoy would be removed. Don't glorify it by letting it remain here for so long, Jared. It sends such a negative message. What is the point of ridiculing his genuine devotion to those darling children, or the love and support he provides for their mother? I just don't understand. Is it supposed to be funny?

Being someone with some time on her hands and long winded too, I would like to continue on my 214 post about JA and the media. If you don't want to read it, please, don't linger on my post, skip straight to the next.

I indicated in my 214 post that JA is losing or has lost control of her media because she has been giving interviews on the print and in the TV media. This article came up in starpulse (what is that - some blog or something similar to National Alleger? - I don't know) but she has been "quoted" as saying:

"Jennifer Aniston believes men are more likely to cheat than women. The actress is convinced the male sex are more likely to commit adultery than their wives and holds fidelity as the most important quality in a good marriage.

Aniston, who divorced her husband Brad Pitt last year, has often been portrayed as the 'wronged wife' in the media, after the actor started dating his Mr. And Mrs. Smith co-star Angelina Jolie shortly after the couple split. Pitt and Jolie have always denied their relationship began while the hunk was still married to Aniston."

Aniston says, "I think fidelity is very important in marriage. It's men who usually do the cheating - that's a very general statement, but I'm sure if we did a poll it would turn out it was more men than women."

Perhaps she said it, perhaps she didn't. But as she has given so many interviews both in print and on TV, and said so many things, I can't be sure if these words were spoken by her or thrust into her mouth or merely taken out of context. To me, these "quotes" makes here appear at best, as if she were a victim who has not moved on and at worst, a victim who is snide and bitter. I'm sure Jennifer doesn't want to be victim at all and she definitely doesn't want to be seen as being snide or bitter..

Hey JA Fans, why bother coming here and posting negative posts about BP and AJ. Let's face it, we all understand what it feels like when your favorite team loses. But hey, someone has to lose and someone has to win. Don't take it personal, we endored 7 LONG years of BP and JA.

If BP and AJ are happy, then why not just let it be? Is it really necessary to drag AJ and BP through the mud? I've been a BP appreciator for years, I didn't fret when he hooked up with JA, But lucky her, she found love and found it in someone who happened to be pleasing to the eye, as well. However, their relationship did not pass the test of time. It happens! Marriages dissolve everyday, unfortunate? Of course!

All involved, are grown adults, let them make the decisions about their lives, as they deem appropriate. Who has the right to decide what is morally correct or incorrect when it comes to another.

Here's alittle food for thought, "how would you feel if you were a mother and your children had to hear degrading remarks about who you were or what folks preceived you to have done"? If you choose to not support the BP/AJ hook-up, that's fine, but show the children some respect.

JA is moving on, and no doubt will be just fine. She'll mourn, readjust, regroup and before you know it she'll be stronger for the experience with a family of her own.

I don't know for sure but IMO, I think all of us BAMZ fans, want JA to be as happy with whomever, as BP & AJ seem to be.

So, I've expressed my personal opinion and everyone should be allowed to, but we could do it in a way that is at the very least respectful. I have to agree, as a woman, I am insulted by the b*tch, wh*re and sl*t references.

ABSOLUTLY LOVE THE PICS!

#371 Arial
You have also taken my comment out of context. When I said "so no one should have babies" it was based on your comment that you felt sorry for the baby because of the "media scrutiny". If you read my post again, you will see that I wrote "this is hollywood, if everyone worried about media scrutiny, no one will have babies" There it is.

Fohttp://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20060310.PARKER10/TPStory/TPEntertainment/und this interesting article this morning

Just copy and Paste.

On JA and media:
This is a real shame... This divorce is the best thing ever happened to JA in terms of media exposure, and she could have come on top of the world *if her movies were good*. Remember Nicole's Moulin Rouge? She not only kept her mouth shut but proved herself in her works. It was really too bad that "Derailed" and "Rumor Has It" flopped. Unfortunatley her next big release "Break Up" comes after the shadow of BAMZ + 1 birth, no doubt a biggest story of the season. Anyway in my opinion she is way way too over exposed for who she is (I didn't even know about her until last year!) but I also wish her the best.

Lou I hope you get to feeling better. Lylian, Cindy2, African Girl, Addictedto BAMZ, Mrs. Smith and of course Rica, Lola, Besane and all the other women of substance it is good to "see" you here. You all, it is true that most of the people we are trying to communicate our perspective to don't read our posts. For some I hate to admit this but, we are seeing the failure of public education with teaching our children. Let's face it , the average person reading comprehension and reasoning level is at a 6th level. As I think it was with Cindy2 or African Girl who wrote "pantomine" in her post and "Lea".

Lea was clueless to the meaning of the word and therefore felt defensive. We are communicating on one level but their comprehension level is at a much lower level.

#365 AND #375 the person who drew the caricature is a female. A young female who has not experienced as much life as many of us have.

I believe in freedom of speech. But it is up to the individual writer/artist to develop their own social responsibility. They should put some thought to the message that they think they are communicating vs the message that others are reading or getting.

I think Brad is an excellent father, but I hope he doesn't do AJ like he did JA. I admire AJ and I admire JA, I don't know how I would handling my ex-husband beening with someone as beautiful as Angie, to me that would be a slap in the face. I don't know what really went on, but AJ seems like she is a great mother and cares for the health and welfare of her kids. I just hope Brad doesn't burn her in the end.

They showed the video of whenBrad and Maddox were leaving in the above pictures and Brad said, "You guys are a piece of work" I guess he thought it the paparatzis wouldn't be as bad in Germany but they are. My guess they will have the baby in France because the pandemonium does not exist there.

Kaley,I just read your post and feel you said what alot of women are thinking but won't admit.Yes Angelina is beautiful and younger than Jen,but I don't think Brad left the marriage just because of those two things.Brad makes movies with beautiful women all the time.Sometimes when two people meet they have a connection,it happens.You don't plan it or look for it.You can be married to someone and actually love them but not be on the same page when it comes down to what you want out of life.If you cannot find a middle ground with that person it won't work.You might as well beat you head against a brick wall.I feel things worked out for the best and I wish them all the happiness in life.

I don't feel sorry for them at all. Oh boo hooo Pitt "you guys are out of control". If Brad didn't realize that hooking up witH Jolie before his divorce was final and getting her pregnant would cause this kind of media explosion, then he's an idiot.

Maybe he should have kept it in his pants, if he wanted his right to privacy.

If they really wanted to protect themselves, and the kids, they should have thought abuot what a relationship like theirs would do to them and the kids in terms of paparazzi. But no, they only thought of themselves and their "feelings".

I do however, feel sorry for the kids. They don't deserve this at all.

Don't get me wrong. I think that it was probably a good thing that Brad and Jen broke up. Jen was a little cold in regards to Brad in her interviews, but maybe that was because he wanted her not to express too much affection for him and make his female fans jealous. I really don't know what was up with their relationship in the first place. I do know that Brad grinned alot more when he was with Jen. And I don't think it was fake.

And now I dont get his relationship with Angelina. When I saw him with Gwyneth, I understood it. But it just seems brad's choices in relationships lately has gone awry.

And I don't think what Angelina did was right. It doesnt matter if there's problems in another man or woman's marriage. You just dont go mess with it. You keep your sexual attraction and emotions in check.

Ladies, there are many of your friends who are attracted to your husbands (no matter how old or ugly they are), but they just won't admit it and will keep their emotions in check. It's a normal human thing. But what seperates us humans from the monkeys is that we use our brains and logic to tell us what's wrong or right here.

And I think it's quite irresponsible of Angelina to go and have a baby with Brad when he just broke up with his wife. What is up with that? How cold hearted.

it's irresponsible, because she doesnt know whether Brad is the right man for her and her children in less than a year. Going and having a baby with some man in such a short period of time under the curcumstances that he came from, is just plain irresponsible.

ATLEAST, Brangelina should have taken their time with it. In reality, even though they may be marked as the sexiest people in the world, my instincts tell me there is just not something right about Brad's relationship with Angelina. If Angelina was doing this just to give brad the baby he wants, then okay then, I get it. It's 2006, they're rich, and if a woman wants to grant a man that wish and she has no problem with it, then go for it.

But if this is based on emotional reasons, then I think it's a mistake. Angelina has said she wants to share her life with a man who will share her experiences with her. But I think she is moving too fast with this one.

Lou, Cindy2, Rica, African Girl, jpf, chinnifer psychos... leave me alone. I dont want to hear it! One after the other after the other you have a response to EVERYTHING. We've HEARD t ALL! It's enough. How many times are you going to answer back to all the criticsms? It's getting tired. It's getting old and no one cares what you have to say anymore. You keep repeating the same thing over and over in Brangelina's defense. It's getting old.

£380 I´ve read that article to. The Admin from my Angie community posted it and the source she gave was contact music. Basically the source is not reliable but if this is true, she (JA) keeps on with the victim portrayal there... this is sick now!

# 381 | Nikki | March 10, 2006 02:31 AM
I don't know for sure but IMO, I think all of us BAMZ fans, want JA to be as happy with whomever, as BP & AJ seem to be.

You´re right I do hope so... she should have done it already. The faster she move on, the better. So she will stop all this crap that appears on the tabs and media, showing her as a victim. This way, every part on this "supposed" triangle will be gaining! she stops being portrayd as a victim, which IMO does not favour her at all, and B&A will be leaved alone.

Azure on timing etc.
Since you didn't list me on "do not respond", here is a short respose. You pretty much answered your own comment, that all you said about Jolie-Pitt baby timing is, in fact NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Capiche?

Sorry for the triple post here (I do know that some Forum Admins freak out with this kind of things in their forums, specially one that menaces to close her forum once in a while! *rollseyes*) but this article here is really pleasant to read and very friendly about Angelina:

Angelina Jolie Seeks 'Kindness Trend' for Wedding with Brad Pitt
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By Linda Kevich
Mar 10, 2006

Christina Aguilera did it for her December 2005 wedding. And a report claims Angelina Jolie just announced she’s doing it for her upcoming wedding with Brad Pitt. And now, couples everywhere are including acts of kindness as a part of their weddings too, making this one of the hottest emerging wedding trends of this year. It's the "Kindness Trend” in weddings.

Angie Planning a 'Kind" Wedding?

Tabloid favorite Angelina Jolie has apparently given her stylist the word to find her a wedding dress. Tongues are wagging that it means she and Brad Pitt are getting closer to becoming a real-life “Mr. and Mrs.” but as one who closely watches wedding trends as part of my role as editor of the popular online wedding guide SuperWeddings, the part I find most intriguing part of this story is *where* Jolie, who earns millions of dollars for each of her box office hits, intends to get her dress.

No Versace for this celebrity bride-to-be.

According to reports, to the disappointment of her stylist who had been chomping at the bit at the thought of dressing Jolie in something spectacular for the much anticipated big day, the controversial actress turned humanitarian wants to purchase her wedding dress from a Goodwill store (Goodwill Industries International). That way the profits go to help the needy. Jolie is presumably hoping that the publicity generated by this move will spur other brides to do the same.

I suspect they just might indeed.

More and more couples right now are incorporating a philanthropic element into their big day – and it’s not just celebrities who are doing this. A wave of couples everywhere are making the choice to do something generous for a good cause as part of their wedding celebration.

Weddings have always had a self-indulgent element to them, and so it’s exciting to see couples generously opening their hearts to others on their wedding day. What a wonderful way to celebrate the love they share – by sprinkling some of that love out to others by doing good.

I believe that kindness is contagious, and this partially explains how this trend has gained the momentum to start sweeping through weddings on a now widespread basis.

With any trend, the more people see of it, the more likely they are to adopt it. But, I think that a lot of people really feel inspired by the good deeds of others. It makes them want to do something good too. When you think about it, it’s a really beautiful way for a couple to start their new life together. I mean, it’s got a good vibe to it.

Based on my experience in the wedding industry, I predict that the kindness trend, as I call it, will continue to pick up momentum over the next 12 months, but unlike other trends that fade completely after reaching their peak, I think the concept behind this one has some staying power. Trends, by their very nature, are flaky. One day everyone’s doing a particular thing, and before long it’s never seen again. But fortunately kindness never completely goes out of style. I think that this current trend will show people how easily charitable elements can be incorporated into weddings, and I expect those ideas will continue to be seen at weddings long after this is no longer the ‘it’ thing of the moment.

I think that people will find that doing something kind for others actually feels amazingly good. And that makes them want to do more of it.

On a more personal note, frankly, I wish this trend had started back when I got married in ’92. I personally have a lot of concern for the well being of animals. Looking back, making a donation in each of my guest’s names to a no-kill shelter would have been more meaningful than all those pretty little wedding favors we gave away. Sure, the favors were gorgeous, but doing something to make a difference would have been an unbeatable feeling. Unfortunately, no one thought of doing this fifteen years ago.

When pop queen Christina Aguilera got married in December 2005, Hurricane Katrina was still very fresh. She requested that, instead of giving wedding gifts, her guests make donations to Katrina victims.

Even fictional personalities are part of this new wave in weddings. The popular comic strip character Cathy did something similar last year when she asked her guests (and readers of the strip) to make a donation to a particular California shelter for homeless animals.

So what’s the impetus behind this growing trend? Here's my theory. In recent times, we’ve witnessed a lot of really harsh realities. September 11. America at war. The Tsunami. Then Katrina. I think that as they spend all that money on a big one-day celebration for themselves, and revel in their own happiness, a lot of caring, socially conscious couples are trying to reconcile that with the suffering many others are experiencing in these times. There may be a little pang of guilt, or simply a genuine desire to share their blessings with others who are nowhere near as fortunate.

Today more and more couples use the details of their weddings to paint an intimate self-portrait of themselves. Through the many wedding-related selections they need to make - the decor, the food, the flower, the favors - they strive to make a statement about who they are so that their wedding day becomes a meaningful reflection of themselves. Certainly, making kindess a part of their weddings or including a philanthropic element says something very special about a couple.

I guess, when all is said and done, this much can be said about Ms. Jolie: Love her or hate her, her little plan to get some publicity and buzz going for charity driven Goodwill stores appears to be working. She can't be all bad.

http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_27264016.shtml

By the way, guys, if the font here is too big, just go to your internet browser's menu --> Click on "View" --> then click on "Text Size" and your page might load faster if you pick a smaller font like "Medium."

funny, wonder if we would be be having any of these discussions if nicole kidman was able to complete MAMS.........

BE SANE, now that I've listed you, then why are you here? if it's no one's business. I can talk about it as much as I damn well please as much as you guys. CAPICHE???? Annoying fuck.

Actually, Kerchy, people would be more understanding and would probably not have to defend anything if it were Nicole Kidman and Brad Pitt in the same exact situation and Kidman was having Brad's baby right away. But Kidman knows how to handle her fans and press. There's something about Angelina people don't like, besides her wild eccentric ways and beauty. Angelina, well, she gives off a more selfish vibe. There's just something very selfish about her that some people don't like regarding her personality. It's like how you get annoyed with or don't like someone who's stingy. She's just always stealing other men and overly sexual and expressing this and that. She just pisses people off now.

Why is it so had for you to believe these to people fell in love?Why should they have to follow a time frame on when they have a baby,Jen and Brad are divorced.I really don't think you would be making this much of a stink if Jen was pregnant with Vinces baby,you would be going on and on about how she is moving forward with her life.Brad is 42 years old,what is he supposed to what till he's 45 to have a baby to spare Jen's feelings.Give me a break,what person after a divorce puts their life on hold for their ex's feelings.I have seen people who have been together years and got married and it didn't last a year,then I have seen people who dated 6 months and got married and are still together 10 plus years.I really think Azure your problem is that you just don't like Brad with Angelina.My mother is a therapist who deals with married couples daliy.She told me 3 years ago that Jen and Brad would end up divorced.I bought into the goldern couple like everyone else and thought they had the perfect marriage because they were always smiling and hugging.What this boils down to people are to quick to judge,if you really take the time to look at Brad and Angelina they are a better fit.I am not tring to insult you Azure,I'm just tring to enlighten you.

399 # Azure

Angelina doesn´t seem a selfish person. I mean does a selfish person engages in humanitarian action, gives 1/3 of her salary to charity, works so passionately as a GoodWill embassor for UN, shows so much love for children, addopts children from needy countries?

Thank you Di for article. A few years ago, one of my friend did the same thing on her wedding, instead of wedding gift, she asked that everyone donate money to UNICEF. In her wedding invitation, she included envelope for donation....it is a very welcoming trend.

Azure,I just read post #399 and this is the perfect example of people judging.Angelina gives off a selfish vibe,this woman spent most of her free this year doing charity work.Stingy,she gives millions to help the less fortunate.She steals other peoples men,this one is so old.We do not need to bring up Laura Dern again who by the way has hooked up with two married men herself.Overly sexual,Angelina is sexy.Let's be honest some people are just more sexy than others,its just the way it is.I looked at pictures of Jen in a wet shirt,you could see her breast etc,then I looked at a picture of Angelina in T shirt and jeans with no makeup and her hair pulled back,and Angelina was more sexy.I even went as far to poll my brother and his freinds and they also picked Angelina.The girl just has sex appeal,she can't help it.I think Angelina just pisses you off and this is a deep rooted problem within yourself.I feel you can related to Jen because she is average looking more to what you think as normal.Angelina is beautiful and sexy and it just rubs you the wrong way.

How come Jared doesn't have new pics or articles re BAMZ? I miss those. Even the celeb news on TV doesn't have a thing on them and that's all I watch out for.

I wonder if the article in other sites are true about Brad picking out baby names from his movie Jesse James.

Azura, You are very passionate about yor dislike for Angelina Jolie. You know of all the criticisms thrown her way, You are the only one that has described Ms. Jolie as Selfish, which makes me think you are Projecting.

Do you have someone in your life the reminds you of Ms. Jolie? Is this what this is all about? You know it happens, you meet someone that reminds you of someone else, someone you absolutely detest and what do you do? You project all that negative feeling on them.

Guys don't pick on Azura, she/he is just PROJECTING!!! She/he needs an outlet, let her have it.

Jolie has been blatantly honest to herself, good and bad. She faced her demons (blood viles, brother kissing, drugs etc.) and dealt with them, coming back from hell. That is why she is fiercely an open book, strong and independent. This kind of honesty threatens people who are afriad of facing themselves, or even acknowledge their demons.

She is the "nightmare personified" of Plain Janes everywhere, especially to those smallville fly-over state's housewives. They think they feel for Rachael Green (they are confusing the character with a multi-millionaire TV actress who lives in Malibu), who is supposed to get back with "Ross" and have a baby. Nope, Brad Pitt didn't follow the script! How could he?!

Chant JA fans, replace your 'homewrecker chant with:
"Rachael is not Jennifer, Rachael is not Jennifer". Wake up.

Jolie has been blatantly honest to herself, good and bad. She faced her demons (blood viles, brother kissing, drugs etc.) and dealt with them, coming back from hell. That is why she is fiercely an open book, strong and independent. This kind of honesty threatens people who are afraid of facing themselves, or even acknowledge their demons.

She is the "nightmare personified" of Plain Janes everywhere, to those smallville fly-over state's housewives. They think they feel for Rachael Green (they are confusing the character with a multi-millionaire TV actress who lives in Malibu), who is supposed to get back with "Ross" and have a baby. Nope, Brad Pitt didn't follow the script! How could he?!

Chant JA fans, replace your highschooler 'homewrecker' chant with:
"Rachael is not Jennifer, Rachael is not Jennifer". Wake up.

LEA LEA LEA,
go girl go.

i like your posts!!!
at least you have the guts to tell some posters what you think about them!!!

Azure, yes JA and BP looked sooo beautiful and in love ONCE. But looks can be deceiving, don't judge a book by its cover. Let it go IT'S OVER!!!BTW only JA and BP responsible for their own marriage, no one else.

# 399 | Azure | March 10, 2006 01:13 PM
Actually, Kerchy, people would be more understanding and would probably not have to defend anything if it were Nicole Kidman and Brad Pitt in the same exact situation and Kidman was having Brad's baby right away.

Azure, Do you actually hear what you're saying? If all of the events over the last 2 years had happened with Nicole and Brad it would have been okay? You and other JA fans sling this alot, "If it had only been someone other than Angelina". Someone else makes it more palatible for you? This I truly don't understand.

My question to you is why is it any different with Angelina and Brad? What exactly is it about Angelina that ties your panties in a knot? Well, I guess it's only to be expected. Angelina illicits strong emotions in people it appears. It can't really be her relationships because other Hollywood stars have had more scandal attached to their names and have come out smelling like roses. So it must be her personality and looks. It's true there are not many who can compare to her self-honesty and beauty, these traits alone make many jealous. She is un-appologetic about the way she lives her life and asks for no ones permission, strong-independent women apear as a threat to many who are very insecure about themselves. She appears to be very intelligent and compassionate. Again a deadly combination. Who can compete against this?! At last I understand.

Lou, did your mum say why she thought Brad and Jen would divorce?

DEAR ALL: JUST ENJOY THE PICTURES, OK. WE NEED NOT GIVE OUR OPINION FOR EVERY PICTURE SHOWN HERE. NOBODY NEEDS ANYBODY'S OPINION. THESE ARE PICTURES FOR OUR ENTERTAINMENT. PLEASE DON'T POST ANY NEGATIVE COMMENT AGAINTS BOTH BAMZ AND JA. WE'RE ALL JUST FANS HERE. ENTERTAINMENT IS FOR FUN. PERIOD.

Hey Elena, right back at you. You and the rest of the ladies (gents you can join us, too!) are what elevates this BAMZ subforum from simply a fawning fan site. I get a kick out of the brief, adoring comments, as well. But I have to confess my bias for the in-depth comments, which is maybe the reason those long-winded (hey yeah, lylian!) posts come so easily for me.

What's funny is that Lea remarked that she didn't read my long post or that others may not either except my "few friends" as if that would offend me. Someone had already told me one of my posts was too long, but I didn't care a whit. Read, don't read. I mean, duh, would I clearly post a disclaimer to move on from my long comments, if I cared?

My validation and security doesn't hinge on anonymous people. Fact is, I'd have given the first anonymous critique more value if the person had posted with her regular identity. I'd give more of an ear to people I know than people I have no connection to.

My only further comment about 14, the artist on Gallery of the Absurd, to the one I left in the caricature thread and to Elena's is that not only did 14 lose sight of her social responsibility to freedom of expression, but she failed to understand the ramifications of her supposed satire. Satire skewers social injustices or absurdities. There's nothing absurd about a man taking his caretaking responsibilities to heart. Other than her verbal mockery of Brad, I find no offense in the drawing itself.

It's more a reflection of 14's superficiality. Instead of naming her site Gallery of the Absurd, she should call it Gallery of the Superficial.

# 391 | Azure | March 10, 2006 12:45 PM

You're tired with your past-the-use-by-date arguments when you posted under your other names. YAWN! Once a troll, always a troll.

Just one more thing before I really have to step out and come back later in the evening. It's amazing the double standards and single-minded hate, the HATERS (yes, by their constant bitchings, they are haters) have for Angelina and the timing of her relationship with Brad.

Johnny Depp no more just broke off with Kate Moss before hooking up with his current paramour in Vanessa Paradis and THEN Vanessa became pregnant just 3 months after their first date. Yet, Johnny is the doll of the party, with absolutely none of the condemnation or hyperventilated scrutiny over Vanessa of her morals.

Recently I learned that Terrence Howard (a fine cutie btw) became romantic with Marc Anthony's ex-wife Dayana Torres (?) before his divorce was even finalized. In fact, he proposed marriage to her before the divorce was official. But no raking him over the coals for the speed of his moving on before the divorce came. And it's true for Sophia Bush, Jessica Simpson, Nick Lachey, Brook Burke, Uma Thurman and loads of other celebrities and regular folks that find their new loves as soon as divorce papers are filed or they separate.

Man, those haters live in a time warp circa Victorian times.

# 303 | Nice comment posted:
Anywho, i think that they are just an image couple and he felt guilty for getting her knocked up.

Both Brad and Angelina are old enough to know about the birds and the bees and where babies come from. They wanted a baby. Chances are they thought it might take a little bit of time but luck was in their favor and it happened right off the bat for them. Good for them!

Terrific post # 326 | Cinnabana

Lou...sorry to hear you got the flu. Hope at least you got the kids feeling better. It's so tough trying to keep them comfortable when you feel like crap :( I lost last week to that darn pesky bug. Hope your feeling much better soon.

# 346 | Lea, FYI Cindy2 is not older than god. How old are you? You won't be a kid forever dear and when you aren't anymore your idea of old will sure change. A lot of people appreciate her posts, not just a "few friends", because she calls people on what they post. This is a discussion thread but some posters on here make it hard to have a discussion beause what they post has no real point. How do you know she doesn't even know any of these posters? Also, FYI some of these posters are related family members.

Lylian,I just read your post,I was getting ready to go to bed but then decided to see if any new BAMZ pictures were added.My mum had alot to say why she thought Brad and Jen would end up divorced,but since I'm sleepy I'll try to give you the short version.She always stated these two were never on the same page,whenever one was interviewed and asked about childern they each had their own plan.She said she wanted them,but never really gave a firm time frame.Then there is the question of how many?He always said 6 or 7,while the Miss Jen wanted to know what was wrong with 1 or 2.They were never together for long periods of time.They never spent any quality time together.Brad likes to travel.If you read the Vanity Fair article Jen admitts she should have made more time for him and traveled.These two dated what 3 years before they got married,so when they finally got married the reason had to for childern.When they didn't have any in the first 2 years,my mother said and I quote The s##ts going to hit the fan for these two.There was no middle ground,no give and take.My mother always told me when you are about to be married,you both should write out a list of 10 things that you want out of life,Go over the list together.If you are able to get 5 out of the 10 things you listed,you are doing pretty damm good.My mother questioned if Brad even got 2 out of the 10.In summary,Brad has found someone who wants the same thing he wants,and she's loving,beautiful,independent,honest and a good mum.Angelina won't have any problem with having 6 or 7 kids,she's always stated she wanted a large family.My mum's like I can see how he fell in love with her.The next time we are online together if you have any questions just ask.P.S My mum also predicted that Tom and Nicole won't make it as well.She's always right about these things and it drives me crazy.

# 359 | African Girl | March 9, 2006 08:33 AM
African Girl your post cracked me up! But you are so right! We go the extra mile to discuss and analyze the situation in a rational and logical way and we are given nothing to work with. The amazing thing is that the more this hate-fest goes on the less antagonistic I feel towards JA. I mean really, you gotta start feeling sorry for her when she's got fans like this on her side. Either their so unjustly rigid and judgemental or their just spewing nonsensical hate out of the sides of their mouths. There have been a few JA fans here that are positive and supportive of her without resorting to negativity, but very few.

I really do think that during JA's time on Friends she became established in the minds of her fans as the 'All-American Sweetheart' and her relationship with Brad Pitt cemented this notion and inducted them in the hall of "Fame/Infamy" as the "Golden Couple". But life unlike a fairytale is more complicated. It's not a TV show and people don't follow a script. And believe it or not there are no 'bad guys' here. Just people being human. In the end their marriage, the decision to end it, is their business and no one else's.

Of course, us fans are just human too and sometimes when we emotionally and psychological attach ourselves to our favorite stars and when something happens dramatically that alters their destiny we feel as if our destiny is altered as well. We essentially act as if it were happening to ourselves. But we have to remember that the star's life is NOT our life. And that there is more than one side of ANY story.

I realize that my opinion is probably not punchy enough for some. I really don't take anyone's side here. I'd like to see Jen, Brad and Angelina find happiness and fulfillment in their lives. And I'd like for us fans to be able to wish them all the same as well.

# 415 | dolphingirl | March 10, 2006 11:54 PM

Thank you for your kind words. I actually found the troll amusing. Boy, how immature is she for her to accuse me to be older than god when I'm only over 30? I don't know about her, but I love getting older. It's better than the alternative of death or arrested development.

No doubt she has morphed herself into another ego of azure, Lisa, etc. For fun, you guys should address different comments they posted under different identities to see them trip themselves like cindy/sophie. It won't take much to confuse what they wrote under what identities. Remember liars can't keep their lies straight.

Anyway, my primary reason for coming to this site nowadays has become checking up on my family of BAMZ peeps more than checking the pictures. By the expanding family every day, it shows we're not exclusive. Anybody can be a part of this family as long as s/he loves/likes BAMZ. BAMZ rules! Because all roads lead to JustJared, we can be sure BAMZ will remain popular in spirit and in the box office.

# 416 | lou | March 11, 2006 12:04 AM

Interesting post and thanks for sharing your mother's analysis. What does she think about Sean Penn and Robin Wright Penn? :) I never thought those two would last but evidently Robin has the right stuff to keep Sean grounded.

Off-topic, but I'm damn intrigued by non-committal men like George Clooney, but what is her take on him such that he will never settle down with any woman - whether by marriage or monogamy?

Cindy2, Here I am answering your post again. Even though you didn't ask me, may I offer my prediction about George Clooney? O.K., here goes: He won't make a connection like Brad did, based on his love and desire for children. He will eventually marry, but more along the lines of the way things worked out for Warren Beatty. It won't happen for a few more years, when he starts feeling like he might be getting, well, old, and suddenly a very talented, very young new actress will connect with his politics, and that will be that. He will be attracted to her political passion. They'll have kids, but it won't be the reason why he will ever marry. I can't say who it might be because she may not even be born yet...as I said, she'll be very young! Now back to BAMZ---we love you and please come home~

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Lou, thanks for your response. Your mother makes sense. I never use to follow either Brad Jen or Angelina. Of course I read gossip but only casually, like looking at the magazines in a doctors/dentists waiting room or standing at the check out counter.

I do remember thinking when I read that Brad was going to marry jennifer that he had settled. By that I mean, he met someone good enough - not a soul mate or someone he had a deep connection to. Nothing wrong with that as far as I'm concerned. When we are young, we look for that soulmate. After a series of relationships, many of us settle for a good enough mate who will give us the things we want, stability, children, family, companionship, affection, but not necessarily soul mate or great passion. (that's why its called "settling down")

These sorts of relationships can be incredibly stable because the expectations are different. We don't look for the symphony orchestra to play Beethoven during sunset. Just the sounds of domesticity - the clang of plates and pots as dinner is being prepared, the laughter of children. I have several friends from the indian subcontinent where arrange marriages are still common amongst well educated well travelled people in their 30s. These families seem happy and content. So, I thought that's why Brad married Jen, there was love but it was the case of, what was there not to love. She's good looking, she's seems nice, she gets along with the family, they'll have nice children and be a nice family - like the ones pictured in the W magazine.

But then Brad met Angelina and in my projections/fantasies, (and yes, that's all they are coz I don't know them), it seemed to me he had met a soul mate and vice versa. I was captivated by that thought.

For those of us who have settled for a good enough mate - myself included, I have often wondered what would happen if we subsequently met someone we believed was a soul mate. Would you give up the good enough mate? The answer must differ from person to person. My own answer for my particular case is that I would stay with my good enough mate. For we have a good, solid marriage and I have obligations to my child. Also, I'm somewhat buddhist in my beliefs. This life may indeed be short and we are here to relate to certain people because of our karma - what we did not just in this life but in our previous lifes. In this life at least, for me in my particular circumstances, leaving a good enough mate with whom I've built a family in the total meaning of that word, for a soul mate is out of the question. Perhaps in the next life.

Incidentally, I have to smile when people start to talk about karma in these blogs. Karma is not just about what you have done in this life but also obligations and debts and actions and causes which were incurred in previous lives. We don't know whether what is done is the result of karma in this life or the last. Our free will gives us the ability to do as much good and harm as few things and people as we can in this life. If we talk about karma, it may be that Jennifer was a woman who in a previous life had greviously harmed Angelina - who knows, we don't. But lets not use karma except in the narrowest sense of the word (cause and effect) to condemn anyone.

Hi fellow BAMZ supporters! I'm so happy to read the support & love for the BAMZ family is still going strong. I just feel so relieved when I read all the posts from the supporters in response to the nasty attacks BAMZ are getting from the haters on this blog.

I've been reading & following the posts for some time and I feel proud to say that I'm glad to be on the more intelligent/reasonable team. Just look at this post from an obvious JA supporter:

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# 420 | siti | March 12, 2006 05:26 PM

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# 421 | siti | March 12, 2006 05:27 PM

It's getting really tired...they just keep coming back w/ the same attack. Funny thing is, they continue to just blurt out nasty name calling @ Angelina...where's the justification? She's a slut because...?

Obviously just another scourned JA fan...get a clue & get a life!

#422, lylian @ 10:10pm--

Only in America could a great post like yours follow the two just before it. Free Speech, I guess. (Yours was definitely the more thoughtful of the three!)

Regarding the choice that sometimes must be made between the Love of Your Life and the Good Enough Mate, I think maturity could be the deciding factor when there are children involved, but if not--how do you know that the Good Enough Mate would choose to have you stay under such circumstances? What happened in your case...did you keep it from him? I will say this...most likely if he is a good man, you will rediscover him again when you are older, and realize he was the Love of Your Life after all.

I think BAMZ followers like you and me have common traits. We are living our fantasy lives through them-- cheering them on to go for it and take the risks we fear taking ourselves. Or maybe we are just hopeless romantics, and they are beautiful, and we want them to make it and be happy.

ADdictedtoBAMZ+1, I saw 420 and 421 and hope Jared will remove them. But beyond noting them, noting my irritation, I'd prefer to move on. This is the challenge isnt it? A bit like meditation. Thoughts flit in and out of your head. You are supposed to note the thoughts and let it go and return to your meditation. In time, we'll reach tranquility.

Perhaps good enough mate will turn out one day to be love of my life. That is seriously a possibility and we have the potential. In any case, yes, despite our problems, he is a good good man. Loves me, loves his child, doing marvelous research in the field of medical research which could really make a difference to human lives. Also, and very importantly, he has always been proud to support me to be the best that I can be. He has at times even pushed me to try something I'm too scared to go for on my own. He's always been proud of the fact that I'm as successful as he is and if measured in monetary terms, been more successful then he has been. My husband and I both knew going into our marriage that we did not feel we were soul mates for each other but there was enough love and enough common goals for us to have a good marriage. But we also made this promise to each other - that we would, within the boundaries of our marriage, always encourage and allow the other to grow to be better then what we were. Sometimes, that has been a difficult promise to keep.

So when I read about how Brad is "whipped" and these comments are written by women, I feel sickened by the biases. In the M&MS Japanese interview, Angelina mentions how in the movie, Jane deliberately misses the shots in the carnival and how each of us sometimes diminishes ourselves in a relationship. She really resonated when she said that it's important that in a marital relationship, both parties are encouraged to work at being the best that they can be. How very true and its especially true for women. I used to work in a law firm. Most of the male associates and partners were married, very often to their secretaries, teachers etc. Far fewer female associates and partners were married. As one of the male partners said to me - its just too much trouble to marry a smart successful woman.

#425, lylian@ 10:30--
I believe I speak for women everywhere who, like me, let (we thought) Good Enough Mate go for the likes of (we thought) Love of My Life, only to learn too late it was the other way around. Cannot tell how old you are, but if you are late 30's, early 40's, it is the typical time in your life where you might question your choices, have some regrets...but stick with this man. He sounds wonderful. Good luck.

Lylian, to add to your #425-- I have noticed many smart men with dumb women but I have never noticed smart women with dumb men.

Now to add to your comment on midl-life Addicted. Coming into midlife means coming into a new layer of consciousness. It’s just there in the math. Forty years old compared to a life expectance of seventy to eighty means you’ve probably lived more than half your life. Was it the life you wanted to live? Do you want to keep going this way? Do you want to make changes? Turning 40 makes people want to come to grips with their story of their life. It makes a person want to take responsibility for his or her choices. For many of us, and I certainly speak for myself, this is not always an easy or pleasant task. But it is simply part of life.

Part of maturing as a midlife single is knowing which questions to ask yourself.

"Thoroughly unprepared, we take the step into the afternoon of life; worse still, we take this step with the false assumption that our truths and ideals will serve us hitherto. But we cannot live the afternoon of life according to the program of life's morning; for what was great in the morning will be little at evening, and what in the morning was true will at evening have become a lie." - Carl Jung

I think we all want to be with someone who looks at us with their heart and therefore encourages us to be who you see reflected in their eyes. Jennifer seems to be a spectator to life while angie is part of the parade of life . One cannot blame Brad for wanting a life with purpose and meaning.

#427, Elena--
Great message. Thank you. Hope lylian finds her way back and is able to read it. I so agree about Brad. I really think for many of us our fascination with him developed because we realized he wasn't just looking for another pretty face. He'll have no regrets when he gets to "evening", right?