Katie Holmes is Scientologist

First!!

I can't get over how retarded Katie looks nowadays...

I think TomCruise is really getting nuts. I don't know anything about Scientology but it seem driving T.C crazy.

One of these days when Katie matures and understands the world and people better she's going to realize how manipulated she's become. She's still young and impressionable, especially by someone she loves, which I believe is the case. She's going to get hurt but she'll survive. Mark my words.

She looks good and huge! Hope everything is ok with her. She's probably late and taking this shopping trips as a exercise to induce labor.
Give her a break! Would be too much to ask?

I can't get over of how retarded most posts here are...

I can't believe how judgemental the world has become. I love Brad and Angelina, and it pisses me of when they get criticized unnecessarily, that is why I will not do the same to Tom and Katie. To each his/her own. Live and let live

That girl is going to pop soon. I feel for her. I was huge too when I was pregnant and if she is small bone like I am it is really hard on the hips and joints. She will lose the weight easy. It is the most amazing thing, how fast you lose weight after you have a baby no matter how big you are if you take care of yourself after the birth it will slide right off. Breastfeeding helps tremendously also. Helps the uterus contract and shrink.

TC is a controlling PR-conscious lunatic; this girl's family should grab
her before the baby is born and hide her from this man. He is
insane.

Doesn't this poor girl have any friends? She's always with her security gaurds.

did anyone else find that primetime piece weired? even his denials of many of the things were just not convincing, he was trying to laugh too had about everything to make it seem like nothing...but there was just a weired vibe from it. I don't think he was truthful at all but hey time will tell

She gave up Christ for this crap? Oh boy!

be totally frank - how many pounds has she gained? it looks like TomKat are expecting twins, let alone triplets.

she looks healthy, its crystal clear, healthier than Angelina Jolie, but she used to be so tiny as a woman. it would be hard for her to lose all this weight, and dont say it wouldnt.

whats more, i dont know why but i believe Tom that hes mesmerized with her smile etc. shes such a lovely girl, no matter how much she weight.

they deserve happiness even as a freak scientologists, its none of our buissnes

That primetime piece was PRICELESS. TC is SO GAY it is not funny. Anyone who believed him is just as nuts as he is!!! His laugh was fake.. oh and I LOVED the blackberry.. look look she really likes me shi%! What an ass. He was so quite about his Scientology because Diane Sawyer read the book. His passion about MI3 was more believeablethan his love for his paid baby maker. She is going to have (or had) twins...
BP and AJ are the real deal.. these two are a PR's dream gone bad. That is why people can't believe him.. plus, TC is DANGEROUS by using the media outlet to spread his CULT crap. He is getting all the negative press he deserves. KHTC GO AWAY!!!!!!!!!!

A religion based on a scifi-novel - how on earth can he seriously say or honestly believe that? I'm sure it's all the brainwash, they can make you believe in yodeling cats and flying cows as well. The next time we get a new religion maybe it's based on "Harry Potter".

Just in time! TomKat Bobbleheads on eBay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6272004982

BTW, L. Ron Hubbard was a douchebag.

Rox and Mary.. you two must be on TC payroll or something. This guy is a NUT!!! TC problem is not us it is his mouth. If he going to lie.. well than he will be called on it! NOBODY BELIEVES HIM and he can't seem to get it. His laugh was fake.. his look was fake.. he is not a good DRAMATIC actor.. that is why he is an action hero. Maybe if he was hanging from a train I would have believes his interview more. LOSER TC WE KNOW YOU ARE GAY!!! I feel bad for KH family. For her to drop them that quickly.. she is as shallow and as big a loser as TC. Looks like KH has some depression no.. never smiling and being tracked by her cult I mean her body guards.. I can't wait to see this play out!!!

The right-hand pic of KH above says it all: She's sold herself to this
douchebag for expensive shoes and toys. No wonder she looks so
depressed.

hey, does her bump on the seventh and tenth photos look weird to any woman out there who's been pregnant...?

i think that just her top alice. i agree with #6+7, if you don't like the idea of them they why read about them, i bet things would totally change if you met them.

I'd probably dislike them more if I met them. We don't have to "leave them alone" because they are the ones using the media to shove this crap down our throats. All of these staged shopping trips--puh-lease.

No one should question why anyone posts on any messageboard if they too are posting. That's what these things are for. The people who truly don't care, don't bother posting. I find the TomKat scam to be like a car crash, it's awful but I have to look and I'll keep posting about them as long as they keep their little charade going because it makes me laugh.

ok, i was just saying lol. anyway i suppose your right in a way :)

I bet she's shoe shopping all the time because her feet have grown during pregnancy. Mine did as well. Great excuse for new shoes but if she's not careful she's gonna give birth in one of those shoe stores.

She's buying tons of shoes because of these 2 more weeks of pregnancy?

I dont know why everyone making a big deal about her choosing to change her religion people do it all the time from being a catholic to convert to being Jewish it is exactly the same thing no matter what religion it is.dont be so judgemental leave everyone to make their decisions they are ADULTS leave them ALONE.

Well, Scientology actually is more cult than a religion. One, that denies many medical achievements - just think about the psychopath who's killed his own mother because she was told by Scientology not to allow her son any kind of psychotherapy. This is dangerous!

Well, Scientology actually is more cult than a religion. One, that denies many medical achievements - just think about the psychopath who's killed his own mother because she was told by Scientology not to allow her son any kind of psychotherapy. This is dangerous!

First of all JBL.. it is not a religion. Didn't even TC say you can be Jewish and a sciencult person at the same time? How can that be a religion than?
I will say what I want. You don't like it than why read the threads?
I have more formal education than TC does. Watching TC you would think he degreed in something in the medical field.. the guy JUST MADE it through HS.
Sciencultogy is as much real as Lord of the Rings was.
Tom Crusie is GAY and is trying to mask it. Using Scientology was a stupid mistake because now everyone is really on him. Isn't Nicole Kidmans dad a shrink? He is a LOSER LOSER LOSER LOSER... Katie is as well... anyone that would give their baby to the cult for a week after birth deserves ever misery she is feeling now. You know who is laughing... her ex Chris.
# 25.. people are passionate about this because TC is an idiot spreading dangerous views. God help anyone who believs this moron and stops their meds. I hope they come looking for TC before they could potentional hurt themselves or someone in their own families.

I saw it. I heard it. He was lying. Don't know if anyone else could tell but he lied to Diane on about half of the questions she asked him. Its a body thing he does when he's lying. For example, the thing about her dad? Lie. Did you notice that he didn't answer the "how did katie get pregnant question?" We all know he shoots blanks, seriously. He might as well admit it. I don't even think he's gay. I think he is sad and desperate and until Scientology was lost. Sorta like the alcoholic who finds AA.

#24 If your feet grow during pregnancy, they don't shrink back to their original size once the baby is born.

She's more like a Shoptologist! Everytime a see a picture of Katie Holmes she's thisclose to a purchase.

jpf

hey minx and agnieszka what the fuck are you doing here !!!!and why you put your shits her !!!! stay in your weird planet with your freakin people bomz bamz or whatever the fuck it is !!! don't be suprised when you gonna see haters now in your alien world bitches!!!!!! you are the real haters!!! enless tom is a man not a pufyy or a litlle dog like brad i don't care in what he beleivesif he's a muslum or jewish or in buda like your dump ass of brad!!! it call freedom everybody is free to bleive in what he wants and we have to respects the diferents confessions ! and he's not so insane as your freakin lesbiena bisexula darknissa of whichlina just care about your self and give advices for your adams family !!!!!!

# 29 | So Not True | April 15, 2006 03:14 PM

I'm not by any means a TC fan, and to be honest I've only ever liked one movie of his "The Firm". That aside, I do have to ask you about your post.

You state the man lied in his interview about this and that, but you've offered no proof of how you know this, what the real truth is, and what that's based on.

How do you know he "shoots blanks?"

How do you know that her fathers feelings haven't changed? I do recall reading that both TC's & KH's mothers attended her baby shower "together."

jpf

jpf

# 32 | can't beleive this! | April 15, 2006 04:04 PM

Is that really necessary? And also, you can be just as vile and childish in lower case as you are in UPPER. No need to scream "profanity is profanity and idiocy is still idiocy loud or low."

jpf

don't tell me to loud or low im free to do what i want to do!! you got that ! if you don't like it got the fuck out here and stay whit your aliens!! i think now i begin to understand jen fan's your just an addicted people whitout life!! and whitout personalty wasting your time to fight and hate others people better than you and your freaks actors!

Wow, she use to be much more attractive. What hapepned to her. She is disgusting now.

What, she comes out as a Scientologist, probably pisses off her catholi parents, and becomes 1000 times less attractive than she usually is? Wow...

My Blog - Gossip

She's already had the baby(babies). What 9+ mos. pregnant woman wears tight jeans zipped up all the way?

Free Katie!

Katie is 26 years old, she is not some naive teenager. I don't feel sorry for her at all. She knows what she's doing. She has tom's millions to spend and I think she's probably obsessed with him. I read that her wish was to marry him when she was a teen. Well her wish is coming true.

I don't think they did the "deed" if you know what i mean. I think Tom is asexual. He doesn't like getting it on with anyone.

Katie is 26 years old, she is not some naive teenager. I don't feel sorry for her at all. She knows what she's doing. She has tom's millions to spend and I think she's probably obsessed with him. I read that her wish was to marry him when she was a teen. Well her wish is coming true.

I don't think they did the "deed" if you know what i mean. I think Tom is asexual. He doesn't like getting it on with anyone.

"SO NOT TRUE" i agree with ORIGINAL JPF!!!!!
i got a question for you : why all this hate ? you hate "brad pitt now tom cruise "what did they done to you ! why are you jealous sweetie it's not so serious you know they are just celebrities! we don't care ! just have fun in your life and care about the people that you love and you too "WHATTHEF" i know that you are good inside stop wasting your time for hate PEACE

# 35 | can't beleive this!i | April 15, 2006 04:18 PM

You might want to re-read my post. Nowhere did I "tell" you what to do. I asked a question, and I offered an opinion but I did not tell you what to do.

jpf

It is funny when people get uppity about their celebrity gossip.

# 42 | Derek Hail | April 15, 2006 05:14 PM

Isn't though?

jpf

Katie Holmes, poor thing. I must admit she really looks pregnant here for a change, not to say I believe she is, just looks it

Well, I hope she enjoys all that shopping because she sold herself to
The Tiny Douchebag in exchange for a platinum credit card.

I like BP and AJ.. what do they have to do with a KH thread? The difference is TC is a LIAR and a fake. He wants OUR money based on his lies!! He spreads a dangerous messages when he goes on FREE TV to spew his CULT VIEWS!!! I never had PP after my kids but what if someone does. It is hard enough to have kids but to deal with PP at the same time. He is an idiot. I bet money they say KH has PP and TC says vitamins worked for her just to keep his lies going. I have my own feelings about medication and children. HOWEVER I WOULD NEVER go on TV and tell someone they are GLIB because a FAKE OUTER SPACE author said so. Lets ask TC how much money he has given the COS? Hmmmm the more you give the higher you get. He is a crazy man that just buys everything he wants.. his CULT STATUS.. his fake baby and girlfriend...This guy had a MAJOR problem as a child and now money can just mask it for him. He is no better than Michael Jackson in the sense of reality.Paying YES MEN AROUND YOU can go to your head don't you think? FACE IT.. he is running from being GAY and talking out his A^&. The guy is A LOSER!!! My heart is filled with LOVEthank you. However these CELEBS think they can do or say whateverthey want. NOT ANYMORE. Thanks to these blogs and the internet..TC can't keep his lies straight. Oh, BRad and Angie arethe real deal.. please don't even compare the two. BPAJ are living their lives..They don't need to do an interview ever other month... TC keeps going on TV to prove he loves KATE.. hence why no one believes him. His PR team has jumped ship.. TC is OVER!!!!!!

ahh!! poor kid. last year she was celebratin' easter...This year shes giving "silent birth". i dont get that. the bay can recognize voices while its in her tummy, wtf is the differece?
FREE KATIE!!!we should start a petition...

Someone shoot it now before it's too late.

I dont know which is funnier...TC on Diane Sawyer last night or the "#33/#34" bitches showdown. Pathetically hilarious....please...continue

I dont know which is funnier...TC on Diane Sawyer last night or the "#33/#34"sl*ts showdown. Pathetically hilarious....please...continue

# 50 | :)

i find the screaming lunatic at #32 an #35 funny. please do carry on with your tantrum, it's very entertaining.

"WHATHEF" what is your fuckin problem?why are so so so so obsessed by tom cruise do you know him personly ? DID HE HURT YOU OR BEAT YOU ( i hope so!) tom cruise is the most talented and powerful actor on the planet if you like it or not !! he's the number 11111 on the earth ! he's rich famous and doesn't give a fuck of you hahaaaahaa you are so ridiclous!!! and he's free to beleive in what he wants even on stones or papers..... anyway I HOPE THAT MI3 GONNA KICK THIS SUMMER AS HIS USUAL"MOVIES" AND KICK YOUR ASS SO HARD!!! FREAKIN THINK WHITOUT REAL LIFE !!! TC FOREVER!!!!

oh wait, we have a competitor to #32 in #52. woah. are all of tom cruise's fans this insane?

Oh no here comes the ORIGINAL JPF.. this one thinks she is holier than thou on the BPAJ threads. Grow up JPF. Stop playing the other side just to be annoying. Last I checked there was a new up dated picture of BP peeing in the African bushes.. can't wait to read your insight on that one. GO AWAY.
You must be really sad in your life if you believe everything someone says. Hey I heard the Brooklyn Bridge was for sale.. send me a check.
If you can't see TC is full of shi% well than I hope you invest your money in him. If you think his cult views are great well than I hope you never live next to someone that needs meds but uses vitimins because of his cult beliefs..I hope your kids never go to school with kids that have REAL MEDICAL problems but are being treated by Vitamin D and putting others at risk.. I hope you never know a women with PP that hurts herself..her baby or someone else because of his BULLSHI$!! When an LOSER ACTOR tries to press his STUPID views on me well than that is when I come out swinging. You want to talk like an ass well than he is going to get the BACKLASH from people with REAL OPINIONS and KNOWLEDGE ON subjects this ass pays some author to tell him.
The day BP comes out and says cast don't work for broken bones than I will have a problem, however BP does not need to convince anybody of anything TC does!!!! He needs a SHRINK!!!!! Thatis probably why he is so anti them.

and how about this insane of "whathef"??????

# 50 | :) | April 15, 2006 06:06 PM |

I don't know you from a pile of rocks, nor you me but nevertheless, I don't appreciate being called out of my "posting name." I don't make a habit of disrespecting anyone no matter how much I may disagree with them. This isn't Perez Hilton, or TheSuperficial, or any other sight where being nasty as you wanna be is not the exception but the rule so please don't make the assumption that you get to call me a name and I'll go you one better.

jpf

i couldn't care less about TC the actor, but i agree that TC should not be talking and pushing something he knows nothing about. that is what i don't like. as if knowing the "history" of psychiatry is going to help know everything there is to know about it. idiot. scientology is so f*cked up and people should educate themselves in it. it used to say in their "book" that basically they can kill an enemy but i think that got too much for them so they changed it a bit. people who call scientology a religion is nuts. it's a cult that is all about getting $$. he goes on and on about how it helps yet what about those people who end up killing people because they were on just vitamins? or what about that mother who killed her kids because of PP? people should try not to be so ignorant just because TC is a celebrity or something stupid like that. learn what scientology is.

# 52 Scientology has given laptops to some members and told them
Tom is getting reamed out on the celebrity blogs, and that they
must defend him.

Hey ISA.. you must be on his payroll huh? The most powerful... talented..1111 actor on the planet? Maybe the planet he lives on. Which one is that they Scientologist say? You MUST be one of them too right? I am laughing so hard I can't even respond to you.
Tom Cruise is a liar and a fraud... he does not care what we think? I am sorry how many interviews has he done to CONVINCE us he is not gay and in love? Lady get a clue! I don't even know whta to say to you.. you are to far gone to help, I just hope you have family that can help you more than KH does. You must be one of those who needs meds but is taking vitamins right? See people... this is a bi-product of his cult. Hope you don't live on my side of the world.
I hope MI3 does AWESOME. Than he can pay to be the GRAND PUBA of his cult and walk around like Darth Vador. Please all go see it than, just for that!!!!!PRICELESS

" YOU AGAIN " why are you blaming ORIGINAL JPF who do you think you are? just because she likes the firm she needs to grow! and you need to shut up ! and go away !! and darlin tc is defently not a looser sorry he's the number one and everybody know that !!!

I didn't see the interview (I'd rather have root canal) but is it
true he wouldn't back down about criticizing Brooke Shields for
taking anti-depressives? That he made no apologies?

What if KH has very severe post-partum depression? There is
a type that is actually post-partum psychosis, where women
basically lose touch with reality and often commit suicide. Will he
treat it with vitamins and exercise? Prick.

I agree with you guys, he seems to lost his mind. I feel it for Katie because I don't think she knew what she was getting into but then at the same time I don't because she ain't stupid she can leave if she wants.

I don't know much about Scientology but I heard that Michael Douglas and Catherine Zeta Jones are too and I don't see them this damn crazy.

Milou.. I agree with you about Orig. JPF. I see her comments on BP thread and she is a really nice gal.
However on TC, you are WAY off on that one. He is a looney and I would love to take a pole on him being #1. The problem with the lastfew fans is thatyou can't see past his acting roles and see the real CRAZY he is. What has he done in the "REAL WORLD" except act looney and insult anyone who disagrees with his cult? Hmmmm... nothing darling.
He forces his fake relationship down our throats to prove he is not gay. Can we say overacting??? Please tell me you really don't think people think he is #1? You are VERY SADLY MISTAKEN!!! He is a train wreck!!

Since her pregnancy, I guess some of the weight gain has gone to her face a little bit, not very much. Why does Tom always like these girls that are taller than him? lol. No offense, Tom is such a phony with his fake-o laugh and everything. This Scientology crap is getting out of control. It's just a cult that tries to brainwash a lot of celebrities. It's wrong, too. I wish that any new celeb who is offered to go into this, please decline!!

so what "WHATTHEF" take it easy honey! im not a scientologist but i like the actor and his movies and don't care about his privite life!! he's not my husband or father and c'mon where is the probleme whit the scientologie it is not " a teroriste organisation" ! so.........

Katie, change those jeans. Ew. Take a cue from Angelina on how a
stylish PG woman looks. But I guess the difference is Angie's got
BRAD and Katie has....THAT.

He has to marry taller women because he's a munchkin.

is the probleme whit the scientologie it is not " a teroriste organisation" ! so.........

# 65 | marie

What is wrong with Scientology? Hun you need to go read what it is and then come back and say there is nothing wrong with it.

hey 65 why want you change katie into " A DARKNESS WHICH!!' she look pretty like that and she put A DIFERENTS COLOURS !!!! she's not black and gray AND SHE GOT THE MONEY OF HER "MAN"!!she got one!!

sorry!! imean "66"

From Wikipedia:

"The religious bona fides of Scientology have been repeatedly questioned. Hubbard was accused of adopting a religious façade for Scientology to allow the organization to maintain tax-exempt status and to avoid prosecution for false medical claims. These accusations continue to the present day, bolstered by numerous accounts from Hubbard's fellow science-fiction authors and researchers, the most notable being Harlan Ellison, Neison Himmel, Sam Merwin, Sam Moskowitz, Theodore Sturgeon, and Lloyd Arthur Eshbach, who reported to have witnessed Hubbard stating on various occasions that the way to get rich was to start a religion."

"Hubbard detailed his rules for attacking critics in a number of policy letters, including one often quoted by critics as "the Fair Game policy." This allowed that those who had been declared enemies of the Church, called "suppressive persons" or simply "SP," "May be deprived of property or injured by any means... May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."

Fair game sounds like fun!!! Not.

More Scientology goodness from Wikipedia: (just because there have been a few postings saying they don't know much about it.)

"Over the years, the Church of Scientology has been accused of culpability in the death of several of its members.

The most widely publicized such case involved the 1995 death of 36-year-old Lisa McPherson, while in the care of scientologists at the Scientology-owned Fort Harrison Hotel, in Clearwater, Florida. Having experienced symptoms usually associated with mental illness (such as removing all of her clothes at the scene of a minor traffic accident), the Church intervened to prevent McPherson from receiving psychiatric treatment, and to return her to the custody of the Church of Scientology. Records show that she was then placed in isolation as part of a Scientology program known as the Introspection Rundown. Days later, she was pronounced dead on arrival at a local hospital, exhibiting signs of severe dehydration.

Criminal charges were filed against the Church of Scientology by Florida authorities. The Church of Scientology denied any responsibility for McPherson's death and they vigorously contested the charges; the prosecuting attorneys ultimately dropped the criminal case. After four years, a $100 million civil lawsuit filed by Lisa McPherson's family was settled in 2004. The terms of the settlement were sealed by the court.
"

but when they say we can be catholic and scientologist or jewish and scientologist it means they are not enemies .what do you think?

I swear this all started when Kidman won her Oscar--I'm sure
that just drove TC crazy. He tried a few Oscar-bait movies like
Last Samurai (ROFLMAO) and Collateral (loved that one--Tom
Cruise as a gray-haired buzz-cut hit man PIPSQUEAK). When
those didn't get him nomination he went berserk and all the
couch-jumping started.

Scientology defines "enemies" very, very broadly and once it does so you are in BIG trouble.

From Wikipedia: "Scientology is reputed for its hostile actions towards anyone that criticizes it in a public forum; church executives have proclaimed that it is "not a turn-the-other-cheek religion." Journalists, politicians, former Scientologists and various anti-cult groups have made accusations of wrongdoing against Scientology since the 1960s, and almost without exception these critics have been targeted for retaliation by Scientology, in the form of lawsuits and public counter-accusations of personal wrongdoing. Many of Scientology's critics have also reported they were subject to threats and harassment in their private life."

Perhaps there is a way to combine it with other religions but realistically:

From Wikipedia: "The Church of Scientology is frequently accused by critics of employing brainwashing and intimidation tactics to influence "public" members to donate large amounts of money, and to force "staff" and "Sea Org" members to submit completely to the organization. Time magazine published a cover story in 1991, "The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power", that supported such charges. (The Church of Scientology launched an extensive campaign in response to the article, asserting that Time was going after Scientology at the behest of their advertiser Eli Lilly, the manufacturer of psychiatric drugs.)"

Marie.. yes I too liked TC before he started pushing his crazy views on the public... just shut up and read the script and keep making money dumb A$%.
I really believe he has surrounded himself with yes men for so long that he actually thinks people agree with him.
Calling Matt Lauer GLIB? FU TOM!! How the hell does TC know who or what ML has been through with PP? TC really thought his CELEB status would let him say what he wanted. Maybe he should wake up and see his day has passed.
His movements and his laugh showed in his interview just how pompas he really is.
#71thanks for the insight into the cult.
Do you think a hospital is really close to Barneys and she is hoping to be rushed there when her water breaks?Maybe that is why she is always shopping there? TC can't drag her out of a hospital can he? Can he?
Always looking at shoes.. maybe it is aa sos from her telling the public she is looking to RUN AWAY.. very far away.. LOL!!!

you are probably right about it but it was't tc mistake he's not responsible about the death of those members he was naive and vulnerable at this time his father beat him and his family's members also he has a lot of difficulty's at the school well he was a perfect TRAGET for theme he was searching for a father and kind of lost they real catch him and i think his first wife mimi rogers was scientologiste it by her that tom became scientologist

i think he don't have to talk a lot about the scientologie or his privite life just about his movies it would correct

sorry i forget BE "it would be good " . im french so....

Ok, back to the interview. Obviously the guy is messed up
because of his father. Who knows what kinda shit he did. He
didn't really answer the hitting/abuse question Diane asked. Also,
I don't think (i may be wrong) anyone addressed the drugs
during labor thing. It would be OK to give Katie "whatever she
needed' during labor. Who is he to say Brooke didn't need the
Paxil?
He was so unconvincing last night- it was sickening.
i have actually heard that he himself was raised Catholic and had
thought about going into the priesthood-anyone else hear that???

check out imdb.com and Tom Cruise bio- a seminary student- WHAT
HAPPENED

Don't laugh! My feet went back to their old size. My body didn't!!!

Does anyone else notice that she's kinda looking like Tom now. or is it just me? LoL

Katie reminds me of a teenager who just loves her "Grown" boy-man-friend so much that she can't live without him. She would leave her family for him, have his baby, clean his house, do anything because he LOVES her too-The only difference is most teenagers don't shack up with millionaires so eventually they have to run back to mommy, baby and all-I like TC, He needs to be more private, I think Katie is cute, but then again I stick to my analysis of her "Lovesick Teenager" state of mind.

II heard that L.Ron Hubbard once said that the way to make yourself a millionaire is to invent a religion, and that's why he turned from writing books to making a sci-fi fantasy religion, and people in Hollywood who have a hard time knowing what is real and what is fake fell for it. Is that really true?

II heard that L.Ron Hubbard once said that the way to make yourself a millionaire is to invent a religion, and that's why he turned from writing books to making a sci-fi fantasy religion, and people in Hollywood who have a hard time knowing what is real and what is fake fell for it. Is that really true?
# 85 | movie fan

From what I know it has been recounted by several famous people who have heard him say it themselves. It was even in one copy of the reader's digest. In fact, I took constitutional law once and let me tell you if you can create your own religion, that is a good way to make money. There was a true incident once where this guy for years had a religion and one of the main portions of his "religion" was based on drinking and everytime he bought beer he was tax-exempted. In that way it can be quite funny.

oh i forgot to say the funniest part of the true story. it was a one person religion, as he was the only one in it.

ok, can someone tell me how the hell she gets those jeans to always button and zip up all the way with no stretch???...anyone wanna take bets that TomKat have there baby on Easter Sunday???...Now that would be FREAKY!!!

Choose the best, wisely invest.. spend it, yeah spend it like no tomorrow.. you have less than ten years to make your retirement, should you marry him..

Up until this week, I really despised Tom Cruise for all of his shenanigans and the control he exerts over Katie and everyone else around him. But now I just feel sorry for him. It's obvious he was looking for answers in life and somehow thought he found them with Scientology. Cults survive by eliminating one's ability to think freely--all thoughts are subject to judgment by the leaders of the cult. Also, the sheer isolation of the people in Scientology from any information outside of itself (isolation again) produces a complete lack of understanding when it comes to real life. Combine that with immense stardom and fame and you have the makings of a bizarre alternate universe and a person who has no coping skills for the problems he experienced as a child (and is most likely still suffering from today). He thinks he's an important, knowledgeable person because that's what he is in Scientology. It's sad to me that someone could be so lost at some point that they latch onto something so destructive. Obviously he was looking for something deeper in life if he considered becoming a priest. As for Tom and Katie, I don't know what to believe anymore. Maybe they are in love and she's really pregnant, or maybe the opposite is true. I don't really care. I sincerely hope and pray that someday they will encounter people who really care for them and can help them out of the cult of Scientology. I guess I'm tired of trashing him. He just seems like a person who has really been hurt over some things and he's trying to cover all of that up with his knowledge of "the facts." It's too bad.

#90 I`m with you. You always hear that Katie was raised catholic, but so was Tom. He even considered to become a priest. He seems to be a spiritual person. And then Mimi introduced him to scientology. How much has he given money to them during the years? To the church of scientology it would be big loss he would leave the church, so they are making sure it`s not going to happen. I have for some time considered he is a victim too.

so all this is about scientology? all the criticism? all the backlash? all the anger? all the jokes? over some damn religion? COME ON! i was always under the impression the united states was about being yourself. living your life free of oppresion. free of disapproval. tom cruise has that right, just like everyone e lse. katie holmes has that right. it is not the american public's place to judge what works for others. they are not asking for permission.

#88 Ultra low waist jeans. Worked for me.

Here's an interesting webiste for anyone wanting to read up on Scientology: www.xenu.net . My all time favorite LRH quote is: "THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN CONTROL PEOPLE IS TO LIE TO THEM. You can write that down in your book in great big letters. The only way you can control anybody is to lie to them."

- L. Ron Hubbard, "Off the Time Track," lecture of June 1952, excerpted in JOURNAL OF SCIENTOLOGY issue 18-G, reprinted in TECHNICAL VOLUMES OF DIANETICS & SCIENTOLOGY, vol. 1, p. 418

I live in Scandinavia and missed the Diane Sawyer interview. Does anyone know if I can view it on the web somewhere?

Here's another of my favorite LRH quotes. Obviously it is impossible to be a Christian/Catholic AND a Scientologist.

"For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure (he) has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred.... You have only to look at the history his teachings inspired to see where it all inevitably leads. It is historic fact and yet man still clings to the ideal, so deep and insidious is the biologic implanting....
No doubt you are familiar with the Revelations section of the Bible where various events are predicted. Also mentioned is a brief period of time in which the arch-enemy of Christ, referred to as the anti-Christ, will reign and his opinions will have sway ... this anti-Christ represents the forces of Lucifer (literally, the "light-bearer" or "light-bringer"), Lucifer being a mythical representation of the forces of enlightenment.... My mission could be said to fulfill the Biblical promise represented by this brief anti-Christ period. "

-- L. Ron Hubbard, Student Briefing, OT VIII Series I

Happy Easter Everyone!!!

She gave birth already, anybody can spot that in those photos. Look at the tight top she has on under that white flary thing, she's hiding erngorged, leaky breasts and is wearing breast pads. Remember the whole "I'm a virgin" crap?? The later weeks of pregnancy have to be staged for everyone to believe their whole 'no sex before marriage crap. That belly is fake. TC is a twit!

This girl is so lost. She looks sad.. dazed and confused. I wonder if these so called "Vitamins" are not actual drugs given to subdue people, brainwash them.. and than they are in the cult?
Katie RUN... where is your family? How much are all you people getting paid? Someone please help this lost girl.

#94 you can see at least portions of the interview (I didn't watch it so I don't know if it's the whole thing) on the abc website.

Question: I totally think TC is gay, but I can't figure out if he knows it or not. I mean, does he have a bunch of gay lovers on the side, or is he totally in denial about it? I've heard that Scientology has a gay detox program where you train yourself not to be homosexual. If all this is consciously staged, its really annoying, but if he really believes this image he's trying to project then he is COMPLETELY crazy!

jesusjuice, I tend to think The Tiny Douchebag is gay but went
through the detox program, thus his thankfulness to Scientology.
He may never have had much of a gay life, so there aren't
"pictures" to blackmail him--and that's why he can speak with
confidence when he denies it. But that guy is gay, gay, gay.
Closeted, but gay.

so all this is about scientology? all the criticism? all the backlash? all the anger? all the jokes? over some damn religion? COME ON! i was always under the impression the united states was about being yourself. living your life free of oppresion. free of disapproval. tom cruise has that right, just like everyone e lse. katie holmes has that right. it is not the american public's place to judge what works for others. they are not asking for permission.

# 92 | Natalie

Natalie

It's not just about someone's choice in what he chooses to believe in as no one here is criticizing John Travolta in being a scientologist. The fact of the matter is, Cruise has come out and tried to sway the public that vitamins is the way to go and psychiatry is evil. He has pushed scientology on to the public and the public needs to know what scientology is. Cruise has said in big bold terms the wonders of scientology...yeah right. But the public has to know the truth. That is what this is about.

Also celebrities will be criticized because they put themselves out there. This is nothing new so don't act huffy about it.

it is not the american public's place to judge what works for others. they are not asking for permission. # 92 | Natalie

Are you sure about that? When that horrible incident happened at Wako, Texas, you don't think anyone said anything about it? Even though it was their choice to participate. It was the mother's choice for their children to participate. The mormon's practice of polygamy you don't think anyone talk about it? People also have a right to free speech. This is a cult not a religion.

So everyone who defends TC or like him is a scientologist, gimme a break. Its been fun reading people bitching back and forth like they have a personal stake in TC's life or something. Or he kicked their dogs. I actually see why some dislike him but I think the hate has gone waaay over the top. I still like him despite some of his views that I disagree with.

Believe it or not, he still has fans so instead of negating their opnions by throwing out the scientology card, which is stupid. Just debate the facts instead of cussing out posters for their views. This can extend to both sides I guess.

And everyone can shout till the cows come home, you dont know for a fact that he is gay. Maybe there's nothing to blackmail him with because he hasnt done anything to begin with. And he can be gay, straight, bi, whatever, I like him as an actor, his personal life doesnt change a thing for me.

PS: Cruise is a bigger star then Travolta, everything Tom says gets more weight and is beamed everywhere. John has said basically everything that Tom has said, they believed in the same things. So to criticize one person and not the other is hypocritical and biased.

Based on some posts i have read Ì would send some anti-tom people to the same hospital with him....All that Tom bashing is losing it`s effect. It isn`t fun anymore. I have read the same stuff recycled over and over again and it`s getting boring. More and more people are just starting feel sorry for him.

#96- I hope she really is hiding engorgement and breastfeeding like you speculate. I read that Scientologists follow LRH advice to NOT breastfeed but to make some homemade formula because it is healthier (so much for science huh??) Also, w/ the tradition of mother-baby separation, she can't breastfeed very well for sure! I hope she does ( or did) have a peaceful quiet birth(nothing wrong with that!) and bonds with her new baby. I hope that the media just makes it sound truly more insane than it really is. here's hoping.

PS: Cruise is a bigger star then Travolta, everything Tom says gets more weight and is beamed everywhere. John has said basically everything that Tom has said, they believed in the same things. So to criticize one person and not the other is hypocritical and biased.

FYI: This is a Katie Holmes and thus Tom Cruise related post. If there is a picture of Travolta, I'm sure people will be happy to criticise him too.

How long has he said he wants Katie as his wife now? If he really wanted to be married to her, it would be done.

Oh come on with the fake bump! she did not have a baby
already. Her boobs don't look engorged and I can't see breast
pads anywear. even is she was wearing pads, women's breasts
due leak and get bigger BEFORE they give birth. What women
would go out knowing her every move would be scrutinized and
have a fake baby bump. She's seems to be 'stretching' in some
photos (sitting in shoe dept). Wouldn't the fake bump shift???
STOP with the fake bump. She looks like an exhausted women
ready to pop-give her a break.

Katie, to Tom, to the tune "Tiny Dancer"--

Hold me closer, Tiny Douchebag
Count the hustlers on the highway
Lay me down in sheets of money
You've been a busy gay today....

she looks like the unhealthiest pregnant woman I've ever seen!And she looks mentally ill too...

It is soooo laughable. Do they really think we are so stupid as to believe her ever-morphing pillow tummy?!?!?!?!?!

Now, she's always had that scieno nasty looking smile. Poor Katie. Poor poor poor Katie.

ok, how is she trying on shoes when her feet have GOT to be
swollen as fuck so close to giving birth...

also, she's looking at high heels. i thought she wasn't allowed to
be taller than tom.

She sure rocks those True Religions even though she's pregnant.

The poor wreck stands listly by with that dazed look on her face. It almost seems like she is under some very heavy sedative. Their is almost no aniamtion in any of her poses. I know pictures are not animated but there is no sense of action or motion. She's just planted there.

How many times is she going to go back to the same stores, only days apart, for shoes?

This is so staged and so stupid. They should have her constantly going to baby supply stores instead all of this senseless shoe shopping if they really want to give this charade at least an aura of reality.

I think Tom & Katie hired a surrogate mother to have their kids. I think it's going to be twins, which is why Katie has been going out in public recently so HUGE. ,Whenever the surrogate has the baby, the birth announcement will soon follow......

This whole TC & KH thing is the biggest acting job either of them has ever had. The role of THEIR LIVES is what they are playing.

So sad & PATHetic (ie- PATHOLOGIC).......

One day the truth will come out and set them free..........

# 38 | yeah | April 15, 2006 04:32 PM
I presume it referred to my post #4?
Well, what I meant is that I think K loves TC blindly and that makes her not see the real TC. I was her age not quite long ago and I fell for a man, were close to getting married and then suddenly he turned out to be a big time gambler. He had a good job one day and the next he lost all his money and got into huge debt and two years later he hasnt recovered yet. I was so in love that I didnt see for the real person he was.
Katie is going to wake up and face the truth one day. Unless all the money she can buy her shoes is worth it...

I think it's rediculous that she can't scream or make any noise during childbirth, or that they're not allowed to give her anything to take the edge off the pain. Yea, if it were Tom having the baby, it would be a different story. And Scientology isn't a religion it's something that someone made up

For all those who criticize Scientology.......brainwashing, deaths, etc...need to check their history. The same can be said about the catholic church.

For all those who criticize Scientology.......brainwashing, deaths, etc...need to check their history. The same can be said about the catholic church.

she looks like a beached whale, ther;e both soft as grapes

she looks like a beached whale, ther;e both soft as grapes

Tom Cruise is a fu**ing nut case! hes a kook.

#119 Shari-
Didn't you see the special with Diane Sawyer??? Katie is allowed to
scream or whatever-others around should respect her and be
quiet. Also, if she wants- she CAN get drugs- it's up to her. This
is what Tom Cruise statetd Friday night's special.

Mouth: thank you for saying that. yes, i do believe the same CAN be said about the catholic church. that's why i dont belong to ANY religion.

all these rumors about tom MAY be true. i dont know and i dont care. all I'm saying is, if you're going to apply a standard to one person, do it to everyone. if the father wasnt TC, would you people be saying it was a fake baby? no. she could be acting the same, and you wouldnt say anything. the truth is, every pregnancy is different, and just because one person experiences something someone else doesnt, doesnt mean that person is wearing a fake belly.

Some of these comments are retarded. Congratulations is the only thing that should be said to Tom and Katie. Katie looks unbelievably healthy - like she has actually eaten properly to look after her baby unlike some starlets. Funnily enough when you do put on that extra weight in pregnancy your face is going to look a little less polished. Congratulations Katie

KH's has had the most bizzare pregnancy I've ever seen. Her belly has taken on so many different shapes and sizes. How can her belly look bigger a month earliar than it does now? It's just really bizzare.

What is up with her in the last picture? She looks very weird. Look at her eyes! Creepy!

FYI part of advancing through Scientology levels means you go through your entire past history, every trauma you've ever faced, with one of the Scientology...um...priests, or whatever. Every single thing you say gets written down and documented. Imagine some of the things Tom may have talked about when he first got into Scientology--now they have it all in a file and all they have to do is wave the file around and threaten to expose it if Tom (or any other Scientologist) tries to leave the church. Maybe that's what they did to Katie--got her to share some of her dark secrets (before she sold her soul to Tom Cruise) then threaten to leak them to the world if she decided against Scientology. BTW why the hell aren't Katie's parents insisting on a Catholic baptism if their religion supposedly means so much to them? Did Tom buy them off too?

Cult Classic! KH is going to be dumped by him after 5 years for no panning out the way he expected her. She was suppose to "help" his image, not hurt it. Duh! Could it be because she's so much younger TC? Or, because you cannot be a Catholic and in cult like Scientology at the same time? hmmmm I feel sorry for the baby the purchased; that pour kid. TC is an adult, but a cult like this one is dangerous and other adults have been snagged by them. God help them.